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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Dear Republicans
« on: August 14, 2021, 09:03:51 PM »
Dear Republicans,

     Please continue to refuse to wear masks and to refuse to get vaccinated. We enjoy being in the majority; your efforts only increase our margin and our ability to stay in power.

                                                                                                    Your friends,
                                                                                                    The Democrats

Flat Earth General / Flat Earth interest
« on: February 07, 2021, 09:22:26 AM »
Former "Flat Earth Scientist" wise used to put a lot of stock in how popular flat earth searches were on Google, and claimed that they not only showed interest, but acceptance of FE.

Being both curiouser and curiouser, I looked at recent Google trends.

As of 7-Feb-2021 looks like fewer people are interested in this conspiracy. Maybe they have other things on their minds.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Remembering 9/11
« on: September 10, 2020, 10:06:28 PM »
Let's observe a minute of silence for those who died in the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.

Now, let's observe an hour of silence for the those who died in the US from Covid-19 ... the equivalent of more than 60 9/11 attacks.

Were you outraged, angered, appalled, hurt, devastated, maddened, or frightened by what happened on September 11 and sought revenge and justice on those who caused it? Are you 60 times as outraged, angered, appalled, hurt, devastated, maddened, or frightened by what is happening now and seek 60 times the revenge and justice on those who caused it?

Why not? Where is your outrage? Where is your anger? Where is your desire for revenge and justice?

If your country were experiencing the equivalent of a 9/11 attack every three days, would you be spending both days of last weekend playing golf?

Get outraged. Get angered. Get revenge. Get justice. Do your duty.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Perseverence
« on: July 30, 2020, 10:10:40 AM »
On its way.

Mars Helicopter (Ingenuity), onboard microphones, future sample return canisters. Exciting stuff!

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Toilet paper panic hoarding
« on: March 20, 2020, 11:19:37 PM »
As the world deals with COVID-19, the bizarre phenomenon of toilet paper hoarding and subsequent shortages makes news in the US every day.

I've had a pretty nice bidet for a year, so no worries for me. I still stock toilet paper, but a roll lasts 4-5 weeks.

Bidets are a rarety in the US, and many people have openly been scornful of them (how's that working out for you now, Poopy McPoophands?).

Question for those of you in countries where bidets are more common ... is TP hoarding a thing where you are? Or are people being reasonable?

In the US, the Trump administration is forming its plans for how it will selectively target areas of the country for "Coronavirus lockdowns" in November to limit voting in Democratic-heavy urban areas. Under the guise of public safety, voters will be dissuaded, discouraged, and in some cases physically prevented by the National Guard from going to the polls and voting. Happy 2021-2024!

F*ck Iowa. The only reason anyone even thinks about those backwater farm hicks once every four years, and they screw it up.

Flat Earth General / Thought Experiments and their Taxonomy
« on: February 08, 2020, 07:24:06 PM »
Physics 101 problem.

(Not included - fourth choice - Seventeen pages of bluster, posturing, manifestations of inferiority complex, lack of basic physics and math skills, whining, name-calling, moving goalposts, Googling and presenting papers without understanding the subject matter, fear, desperate attempts and failure at one-upmanship.)

Flat Earth Debate / Bendy light not applicable to stars
« on: January 13, 2020, 11:47:22 AM »
Time lapse video of night scene with camera rotating to stabilize frame with respect to stars.

Bendy light, dome refraction, atmospheric effects or other phenomena postulated to occur at or near the horizon have little to no observable effect on perceived line-of-sight to stars shown.

Flat Earth General / Atmospheric and astronomical observation
« on: January 01, 2020, 10:39:53 AM »

Curvature, refraction, eclipse, ship, all the good stuff in one photo.

Flat Earth General / Society neglects its responsibilities
« on: November 17, 2019, 12:25:32 AM »
In the following CNN piece:

"The Flat Earth Society has not responded to CNN's request for comment."

What are you guys hiding? Why haven't you responded? Lazy? Incompetent? Or something far more suspicious? Who's pocket is the Society administration really in?

Who's piloting this garbage scow, anyway?

Nice to see the piece features Timothy John touting the oft-seen "NASA Admits Flat Earth" using the summary from NASA Reference Publication 1207 "Derivation and definition of a linear aircraft model" stating "This report documents the derivation and definition of a linear aircraft model for a rigid aircraft of constant mass flying over a flat, nonrotating Earth." Good to see that's the kind of evidence that's being presented at the conference.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Propellant-less space engine
« on: October 15, 2019, 08:39:53 AM »

and recent common media articles under "Helical engine"

Have at it, haters and pesky conservation-of-momentum experts. Begin your amusing tirades of why it won't work.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / 82(2+2)
« on: August 02, 2019, 03:39:19 PM »
Since everyone here loves arguing and this seems to be the newest white/gold blue/black dress internet kerfuffle...

What is the answer (and correct way to evaluate) the expression


Philosophy, Religion & Society / Trumpthiness
« on: June 04, 2019, 06:38:50 AM »
If Donald Trump declares in tweets and at rallys often enough "2+2=5" half of America will believe him.

