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Technology, Science & Alt Science / What if Adam lived for a Thousand Years

« on: January 15, 2015, 12:30:28 AM »

This is a quick one. What if there is true and genuine symbolism with the snake and the apple and Adam and Eve.

Was Eve a Lilith?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith

The Hebrew term Lilith or "Lilit" (translated as "night creatures", "night monster", "night hag", or "screech owl") first occurs in Isaiah 34:14, either singular or plural according to variations in the earliest manuscripts, though in a list of animals. In the Dead Sea Scrolls Songs of the Sage the term first occurs in a list of monsters. In Jewish magical inscriptions on bowls and amulets from the 6th century CE onwards, Lilith is identified as a female demon and the first visual depictions appear.

Why would "God" cast them out of the garden of Eden?

Could that be the first historical account of a slave revolt? Perhaps the slaves, who were empowered by God, cast them out?

Maybe they ate an apple or something that weakened their powers over the populace?

Maybe the snake is symbolic of the most ancient type of medicine. Snake venom.

Any thoughts on what the Adam and Eve story is Genuinely about?


Oh Oh... maybe Eve, used and apple, with snake venom, to poison Adam?


In any event, this is the interesting part about Liliths.

The "screech owl" translation of the KJV is, together with the "owl" (yanšup, probably a water bird) in 34:11 and the "great owl" (qippoz, properly a snake) of 34:15, an attempt to render the passage by choosing suitable animals for difficult-to-translate Hebrew words.


Later translations include:

night-owl (Young, 1898)
night-spectre (Rotherham, Emphasized Bible, 1902)
night monster (ASV, 1901; JPS 1917, Good News Translation, 1992; NASB, 1995)
vampires (Moffatt Translation, 1922)
night hag (RSV, 1947)
Lilith (Jerusalem Bible, 1966)
lilith (New American Bible, 1970)
Lilith (NRSV, 1989)
Lilith (The Message (Bible), Peterson, 1993)
night creature (NIV, 1978; NKJV, 1982; NLT, 1996, TNIV)
nightjar (New World Translation, 1984)
night bird (English Standard Version, 2001)

From http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=157

930 years
Therefore, however long Adam and Eve may have been in the garden, one thing is certain: they were not there for any time period that exceeded Adam's life span of 930 years. But there is additional information that must be considered as well. Genesis 4:25 explains that Seth was born after Cain slew Abel.

That guy has a PHD.

it is obvious that Adam and Eve could not have been in the Garden of Eden any longer than 130 years!


It is NOT Obvious. These things are massive. Adam could have been a missing link for anyone knows, a megafauna version of man, seriously. Unlikely, as it's more likely that the Garden of Eden if taken literally was the most optimal environment for human health. No allergies, and so on.

http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=157

Also known as the Arctic whale, the bowhead is by far the longest living mammal on Earth. Some bowhead whales have been found with the tips of ivory spears still lodged in their flesh from failed attempts by whalers 200 years ago. The oldest known bowhead whale was at least 211 years old.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/magazine/can-a-radical-new-treatment-save-children-with-severe-allergies.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

For nine years, the greatest challenge Kim Yates Grosso faced each day was keeping her daughter Tessa safe. Tessa was so severely allergic to milk, wheat, eggs, nuts, shellfish and assorted other foods that as a toddler she went into anaphylactic shock when milk fell on her skin.

In 2004, when she was 38, Nadeau found out she had a rare cancer — cancer of the T-cell — for which there were no effective therapies. (T-cells play a critical role in the immune system and, coincidentally, the T-cell dysfunction that leads to food allergies was already a focus of her research.) Life expectancy was only a couple of years.

I know it isn't exact science.

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The Lounge / How often do you guys ban people here?

« on: November 24, 2012, 07:52:59 AM »

How often do you guys ban people here?

I am just curious, as I have just been banned from another forum. It's like the 5th or 15th one in my lifetime, I just do not keep track. FB, you name it, just about everywhere, with the exception of Twitter and Youtube so far, and I say that with my fingers crossed.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / The Sun is Held together by Pressure

« on: September 14, 2012, 12:09:51 PM »

So I found this awesome video on cymatics from Hans Jenny in the 1960s. I believe he was a Swiss physicist.

The most remarkable thing about it is that it shows a pattern which is reminiscent of the Sun, with convection, and perhaps magnetic sun spots as well.

