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Flat Earth Debate / What do you see ?

« on: August 17, 2020, 09:56:29 PM »

Thank you Space Cow GIrl for letting me get back.
I have enjoyed just reading comments but would have liked to reply.

I am not planning to enter into any more debates and get into any more trouble.
In the future I am not going to post any more RE replies.
If you want any, meet me on another website.
If persons want to debate, so be it. I'll leave that to the likes of "RE's" like "rabinoz" and "FE's" like "wise". More power to y'all !

I am just going to try to learn a bit more about Flat Earth by asking questions.

#1- If you were 6 feet tall,  standing on the shore,  with the sea water lapping at your feet,  and looking out on the ocean,  what would you see and how far would you be able to
 see ?

#2 - If you were 6 feet tall, standing in the crow's nest , 100 feet above the sea , on a ship in the middle of the sea, what would see and how far would you be able to see ?
On the surface of the sea, that is ?

I know from experience what I have seen and how far I could see,.  but I would like to see some replies from both "Round  Earthers" and "Flat Earthers" as to just what they would see and  just how far they could see things on the surface of the sea that they have observed personally.

I am not going to debate anything. I am just going into the "Observer Only" mode.
And also you might consider this the "Learning Only " mode.

Cheers!
"robintex"

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Flat Earth General / Seeing Polaris and Southern Cross

« on: May 26, 2020, 03:37:13 PM »

If the Earth is flat .:
(1) Why can't you see the Southern Cross in Alaska or Canada ?
(3) Why can't you see Polaris in Sydney or Johannesburg  ?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Changing User Name

« on: May 06, 2020, 09:23:38 PM »

Can I change my "User Name" ?

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Flat Earth Debate / The Horizon as proof that the Earth is not a "Flat Earth"

« on: May 06, 2020, 12:55:01 PM »

I have read the "Flat Earth" explanations regarding the Horizon but I would like to see some replies from Flat Earth Believers personally in regard to how they would respond to the following "Round Earth" explanation.

The Horizon is the easiest and most obvious evidence that the Earth is not a "Flat Earth" because.(This is best seen from a ship at sea, on a clear, calm sunny day with no land in sight.)
(1) The horizon is a distinct line where sea and sky appear to meet.
(2) You can only see objects at sea as far as that horizon.
(3) The distance you can see to the Horizon is limited to your height above the sea level.
(4) If a person of average height was standing at sea level he could only see about 2 or 3 miles to the Horizon.
(5) If a person was standing in the Crow's nest on a ship, 100 feet above sea level, he could see about 12 miles to the Horizon.
(6) The distance is easily computed from a simple equation , based in the curvature of
the Earth , which is : The distance which the person can see to the Horizon (in miles) is equal to the product of 1.24 times the square root of the observer above sea level (in feet) as illustrated in (4) and (5).

I am interested in any "Flat Earth" replies.

I have been off these forums for some time. I will leave any debate to "rabinoz" and others.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Problems on getting answers from FE's on questions about FE

« on: July 16, 2019, 10:24:11 AM »

I see a previous thread has been closed.
But I got warnings and bans apparently for persisting in asking for answers to my questions and not getting answers.
This was in particular in regard to my questions about the horizon on a flat Earth.
In particular was in regard to how the horizon would look on a flat Earth , where it would be, and how you would estimate the distance to the horizon on a flat Earth.
I posted answers for how this was done on the " Round Earth " but never got any specific FE answers.

So my question is this ?
If an RE asks questions for FE's and never get answers,  should they just abandon the efforts and not persist in keeping on asking questions or just consider that FE can not answer their questions and stop asking questions.

The horizon should definitely be different on a flat Earth,  but how ?
Once again. :
 There is a difference between "round earth" and "flat Earth".
There is the curvature on a "round earth" but none on a "flat Earth."
Distances , estimates, etc. are based on the curvature of the earth.
But how would these be for a flat Earth ?

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Flat Earth Debate / Horizon on a flat earth

« on: June 27, 2019, 10:45:01 AM »

No dought this subject has been covered at length on past forums, but I am having trouble locating sources for information , both on topics on forums, the flat Earth wiki and The Sacred Texts.
But I am interested in the Subject of "Horizon On A Flat Earth" with explanations of it.

So if you could point to me to some sources, it would be appreciated.

