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I'll be making an announcement about this more publicly tomorrow but I wanted to give the forums a heads-up.  The Flat Earth Society is expanding its social media presence.  To kick this off, we'll be running a celebratory campaign that showcases our supporters all over the Disk.  We'll be asking people who have FES t-shirts to Instagram themselves wearing the t-shirt wherever they are and tag @FlatEarthToday and hashtag #FlatEarthExplorer.  Please geotag or hashtag your location as well.  We will be regramming the photos across our social media network so people can see our supporters all across the world.

No Instagram? No problem. Send them to us via Twitter, Facebook or email

Follow us on social media at:

Announcements / The new site is up and running!
« on: May 02, 2014, 01:02:31 AM »
After far too long, the new front page is up and running.  There are a lot of small changes and a few big ones.  The biggest is the Flat Earth Library.  It used to contain maybe 300-400 pages of material.  Now it's closer to 4,000 pages, including a lot of books, journals and pamphlets which, as far as I know, aren't available anywhere else.  And, of course, notes and letters from the Samuel Shenton archive. 

The membership register is up and running again.  And it's searchable/sortable.  And new member registration is available again!

If anyone has suggestions -- things to change or add -- then please let me know.

Announcements / Moving to a new server today..
« on: December 01, 2013, 12:41:36 AM »
Just a quick heads-up: we're finally moving to the new server.  The forums post database was initially moved a few weeks ago so we'll lose a bit of content.. but at least the errors and bandwidth issues will be a thing of the past.

With the new site up and running, I'll also be adding thousands of pages of new documents from the Samuel Shenton archive.

Announcements / "Lost Password" emails..
« on: June 11, 2013, 04:49:01 AM »
I've had a few reports of people receiving emails saying that they had clicked on the "I forgot my password.." button.  I believe this is someone spamming members.  Please disregard the email and do not click on any links included in the email.

Announcements / Possible down-time over the next couple of days..
« on: December 27, 2012, 05:20:49 PM »
I'm doing some major upgrades over the next couple of days and it's possible the site may go down from time to time.  This will affect the forums as well as the front page.  I'll keep people updated via Twitter (@danielshenton) as things progress.

Suggestions & Concerns / Anyone know of a good "library" module for Joomla?
« on: December 27, 2012, 05:58:38 AM »
I'm expanding the Flat Earth Library on the main website and it's getting a bit cluttered.  Is there a good document-organizing module for Joomla?  Or something outside of Joomla is fine too.  I just want a way of keeping a large-ish catalog of documents organized.  The docs will be a mix of mostly PDFs with a handful of JPGs mixed in as well.  Any suggestions?

Announcements / Major new addition to the Flat Earth Library!
« on: December 26, 2012, 04:15:30 PM »
I just added about 300 pages of documents to the Library.  It's from Lady Blount's book "Flat or Spherical".  Like many of the Flat Earth books from that era, it's a collection of smaller works.  I've broken it into pieces as logically as possible.  There are 19 'chapters' so far and I'll be adding more materials over the Christmas holiday.  For now, though, here it is:

This has been a bit of a top secret project with Lord Wilmore and me, but it's finally time to make it public:

The first episode of the Flat Earth Society Podcast is available for download!  If you use iTunes, you can either search for "Flat Earth Society Podcast" in the iTunes store or click here:

If you're not an iTunes person, the podcast can also be found here:

The podcast format will focus mostly on interviews with other outside-the-box thinkers.  We'll discuss their ideas, their background and the unique ways in which they view the world.  The guest on our first episode is Duncan Lunan, an astronomer, science writer and science fiction author.

Have a listen and let us know what you think.  If you enjoy it, please give us a positive review on iTunes.  If you hate it, please give us a positive review on iTunes anyway!

For the first time since November, we're offering Flat Earth Society t-shirts and hoodies in the Flat Earth Shop.  In addition to the original design, there's a new special edition design based on illustrations from everyone's favorite, Earth Not A Globe and a headline from an issue of the UZS "Earth" journal!  That new design includes a back print as well.  Exciting stuff!  Pre-orders will last until May 27th and should ship about 2 weeks after that.  And unlike with membership packs, I'm usually very punctual about t-shirts.  Anyway, here's the two designs that are now available:

Announcements / A HUGE announcement about the Flat Earth Library!
« on: February 20, 2012, 04:37:44 PM »
As of Friday, I'm in possession of the massive archive of Samuel Shenton's Flat Earth materials from the Science Fiction Foundation at the University of Liverpool library!  This has been in the works for a while now but just became a reality last week when I visited Liverpool to pick up the collection.  It's HUGE.  There are numerous books (many extremely rare), letters (to and from Shenton), handwritten notes and diagrams, presentation posters.. and much, much more.  It's basically filling up an entire bookshelf in my house now.  Digitising it will be a long process but I have a few things (about 60 pieces of correspondence from Samuel Shenton) online already and more to come very soon. Check the Library on the main site to see what's there.  I'll be posting a comprehensive catalogue of the materials in the next week or so in case anyone has specific things they'd like to see digitised early on.