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So the immediate conclusion, once we can prove that the sun exists, is that gravity does not pull together hydrogen and other elements towards the center of the sun, but instead the solar system pushed inwards with unseen electro magnetic forces pushing the sun together into a giant ball of plasma.

Discuss

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Universe is made of Bendy Light

« on: August 25, 2012, 06:20:43 AM »

This is speculation based on a press release regarding the enhancement of a picture taken of deep space.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/jun/HQ_12-185_Spitzer_First_Objects.html

RELEASE : 12-185
 
 
NASA'S Spitzer Finds First Objects Burned Furiously
 
 
WASHINGTON -- The faint, lumpy glow from the very first objects in the universe may have been detected with the best precision yet using NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope. The objects could be wildly massive stars or voracious black holes. They are too far away to be seen individually, but Spitzer has captured new, convincing evidence of what appears to be the collective pattern of their infrared light.

The observations help confirm the first objects were numerous in quantity and furiously burned cosmic fuel.

"These objects would have been tremendously bright," said Alexander "Sasha" Kashlinsky of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., lead author of a new paper appearing in The Astrophysical Journal. "We can't yet directly rule out mysterious sources for this light that could be coming from our nearby universe, but it is now becoming increasingly likely that we are catching a glimpse of an ancient epoch. Spitzer is laying down a roadmap for NASA's upcoming James Webb Telescope, which will tell us exactly what and where these first objects were."

Spitzer first caught hints of this remote pattern of light, known as the cosmic infrared background, in 2005, and again with more precision in 2007. Now, Spitzer is in the extended phase of its mission, during which it performs more in-depth studies on specific patches of the sky. Kashlinsky and his colleagues used Spitzer to look at two patches of sky for more than 400 hours each.

The team then carefully subtracted all of the known stars and galaxies in the images. Rather than being left with a black, empty patch of sky, they found faint patterns of light with several telltale characteristics of the cosmic infrared background. The lumps in the pattern observed are consistent with the way the very distant objects are thought to be clustered together.

Kashlinsky likens the observations to looking for Fourth of July fireworks in New York City from Los Angeles. First, you would have to remove all the foreground lights between the two cities, as well as the blazing lights of New York City itself. You ultimately would be left with a fuzzy map of how the fireworks are distributed, but they would still be too distant to make out individually.

"We can gather clues from the light of the universe's first fireworks," said Kashlinsky. "This is teaching us that the sources, or the "sparks," are intensely burning their nuclear fuel."

The universe formed roughly 13.7 billion years ago in a fiery, explosive Big Bang. With time, it cooled and, by around 500 million years later, the first stars, galaxies and black holes began to take shape. Astronomers say some of that "first light" may have traveled billions of years to reach the Spitzer Space Telescope. The light would have originated at visible or even ultraviolet wavelengths and then, because of the expansion of the universe, stretched out to the longer, infrared wavelengths observed by Spitzer.

The new study improves on previous observations by measuring this cosmic infrared background out to scales equivalent to two full moons -- significantly larger than what was detected before. Imagine trying to find a pattern in the noise in an old-fashioned television set by looking at just a small piece of the screen. It would be hard to know for certain if a suspected pattern was real. By observing a larger section of the screen, you would be able to resolve both small- and large-scale patterns, further confirming your initial suspicion.

Likewise, astronomers using Spitzer have increased the amount of the sky examined to obtain more definitive evidence of the cosmic infrared background. The researchers plan to explore more patches of sky in the future to gather more clues hidden in the light of this ancient era.

"This is one of the reason's we are building the James Webb Space Telescope," said Glenn Wahlgren, Spitzer program scientist at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "Spitzer is giving us tantalizing clues, but James Webb will tell us what really lies at the era where stars first ignited."

Other authors are Richard Arendt of Goddard and the University of Maryland in Baltimore; Matt Ashby and Giovanni Fazio of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass.; and John Mather and Harvey Moseley of Goddard. Fazio led the initial observations of these sky fields.

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), Pasadena, Calif., manages the Spitzer Space Telescope mission for the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. Science operations are conducted at the Spitzer Science Center at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena. Data are archived at the Infrared Science Archive housed at the Infrared Processing and Analysis Center at Caltech. Caltech manages JPL for NASA.