My questions are the following.:
Assuming the earth is flat.
You are on a ship in the middle of the ocean , far from land.
(1) What is the flat Earth definition of the horizon ?
(2) What does the horizon look like on the flat Earth ?
(3)  How far away from you, the observer, does the horizon appear to be ?
(4) How would you estimate the distance for you , the observer ,  to where the horizon appears to be ?
(5) Can I see the Ice Wall from the ship as in the location I have mentioned , or is it beyond the horizon ?

I am fairly familiar about the subject, but only on "RE" answers  ,  but  I am interested in " Flat Earth  Answers" .
I won't list my "RE Answers", but of course, any others who are "RE's" are free to do so.

If I have missed something please ,help me locate my errors

Thank you in advance , Flat Earth Believers.
Surely some, or many, FE''s have had the same opportunities for observing the horizon as I have had , either from ships at sea or from the shore or the beach on land ?
 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New to flat earthers. A question

« on: March 22, 2019, 08:44:13 PM »

I suppose I am a bit simplistic and try to stay out of the deeper discussions on these forums.

But I suppose I have had just too much  '' indoctrination '' ,studies and experience to know the earth is the shape of a sphere and all these flat earth ideas are at least some of the biggest bits of nonsense I have ever encountered .
I can think of a lot more....the horizon of how it really is on the ''RE'' and how it would be if  it was on. the ''FE'' for a start .
But I'll just leave it that for now. LOL

Since John Davis is on this thread I would like to ask him my simple questions.:
I have seen some answers but I would like to hear what Mr. Davis has to say on the subject since he seems to be  at least one of the more dedicated "Flat Earth Believers" experts .

(1) What is the definition of the horizon on a Flat Earth ?
(2) Where is the horizon on a Flat Earth ?
(3) How far is the horizon from an observer and how would you estimate that distance ?


So far all I have gotten in replies.........none  !
(I will admit that the learned Sir Samuel Birley Rowbotham must have had the information if anyone should know.)

I have also looked out to sea from the West coast of the United States of America looking out on the Pacific Ocean, on the East coast looking out on the Atlantic Ocean  and from the south coast looking out on the Gulf of Mexico .And  I have made three ocean trips from the West coast of  the U.S.A. to Japan . So I can give you my answers to my questions as far as "RE" is concerned.


Here is my idea of a flat Earth. Say you were a six feet tall (that's rather short I know. LOL) Basketball player standing in the center of the gym. The floor of the gym is flat - that's the sea. The Basketball  hoops are at the end of the courts - the ....say North and South coasts of the sea. The seats on either side of the gym are the East and West coasts of the sea. The persons on the front rows are the beaches and coasts. Those on the back rows are the hills and mountains of the lands. That is how I think the Earth would look to  you if you were on a ship in the middle of the ocean if the earth was flat. Maybe the walls could be the ice ring ?

Of course if the earth was flat you should be able to see the ice ring from anywhere on the sea. That is, you should be able to see the ice ring if it wasn't for the thickness of the atmoplane .

But folks ......Jest  from mah own............
experience ...........it ain't  jest thataway on tha ray ul  earth........The sea curves away from you  in all directions. The Earth  is a Globe ! LOL. I had to speak in a little Texanese......sorry........LOL

Also kindest regards to everyone reading this who has had the patience to do so........FE and RE.  :-)

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Flat Earth General / Opinions in flat or round earth in persons with pesent or former naval service ?

« on: January 21, 2019, 10:09:00 PM »

I'm posting this purely out of curiosity.

Āre there any persons on this website who are presently serving or have served in the Navy at one time  (I'm thinking of the United States Navy,  but this could include any other country's Navy, or for that matter any person who is serving or has served in any kind of naval service, military or civilian) who has a definite opinion of whether the earth is flat - that is , a flat disc centered on the North Pole with the ice ring surrounding the rim of this flat disc  or  ;  if  in their opinion, the earth is a spherically shaped planet which orbits around a sun ?

This is intended just a curiosity as to why a person would be  of one opinion or the other and the reason for their opinion of one or the other.

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Flat Earth Debate / Horizon on a flat earth

« on: December 27, 2018, 01:41:32 PM »

There is really no debate about the shape of the earth of the earth being a globe...in reality, that is.
Or what the horizon is , where it is, and how to estimate the distance to it on the globe.
I know all the answers to the above from personal experience.

