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Have you guys heard about Admiral Byrd's adventure? In this alleged diary of his from 1947, he claims he entered the Earth at the North Pole and that there are beings living inside the Hollow Earth. It is documented he did exploration in Antarctica as well.


Adherents to the Hollow Earth hypothesis believe that Byrd flew over the North Pole and into the hollow earth in February 1947 and that he kept a secret diary of the incident. This belief was first published in 1957 in F. Amadeo Giannini's book The Worlds Beyond the Poles.

One major problem with Giannini's account is that in February 1947, Byrd was leading the highly publicized Operation Highjump in Antarctica and was, consequently, no where near the North Pole.

Here is the alleged diary: http://www.phfawcettsweb.org/byrddiary.htm

What are your opinions about this?


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Flat Earth Q&A / Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: May 31, 2014, 12:09:28 AM »
List of all the people who have circumnavigated the globe since the 16th century. Are they all lying? Were they all completely unaware that they were turning around the Flat Earth instead of simply just going relatively straight in one direction until they wrapped around? Surely pilots would know this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circumnavigations#20th_century


This is the list of only Aircraft Circumnavigators:
In 1999, Bertrand Piccard and Brian Jones achieved the first non-stop balloon circumnavigation in Breitling Orbiter 3.

    United States Army Air Service, 1924, first aerial circumnavigation, 175 days, covering 44,360 kilometres (27,560 mi).
    Friedrich Karl von Koenig-Warthausen, in a Klemm L.20, circumnavigated the globe solo, between August 1928 and November 1929.
    LZ-127 Graf Zeppelin, 1929, piloted by Hugo Eckener set a record for the fastest aerial circumnavigation, 21 days, which was also the first circumnavigation in an airship.
    On 1 July 1931, pilot Wiley Post and navigator Harold Gatty completed their circumnavigation of the world in a Lockheed Vega aeroplane, Winnie Mae, in 8 days, 15 hours and 51 minutes; the record for fastest circumnavigation was once again held by an aeroplane.
    In 1932, Wolfgang von Gronau flew around the world in a twin-engine Dornier seaplane, Gronland-Wal D-2053, in nearly four months, making 44 stops en route. He was accompanied by co-pilot Gerth von Roth, mechanic Franzl Hack, and radio operator Frtiz Albrecht.[12]
    In 1933, Wiley Post repeated his circumnavigation by aeroplane, but this time solo, using an autopilot and radio direction finder. He made the first solo aerial circumnavigation in a time one day faster than his previous record: 7 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, in which he covered 25,110 kilometres (15,600 mi).
    Richarda Morrow-Tait became the first woman pilot to fly around the world, accompanied by navigator Michael Townsend, in a year and a day, from 18 August 1948 to 19 August 1949.
    In 1949, the United States Air Force B-50 Superfortress Lucky Lady II made the first non-stop aerial circumnavigation in 94 hours and 1 minute. Four in-air refuelings were required for the flight, which covered 37,743 kilometres (23,452 mi).
    Geraldine Mock, 1964, first woman to complete a solo aerial circumnavigation.
    Don Taylor, 1976, first general aviation circumnavigation by homebuilt aircraft.
    Dick Smith, 19821983, first solo circumnavigation by helicopter.
    Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager, 1986, Voyager, first non-refueled circumnavigation in an airplane, 9 days, 3 minutes and 44 seconds.
    In 1992 an Air France Concorde achieved the fastest non-orbital circumnavigation in 32 hours 49 minutes and 3 seconds.
    Bertrand Piccard and Brian Jones, 1999, first non-stop balloon circumnavigation in Breitling Orbiter 3, 19 days, 1 hour and 49 minutes, covering 42,810 kilometres.
    Polly Vacher, 2001, in the smallest aircraft flown in a solo circumnavigation by a woman, via Australia and the Pacific.
    Steve Fossett, 2 July 2002, first solo balloon circumnavigation.
    Steve Fossett, 3 March 2005, GlobalFlyer, first non-stop, non-refueled solo circumnavigation in an airplane, 67 hours, covering 37,000 kilometres.
    Steve Fossett, 11 February 2006, GlobalFlyer, longest non-stop, non-refueled solo flight (with circumnavigation) in an airplane, covering 42,469.5 kilometres (26,389.3 mi), in 76 hours and 45 minutes.[13][14]
    Riccardo Mortara, Gabriel Mortara, and Flavien Guderzo, 2010, flying a Rockwell Sabreliner 65, completed the 36,770 km minimum distance around the world in 57 hours 54 minutes. current record for fastest aerial circumnavigation;
    Jack Wiegand, 2013, youngest pilot to circumnavigate the globe, solo (21).[15]
    The Swiss solar-powered aircraft Solar Impulse plan to make the first solar-powered aerial circumnavigation of the globe in 2015.

