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Flat Earth General / Flatoberfest 2021
« on: August 29, 2021, 10:06:10 PM »
(Flat Earth Conference)
Magnolia Grand Event Centre
Spartanburg, SC

23 & 24 Octobre
(Saturday & Sunday)

Flat Earth General / Flatoberfest
« on: August 24, 2020, 12:14:07 AM »
Flatoberfest, a day long flat earth conference will be held in Greenville, SC on 24 Octobre 2020.

Flat Earth Information Repository / Flat Earthism in Columbusís Time
« on: July 26, 2019, 10:53:10 PM »
ĎBottom of the Universeí
By James J Allegro

Approximately 23 page learned treatise gives considerable evidence that flat earthism was alive and well in Western European scholarship at the time of Columbus, particularly in Catholic areas including Italy and Spain.

Zacaria Lilio, the rector of Saint John Lateran Church in Rome in the 1490ís is the centrepiece of the article. He wrote a flat earth book entitled ĎContra Antipodesí published in Florence in 1496 to refute the propaganda accompanying Columbusís voyages.

Lilio had an international network of allies including the human rights activist Girolomo Savonarola who was mayor of Florence when Lilioís book was published there. Savonarola and Lilio were both critical of Pope Alexander III who was an ally of the colonialists and famously condoned the division of the Atlantic realm between the Spanish and Portuguese empires and also had Savonarola put to death.

Another ally of Lilio was his mentor Tostado in Spain, a member of the Inquisition who was an enemy of the Torquemada family who is famous for opposing sponsorship of Columbusís voyage as the flat earthers including both Tostado and Lilio were against colonialism and for human rights. Tostado was a predecessor of Bishop Bartolommeo de las Casas who wrote a pro-indigenous history of the colonisation of Mexico in the 1500ís that severely criticised the colonisation.

Note: This link gives an abstract describing the article, but one might have to visit a library with subscriptions to read the entire article.

Flat Earth Believers / FE Conference 2018
« on: August 06, 2018, 06:51:45 PM »
The Canadian Flat Earth conference is upon us this week. Iím going to the one in Denver, Colorado in November (15 & 16). Iíve already got plane tickets and VIP conference tickets because I wanted to discuss biblical and ancient cosmology a bit with a couple of the speakers such as Zen Garcia.

Just an observation. Robbie Davidson and the whole group doing these big annual conferences are decidedly more biblical and Christian oriented in general than the run of the mill on this forum.

Arts & Entertainment / Bing Crosby Predicted Eclipse on the 21st
« on: August 20, 2017, 10:40:01 PM »
This 1949 movie has a peculiar scene beginning approximately at the 1 hour, 39 minute mark: 

A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Jim Crow Revival
« on: August 16, 2017, 06:06:42 PM »
Proposed laws in several U.S. states protect drivers who kill protesters. This move is strongest in areas like the American South where Black Lives Matter demonstrations have stopped traffic.

Police unions and allied politicians are the most open supporters of these proposed laws that would legally protect killing protesters. The legislation is being worded so the driver gets off unless it is proved the death was intentional.

Does Jim Crow still exist if this passes?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / NAACP & the American Ruling Class
« on: July 29, 2017, 07:29:13 PM »

In 1948, NAACP Compromises With White Racist American Establishment &
Accepts Anti-Communist Ideology to Survive.
Accordingly, they expel and persecute their own founder, the scholar and civil rights activist W.E.B. DuBois

Real News founder Paul Jay interviews Houston University Professor Gerald Horne, a prolific Marxist historian.

In the first of six 20-minute segments which assess phases of American history, Horne criticises the NAACP for compromising the civil rights movement by agreeing to become anti-communist - a modus vivendi made with america's repressive establishment to oppose communism in return for a measure of civil rights.

This is a major contributing reason for the relative success of the NAACP and the decline of the Communist Party USA during the Cold War.

In the black community, Horne explains, opposition to white racism is paramount. As long as one follows that principle, he has legroom in other areas. The white establishment successfully exploited this weakness of the NAACP. Martin Luther King got out of line by publicly defending communism through his support of the Vietnamese against American fascism, and he was dead within about a year.  By contrast, some NAACP leaders have been cowardly to speak against america's wars, and have deviated from the heritage of their founder, the outspoken W.E.B. DuBois who in fact joined the Communist Party USA shortly before he died.