For more information about Spitzer, visit:

The article mentions that all the stars, once removed reveals an infrared heat background.

Since the big bang occurred 13 Billion or so years ago, the universe has been steadily expanding ever since.

When peering into a tiny section of the Universe 13 Billion light years away, the concentration of stars is rather dense all things considered.

Here is the image.

http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/images/5172-ssc2012-08a-First-Structures-in-the-Distant-Universe






Is the universe made from Bendy Light?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / The Earths Water is Manufactered in the Clouds

« on: August 25, 2012, 05:53:45 AM »

Not sure if a thread has been started on this or not...

The Growing Earth Theory is an excellent illustration of how the world supply of water may have fluctuated over time. If you haven't seen it, it's worth a watch.

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The question asked most often regarding the theory is, "Where did all the water come from?".

This is true with current ( fixed earth ) theory as well. No one knows where the water came from.

It could be an extraterrestrial supply from ice comets, which may have occurred during the heavy bombardment period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Heavy_Bombardment

It could also be a primordial or terrestrial supply. One of the more recent reports from nasa is that anti-matter signatures are given off from storms.

http://www.space.com/10602-antimatter-beams-thunderstorms-nasa.html



If you are not aware of what sprite lightning is, this is a good quick video.


#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rare Lightning Sprites Caught On Camera | Video


There are also reports that the Swiss are using lasers to seed clouds with precipitation.

http://www.gizmag.com/swiss-cloud-seeding-laser-research/14982/


So... where did all the Earths Water supply come from? Is it a terrestrial supply created in the skys, or is it an extra-terrestrial supply from ice comets?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR)

« on: August 24, 2012, 11:28:06 PM »

This is a thread about ASMR which is reported my many including myself, starting as early as my youth. It's basically the science behind "tingles" in the brain. Some report Bob Ross as being a trigger, simply because of the slow pacing of his actions and his past popularity on Television, with a painting show.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Nootrophics

« on: February 21, 2009, 08:17:32 PM »

I am curious as to what people think of the claim that nootropics have cognitive enchancement capabilities.

This would imply that the brain is malleable and perhaps intelligence is strictly a chemical reaction and has less to do with education and training.

Your experiences, logical fallacy arguments, or opinions would be appreciated.

In particular... some claim that nootrophics have the capabilities to regenerate nerves in the brain and stimulate growth. However the results are largly inconclusive after what appears to be a few decades of research.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Life On Mars: Methane :

« on: January 17, 2009, 02:51:17 AM »

Nasa has found methane deposits on Mars.




This is an excellent video. At first I thought it was a creationist video. But it's not... It argues that it's impossible for life to have magically generated itself from a primordial soup on earth. It claims that life must have come from everywhere.

"Origin of Life 1. Life Came From Other Planets. Myth of the Organic Soup & Abiogenesis"

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Sub-Duction Does Not Exist

« on: October 26, 2008, 06:39:32 AM »

This is a map hosted at NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration). I have zoomed into the areas of interest.

The original map can be found here.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/ocean_age/data/2008/ngdc-generated_images/whole_world/2008_age_of_oceans_plates.jpg

The peer reviewed paper responsible for the map can be found here.

www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2007GC001743.shtml



It claims a two arc minimum latitudinal resolution. The age of the sea floor on both sides of a deep sea trench are the same age. Deep sea trenches are currently believed to be the area at which a plate sub-ducts under one another as illustrated in this picture here.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-arc_basin


One plate cannot be sub-ducting under the other if both sides of the sea floor running alongside the trenches are the same age. Conclusion. There is no subduction occurring at deep sea trenches.

Sub-Duction Map

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Gravity Source

« on: October 16, 2008, 09:18:24 PM »

Where is does gravity originate? On both a flat earth model and a round earth model.


It's the spin of matter which produces a gravity field correct?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Acharya S vs. Venom Fang X

« on: October 11, 2008, 04:28:20 PM »

Not sure if anyone follows the Christian/Atheist War but I found who was responsible for some of the information in part 1 of the zeitgeist.

Acharya S
Excellent Interview --- http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/acharya.htm

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5672009516679691710

http://www.truthbeknown.com/



This Venom Fang X guy has also uploaded a rebuttal video ( not his own work ) claiming all the work is based off the work of nazi's, homosexuals and satanists. Thought it may be of interest to some since they are two polar extremes.