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Flat Earth General / The Flat Earthers Theory of Global Warming
« on: May 31, 2014, 12:03:32 AM »
Even though there is widespread opinion in the scientific community global warming is indeed happening, what do the Flat Earthers here believe about Global Warming? Are the same people that are faking NASA photographs and lying to us about the Earth being spherical behind a global warming hoax? If so, why?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Do Any Flat Earthers Believe in Aliens?
« on: April 10, 2014, 08:56:42 PM »
Do any Flat Earthers believe in life on other planets or possible alien visitations to this planet either currently or in the ancient world?

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Flat Earth Debate / Debunking FET Sunset is Optical illusion
« on: April 03, 2014, 06:39:48 PM »
One of the most low tech, easiest ways to witness a result of the curvature of the Earth is to watch a sun set beyond the horizon. You can see the sun slowly go down beyond the curvature, or more accurately, the Earth rotates beyond where we can no longer see the sun past the curvature. The Flat Earthers claim this is an optical illusion and it is simply our eyes not being able to see any further and an optical illusion is created which makes the sun going further away appear like it is setting.

But here is something I would like an explanation for: if you are on flat land and watch the sun go down, then climb a hill or small mountain, you will then see the sun continuing to go down. The higher you go, the longer you will actually see the sun setting. If this was an optical illusion due to distance, you should see less, but the higher you go, the further you go, the more you will see the sunset. Same would go for boats sailing across the horizon. This debunks your claim it is an optical illusion due to distance and clearly is proof the sun set is a result of not being able to see beyond the curvature.

Explain that!


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Flat Earth Q&A / Could You Dig a Hole Deep Enough to Reach Space?
« on: April 02, 2014, 10:37:38 AM »
If the Earth is flat, you could potentially dig deep enough and come out the other side. How long would this take to do and what would we find below? Wouldn't we have the technology to do this by now?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Are All Flat Earthers Here Fake and on the Payroll?
« on: April 01, 2014, 11:15:14 PM »
Jroa admitted to me that he gets paid $.20 per post and that if you paid him enough he would say anything. He claims a guy Daniel pays him and Flat Earth t-shirts make good money. So is it possible all Flat Earthers here are just getting paid and don't really believe in this? How is this guy Daniel making money from this site other than t-shirts? I don't see any ads. I tried to get more answers from Jroa but he won't answer me.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Flat Earthers Explain Helium balloon
« on: March 31, 2014, 07:37:08 PM »
A helium balloon works as long as the helium plus the balloon is lighter than the air it displaces, the balloon will float in the air. But in the Flat Earth theory, the Earth is ever moving upwards. Why doesn't it slam into the balloon? You can also take a helium balloon into a room and have it rest at the ceiling. Amazingly, the Earth never catches up to it. It just remains at the ceiling. What is your answer for this?

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After a week of non stop asking for any proof from any Flat Earther on this site with no proof given, Jroa finally provided me his 3 reasons to suggest the Earth is indeed flat. I thought we can analyze these reasons and see what the results are:

He stated these are 3 reasons he know the Earth is flat:

1) Bedford level experiment

2) Using a theodolite over great distances does not produce a bulge in the middle, which would be consistent with a round Earth.

3) Both the north star and the southern cross have been seen at the same time from a latitude of 32 degrees, which is impossible according to RET.

If you have more reasons, Jroa, please let us know. Let's talk about these 3 reasons,.

Thanks.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Why Don't Flat Earthers Just Launch a Rocket?
« on: March 25, 2014, 07:20:49 AM »
Why don't all the Flat Earthers put their money together and launch a rocket into space with a camera and take a photo of the Earth where you can see the curvature? How much would this cost? You only have to go high enough to see the curve. Are there any rich Flat Earthers or are they all broke? You could get some rocket scientist to make you the rocket. How much would this cost? You simply find the closest height that you can see the curev, take a photo, then if it comes back with no curve, there you go. If there is a curve you have to finally surrender it has all been bullshit. 

Or simply travel to the Ice Wall and take a photo.

Come on guys. Go get your proof.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Who started this Flat Earth theory anyway?
« on: March 24, 2014, 11:27:08 PM »
Most Flat Earthers have the exact same ideas. A few differences, but they are pretty much the same. Sun rotates over head, it is like a spotlight, the Earth does not rotate, ice wall surrounding the Earth, South Pole is a lie, and we have all been lied to and tricked by NASA and JPL and every photo of the Earth or planet is fake. The Earth moves upwards and gravity is a lie. Sunsets are merely an optical illusion. The powers that be know he world is flat and are keeping us in the dark about it.

So what I want to know is who is the loon that started this whole idea? It had to be one guy who created this entire theory and then it slowly grew. How did this Flat Earth Doctrine come to be?

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Evidence we have that the Earth is Flat is...
« on: March 23, 2014, 05:56:51 AM »
Do not derail. Do not answer with more questions. Do not go off topic. Just simply complete this sentence:

"The evidence we have that the Earth is Flat, the sun and moon rotate above us while the Earth does not rotate and is surrounded by an ice wall are ____________________________"

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Flat Earth Debate / The Seasons Prove Flat Earth Model is Absurd!
« on: March 22, 2014, 05:40:08 PM »
For some reason I am unable to attach the picture of the seasons of a Flat Earth. Can someone else do this?

Seasons do not make sense in the Flat Earth model. They say the sun orbits around the Earth like a halo above it. So let's say when it is over Australia during it's day then it is night time in the US for argument's sake. If they calculated the time difference, they would see that day and night overlaps in Australia and the US at the same time for a few hours. Haha how can the Sun do that over a flat Earth? For example, China is 16 hours difference to California. That means at 4 PM California time where it is day and you can see the sun, it is 8 AM China time where they have day and sun. Look at your Flat Earth map. It makes no sense by how you explain the size and distance of the sun! If it causes night and day by rotating around, this is inconsistent. 

Then they say the seasons is caused by the sun orbiting outwards towards the Southern Hemisphere, which creates summer in the South and then towards the middle for Summer in the north. Why or how the sun orbits inwards and outwards like it is on some track, of course they can't tell us.

Now try and focus and follow what I am saying so you can understand this simple concept.

If the sun is in it's summer mode near the North Pole over the US. Then it goes over Russia when the US is night. Compare that to Australia's summer. The sun would go around to South America. The distance of the sun over South America to Australia is further than the distance of the Sun over Russia to Australia in Flat and Round Earth model. Yet it is still summer over Australia. This makes no sense if you understand what I am saying.

You guys simply do not understand that everything we know and live by is based on a Spherical planet orbiting around the sun on it's tilted axis.


If I am wrong here, then explain the details of where I am wrong and how this works in a flat Earth. Do not answer with questions. Just explain where I am wrong and how it works or admit the Flat Earth makes no sense whatsoever.

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Alan Moore, one of, if not, the greatest comic book and graphic novelist ever, literary genius. writer of Watchmen. V for Vendetta, From Hell, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and many others, explains why conspiracy theorists think how they do. This doesn't mean there are no conspiracies or gov't cover ups. But people who live their lives by conspiracies or people like Flat Earthers, should understand what he is trying to say here. If you read V for Vendetta, you know he is very anti-establishment. But what he is talking about is the thinking behind conspiracy obsessed people. The motivation behind believing the Earth is Flat is not based on any evidence, it is based on a mental state.

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Alan Moore on Conspiracies

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Flat Earth Q&A / Visitors to Antarctica Prove Antartica is Real
« on: March 21, 2014, 02:38:19 AM »
Australian company Antarctica Sightseeing Flights charters planes to run scenic tours over the continent. But tourists wanting to set foot on Antarctica must typically travel by boat. The Rhode Island-based International Association of Antarctic Tour Operators estimates about 35,000 tourists visited the continent last summer.

Explain how this fits your Flat Earth model of no Antarctica?

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Flat Earth Debate / Explain the Seasons in the Flat Earth Model
« on: March 21, 2014, 02:09:27 AM »
How can Australia be winter while China is summer with a Flat Earth of the sun rotating overhead? Sun rotating overhead demonstrates the day but how can you explain the seasons?

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Flat Earth Debate / How Aristotle Concluded the Earth is Sphere
« on: March 21, 2014, 02:03:11 AM »
Aristotle figured this out in the 3rd century B.C.

Quick video to explain this:

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">How Aristotle Proved the Earth is Spherical

This proves the Earth is a sphere by these very basic observations.

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Flat Earth Debate / Video Proof of Curvature of Earth on the Horizon
« on: March 21, 2014, 01:57:34 AM »
If you watch this video filmed by some guy on the beach with an island in the distance. You can see at :52 some type of white building is on the right side of island. You can also observe how it looks like the ocean goes down way deep in the horizon. A horizon is very clear. Then if you look at 2:35 when he lowers the camera, you can see the building is no longer visible, and it is because it went down with the curvature of the Earth. In this video the curvature of the Earth is clearly visible and this is not some optical illusion where your eyes simply can't see far. You can even see mountains behind the curvature of the Earth, behind the horizon, to prove that your eyes can see farther.

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">A video showing the curvature of the earth


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Flat Earth Debate / Absolute Proof the Earth Rotates
« on: March 20, 2014, 06:23:43 PM »
In Griffith Park Observatory in Los Angeles, they have a pendulum exhibit in front. You can see the pendulum appear to slowly go in a circle because the Earth beneath it rotates. I went there, I saw it with my own 2 eyes. Not only that, but they have massive telescopes you can look through daily where you can see planets, stars and the moon.
"Free public telescopes are available each evening the Observatory is open and skies are clear. Knowledgeable telescope demonstrators are available to guide visitors in observing. "

I recommend you visit and look through the telescopes yourself.

Here is a video of the pendulum that clearly without a shadow of a doubt, demonstrates that the Earth rotates in a circle every 24 hours, everyday. I saw it when I first walked in. Then came back 2 hours later to see how the Earth rotated slightly and the pendulum was moved over. It moves over exactly perfectly to the same spot every day for 24 hour cycles. You see, this is not propaganda or brainwashing, this is called evidence!

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It is simply because there is no evidence or even any reason to even suggest in any way the Earth is not a sphere. I know you think it is because we are all sheep brainwashed morons, but the reality is, there is no reason to believe the world is flat. If there is any reason whatsoever, please present them.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How Do Flat Earters Explain an Eclipse?
« on: March 19, 2014, 06:44:25 AM »
I really would love to hear this one. Let me go grab some popcorn and a brew.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Answer the Reason Why
« on: March 18, 2014, 07:52:55 PM »
All of you are so dedicated to prove why and how the Earth is not round, yet can anyone answer 2 simplest of questions:

1) What evidence or even partial evidence or any reason at all that has any validity in any way do you have to suggest the Earth is a flat?

2) What would be the purpose to have all of these NASA and JPL employees, scientists, governments, and astrophysicists alter photos of Earth and the planets, make up fake experiments, make up fake satellites and missile programs, film false Mars and moon landings, and the other million things all faked and lied to us that the world is round for what reason? All of this massive hoax for what reason?

So far, this is the only conspiracy I have ever come across where people believe whole heartedly in something for absolutely no valid reason whatsoever. So please, tell me the reasons. 

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Flat Earth Debate / The Reason Flat Earth Theory is Rediculous!
« on: March 16, 2014, 08:52:28 PM »
Flat Earthers will tell you that the only logical reason to believe in a Round Earth is that you have been brainwashed to believe this. Despite the overwhelming logic and evidence, they refuse to see any logical reason why we would live on a spherical world.

There are some real conspiracies in the world, and most of them, have actual logical reasons to think we may have been misled of what the real truth is. But there is absolutely no logical reason to think the world is flat and there is no logical reason to think there is a conspiracy on such a massive scale just to lie to us. If the world was indeed flat, we would just accept that as normal, and life would go on as usual. To think that all of the many people working at JPL, NASA and all space programs were in on the hoax and keeping it a secret. To think every photo of Earth from space was doctored. All satellites were fake. All pilots and ship captains not only have been lied to, not one figured it out they have been navigating a Fat Earth.

All of this for what? So they can fool us and high five behind our backs?

And the reason some will state is the Earth looks flat with your own 2 eyes. Then is there no such thing as Oxygen because I can't see it? No such thing as X rays, microwaves, sound waves? DNA isn't real? I do not see them in front of me. Obviously the Earth is enormous and we are small.

There is no reason to suggest the world is flat. That is why this is all complete nonsense! To have an elaborate hoax of such a massive scale like this, we would have to at least have 1 very good reason. We don't. I have not seen one person come up with a shocking reason why this could even be remotely possible.

The only reasons you have are your lack of understanding basic Earth science, and refusing to learn about it, and you simply just want to believe in the opposite of what everyone believes, even though you have no reason to that makes any sense.


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If you fly from California to New York then to Europe then to China then back to California, all going East, you will end up where you started, back in California. Anyone is able to do this with a few plane tickets. You can also take a ship from Central America through the Panama Canal across the Atlantic to the Middle East, through the Suez Canal, through South East Asia, across the Pacific and back to Central America all going East. Doesn't this prove the Earth is round? If this does not prove the Earth is round, please explain to me how the Earth can be flat if you can fly around the world in one direction and end up where you started.

Thank you!

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