But this is a question I have frequently asked and haven't received any replies for the horizon on a flat earth.
The reason I ask is from what I have read the distance you can see on a flat earth is limited by the thickness of the atmoplane since there is no curvature of the earth as there is on the globe. Would you see a horizon on a flat earth ?

Could a flat farther please post an explanation for the horizon on a flat earth to clear up my confusion ?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Reply to warning

« on: September 22, 2018, 08:24:10 AM »

How do I reply to a warning from "The Flat Earth Society" ?
I tried that as a return address, but it wouldn't go.

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Flat Earth General / Just Curious

« on: September 12, 2018, 10:26:55 PM »

I could make this a poll.
But I'll just ask 2 questions :
(1) How many flat earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?
(2) How many round earthers have ever visited an astronomical observatory ?

Any comments ?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Causes for banning, etc.

« on: September 12, 2018, 01:42:55 PM »

I am still a little confused about the reasons for my frequent bannings for "spam".
But they do give me some time to take a break from all this foolishness . LOL.
Thanks, and I do mean that......and I do mean that.....seriously !
But......I have noticed far worse comments.

One question. :
Several times I have noticed a flat earth related question question but no reply was posted.
I know most of the flat earth answers , but would it be a cause for banning if a "round earther" such as myself posted the usual flat answer with no round earth comments ?
For example : "The moon and the sun are both 3000 miles above the earth and 32 miles in diameter."
Maybe that wasn't a good example ?
There seems to some....if only a little of.....disagreement amongst flat earthers on those figures.
Or answers only permitted from flat earthers ?

And finally.....It's just my IMHO.....This website would be doing a great favor if it would just be truthful and have a disclaimer of :
"Of course it is a well known fact , and his been known for centuries, that the earth is the shape of a round globe and most certainly not the shspe of  a flat disc.
 But the purpose of this website is for discussions and debates on the subject of "What are the ideas on the subject of 'What if the earth was in the shape of some other  form ?' ".

Are the true ...."round earth"..facts permitted on just the debate section ?

Why not just be honest,  or is this website just intended to be just one more "spoof" website on the internet just for the fun, entertainment, debate, etc. ?
As many statements you see on the Internet say : "It is either one big hoax or one big joke."
I think it would be more fun as suggested and eliminate all..or at least some of..... the nasty comments.
I could be wrong, of course.
Just an idea.

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Flat Earth Debate / The Horizon On A Flat Earth

« on: July 14, 2018, 09:17:29 AM »

I've asked this question several times before.
But I have never gotten any answers
Soooo..........
I'll give it one more try.

How do you compute an estimate of the distance to the horizon on a flat earth ?

I know it works and how it works on a "Round Earth"
Lookouts have checked their estimates and found them very close to the radar..

Round earth :  An estimate of the distance to the horizon (in miles) is equal to the product of a constant (1.2 or 1.5, depending on taking into any effects of refraction or other atmospheric conditions) times the square root of the height of the observer (in feet)

d=1.2 (square root of h)
For a lookout  in the crow's nest 80 feet above the waterline,  the horizon would appear to be about 10.8 miles from the lookout.

At least that's the way it works in the U.S. Navy.

I really don't have a clue as to how you would compute this on a flat earth.
There is no curvature on a flat earth, so there is no reference point.
That's why I am asking.

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Flat Earth Debate / "Round Earth" Approach For "Flat Earth" Answers

« on: June 25, 2018, 03:57:44 PM »

A suggestion for approach by a "Round Earther" for "Flat Earth" answers. :
Rather than state any "Round Earth" facts,  examples and samples , just ask for "Flat Earth" answers......examples  and samples, etc.  to questions.

For example.:
(1) Where would the horizon be on a flat earth ?
(2) How would you compute an estimate of the distance to the horizon on a flat earth ?
(3) Show an example of this with actual numbers, etc.

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The Lounge / Greetings

« on: December 25, 2017, 10:20:22 PM »

 Merry Christmas To All
And To All A Good Night !

(All FE's and all RE's included)   :-)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Most Ridiculous Thing A FE Has Said To Prove A Flat Earth

« on: October 31, 2017, 01:50:58 PM »

I am posting this in this "Debate" section to avoid any possibilities of problems in postings in the other sections.