The Satanic Temple has been granted 501(c)(3) non-profit status as a recognized religion by the IRS. If you're near a city that's showing it, consider going to see "Hail Satan?", a documentary by filmmaker Penny Lane now making the rounds in limited release.

Flat Earth Debate / Ice wall thousands of km high
« on: May 07, 2019, 01:55:30 PM »
Continuation of tangent topic originally started in into a separate thread

You heard about an ice wall.

You invented that it was thousands of km high based on nothing other than casual thought.
You stated "It is several thousand km high in order to keep the air in." (Notwithstanding that keeping air "in" would require 200-ish km. Certainly not more than 600 km.)
Nope, you may well be able to orbit in the rarified gases at 200km, 600km, or more and a wall that height would keep 99% of the atmosphere in, but you let that last 1% leak over the top and the 99% that's left will expand and then the top 1% of that will leak away until you've got nothing less. Not 1% you think? Only 0.0001%? Fine, it'll just take longer, the Earth has been here long enough already.

Oh, is that now your invented process with invented values for how things work? (At 600 km, it's about 5 x 10^-12. That's 0.0001% of your 0.0001%). But by your unassailable logic, the same thing happens on a spherical Earth. Atmospheric molecules randomly collide and statistically a small percentage of them acquire sufficient kinetic energy to achieve escape velocity and are ejected into space (i.e., they "leak over the edge" of the gravity well). It's a small fraction, but the rest of the atmosphere will expand and the process continues until there's nothing left. It takes longer, but the Earth has been here long enough. By your reasoning, the Earth therefore has no atmosphere.

So, if you want to shoot this theory down, tell me, what's keeping the air in?

Off-topic. Pointing out your poor logic and rhetorical fallacies does not compel me to solve the problem for you.

You asked why we can't see this wall.
Yes, why can't we?

No one else believes in a wall thousands of km high.
Hardly anyone believes in the FE either, if belief is based on numbers you're on shaky ground too.

Positing a non-existent thing just to argue against it is a straw man.
Right, so now you're saying the whole of Flat Earth is a straw man?

The rest of your post about what I think and how I constructed my reply is rubbish -- another one of your inventions that is not true.
What, you think that what you think  isn't important? I think it is, tell me what you think keeps the air in. You do have an opinion don't you?

Your logical conclusion is that the only possible thing that keeps air in is your invented ice wall. You have shown no "logical conclusion" other than "Well, *I* can't think of anything, therefore it excludes all other explanations." That is why I think you don't understand what a logical conclusion is. Either that, or you do understand, and are intentionally trying to hoodwink readers.

We're never going to progress without a discussion. If you think logic leads in a different direction then tell me. Maybe you're a dome believer in which case you don't need a tall wall in your universe?

I already told you why you can't see the wall ... you invented it and it doesn't exist. Let's not play that game.

Belief isn't based on numbers (another of your inventions). But if no one has presented an explanation except you, and you use that to then argue why that explanation should not be used by your opponents, that's a fallacious argument. (E.g. Dragons at the edge keep the air in. The dragons need to fly around in the air to blow the air back. Why can't we see these dragons that you keep talking about?)

"The whole of Flat Earth is a straw man?" You really either don't understand or are being intentionally thick.

And then more off-topic nonsense.

Who says I have any interest in progressing? Your inability to understand simple logic and common rhetorical fallacies makes discussions like this wearisome and unproductive.

Suggestions & Concerns / Acceptable / unacceptable avatar images
« on: March 18, 2019, 08:25:38 AM »
Is SkepticMike's avatar image, which is visible in upper fora posts, and which can be seen prominently in public by bystanders even if I am scrolling through posts at a reasonable speed on my phone, considered acceptable or unacceptable?

Technology, Science & Alt Science / SpaceX Demo-1
« on: March 01, 2019, 03:14:57 PM »
Scheduled for 2:39 a.m. EST. I'm glad that we'll have something new for dutchy to complain is the fakest looking thing he's ever seen.

Flat Earth General / The Conspiracy
« on: February 22, 2019, 07:52:13 AM »
One of the arguments made against the concept of Flat Earth is that the conspiracy to keep the true shape of the earth secret would be so massive in extent that it could not possibly exist.

But is that necessarily true?

As the old joke goes, I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you.

The conspiracy doesn't have to be very large in extent at all.

The conspiracy doesn't have to be keeping the secret from the whole world.

It just has to keep the secret from you.

It doesn't have to doctor all the photos in the world, just the ones you look at.
It doesn't have to doctor all the books in the world, just the ones you look at.
It doesn't have to fake the flights you take (and really, when's the last time *you* took a flight?) just the ones you take.
It doesn't have to fake all the data and web pages in the world, just the ones you look at.

