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hi sandokhan

i can't participate in "flat earth believers," but i have a question about your last post there:

The author of Revelation 11:8 tells us that Christ was not crucified in Jerusalem.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. (Rev. 14:8 )

Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits (Rev. 17:9 )

The woman whom you saw is the great city, which reigns over the kings of the earth. (Rev. 17:18 )

Great city on seven hills - either Rome or Constantinopole (also built in seven hills - )

"Furthermore, the crucifixion did not even take place in Jerusalem! According to the book of Revelations, Jesus was crucified in Rome:

And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. (Revelations 11:8, KJV)

The Christians would probably argue that the “great city” refers to Jerusalem, yet the renowned Bible scholar John Gill disagrees

And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city,.... Not Jerusalem, which was destroyed when John had this vision, and which will not be rebuilt at the time it refers to; nor is it ever called the great city, though the city of the great King; however, not in this book, though the new Jerusalem is so called, Revelation 21:10; but that can never be designed here; but the city of Rome, or the Roman jurisdiction, the whole empire of the Romish antichrist, which is often called the great city in this book; see Revelation 16:19."

in jeremiah 22:1-8, the location of the house of the king of judah is referred to as a "great city," and its destruction is prophesied:

Jer 22:1  Thus saith the LORD; Go down to the house of the king of Judah, and speak there this word,
Jer 22:2  And say, Hear the word of the LORD, O king of Judah, that sittest upon the throne of David, thou, and thy servants, and thy people that enter in by these gates:
Jer 22:3  Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood in this place.
Jer 22:4  For if ye do this thing indeed, then shall there enter in by the gates of this house kings sitting upon the throne of David, riding in chariots and on horses, he, and his servants, and his people.
Jer 22:5  But if ye will not hear these words, I swear by myself, saith the LORD, that this house shall become a desolation.
Jer 22:6  For thus saith the LORD unto the king's house of Judah; Thou art Gilead unto me, and the head of Lebanon: yet surely I will make thee a wilderness, and cities which are not inhabited.
Jer 22:7  And I will prepare destroyers against thee, every one with his weapons: and they shall cut down thy choice cedars, and cast them into the fire.
Jer 22:8  And many nations shall pass by this city, and they shall say every man to his neighbour, Wherefore hath the LORD done thus unto this great city?

jerusalem is not named, but i can't see how anything other than the physical capital of judah is meant, which was jerusalem, where the house of the king of judah lived. the argument that jesus was crucified elsewhere seems to hinge on the idea that jerusalem was never referred to as a "great city," yet jeremiah seems to do so.

how does this affect the argument that jesus was not crucified there?

The Lounge / atomic cannon footage
« on: February 23, 2013, 02:58:58 PM »
#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">NUCLEAR CANNON

seen this thing?

how come they can have close up footage of the school bus and the willys overland being destroyed by the heat and shock, but the cameras seem to be unaffected?

the perspective on the trees and landscapes seem to be telephoto, but not the vehicles.

why aren't the cameras even jiggled?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / your own wisdom thread
« on: February 23, 2013, 11:01:33 AM »
post particularly insightful or representative quotes from FE conversations.

keep them short, because true wisdom is always concise.

all the flat earth models that i see have the north pole at the center of the disc.

has there ever been an alternative model in which the south pole is at the center, and an ice wall or something similar rings the outside limits of the disc within an arctic region, as opposed to an antarctic?

the antarctic would be mapped as a compact continent looking more or less identical to what i see in RET, but the northern land masses would be distorted around the portion of the disc closest to the edge.

how would a model like this be proven or disproven?

i'm trying to understand how the sun moves in the flat earth.

the FAQ shows the flat earth underneath an orbiting sun like this:

the sun travels in circles, orbiting the north pole at the geometric center, according to the diagram.

the small light yellow circle is the tropic of cancer, and on 21 june the sun will orbit there around 37,000 km, in 24 hours, with equal 12 hour periods of light and dark.

the big brown circle is the tropic of capricorn, and the total length of the sun's orbit there on 21 december will be around 79,000 km. and the sun also covers that distance in 24 hours, with equal 12 hour periods of light and dark.

what this means is that the sun travels in a much larger circle in december than it does in june, in the same 24 hours. about twice as far. so it must go twice as fast.

--  what makes it do that?

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