Zeitgeist Exposed and Refuted




And the original in case no-one has seen it...
"Myth of Religion; The Solar Messiahs God's Sun Christ Horus"




Enjoy... If anybody has any "celebrities" which are worth knowing about. please share...

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The Lounge / Stock Market

« on: October 09, 2008, 09:56:35 PM »

I don't understand money and I don't claim that I ever had. But... if everybody sells all their stocks. Doesn't that just mean people who are rich will buy them up while they are low and come out on top in the end?

Is this a repeat of what is said to have happened in this movie?

"The History of the Federal Reserve"

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Solar Harmonics & Planetary Orbits

« on: October 09, 2008, 04:44:14 PM »

This seems completely logical. Is there anything which suggests it's impossible or wrong?


http://mountainman.com.au/news96_p.html

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / The Dark Ages.

« on: October 02, 2008, 12:45:19 PM »

The Dark Ages are generally accepted as originating from a scholar names Petrarch in the 1330's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrarch

If taken at face value the term Dark Age could quite literally mean a time when human kind, "was in the dark"

Some depict the end of the dark ages with the rise of Christianity and the fall of pagan culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tommaso.Laureti.Triumph.of.Christianity.jpg

"Triumph of Christianity" by Tommaso Laureti (1530-1602), ceiling painting in the Sala di Constantino, Vatican Palace. Images like this one celebrate the destruction of ancient pagan culture and the victory of Christianity."



Did the Christians burn all of previous histories knowledge in order to begin again?

http://www.askwhy.co.uk/christianity/0780Bookburning.php




The period after the Dark Ages is referred to the Renaissance when taken at face value could mean the beginning of scientific revival after it had previously been for the most part destroyed and replaced with Christian beliefs.

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Flat Earth Debate / International Terrestrial Reference Frame

« on: September 30, 2008, 07:31:35 PM »

The International Terrestrial Reference frame is a system which calibrates the earth to a fixed point in space.

Recently they have calibrated the system to Geo-Center as opposed to calibrating it to stellar objects. This apparently has led to the conclusion that the earth is 5mm smaller than previously thought.

Here is some of the raw data.

http://itrf.ensg.ign.fr/doc_ITRF/egu2007/Altamimi-egu_070417.pdf

Some people suggest the oscillations are evidence of seasonal thermal expansion. I would be interested in anyones thoughts on this subject.

Is this evidence for a round earth?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Bosnyian Pyramids

« on: September 28, 2008, 07:01:10 AM »

It would appear that worldwide recognition regarding the Bosnian Pyramids has happened at the first International Scientific Conference

http://www.philipcoppens.com/nap_icbp.html



Some of the Committee Members.

 On August 29, 2008, these were the conclusions the scientific conference reached. The Committee for Recommendation consisted of:
- dr. Nabil Swelim, Egyptologists and archaeologist, President of the ICBP 2008
- dr. Oleg Khavroshkin, geophysicist, Chairman of the ICBP Scientific Committee
- dr. Alaa Shaheen, archaeologist, Dean of the Faculty of Archaeology at the Cairo University
- dr. Hassan El-Saady, historian, vice-dean of the Faculty of Arts at the Alexandria University
- dr. Anna Pazdur, physician, Lab for the radiocarbon dating, Silesian University, Gliwice, Poland
- dr. Mona Haggag, archaeologist, Secretary of the Archaeological Society of Alexandria, Egypt
- dr. Ivan Šimatovic, President of the Organizational Committee, Croatia
- dr. Mostafa El-Abbadi, historian, Founder of the modern Library in Alexandria (Bibliotheca Alexandrina), Egypt
- Chris Norman, planner, Edinburgh, Great Britain
- Dr. Mohamed Ibrahim Aly, Egyptologist and archaeologist, Faculty of Art at the University Ein-Shams, Cairo
- Semir Osmanagic, Founder of the “Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun” Foundation and Vice-President of the ICBP 2008.




What portions of history and archeology may no longer be considered valid should this discovery reshape current knowledge of Europe's past?

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Electric Sun...

« on: September 26, 2008, 02:36:50 PM »

I didn't get in on the thread fast enough last time... BUT... if anybody is looking for an alternative model for the sun and how it works well look no further...

