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Flat Earth Debate / Comparing Stellar and Lunar Spectra
« on: March 19, 2019, 05:07:10 PM »
If moonlight is reflected sunlight, then we would expect the spectra of moonlight to be very similar to the spectra of sunlight, except  red-shifted. But when we compare these spectra, we see instead that they actually are very similar, except for the lunar spectra being red-shifted. How can this be if moonlight is reflected sunlight?

Flat Earth Debate / Where do the birds fly?
« on: March 16, 2019, 09:45:51 PM »
In the RE model, some birds fly south for the winter. In the FE model, where do those birds fly?

Flat Earth Debate / Back Side of the Moon
« on: March 12, 2019, 10:16:58 AM »
When airplanes fly overhead, as they are coming toward us we see the front of the plane and after it passes us overhead and goes away from us we see the back of the plane.

How is it that we always see the same side of the Moon coming and going?

Flat Earth Debate / Stellar Spectra?
« on: March 12, 2019, 10:14:43 AM »
When starlight is passed through a prism the spectrum of light isn't continuous, but rather has a series of dark lines superimposed on it which can be observed and documented with a spectroscope. Each dark line indicates a particular chemical element or molecule which is present in the reaction which is causing the light to be emitted. The line strength indicating the abundance of that element. The strengths of the different spectral lines vary mainly due to the temperatures of the emitting source.

Hot solid objects produce light with a continuous spectrum, hot gases emit light at specific wavelengths, and hot solid objects surrounded by cooler gases show a near-continuous spectrum with dark lines corresponding to the emission lines of the gases.

By observing the spectra of starlight it is seen that although there are many stars, there are only a small number of distinct patterns in their spectral lines. This leads to the Morgan-Keenan (MK) system classifications used by astronomers: O, B, A, F, G, K, and M, a sequence from the hottest (O type) to the coolest (M type) and is illustrated in the Hertzprung-Russell diagram which groups the spectral types of stars by magnitude, luminosity, and temperature.

Analysis of the spectra of sunlight demonstrates that it matches the characteristics of G type stars. The standard scientific explanation for this match is that the Sun is a star.

What is the Flatlander position on this? Is the Sun a star? If so, then why are all the other stars so small? If not, then why does sunlight share the same characteristics as starlight from G type stars?

Flat Earth Debate / Explanation of meteors?
« on: March 06, 2019, 08:55:16 AM »
Occasionally, objects "fall" from the sky to the Earth. These objects (meteors) are usually rocks of some kind with a high iron content. In the FE model, where do meteors come from? Are these pieces of the sky dome, or perhaps pieces of the Sun or Moon, which have crumbled off? Or maybe they are separate objects circling around up in the sky along with the Sun and Moon and then for some reason move towards the Earth?

Flat Earth Debate / Beyond the horizon of sunlight?
« on: March 01, 2019, 01:32:12 PM »
As we know about perspective, things at a distance appear smaller than things which are closer. So if the Sun is very far away its size could become too small to see it. And as things get farther away they appear to move down to the horizon. But since the Earth is flat, the Sun can't go beyond or below the horizon.

On a very dark night, away from all city lights, an unlit match is too small to see from even 1 mile away. But if the match is lit, it can then be seen. So light obviously doesn't obey the rule of perspective and the vanishing point of the horizon in this way. In fact light obeys the inverse square rule, instead.

Also, light has no maximum distance. In infinite space, light will keep going forever, but it does get dimmer the farther it goes. And light always travels in a straight line. Especially if there is no gravity to affect it!!!

So, in the FE model, we have nighttime in one part of the Earth because the Sun is so far away in the sky above another place on Earth that it is too small to be seen (due to perspective).

But how far the light from the Sun can be seen actually depends on the inverse square rule, not on perspective or the horizon at all.

Since the Sun is very very bright it can be seen from a very great distance. So we have two issues here. 1: How bright is the Sun, measured in candlepower, watts, or whatever, and 2: What is the diameter of the Flat Earth, at least to the Ice Wall around the edge of the Earth?

Knowing these two values, we can then use the inverse square rule to determine if the Sun is bright enough so that it's light can be seen from all locations on Earth at the same time. Or if it's not bright enough.

Have any FE scientists done these measurements and calculations? If so, please refer me to this data so I can check it out. This would be very useful to help convince other people about the FE.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Flat Earth Debate / Using radar to measure the distance to the Sun?
« on: March 01, 2019, 11:16:07 AM »
Why don't we use radar to find out how far away the Sun is? Radar is an acronym for "Radio Detection and Ranging." Ranging means to tell how far away is something. Airplanes use radar to tell how far away is the ground, or other airplanes in the sky, etc.

So, we should be able to settle once and for all how far away is the Sun. Just aim the radar at the Sun and see what the radar says. It's simple, no?

Also, at the hardware store they have the laser tape measure thingies. You just point it at something and it tells you how far away it is. I use this a lot in my job so I know it works pretty good. Of course, you would need a bigger more powerful one than what you can get at Ace Hardware store, but this shouldn't be too hard.

Another way, of course, is to just shoot a rocket up at the Sun and see how long it takes to get there.