IMHO this concept or experiment could be performed with a laser beam aimed across the lake to avoid the posibility of the sag if the fishing line was  used.

I will leave the details to those who want to further explore the geometry of the setup and  the expected and actual results to prove the earth was flat or round, but they should be obvious.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Questions about Q&A

« on: October 29, 2017, 06:29:59 PM »

Mr Question? Needs Proof! This is not the debate forum. If you have questions about FET, ask them. If you have FE answers to questions that have been asked, give them. Do not try to start debates in this section of the forum.

I have a question.
I have been banned quite frequently for "improper use of the Q&A Section."
As best as I can dertermine this was for posting RE facts on the Q&A Section.
As best as I can determine posting RE facts is only permitted on the Debate Section.
The reason for this question is there are questions on lunar and solar. eclipses on another topic but no flat earther has responded.
Can I post flat earth things such as the size and distance of the moon and the sun,  the explanation of eclipses such as the dark object, erc. if I make no reference to round earth facts or debate intended.
Are flat earth things only permitted from flat earthers or can round earthers post them if there seems to be no response from flat earthers ?
Are round earth facts permitted any where on this website ?
Are they permitted on the Debate section ?
Just trying to stay out of trouble !
I have been banned permanently on the tfes.org website. It all seems to be for  posting round earth facts in the Q&A section.
Are only flat earth things permitted on the Q&A section ?
This is your website and you can make your own rules of course as to the above.

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Flat Earth Q&A / J.S. Christopher and Gleason's Map

« on: October 11, 2017, 06:05:38 PM »

I'm putting this in the Q&A Section since I have been trying to find some information on J.S. Christopher, but haven't had much luck so far.

Gleason's Map is listed as being "From a projection by J.S. Christopher , Modern (sic) College, Blackheath , England."

So my "Question" is and I'm looking for the "Answer" to the following. :

Does anyone have any information on his background in cartography and/or his connection with Gleason's Map ?

The only information I have been able to find is listed is in another thread.
("Gleason's New Standard Map Of The World"  in the "Flat Earth General" section of the forum on this website.)

Maps are one of my interests and I would really like to know if there any other maps of Christopher's besides the Gleason's Map ?

Gleason probably had a very good reason for this note on his map in reference to Christopher ?

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Flat Earth Debate / If a Round Earther pretended to be a Flat Earther.....And Vice- Versa

« on: October 04, 2017, 01:46:36 PM »

It has been suggested that instead of the continuous bickering, maybe Round Earthers should contribute some Flat Earth ideas in a friendly manner. So here goes my try.

Let is suppose we are on a Navy ship, in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, headed to and sailiing to the Ice Ring.
We have reached a point where we are between Africa and South America.
The Navy has some very powerful telescopes on some of their ships.
Dead Ahead we should see the Ice Wall.
Dead Astearn, we should see Greenland, North America and Europe.
Off to Starboard we should see South America
Off to Port, we should see Africa

Shouldn't we be able to see all of this from our ship iif we had the powerful enough telescope or binoculars and it wasn't obscured by that pesky atmoplane ?

Remember, there is no curvature on a flat earth to limit how far we could see.

Granted, Moderators, you are perfectly free to delete this, or put it in CN.

But it is intended as just something to think about.
Wouldn't all this be true if the earth was flat ?

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Flat Earth General / The Problem With Round Earthers

« on: September 23, 2017, 01:20:32 PM »

The problem with some, if not many, "Round Earthers" is that they have been indoctrinated, brainwashed and/or deluded into belieiving that the earth is some spherical,  or globe shaped planet, however very slightly "oblate" or "pear shaped "it might be. Most of their belief is based on the fallacy of some fantasy called "the curvature of the earth." Of course, the earth is flat and there is one of this "curvature" at all !
 
They base their belief on lies which they call "facts and/or evidence" , a few examples of which are the following.:

The horizon, which is said to be the imaginary point were land or sea appears to meet the sky, :
The distance to this so-called "horizon" may be estimated by a simple magical formula.
A person standing at sea level, and looking out to sea is said to "see" the horizon at some 2 or 3 miles in the distance.
A person standing in a crow's nest, 90 or 100 feet above sea level, is said to be able to see some 10 or 12 miles in the distance.
Persons who are lookouts in the United States Navy , for just one example, have been taught that this is true.
But so they say.
But of course this is just a lie and part of the conspiracy to hide the fact that the earth is flat.