As Horne alludes towards the end of this first segment, this compromise which mandated anti-communism on behalf of representatives of the lower classes was also made with labor union leaders which explains the deradicalization of unions like the CIO.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Ukraine's Successor State
« on: July 29, 2017, 03:24:11 PM »
Since Ukraine has a particularly ugly post-Soviet history even among East European governments, the Malorossiyan Federation composed of members from all over the Ukraine issued a decree in July 2017 endorsing the end of the Ukrainian state concomitant with the creation of a new government which is in accordance with the will of peoples throughout the land and a corresponding period of transition.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Lysenko versus Eugenics
« on: June 13, 2017, 03:33:35 PM »
T. Lysenko was a famous Soviet biologist and opponent of biological determinism which has a history of association with racism, the eugenics movement, and politically motivated pseudoscience.

Lysenko came under severe criticism during and since the 1960's, and I have come to suspect this criticism is rooted in anti-communist and racist politics rather than facts.

First, as Lysenko was most prominent during the Stalin era, the criticism against Lysenko is consistent with revisionism and non-Marxist trends characteristic of the degenerating Kruhschev-Brezhnev era.

Second, the basis usually cited for discrediting Lysenkoism is alleged ruinous effects of his ideas upon agriculture. That his policies had been used for decades and fell out of favor after Stalin suggests political motive. Secondly, Enver Hoxha's informative critique of the Kruhschev era assigns blame to Kruhschev himself for ruining much of agriculture that had worked beautifully when Stalin was in power and Lysenko's policies had full sway.

'The Kruhschevites'
By Enver Hoxha

Third, I very recently picked up two books severely discredit modern genetics as eugenics in another form. I have not read these yet, but it will be interesting to see in what sectors their insight pulls the rug out from under modern genetics.

'Backdoor to Eugenics'
By Troy Duster
(now in an updated second edition)
Reviewed by New England Journal of Medicine

'Not in Our Genes'
By Lewontin, et al

A brief glance after receiving it in the mail the other day suggests this one is a particularly strong iconoclastic work.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Democrats & Republicans
« on: June 05, 2017, 08:19:04 PM »
A Soviet writer using the pseudonym Ernst Henri wrote a perceptive analysis of German Nazism in 1934 entitled 'Hitler Over Europe.'

He outlined five social classes under Nazism.
1) the twelve or so capitalist families at the top, the most powerful and most hidden and to whom the top Nazis had to answer
2) the Nazi clique at the head of the government
3) the SS: this represented the upper class and upper middle class, the bourgeois
4) the SA: this represented the middle class
5) the lower class

It occurred to me that the SS and the SA are mirrors of the Republicans and the Democrats in the U.S.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Marxism & Flat Earth Science
« on: June 04, 2017, 10:38:53 AM »
I intend to show that Marxism, if used with discernment, can assist understanding science generally including flat earth science.

Marxist writers have often excelled at exposing falsehood and may be particularly helpful in exposing false science. By eliminating false notions and misunderstandings, the picture becomes far more clearer.  This often facilitates deeper understanding.

What Marxist writers talk about are often common knowledge to the poor and affected people concerned. Viewing heliocentrism and NASA as colonial science puts it in its proper context.

The development of the American propaganda network described by pro-Stalinist writers like Upton Sinclair is what spreads false news like space travel to the masses along with  other fabrications - all of which usually serve other purposes.

The Lounge / 8/21 August Solar Eclipse
« on: June 01, 2017, 09:07:54 PM »
Anyone planning on seeing the total solar eclipse on the 21st of August?

(or 8th of August on the pre-Renaissance Julian calendar)

Although a partial eclipse will be visible from most of the U.S. and Mexico and the Western parts of Europe and North Africa, I understand the roughly 60-mile wide shadow will swing across the U.S. from Oregon to South Carolina in about 90 minutes. The shadow will travel from west to east in the opposite direction of the sun and moon. I've read it starts out in the North Pacific very roughly halfway between Hawaii and Alaska at a point where the sun will actually rise eclipsed - a black sunrise. You'd likely have to charter a boat to see that.

I myself have a room reserved at Depoe Bay on the Oregon coast which is in the middle of where the shadow hits land.

Flat Earth General / Alaskan Resources
« on: June 01, 2017, 04:06:41 PM »
I'm spending the week with the family visiting Russian villages in the southern Kenai peninsula near Homer, but I'll be spending tonight (1st of June) and all day tomorrow in Anchorage.

Since Anchorage is the largest city in Alaska and a likely pool of informational resources, I wondered if perhaps anyone knew of museum exhibits, bookstores, or other information resources in town related to geography, astronomy, or the Arctic, et cetera.

I have not yet researched this aspect of the trip aside from planning to stop by Anchorage's Log Cabin Visitor's Centre and Information Bureau for guidance.

I can say I've perceived that a lot of the arctic travel stuff is based out of Fairbanks. I'm devoting tomorrow to information gathering for my own knowledge and possible future trips to the Arctic and viewing Aurora Borealis.