Plasma Cosmologist and Electrical Engineers seem to think the Sun is an electrical phenominon... not so much a fusion phenominon...

How the Sun Really Works.


I realize that people cannot imagine the sun being anything else but a huge nuclear blast furnace of sorts. I thought the same thing until I found out more Gamma Rays are being emitted from the Moon than the Sun. Go Figure...

Nasa Glast Press Release

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / The Moon is older than 4.6 billion years old...

« on: September 05, 2008, 03:42:50 PM »

The age of the moon can be determined to be much older than currently predicted if one is willing to make a few assumptions...

1) All lunar basalt eruptions are of the same composition and the age of the eruptions can be determined by radio decay of elements.

Lunar Mare Age Determination by Craterization....

The image below shows the near side of the moon which have been labeled as young surfaces due to their the thin coverage of impact basins while the far side is heavily cratered and thus assumed to be much older. The large mares are typically-4 / -6 km deep...




Thorium Half Life Decay...

The near side mares have a good amount of thorium in them while the far side mare has only very small coverage suggesting the thorium has extended it's half-life of 1.405·10^10 years and has turned to radium.



Conclusion... the far side mare is over 14 billion (14,050,000,000) years old...

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Expanding Earth

« on: September 04, 2008, 05:01:41 PM »

What if... the earth was flat... but then it grew?

The Growing Earth


A Possible explanation for expansion or growth.

Nuclear fission uranium core originally underneath but now at the center of the earth fuels the pair production process. Over time the fission process loses mass to energy reducing the overall gravitational constant of the earth allowing not only the planet to grow but to expand while heat escapes the earths crust causing mid-ocean rifting and nuclear volcanism. All types of matter are produced and ocean levels throughout history are a delicate balance of more matter and more ocean volume capacity.

"Nuclear Planet"
http://discovermagazine.com/2002/aug/cover

GPS systems have been calibrated to average out this growth across mountain uplift while minimizing plate motions. This explains why different GPS plate motion studies produce vastly different measurements. Glacial rebound measured at 1cm across most major continents due to the last ice age ending 10,000 years ago are in fact a growing phenominon and the recent buldges around the earths equator as detected by Nasa's Grace lead to the conclusion of a fattening earth as result of glacial rebound being accounted for.

Here's some history behind this theory...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanding_earth_theory

The wiki argues these five things against this thoery...

1. The existence of Wadati-Benioff zones...
Easily interpreted as rifting areas of crust.

2. Seismic tomography show cold zones of sinking material...
Easily interpreted as rift zones allowing water to seep further into the earth.

3. Eclogite in many mountainbelts indicates material was "pushed" to depths...
Recurvature of the earths crust forces material into it while expansion stretches the land out.

4. rocks that are now lying next to each other were originally thousands of kilometers apart...
Again... Re-curvature of the earth forces material downwards into the Earth.

5. Rare earth isotope compositions of volcanic rocks that formed above subduction zones are similar to those of sediments on top of the subducting plate.
And why wouldn't they be... the sediments come from volcanoes themselves...

Additionally, paleo-magnetic measurements in the 1970's were not only poor quality but failed to understand the nature of the earth's electromagnetic field to a degree where it could have refuted possible Earth growth or expansion...

"Geocentric axial dipole hypothesis: A least squares perspective"
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=16287341

"Sensitivity of the geomagnetic axial dipole to thermal core–mantle interactions"
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v405/n6782/full/405063a0.html

Your thoughts?




ADDITION:

Really I cannot do this because I don't have enough data. I don't have access to the data used for GPS systems and the equations used to calculate earth positions. I don't have the means to come up with data.

The first thing you have to understand is the Terrestrial Reference frame which is used to calibrate the position of the earth in the universe.

Some people calibrate the position relative to the stars and some will attempt to calibrate the system to a fixed point at the center of the earth for other reasons.

I have only started to learn about frame dragging and gravitomagnetism but I do believe it can effect calibration as well if the prediction of it's effect is true. It is a relativity prediction.

As far as I know the Very Long Baseline Interferometry (VLBI) system is the main satellites system to which all other GPS and other satellites services are calibrated to. As for Geologists... for the most part they take measurement relative from one station to the next and adjust for the curvature of the earth using Eulerian pole.