I'll be sending out a press release about this in the next few days as well.  Big, big news for the Society!

Announcements / SOPA Blackout on January 18th..
« on: January 16, 2012, 11:52:41 AM »
I'm not sure how the rest of you feel about SOPA, but I find it very disturbing.  In light of this, will be participating in the anti-SOPA blackout on January 18th.  We'll cease to operate as usual that day and, instead, display information about SOPA and links to relevant resources.  I know we're little fish in the big Internet pond compared to Wikipedia and Reddit, but I figure every little bit of effort counts.

Announcements / We're back and better than ever!
« on: June 12, 2011, 05:46:58 AM »
The forums have had some major problems over the past 4-5 days due to malicious hackers.  As luck would have it, though, our forums software made the long-awaited jump from v1.1.13 to v2.0 over the weekend.  I'm hoping that whatever vulnerabilities were making us a target in 1.1.13 have been removed in the new version.  Fingers crossed.

Unfortunately, the old theme we used doesn't seem to have a 2.0 version, so things are looking a little different at the moment.  I'm looking for a better theme but I figured this one would do for the time being.  If anyone has suggestions for a blue theme compatible with SimpleMachines Forum 2.0, I'm all open to suggestions.

If anyone runs into bugs in the new software, please let me know and I'll do what I can to fix them.

Announcements / We're #1! Take _that_,!
« on: May 19, 2011, 02:21:03 PM »
I just wanted to let everyone know that after 7 years, we're finally the #1 google result for "the flat earth society" and "flat earth society".  The old site drops to #3 behind us and Wikipedia.

I have no problem with the parody site, but it'll be nice to stop getting emails from people thinking that's the real site and asking me about turtles.

I started another round of pre-orders in case anyone is interested in some stylish Flat Earth gear:

Alternatively, this is also an excellent opportunity for people to accuse me of exploiting the Flat Earth Society again in order to line my pockets with dozens of dollars in ill-gotten profits.


The Lounge / Designers wanted! Let's make some FES stickers..
« on: February 22, 2011, 02:28:08 PM »
I have the week off and I'm stuck at home with a bad cold, so I have too much time on my hands.  So far, this has resulted in me clearing a 3-week backlog of FES-related emails, scanning a 150-page book and uploading a bunch of new stuff to the Library.  Now I've got it in my head that I should get a batch of FES stickers printed so I can include them with membership packs and t-shirts and whatnot.  I found a place that will batches of 500-1000 round 69mm diameter full-color stickers at a pretty reasonable price.. and they'll do multiple designs instead of just having an entire batch of the same design.  I can do 1, 2 or 4 designs.  I figured it would be best to do 4 designs.  2 of them will probably be things I've done before as badges/buttons:

But that leaves 2 more.  Anyone want to have a crack at designing a sticker?  If you come up with a good design and I end up using it, I'll send you a batch of stickers and badges and whatnot.  I'm pretty flexible about the designs as long as they're 1) interesting and 2) related to the Flat Earth Society in some way.  I've uploaded a bunch of FES-related images in case anyone wants to use them in some way: Flat Earth Image Pack

The printer has templates online for .PSD and .AI files.

Announcements / Big new additions to the Flat Earth Library!
« on: February 22, 2011, 10:45:19 AM »
As of today, there are two new additions to the Flat Earth Library:

Lady Blount's "Adrian Galilio; or a Songwriter's Story" is now available in its entirety.  It's about 150 pages long and contains all of the original text, sheet music and illustrations.  As far as I know, our library is the only way to get this book without having to track down a 110 year-old copy like I did!

Also, I was lucky enough to meet with the widow of Ellis Hillman (a key figure in the transition between Samuel Shenton and Charles K. Johnson) near Christmas of last year.  She gave me access to a variety of Flat Earth-related materials from his archives.  These included some letters and hand-written notes from former FES president Samuel Shenton himself.  Really amazing stuff.  She also gave me delicious cinnamon cookies.  The documents are currently in the Library.  The cookies, sadly, are not.