Since the Sun isn't really millions of miles away it shouldn't take too long or be too hard to use radar or the laser tape measure things to find out how far the Sun is from the Earth!

I wonder, maybe someone already did this and have an accurate measurement of the distance from the Earth to the Sun? If so, where can I find this data, please?

Flat Earth Q&A / What is the Sun?
« on: March 01, 2019, 10:58:10 AM »
In the RE model of the universe, the Sun works by a constant thermonuclear fusion reaction converting hydrogen to helium. The same process as a hydrogen bomb. Some scientists figured out how the Sun works and said "hey, let's try that here!" So now we have thermonuclear hydrogen bombs. Or do we? Maybe nuclear weapons are a hoax, too?

When light passes through a prism the different frequencies or colors in the light are separated and spread out into the familiar rainbow spectrum pattern. This can be easily demonstrated by the famous Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon logo.

Now, light from different sources like a fire, or different types of light bulbs, have different spectrums. Scientists say they can identify some light sources based on their spectrum. Like, if you burn different elements (carbon, sodium, etc) the spectrum of light emitted by each one is different and unique.

The scientists say that hydrogen bomb explosions make a very bright flash of light and the spectrum of that light is the same as the spectrum of sunlight.

The scientists also say that hydrogen bomb explosions are very hot and the temperatures inside the explosion is the same as the temperatures inside the Sun.

They also say the Sun is SO big, and because E=MC2, that it has enough hydrogen to keep fueling the nuclear reaction and keep it bright and hot for maybe billions of years.

In the FE universe, if the Sun is inside the dome which covers and encloses the Earth, Moon, and the sky and everything, and if the Sun is a constant thermonuclear reaction, then we would have radiation fallout all over the Earth beneath the Sun as it  circles around overhead. We have heard that radiation and nuclear fallout is highly toxic, so this might present some health hazards to life on Earth!

Now, if the Sun is NOT powered by the thermonuclear fusion of hydrogen to helium, then how does the Sun work to produce light and heat? (Since it is producing light and heat it must have some energy source, no?) Also, why is the temperatures and light spectrum of the Sun the same as from a hydrogen bomb?

Flat Earth General / What causes roundness?
« on: February 27, 2019, 02:17:39 PM »
As I understand it, the Earth is flat like a plate, but it's also round like a plate too, with the North Pole at the center and the ice wall of Antarctica going in a circle all the way around the outer edge.

One day looking up at the sky I noticed that the Sun and Moon are also round. With a good telescope you can see that Mars and Jupiter look round too. Are they flat round plates like the Earth?

What causes them to be round this way? Is there a universal force of roundness or something like that? I looked around the FAQ and forums but didn't find a good explanation for this. It would be great if someone would help me out here.

Flat Earth General / GPS?
« on: February 27, 2019, 01:48:34 PM »
I saw something on the FAQ page here which seems a bit odd. Maybe it's just a typo?

On the FAQ page it says that GPS works by referencing landmarks. I'm sure someone put that in by mistake, because of course GPS doesn't have anything to do with landmarks. It measures changes in radio wave signals from different directions. Then it uses simple math to triangulate the receiver's position based on those signals.

Maybe the radio signals don't come from outer space, but wherever they do come from that is how GPS determines location. I'm an electronics engineer and would be happy to explain in detail how all the components in a GPS receiver or your phone actually do work. But in any case, it would be great if the owners of the website corrected the misstatement about GPS in the FAQs.

Flat Earth Debate / Alternative explanation of Gravity
« on: February 27, 2019, 01:44:58 PM »
I'm new to this website and there's a couple of things in the FAQ page that I'm curious about.

It says that "the force known as gravity doesn't exist". Of course this would mean that Einstein's Theories are wrong.

The FAQ says that what seems like gravity is instead "the earth is constantly accelerating up at a rate of 32 feet per second squared."

A quick check of the numbers with my calculator shows that after 2.2 hours the Earth would be going faster than the speed of light.

Now, the FAQ also says that "This acceleration does not violate physics and according to Einstein's theory of special relativity, we can accelerate forever without reaching the speed of light."

This might seem to solve the problem, but it raises some questions.

1. If Einstein's Theory is wrong, then why are we using Einstein's Theory to explain why the Earth never reaches the speed of light even though it's accelerating constantly.

2. I know a little bit about Einstein's Theory because I studied Spacetime Physics in college and know how to read the equations and do the math. So I know that Einstein's Theory doesn't say we can accelerate forever without reaching the speed of light. It actually says that it's impossible to accelerate forever.

For those who haven't actually read Einstein's Theory or done the math themselves, let me explain that acceleration towards the speed of light is covered by what's known as the the Lorentz Factor equations.

So, "Houston, we have a problem." We can't use Einstein's Theory to explain how the Earth can keep accelerating without reaching the speed of light because 1, we don't believe Einstein's Theory, and 2, because Einstein's Theory doesn't say that anyway.

Maybe someone here has other math to explain how the FE explains gravity, or mathematical proofs to show where Einstein's math is wrong? That would be very helpful. Thanks!

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