They have also been so affected that even though that they believe that when they see only the top masts of a ship approaching them from a distance at first instead of seeing the whole ship for the whole time this is a result of this "curvature."








There are also those who work on subjects as the maximum range of some shipboard navy radars (The SG-1b Navy Radar System, for example)and those who work on the maximum spacing between repeater stations on a radar microwave system (used by the Federal Aviation Administration in The United States Of America for example ) base their lies on this "curvature" fallacy.

Just one more (of many more "Round Earth Lies") are from a group of amateur radio operators who claim to have performed a thing called "Moon Bounce."
They have claimed to have transmitted signals aimed at the moon !. LOL
They claimed to have received these signals back on earth after "bouncing them off the moon !
They claim that they have  estimated the distance to the moon from the earth as some 238, 150  miles.
Of course the distance is 3000 miles.
There are many other reason why these are just lies.
It would take an antenna the size of a football field to do this.
And of course, these people whose main activity is talking to truckers.
And just amateurs !

Just a few "Round Earth Lies"-versus-"Flat Earth Truths."

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Suggestions & Concerns / Logging Out

« on: September 10, 2017, 09:00:15 AM »

When I click on logout, I do not logout, but get my profile instead.

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The Lounge / New www.flatearthsociety.org website

« on: April 27, 2017, 10:23:35 PM »

Has anyone checked out a new "www.flatearthsociety.org" website ?
Notice it does not include "the" in its title.
It seems to be a work in progress.
Is it associated with "The Flat Earth Society"  ?

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Flat Earth Debate / A Question-No Debate

« on: April 01, 2017, 09:11:41 PM »

jroa said this belonged in the debate section, but I don't intend to debate the answer.

 Question:
How do you estimate the distance to the horizon on a flat earth.....equations , examples, etc. ?
Just looking to see how it's done on a flat earth.
Your answer will be accepted without any debate.

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Suggestions & Concerns / What is considered grounds for banning ?

« on: March 31, 2017, 09:22:33 AM »

 I have been banned several times,
Was it for posting something in the Q&A section that should be in Debate ?
Was it for repeating the question too many times ?
Or for some other reason ?

Here is the problem.
I have been asking the question "How is the distance to the horizon estimated on a flat
earth ?"
I have given examples of how it is done on a round earth.
But I haven't been able to get a flat earth answer.
Should I just consider there is no flat earth answer and stop asking the question ?

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Flat Earth Debate / The Horizon On A Flat Earth

« on: March 26, 2017, 09:22:59 PM »

I've been banned on the other fe website for asking these questions.:

On a flat earth , what is the definition of the horizon, where is the horizon, and how would you estimate the distance to the horizon ?
No debate.
Would just like some answers.
No luck so far.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Logging Out Problem

« on: February 08, 2017, 08:56:10 PM »

 I don't know whether it just my computer's problem or not........but... .when I click on logout, I don"t logout but get my profile.
I'm using a Samsung Nook.
Login works OK.
No problem on login or logout on the other FES website or other websites.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Logging Out Problem

« on: December 24, 2016, 10:27:41 AM »

When I try to log out and tap on log out, I can not log out and my profile comes up ?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Suggestion For Showing Evidence Of The Ice Ring

« on: August 24, 2016, 06:08:25 PM »

It would seem this would be an easy way for flat earth to show evidence of the ice ring.

The southern poimts of Africa, South America and Australia are not that far from the ice ring according to the most common flat earth  map. There is nothing between them and the ice ring but the flat ocean....no obstructions.

With all the latest telescopes , cameras, film and means to eliminate fog , haze and other atmospheric conditions it should not be difficult to take pictures of the ice ring without actually going to the ice ring itself.If all the pictures showed a continuous ice ring it would provide evidence that the earth is flat.

Why hasn't the flat earth done this ?

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Flat Earth General / Work, Hobbies and Other Outside Interests Of Flat Earth Believers

« on: August 11, 2016, 10:32:10 AM »

What of these listed in the subject have had an influence on the beliefs of flat earthers ?

Do they have any hobbies or outside interests other than their belief that the earth is flat ? 

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Suggestions & Concerns / Changing signature line ?

« on: July 26, 2016, 06:31:18 PM »

Is there any way I can change my signature line ?