The Lounge / Anyone good at compressing PDFs?
« on: February 20, 2011, 04:22:24 PM »
I just finished scanning in my copy of Lady Blount's "Adrian Galilio", a task that took me a mere 4 months to finally do.  Anyway, the final PDF ended up being something like 60megs which seems a bit large for a black-and-white PDF of a 131 page book.  I know I've seen much bigger books as much bigger files.  Whenever I try to compress it, though, it ends up really ruining the image quality.  Anyone had advice and/or want to just do it for me so I don't have to?

Hi, everyone.  It's that time of year again -- time for the Third Annual Flat Earth Society Winter Charity Drive (or the TAFESWCD as it's affectionately referred to)!  Over the past two years, we've helped raise over $250 for animal welfare charities.  This is in line with the long-standing tradition of animal welfare and anti-vivisectionist ideals within the Flat Earth movement from prominent Flat Earth advocates such as Lady Blount and Marjory Johnson.

The fundraising page will be on Virgin Money Giving's site.  It's similar to JustGiving -- the site we used last year -- but the commission rates seem to be slightly lower, so more money goes to the charity.  The page for our drive is:

This year, our chosen charity is Nuzzlets, an organisation based in the UK which rescues and cares for animals.. with a twist!  Nuzzlets invites children to visit and interact with the rescued animals -- particularly children who are disabled, terminally ill or have special needs.  The animals serve as a sort of therapy for kids who have some very difficult problems to deal with in their everyday lives.  And if the children can't visit the animals, the animals will visit the children in local hospices.

Nuzzlets is a small organisation doing very good work to help both animals and kids.  We here at the Flat Earth Society hope you will help support Nuzzlets this holiday season.  As a small token of our appreciation, anyone donating ?10 (about $15) or more will get a lifetime email address at  Anyone donating ?20 (about $30) or more will also receive a thank-you pack of Flat Earth Society badges, stickers, etc.

Now, raising $250 over the past couple of years is nothing to sneeze at, but I want to make it sneezable this year by raising even more.  The Society has gained quite a bit of notoriety over the past couple of years -- newspaper articles, online magazine articles, etc -- and I think we should put that notoriety to use for a great cause.  So donate if you can.. and tell people!  I know a lot of people see the Society as being a bunch of fringe loonies, but that could actually work to our advantage in this case.  If people donate to get their names on the fundraising page ironically or as a joke or whatever, that's fine with me!  It's still money going to a good cause.  We've got a huge community on here and it would be great to see you guys spreading the word -- Facebook, Twitter, MySpace, any way you can.  

I'll post banners and buttons in this thread if anyone thinks they'd be useful.

Announcements / New interview on a Brazilian website!
« on: October 02, 2010, 10:17:00 AM »
I was interviewed on Thursday night by a Brazilian journalist from which, as near as I can tell, is a Brazilian technology news website.  The article/interview was put online yesterday.  The journalist was very pleasant and we spoke for about 30 minutes.  There was a bit of confusion at first because she was asking me questions about the parody site.. but once we sorted that out, it was a nice conversation.  She seemed relieved that she wasn't talking to someone who claims to have infiltrated the Wisconsin prison system with pro-Flat Earth propagandists posing as guards and Pepsi machine repairmen.  Anyway, the article is in Portuguese but I'll post a Google translation after the link for anyone who's interested.  The translation isn't great but the gist of it seems right.

SAO PAULO - Daniel Shenton is 33, an American living in London, graduated in architecture from Virginia Tech and has quiet and paused speech.

He believes in evolutionary theory and global warming. Has, in his own words, "a good orthodox view of things" - except when it comes to planet Earth.

Shenton is president of the Flat Earth Society, an organization that defends and tries to explain that we live indeed in a great record, with the sun and moon turning over our heads.

Yes, the little blue ball in space that we used to call home is not round, does not revolve around the sun and could not even be considered a planet. Also according to the FES, this whole idea that the earth is round is part of a great travesty that has been hidden for centuries. But let's put the share.

The company headed by Shenton was officially founded in 1957. Before that, however, was called "Universal Zetetic Society. "We currently have 173 members, but more than 30 000 people participate in our online discussion forums," he says. The web is the primary tool group for disseminating their ideas.

According to Shelton, the former president had a much more religious and a posture of 'preaching' of ideas and stronger than his. "Personally, I do not do this for any religious conviction, and not believe in converting anyone. We provide the information and would like people to consider what you read. "

On the website of the entity there are many texts explaining how it would be possible to observe all the natural phenomena (sunrise and sunset, changing stations, etc.) in a flat earth. Basically, the Earth would be a large flat disk, with the north pole located right in the center and the Antarctic as forming a ring of ice around the edges, which would prevent the ocean to "fall".

