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Flat Earth Q&A / Eclipses
« on: November 02, 2009, 01:22:12 PM »
How do FErs explain solar and lunar eclipses?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Over the edge?
« on: November 02, 2009, 08:57:26 AM »
If the ice wall is unapproachable, why would the ancients have been afraid of falling off the edge of the earth? If it is approachable, they would have seen an impenetrable ice wall that would have prevented them from falling off the edge. In either case, there should have been no reason to fear the edge of the earth.

I guess the bigger question is this: if the ice wall is unapproachable, how does anyone know what is out there?

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Flat Earth General / Washington Irving
« on: November 02, 2009, 07:35:01 AM »
Read a book by James Loewen titled "Lies my teacher told me." Actually, you only need to read a few pages regarding Washington Irving, the author or Rip Van Winkle and the Legend of Sleepy Hollow. Irving wrote a book in 1828 titled "The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus." In this book, Irving, which was largely written as a joke, indicated that Columbus set out to prove the world was round. This is utter nonsense. No one at the time or any time previous actually believed the world was flat. Nonetheless, Irving's work of fiction was regarded as truth by some, and somehow made its way into school history books.

I recall in the 6th grade seeing a drawing in my social studies book depicting Columbus sitting on the shore, watching ships come over the horizon, and determining for himself that the earth had to be round. He therefore set out to sail around it to prove his theory. If you ask any grammar or high schooler, you'll likely get a similar answer to the question as to why Columbus sailed in 1492. This is rubbish.

So, you all owe your silly flat-earth beliefs to a work of fiction written by Washington Irving. Ironically, Irving even admitted at the time that it was a joke, but many took it seriously anyway, just as you do now.


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Flat Earth General / Flat Earthers, where is your outrage?
« on: October 30, 2009, 10:17:17 AM »
In a world (round or flat) where poverty is rampant, starvation is pandemic, terrorism is uncontrolled, and the environment is being destroyed, where is your outrage that all of the world's governments are wasting hundreds of trillions of dollars (essentially all the world's resources) every year propping up a vast conspiracy to keep your inconsequential truth from being known?

Why do your leaders not attempt to overthrow these governments? Why do you not try to get elected to high political offices? Why do you not make life a living hell for those politicians you believe are thwarting your beliefs? Why do you not employ reputable scientists to verify your theories? Why do you not seek documentation of the government conspiracies? Why do you not establish your own media outlets to flood the world with your message?

Regardless of whether you are right or wrong, if you believe there is a conspiracy, why do you not act? Perhaps the shape of the planet does not really matter, but the wasted resources do matter, do they not?

If world-wide governments are ignoring critical social and economic problems in favor of hiding the truth, why are you not outraged?

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Flat Earth Q&A / How about that sun?
« on: October 10, 2006, 03:16:54 PM »
Okay, here's a question about the sun.

You FErs say that it moves north and south throughout the year to create the seasons. If that is the case, it would have to move much faster in the south to complete one revolution in 24 hours because its circumference is so much larger. Conversely it would move slower in the north. What causes the sun to change its orbit and speed up/slow down?

Someone said it has an eliptical orbit, but that explanation is inadequate.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Shackleton
« on: October 10, 2006, 01:55:35 PM »
What about the Shackleton story?

Part of the conspiracy?

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Flat Earth Q&A / No gravity
« on: October 10, 2006, 12:47:43 PM »
Wouldn't it be hysterical if the earth really were flat, and we really are being held to its surface by its ever-increasing speed, and in fact there were people living on the underside who have to strap in because the earth is always trying to go off and leave them? That would be a hoot.

Of course, they'd be in the dark...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Geography/Geology
« on: October 10, 2006, 12:14:27 PM »
What caused Mt. Everest to rise up?

Do y'all believe in Mt. Everest?

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Flat Earth Q&A / RE undeniable evidence
« on: October 10, 2006, 11:49:07 AM »
I have new undeniable evidence that the earth is round.

I received a resume' from a job applicant. The resume' had a drawing (clip art) of the earth. It clearly showed Africa extending around the earths edge, as well as Alaska extending around the oposite edge.

This cannot be considered anything other than undeniable evidence that the earth is in fact, round. There's now way this could be a doctored or altered drawing.

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Flat Earth Q&A / An unbridgeable gulf
« on: October 06, 2006, 11:09:40 AM »
I've only been on the forum two days, but I have come to an inescapable conclusion. Until FErs can accept universal laws of physics, they will never be able to explain their theory in any meaningful way. If the answer is always, it's an optical illusion, or it's undeniable evidence, or it's a ruse, they will never make a cogent argument. There has to be some common ground for the gulf to be bridged, and FErs appear to ignore or deny any established laws of physics that would not support their theory.

Conclusion: There's no hope for agreement.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Question of the Day
« on: October 06, 2006, 09:46:07 AM »
If the RE conspirators can employ 24 million guards to keep people from approaching the ice wall, why can't they keep illegal immiagrants from crossing the U.S./Mexico border?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Actual mileage test
« on: October 05, 2006, 01:51:58 PM »
Okay. I did a quick test on Google Earth (yes, Satan's tool, I know). The coordinates for the very tip of Tierra del Fuego are 54, 39, 42 S; 65, 08, 52 W. The coordinates for the opera house in Sydney Harbour, Australia, are 33, 51, 24 S; 151, 12, 54 E. Using an online distance calculator, it indicates the distance between those two points is 5,946 miles. According your UN Logo-like map of the world, these two points are about as far apart as any two points can be. Since you claim the diameter of the earth in nearly 25,000 miles, I would guess that your assertion would be that these two points are about 23,000 miles apart.

Here's the test. If you could fly from Tierra del Fuego to Sydney, Australia nonstop at a constant known speed, and using your 7th grade arithmetic, calculated the distance to actually be 5,946 miles (+ or - a few miles) would you still assert that the southern tip of South America is 23,000 miles from Sydney?

This is not a trick question. Your answer is either yes or no.

If your answer is yes, then there should be someone within your society willing to take up such a test, accompanied by an impartial referee, of course.

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Flat Earth Q&A / New thread, old question
« on: October 05, 2006, 12:42:39 PM »
I cut and pasted the following statement from another thread. I'd like more clarification.

"FE'ers do not believe in satellites. "Satellite" signals are actually signals from radio towers. On an FE, an orbiting satellite would not be as plausible."

My question is why not? If the sun can zip around in an orbit above a flat earth, why can't a satellite?

If your answer is that a satellite would fall to earth, my next question is then why doesn't the sun fall to earth. Any physical law that applies to the sun would also apply to a satellite.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Explain this one...
« on: October 05, 2006, 12:21:40 PM »
Google Earth.

Part of the world-wide conspiracy? The Gov. is faking the photo of your house with your car in the driveway and your trampoline in the back yard? Rather an arrogant position to think the Gov. gives a flying crap about you...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Questions from a Newbie
« on: October 05, 2006, 09:18:11 AM »
I'm new to this forum, and I have certainly not read all posts, so please forgive me if my questions are redundant.

How thick is the earth's disc?

What force causes the earth/sun/moon/stars to continually accelerate upward? And where are they headed?

Why don't we slam into any other celestial bodies?

If the sun moves in an "orbit" above the earth, what keeps it from flying off into space like a kid letting go of a merry-go-round?

What causes the sun to move north and south in its orbit? This would mean the orbit is not stable.

The explanation for the moon's phases and eclipses is very illogical. Is there a better one?

How do you reconcile the concept of Leap Year?

What is your opinion on dinosaurs' existence, extinction?

What holds the atmosphere in place?

I think all your world-wide government conspiracies are hysterical, but I'm not really interested in debating them. I'm more interested in your scientific explanations. Substituting a scentific explanation with a conspiracy theory is weak at best.

Finally, if the earth truly is flat, where are the reputable scientists who can prove it? What literature has been published and withstood criticism? What laws of physics do you cite that supports your position? It is not even remotely credible to claim there has been world-wide government conspiracy for thousands of years. Our governments can't agree on anything, let alone something like a round earth theory.

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