Nasa JPL has GPS data which is accessible. http://sideshow.jpl.nasa.gov/mbh/series.html

I trust this info first and foremost but I do understand that many geologists draw conclusions which are in conflict as to what this data set says. It is most likely due to relative vs absolute positioning and measurements, I am not sure.

People also argue that Gravimeter data has effectively been used to measure the size of the earth but they are spot measurements which often have to deal with atmospheric effects and natural uplift.

Post Glacial rebound is another phenominon caused by the recession of the 2-4 km ice sheet from the 30-40km thick upper continental crust 10,000 years ago. Something to consider.

This article may upset some as it has already been suggested as glacial melt and mentioning it here might suggest that it's some sort of proof when it is not. In any event the gravity bulge is something to consider when examining the dynamics of earth.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/08/0807_020807_earthgirth.html

Again... JPL has nice gravity maps. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/2003/103.cfm

Paleo-Magnetism is essentially which turned the paradigm back in the seventies. Here is the paper which refuted it.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v271/n5643/abs/271316a0.html

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=16287341

From the same author recently. The GAD is the substructure system which all paleo-magnetic measurements are made. Additionally there are paleo-tide studies which if I am not mistaken have been used for gravitational constants proof.

More Paleo Papers and Info.

http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2005AM/finalprogram/abstract_97425.htm

http://geomag.usgs.gov/movies/

James Maxlow Geologist PHD... has Paleo-Radius models calibrated to a small earth on display in the Geological Museum of the Polish Geological Institute. He seems to have done work with Paleo-Magnetism.

http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/launchpad/6520/QUANTITATIVE-MODELING.html



As for mechanisms. Pair production has been reproduced in the lab and it is recognized as a matter generation mechanism which could be occurring elsewhere in nature. ( I do not have the knowledge regarding particle physics to understand this in full ). Something like two high energy photons are capable of creating a Proton and Anti-Proton result.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2003hep.ex....6017L

Another Person to watch is Frank Wilczek  who seems to have theories regarding the origins of mass. He is a Nobel laureate and he has said his  theories will be tested at the LHC...

http://www.frankwilczek.com/Wilczek_Easy_Pieces/342_Origin_of_Mass.pdf



Someone else to watch is... J. Marvin Herndon PHD Nuclear Physicist who has theorized fission processes happening at the earths core. He has geology theories as well regarding the expansion of the earth due to decompression. I am not a big fan of his sub-duction model but his georeactor theory has merit. I am not sold on an Uranium core but I am nearly sold on the idea of Natural Fission reactors in and around the core or mantle somehow influencing earths radioactivity and heat. KamLand is searching for Geo-Neutrinos.

http://discovermagazine.com/2002/aug/cover

For a list of his papers...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Marvin_Herndon



IN any event.. these people seem to have done a good job of analyzing some of the methods mentioned above.

http://pecny.asu.cas.cz/cedr/download/Bajgarova_Kostelecky.pdf?PHPSESSID=10c87abce3666cd84fe4b01b9f969a46



The Japanese have an excellent map of the Moon... It has mountains too... so whatever mechanisms on earth which are causing those mountains... something without the assistance of plate tectonics and sub-duction are possibly building those ones...

http://www.jaxa.jp/press/2008/04/20080409_kaguya_e.html

Mercury is also a planet which has been recognized as cooling. So this besides the Sun are two bodies which have changed size regardless of accretion theory alone. Jupiter is another planet of interest regarding accretion theory.

Mercury...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/07/03/scimercury103.xml

"Does the Sun Shrink with Increasing Magnetic Activity?"
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2001astro.ph..1473D

Jupiter
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=how-does-a-planet-grow

On that note... This is a very interesting development in GPS measurements. Who knows... Maybe the planet is currently shrinking? Personally... if there is matter generation occurring within the earth then I would be partial to a fluctuating earth... This would help solve some of the non-conformities and pre jurassic orogeny events.

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=63519



The first thing to think about when choosing to do battle with a scientific debtor are these doctrines. They are often used as the rulebook for academic debates foremost and to mis-understand these principles will result in any real information you have being dismissed while your credibility or logic is attacked.

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/logicalfallacies.asp

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html

It is not worth arguing anything with people who know more about theoretical physics, geology, and astronomy than you do. Your only option is to learn and accept everyones paradigm with a grain of salt... :eyebrow: