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##### Flat Earth Q&A / Flat earth vs Round Earth directional navigation
« on: July 13, 2012, 12:33:16 PM »

Ok, so I have a question. I have been thinking about what Jroa has been telling me and I really don't get it. I have no back ground in physics in fact I have no college at all just my training in navigation, seamanship, and coxswain so if this is about physics don't freak about and say I am dumb or something. My years of training in navigation have taught me many things about Earth and most of it I don't understand I just know that IF I do X and do the math then Y happens and so on (more complicated just keeping it simple).

Here is a picture I made excuse the amazing boat drawing skills that you all wish you had.

Now in figure 1. That is a boat traveling at a 270 true course, you can tell that boat is traveling west because it is heading in that direction, following the Earths curve and of course not exactly in a straight line path (rhumb line, great circle so on depending on what the vessel is doing exactly) that vessel will meet a piece of land at some point staying at 270. You can see that the vessel is really going in that direction, not making course changes and not turning.

now in figure 2. that is what the vessel would be doing on a flat Earth. The vessel is apparently traveling at 270 true. The funny thing is that the vessel is going to travel in a circle. How can that vessel be doing 270 true heading west, yet doing a circle? On a spherical Earth the vessel can of course do 270 true heading west following the curve and not be doing an actual circle (minus the one it is doing following earths curve)

take a basketball and put one of the lines parellel to the deck and imagine you are on that black line walking it going west. You will be traveling west (in a broad circle, but that is because the ball is round!) Now take that ball pop it and lay it as flat as possible. Imagine you are on that same line walking west. You are now walking west, then north, then East, then south, and eventually coming back to where you started. So can you say that you were traveling at 270 the whole time around that flat ball?

So that is my problem, I know that I can travel at 270 and head west the whole time and end up back where I started due to the Earth being a sphere. On a flat Earth I would do an exact circle starting at 270, but then having to go 360 degrees slowly turning. It just makes no sense. I have tried uploading the flat Earth map on my Voyager program and chart a course at 270 and it takes the track leg's off of the map itself. you cannot do 270 on a flat earth... unless someone makes a flat Earth chart I do not see how you can plot a course anywhere on a flat Earth.

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##### Flat Earth General / 98% of you are not what you say!
« on: June 17, 2012, 06:56:41 PM »
98%... that is how many people on this forums are not zetetic.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/zetetic

that is how you define zetetic. The large majority of you all simply follow what you are told by a book. You simply accept what Robotham has told you. How are you all different then the rest of Earth who believe in what they are taught. How many of you went out and conducted experiments to test what you find to be false? I see a great deal of talk on this website, but no action.

So please, if you must claim you believe in a flat Earth prove it. go outside, see the world, experiment, find things. Don't simply search the web for answers to question that is not zetetic. If you believe in an ice wall (dumb idea) then go prove that it exists, not by reading what someone wrote, but going to and finding it. If you believe the sun is 3,000 miles from us go prove it! find the answer, do the math!

Until then 98% of  you are full of shit. Move this to angry ranting if you must, but everyone needs to see it!

People who lack any zetetic principles:

Thork
Tom Bishop
Lord Wilmore
Ski
Tsunami
Rondy
Irushwithscvs
Ichi

And many more!

You all make claims and reference a book, what makes you better then those who reference other books? Next time you feel you need to argue something zetetic, go out and be zetetic first!

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Earth's water and my waffle hypothesis
« on: June 13, 2012, 03:27:50 PM »
So everyone has heard of the ice-wall that holds Earth's water in right? Well I just cannot believe that nonsense. There is no proof to it, no charts, no video, no pictures (do not post a picture of antarctica!). So how then does the Earth hold in it's water without it falling off the edge? Simple I will explain...

Do you all remember pouring syrup on a pancake? It flows off the edge right? soon all the syrup is on the plat and not on the pancake! Now when you pour syrup on a waffle you will notice that even without prominent sides to hold in all the syrup, the syrup sits nice and evenly in the series of holes on the waffle, covering the waffle in syrup. So how come Earth does not do this with it's water... it does!

http://serc.carleton.edu/eslabs/corals/4b.html This is a chart of the ocean depths. You will notice, at first, that it looks nothing like a waffle. Take another good look and let your mind soak in the concept for a moment. You will start to notice shapes start to form, like shapes of "holes" on the Earth outlined by sudden thin elevation in the land that separates the "holes" much like a waffle, just not as uniform.

Take a look at the Atlantic section, I find this to be a perfect example. The Earth splits the water evenly between the west and east Atlantic. you will notice more outlines as you look at the Pacific, Indian, Antarctic, and Arctic oceans. I will try to find a more detailed chart for each section to try and find exactly where the holes start and end, maybe there are holes within the holes, who knows.

Clearly the Earth's water is being held in by the depth of the oceans like syrup on a waffle. If you are wondering how the water does not overflow and spill off, that is simple. Just plain normal weather activity. The water is evaporated into the clouds wich then spread the water evenly across Earth. The oceans have a perfect balance to each other regarding depth. notice how each is about even with the other minus where the outline of the hole is.

So when thinking about how Earth holds in it's water, please do not jump to an ice-wall, we have no proof of that. Simply looking at how the depth of the ocean is so uniform points to a simple layout of the Earth's bottom as the means to keep water on our earth. I will look more into this, try and find some better descriptions and maybe fit in underwater caves as another way for Earth to even out it's water as to keep it from over flowing.

Thank you and good day!

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / How do we get weather
« on: May 22, 2012, 12:42:56 PM »
I have been looking through the FAQ and a few older posts and could not find a solid answer. I have been wondering for the past day how FE would explain weather patterns if the sun is really so close to us and the earth is planar. After reading some of the other topics on weather. I still find no reasonable explanation as to why tidal changes, currents, cloud formations, and heat would not be extremely unrealistic on a flat earth compared to what we currently observe now.

If the sun provides heat to the earth then why would we not be scorched like the planet mercury?

If the moon causes tidal changes in our oceans due to its gravitational pull  then why would the effects not be huge?

Currents travel around the earth, if the earth is indeed a disk then how come currents exist?

I am currently stationed in Alaska. If the earth is a disc there is no way the temperatures here would be cold while others hot. Alaska according to the FE map looks as if it would share the same weather with much of the other countries that are normally hot.

All of this is really making my mind go crazy. I hope I am not coming off as pompous. I really am curious as to the explanations.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / The ocean and a spherical earth
« on: May 22, 2012, 01:40:27 AM »
Hello everyone,

This is my first post on the forums so bare with me. I am a Boatswains mate in the USCG and found this website after talking with some shipmates on watch. I have been on cutters for 6 years and a polar roller for 2 years. I have sailed many of the sea's and currently hold the titles of shell back, Golden dragon, order of the spanish main, polar bear (blue nose), and red nose (antarctic circle).

Over my years at sea I have noticed many stunning sights including the subtle and rare green flash that appears on the horizon during a perfectly clear sunset. As the arc of the sun moves further down past the horizon their colors mix and show for a brief moment a shade of green. After reading a few topics and reading some of the debate I have a few observations to share with the intent to spark a light bulb in some peoples views on a flat earth compared to a spherical earth.

My first observation is that of the curvature the earth has when viewing objects from afar. Lookout's are taught during their qualifications that objects may appear below the visible horizon and to watch as they slowly appear to distinguish if the vessel is coming towards us either at an angle or directly. After watching countless times objects appear from the visible horizon I can come to the conclusion that there is no drop-off point only a curve in the earth that a vessel or object appears from. For example if I was making way with a heading of 090 degrees true and a different vessel was traveling with a heading of either 000 or 180 degrees true. We would not suddenly see each other instantly. We would slowly watch as our ships emerged from the curvature of the earth.

When tracking a storm on radar (yes you can see weather patterns on radar, big green blobs) that is past the horizon. The whole storm would not suddenly appear rather you would slowly start to see the cloud formation come up from the horizon as we move closer to it. Same concept as a vessel coming over the horizon.

I would like to also adress the "ice wall" that I notice keeps coming up in some discussions. Having sailed extremely close to the north pole and the south pole I have seen ice all around. Never, however, have I seen a wall of ice that would hinder vessel traveling through the arctic or Antarctic circles. I find this to be somewhat laughable to think about. My Bos'un is a square knot sailor (sailed all seven seas) and has made many trips on the Polar Sea around the circles with NOAA personel conducting research. Not once has he ever witnessed a "Wall of ice" that would hinder the voyage going from one side of the arctic circle to the other.

If the sun was to be as close to earth as stated in the FAQ then why would the earth be so cold compared to other planets orbiting the sun such as Mercury. I realize FE does not believe in NASA's research, but with so much scientific evidence from great minds around the globe (get it the globe, sorry probably over used joke here) all come to an agreement about how the sun is a star ( giant ball of burning gasses) and causes heat then how would we on earth not be burnt to a crisp? How would a proponent of FE explain the trillions of stars and planets we can all see in the night sky? or the milky way? all of which is clearly visible while at sea. Shooting stars and orbiting satellites are a regular past time to watch when smoking on the fantail at night.

My shipmates and I find these discussion fun while on watch in the early mournings and I figured I would chime in with some examples through experiences.  I hope you all have a good day.

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