The sun and moon, both spherical, would turn over our heads, and the change of season would be caused by increasing the size of the "Circle" of the Sun (see illustration below). Since both the Sun and the Moon would be relatively small, day and night would be created simply when the sun illuminates an area or not.

"There are many hypotheses, but we ourselves have no definitive theory on how the whole works," says Shelton. "I do not think believing in a flat earth eliminates the laws of physics. In relation to gravity, for example, I personally believe that the Earth and the rest of the heavenly bodies are rising at a speed of 9.8 meters per second. This would, we have the same effect of gravity on a round planet. "

All the incongruities in the flat-earth theory is apparently explained by the argument that there is a consolidated single idea, or that it is not known exactly how everything works.

Regarding the existence of space photos proving the roundness of the Earth, Shelton and other members of FES seem to have a very simple explanation: they are all a lie.

Illustration available on the company shows how the Sun and Moon revolve about the disk-to-earth.

London, Daniel Shelton spoke to Reuters Photo on Conspiracy Theories, historical hoaxes, and how, after all, did your interest in a flat Earth.

INFO Online - Have you learned in school that the earth was round?

Daniel Shelton-Yes

- And when he changed his mind?

- When I was in college (Virginia Tech), more or less at 19. I read a little about it and started looking for books about them.

"And today, you have an architect?

"I prefer to keep some parts of my life private... I have no problem talking about the Society, but do not like to involve, for example, co-workers about it ..

"You talk to your family and friends about it?

- Sometimes. They know what I think. I know I'm not going to convince them and they know they will not change my idea.  We agree to disagree.

- What part of the Earth is round does not make sense to you?

- I usually go to the beach and look at the ocean. He looks good plane ... And even gravity, among scientists, is much debated. What is it? What causes it? And the flat earth theory accelerating upward realize respond to all this, and it is even more enlightening.

- And how do you explain the pictures taken by NASA, for example, or many other space agencies, government ...?

- Are false.

- So it's all a fraud?

- The thing is so long that it would be a scandal too big for people in power. They lose credibility.

- In the past, people believed in a flat earth until a series of scientists Begins prove that our planet was round. What you're saying is that at some point, people in power realized that all these scientists were wrong and that the Earth was indeed flat - but you had to maintain the charade?

- Yes, because for most people it makes no difference. It is not important. What difference does it make in their lives, to go to the supermarket, for example? But for us, does ...

- But this farce would have to involve all governments in the world, to say the least ...

- I do not think that all governments need to be in conspiracy theory. Even NASA, if you think, not everyone is going to space to see how it really is. Not everyone will have access to data that show the truth. Only people in key positions. So, all you have to do is to move the view down the chain of command.

- So who would know everything? The president?

- The high command of NASA know. The U.S. president would not need to know ....

- You need to get a rocket to believe, then, that the Earth is round?

- I think when it becomes cheaper to get a rocket to space travel and the whole farce will come up. And that should happen soon, with new technologies ...

Announcements / Ideas for the 1-year anniversary of the Society's relaunch?
« on: September 15, 2010, 02:15:45 PM »
We're not far from the 1-year anniversary of the Society's official rebirth -- 30th October.  Does anyone have any ideas about how to celebrate the occasion.. and maybe grab a bit of publicity in the process?

Actually, I just had a good idea.  If any of you guys are musically inclined and read/play sheet music easily and have too much spare time, please email me ( for an exciting opportunity to do me (and the Society) a big favour for very little compensation!   An offer you can't refuse, surely!

Announcements / I'm on Twitter in case anyone's interested..
« on: June 03, 2010, 12:36:27 PM »
Wilmore's been very successfully running for some time now.  I've also decided to make the bold leap into 2008/2009 and set up my own Twitter account for updates about The Society, shipments of batches of stuff as well as the occasional restaurant recommendation, movie review or complaint about how load the local ice cream van is when I'm trying to sleep in on my week off.

So if you'd like to keep updated about that sort of thing, I'm danielshenton on there (

The ice cream van is very loud, by the way, and plays the Popeye theme song over and over.

Announcements / And now we're in Spain's largest newspaper!
« on: March 19, 2010, 03:45:49 PM »
A journalist from El Pais, Spain's largest newspaper, interviewed me by email last week and the resulting article was published today!  Here's a link:

I speak very little Spanish but I was able to run it through Google's translator:

The translated text was a bit awkward but, from what I can gather, the article was reasonably accurate.  I was very amused by Google translating Samuel Rowbotham's seminal work as, "The Earth Is A Globe".  Perhaps the conspiracy has reached Google itself! :)  The article also included a piece of artwork commissioned specifically for it:

And if there are any Spanish people visiting as a result of the article: hola!

Announcements / We're in The Guardian!
« on: February 23, 2010, 01:39:34 PM »

The story will run in tomorrow's issue of the print Guardian as well.  I did this interview a few weeks ago and wasn't sure anything would come of it, so I didn't really mention much on here.  But it's turned into a full-blown newspaper article!  I clearly didn't change Mr Adams' mind on the topic, but the article seems quite fair -- no misquotes or distortions of what I said.  This is by far the highest-profile coverage we've ever had and I'm very pleased.  Hopefully I did a suitable job of representing the Society.  It's a bit strange being interviewed in person like that..

Announcements / The next round of t-shirt/sweatshirt pre-orders..
« on: January 09, 2010, 04:40:36 PM »
Update: The second round of pre-orders has begun!  Visit the Earth Shop if you're interested in t-shirts or sweatshirts.[/b]

Now that all of the first round stuff is taken care of, I'm ready to do a second round.  Before I put the ordering page up, I wanted to get some feedback about what sorts of things people might want.  I'll definitely do t-shirts and pullover hoodies this time.  I've had about 10 emails from people asking about t-shirts, so I should easily be able to hit the minimum order.  Well, hopefully.  A few people asked about hoodies last time and I did add them, but only right at the last minute.  I'll also probably offer:

Ladies zip-up hoodies:

Ladies fitted crew-neck t-shirt:

'Ringer' t-shirts:

Does anyone have other suggestions?  

Announcements / Sorry about the downtime!
« on: January 01, 2010, 04:37:09 AM »
We ran over our bandwidth limit last night thanks largely to the extraordinary efforts of the search spider from MSN which ate up 9+ gigs of bandwidth in December.  I've put some blocks in place to hopefully prevent that from happening again this time.  Anyway, things are back to normal now and we shouldn't have any issues like that in the future.

Happy New Year!

I went to the British Library today to do some research and was able to get my hands on Lady Blount's book, Adrian Galilio, or a Song Writer's Story.  I only had time to read about 30-40 pages today, but it's an amazing piece of work.  I haven't read enough to really comment on the narrative in any real detail, but the structure of the book is bizarre and really, really creative.  The story is told as a mix of prose, poetry, song lyrics, theater (portions are written as a play) and sheet music.  I've never seen anything like it.  I've copied one passage from it and I'll be placing that in the Library later, but I thought this illustration was worth posting on its own.  Enjoy!

Announcements / Winter Charity Drive 2009 - Society for Abandoned Animals
« on: December 12, 2009, 04:26:14 AM »
It's nearing Christmas again and it's time for the Flat Earth Society's second annual Winter Charity Drive!  Keeping with our one-year tradition, the Society is attempting to raise money for an animal charity.  This is in line with the long-standing tradition of animal welfare and anti-vivisectionist ideals within the Flat Earth movement from prominent Flat Earth advocates such as Lady Blount and Marjory Johnson.  Last Christmas, the Flat Earth Society forums raised about $120 for animal shelters in Chicago and Baltimore. We hope to raise even more this year!

This year, the Flat Earth Society is raising money for the Society for Abandoned Animals, a UK-based animal welfare charity.  The SAA provide food, shelter and veterinary treatment for animals unwanted or abandoned by their owners, and to find them permanent, loving homes.

If you'd like to learn more, visit the Society's fundraising page at:

I've chosen (based in the UK) as a fundraising portal.  This is largely because of a government scheme called Gift-Aid which matches charitable donations with an extra 25%.  So a 10 donation becomes 12.50 and then JustGiving takes their fees from that, taking it to a total of about 11.90 -- still 1.90 more than the initial donation even after processing fees and whatnot.  The down-side is that Gift-Aid is only available if you're a UK resident/taxpayer.  Donations from outside the UK don't get that 25% bump.. although when I made my donation, it didn't really check to make sure that I was a UK resident.  It was just a little tick-box you which defaulted to 'Yes'.

I can't seem to embed it in a forums post, but there's a progress meter on the front page now which shows how much money has been raised so far.  Thanks to the anonymous person who already made a donation before I even announced it on here!  Nice!

Flat Earth General / I accidentally triggered a debate on Craigslist. Oops.
« on: November 18, 2009, 02:37:11 PM »
I posted an announcement about the re-launch of the Society on craigslist earlier tonight.  It got deleted and I asked why.  Now it's sparked a bit of a debate about Flat Earth Theory and differing views of science.  In case anyone is interested and/or wants to participate, it's here in the Science & Math forum:

Or you can go to that specific post here:

I'm DanielFES in there.  You probably would have figured that out anyway, though.

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