"350 years ago, Russia, with great pride, declared itself the Third Rome. It began to believe that it carried the only true torch of Jesus Christ. God had other plans and Russians have suffered much in the last four centuries. Then, the world was still considered flat in Russia ..."

- Rev. Pavel Fefelov
in 'Faith, Hope, and Love' Part 7,
article in the
'Russian Orthodox Old-Rite Church Calendar
for the year 2017 since Christ
and the year 7525 since Adam'

Flat Earth Information Repository / Solar Eclipse 8 (21) August 2017
« on: April 30, 2017, 11:51:16 AM »
Putting this out in case anyone wanted to observe a total eclipse of the sun as it's not an opportunity that happens everyday.

This will occur on a monday, and the shadow will evidently travel across the United States from west to east - in the opposite direction of the sun and moon (as the sun overtakes the moon).

The shadow will travel westward from the Oregon Pacific Coast headed east southeast over Salem, Oregon and Nashville, TN through South Carolina to the Atlantic Ocean.

I plan to observe the eclipse from Salem, Oregon and avoid the Pacific coast since clouds are highly possible west of the costal mountains.

Accomodations for this particular day located anywhere in the full shadow of the eclipse have been reserved months in advance. Many hotel rooms and campsites are now going for $600.

One of the more informative websites:

Flat Earth Information Repository / Comprehensive Geocentric Book
« on: January 05, 2015, 10:12:16 PM »
'Geocentricity' by Gerhardus Bouw has been published for the first time in many years in a much expanded edition.  This book is the most up to date and comprehensive book available from the (spherical) geocentric perspective.

"Geocentricty: Christianity in the Woodshed by Gerardus D. Bouw, PhD (Astronomy). The successor to Geocentricity and its predecessor, With Every Wind of Doctrine. This book is the most exhaustive and comprehensive book on the subject of geocentricity. The book presents the geocentric nature of Scripture. It includes complete coverage of Joshua's Long Day and Hezekiah's sign. The role, function, and history of the firmament is covered extensively. The sun's role in ruling the day is greatly extended in this book. Five appendixes are included in the book. One covers every scriptural reference to the geocentric creation. The last appendix derives the geocentric equations of motion that are commonly used in space travel; only this derivation is strictly geocentric. The book includes biographical sketches of most geocentrists from 1650 through 2013. Finally, the author traces the role that Copernicus' heliocentric model played in the demotion of man from being created in the image of God to an evolved accident created in the image of an ape in rebellion against the God who created man in his own image. 816 pages, hardbound."

I noticed that this website also contains a suggested outline for teaching children astronomy. 
This item can also be useful to flat earth believers. 

Flat Earth Information Repository / Stairway to Heaven
« on: December 28, 2012, 04:41:55 PM »
A tower of babel or stairway to the moon which summarizes James Beal's understanding of the history of the US space program and the intended future use of space stations according to information he claims to have seen from his friend at UCLA in the early 1970's.

Quote from: JamesBeals
The US Army Air Force and the US Navy designed several experimental winged 'rocket' airplanes in the late 1940ís ... Later rocket planes became known as X rocket planes (X = experimental) - the most famous being the X-15. Werner von Braun was among the leading German-American scientists working on this project since the late 1940's.  From that time, von Braun developed the basis of deep space travel and the US space program which has not changed to this day!  About 1950 von Braun envisioned using experimental rocket planes as 'Space Shuttles' that ferried men and materials to build orbiting space stations far above the earth...

...Emphasis on the space program got sidetracked. The real US space program was the X-15 rocket which it would refine until it became a space shuttle that could take men and heavy loads into space, but funding for that project was put on the back burner as more funds were spent on ballistic missiles with cargos on top of them.

...The X-15 was followed by the X-16, X-20 and X-22 rocket planes, and the X-24, the last of the X-rockets.  This last of the experimental rocket planes was still a manned winged plane.  These tests were said to have been going on throughout the 1960ís and 1970ís.  The next step was the space shuttle which was the intended culmination of all the X-rocket planes and the US space effort. 

...In the late '50s and early '60s the US sent one Explorer after another trying to prevent the electronics from burning out in the van Allen radiation belts.  The Russians also sent probes.  Both countries made a combined total of 30 to 40 attemptsto pass these belts.  Historical text books state that Russia was first to break the van Allen radiation barrier with their probe.  However, the books I read never explained what processes and protection were finally fabricated that gave the crafts the protection they needed to pass through the radiation belts.  According to my friend Rob, no one ever got a probe through the radiation belts.  No Explorer probe, nor the Apollo crafts, nor any Pioneer, Mariner, Viking, Voyager, nor any other deep space craft ever penetrated the van Allen radiation belts.   

...The mission of the shuttle was to travel several thousand miles or further carrying cargo to build an orbiting space station at as high an altitude as possible.  The main purpose of the space station was to serve as a research lab for further investigation of the van Allen radiation belts and how to get past them.  Part of the purpose of the space station was to act as an orbiting launch pad and re-fueling station. 

Once the first space station was complete, space shuttles between Earth and the first station would continue to carry loads, but a new type of shuttle would be built which did not have to travel into the Earth's atmosphere and therefore had no wings.  This shuttle would launch from the first space station at several thousand miles elevation and travel to a much higher orbit.

The next level of shuttles would construct a second space station at a higher orbit.  Thus, the first ground level shuttles would be ferrying loads from Earth to the first station, and another shuttle would ferry loads to the next station.  The second space station would be located at the edge of the radiation belts with the purpose of finding holes in them or some other way through.  After that was done, another space station could be built further out at 50,000 miles, or on the other side of the radiation belts.  This space program that I saw was a plan to reach the Moon by building about seven space stations as a stairway to heaven - a tower of Babel that led to the moon.


Philosophy, Religion & Society / Negativity
« on: November 08, 2012, 01:25:49 PM »
Darkness vanishes in the presence of light, especially with much light.  Knowledge makes unknowing disappear, especially with much knowledge.  Think not of this as deprivation, but rather in terms of transcendence, and then you will be able to perceive something which is truer than all truth, namely, that the knowledge of God escapes those who possess extant light and knowledge of being.  His transcendent darkness is concealed from all light and hidden from all knowledge.  One who has seen God and understood what he saw did not see Him, but rather one of His creatures that are existing and known.  He Himself is unknowable and non-existant.  He does exist above all being and is known beyond the mind. This positively complete unknowing IS knowledge of Him Who is above all knowledge and being.

Flat Earth General / Hey!
« on: November 06, 2012, 11:01:08 PM »

Flat Earth Believers / Space Shuttles: Opinions & Reflections
« on: November 06, 2012, 06:58:03 PM »
Space Shuttles,56042.0.html#.UJnH-IY4xGM

My purpose is to analyze Dr. Peter Beter's lecture on space shuttles posted in the Flat Earth Information Category.  My opinion in brief is Dr. Beter makes astute observations (whether originally his own or borrowed) alongside absurdities that should be rejected.

In my opinion, Beter's assertion about pre-recorded audios and videos of space shuttle astronauts broadcast as if they were live after the first two minutes is a legitimate claim.  Beter's description of these and other Space Shuttle operations such as the Hubble telescope being recorded at a facility in White Sands, New Mexico in support of mass deception is an excellent basis for further Space Shuttle video and audio analysis as well as research for other corroborating evidence

Flat Earth Information Repository / Space Shuttles
« on: October 08, 2012, 10:02:37 PM »
'The Dr. Beter Audio Letters Volume 2: 1979-1982'
By Dr. Peter Beter

Credit goes to Sandokhan (Levee) for first locating the material in this book.  I do not agree with everything in Beter's reports, but they do contain the most thorough and strongest debunking of the Space Shuttle missions which I have yet seen.

This book is also online.

It is composed of 80 letters of three chapters each.  I have combed it for those who want to skip straight to the chapters about the Space Shuttles:

Audio Letter #48, Part 1      The Final Chapter in The Great Skylab Cover-Up
Audio Letter #62, Part 1      The Secret Military Mission of the Space Shuttle Columbia
Audio Letter #64, Introduction   
Audio Letter #64, Part 1      The Advance Preparations for the Space Shuttle Mission
Audio Letter #64, Part 2      The Aborted Flight of the Space Shuttle Columbia
Audio Letter #64, Part 3      The NASA Cover-up of the Columbia Disaster
Audio Letter #65, Part 2      The aftermath of the Shuttle Columbia disaster
Audio Letter #68, Part 2      Deliberate delays in the Space Shuttle launch
Audio Letter #69, Summary   
Audio Letter #70, Part 2      The American Space Shuttle Failure Number Two
Audio Letter #73, Part 3      The first military success of the Space Shuttle
Audio Letter #76, Part 3      The final Space Shuttle mission for war

Dr. Peter Beter 

Flat Earth Information Repository / 'Yuri Gagarin, A Cosmic Lie'
« on: October 08, 2012, 09:14:24 PM »
'Yuri Gagarin, A Cosmic Lie'
By Nemere Istvan
(In Hungarian Language)
Nemere IstvŠn - Gagarin

Yuri Gagarin

This book is a refutation of Soviet space propaganda by the Hungarian writer Nemere Istvan. 
It shows that the famous space flight of Yuri Gagarin, the so-called first man in space - was a hoax.

Nemere Istvan Website

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Hey!
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Suggestions & Concerns / Hey!
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Hey!
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