C'mon. Think about it. How easy it would be to just monitor you, and feed you the fake data and photos? You just sit there at the computer anyway, searching and searching for evidence. You know that you are special. You know that you are right. You know that they monitor you anyway, especially when they saw that you were searching for the truth. You know they want to hide it but you're diligently working to uncover the truth, so they just feed you the false info. Nobody else is really paying attention. They don't bother with them. It's just you. You can feel it in your bones, can't you? They're watching. They're monitoring. On your computer. On your phone. On the street. In your basement. Watching. Feeding you what they want you to know. They're not doing it to everyone else. Just you. That greeter at Walmart? He's in on it. That checkout girl at the Dollar Store? She is, too. Your Mom upstairs? Yeah. Her too. Watching. Waiting.

Suggestions & Concerns / Are bans listed?
« on: February 04, 2019, 02:32:02 PM »

If you're just going to pick up where jimster (who is banned for a week) left off ...

In this post Space Cowgirl may or may not have implied that Googleotomy should have known that jimster was banned. I can't tell if that was a point, or just additional information.

Is there a place where bans are listed?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Nancy Pelosi for President 2019
« on: January 16, 2019, 01:31:12 PM »
Nancy Pelosi for President 2019

Today, SpaceX announced that its workforce would be decimated.

All those disgruntled former employees with knowledge of what really goes on. All those former workers who talked about putting in 12 hour days and weekends (read any of the "What's it like to work at SpaceX?" articles online) who were loyal to SpaceX and are now feeling kicked in the teeth and betrayed.

All of the dirt and dirty secrets will now come out. Anyone who saw something suspicious? Look for it on Twitter. Anyone forced to fake data? Payback to Musk for getting dumped. Whistleblowers will be coming out of the woodwork.

It's everything you've been waiting for.

Truly, here is solid indication some stuff about truth is really expected.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Temper tantrump
« on: January 09, 2019, 01:28:00 PM »
The Great Dealmaker just walked out in a huff of talks to end U.S. Government shutdown that he used to say he owned, but now pawns off on Dems. Paycheck to paycheck workers held hostage by ego of ineffectual poseur. Total indifference and incapacity to empathize with people he says are just like him. Maybe he thinks Fed workers can ask their fathers for a "small loan of $1 million."

Flat Earth Debate / What direction is "down"?
« on: August 14, 2018, 02:37:57 PM »
Is the direction of "down" parallel at all places on the flat earth?

In this context "down" refers to the direction
 - Of the gravity vector, if you believe in gravity
 - Of the opposite of the Universal Acceleration acceleration vector, if you believe in UA
 - That objects stationary with respect to earth will travel when no longer supported and subjected to no additional forces

If yes, thank you for your answer.
If no, can you specify the conditions under which it's not (i.e., Never, not near the edge, not when there's a large mountain nearby, not when the moon is full, not in Grover's Mill, NJ, etc.).
If no, can you quantify the magnitude? (i.e., It differs all over the earth by 10^-6 radians, it changes near the edge by 0.001 degree, it's not exactly parallel but by an unmeasurable amount, etc.)

Flat Earth Q&A / Direction of "down" on Flat Earth?
« on: August 13, 2018, 09:14:47 AM »
[Question deleted]

Flat Earth Q&A / Universal Acceleration 101
« on: July 30, 2018, 10:32:16 AM »
In a previous topic, "Universal Acceleration 101" the OP proposes that the Universal Accelerator only directly affects the earth and not any other objects.

So it doesn't affect everything?
It only affects what it is touching (pushing it upwards), in much the same way as a tennis racket doesn't affect a tennis ball until the ball touches the racket. The Universal Accelerator only affects you if you're standing on the Earth, because it pushes the Earth up and the Earth pushes you up. So if you jump, you're temporarily not affected by it, it just quickly pushes the Earth back into you.

What about the Sun and Moon?
Well, it can't be affecting them, because they're constantly flying above the Earth and consequently above the Universal Accelerator.

Is this true?

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Perception of curvature
« on: July 19, 2018, 05:38:07 PM »
Maybe the difference between the people who see or don't see horizon curvature at low altitudes is attributable to

A common depiction of the Earth is of a disk with relatively small thickness-to-diameter ratio.

Questions related to the other side of the disk or the thickness of the disk are frequently answered with the equivalent of "we don't know; no one has ever been there; it hasn't been measured."

What evidence exists, then, that the Earth is a disk?

Without any evidence that the Earth is a disk, is it not equally likely that the Earth is:

- A cylinder, one circular surface of which is the known Earth, the remainder of the cylinder of arbitrary length (including infinite).
- A frustum of a right circular cone, the smaller circular surface of which is the known Earth, the cone angle arbitrary and the height arbitrary (including infinite).
- An infinite volume below an infinite plane, a portion of which is the known Earth.

What evidence exists to prefer any one of these descriptions over the other three?

Flat Earth General / Sun position
« on: May 29, 2018, 06:59:46 PM »
Is there a method of determining to within an accuracy of one degree the angular position (azimuth, elevation) of the sun for a given location and time?

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Zetetic topics
« on: May 21, 2018, 01:58:56 PM »
Are there any other fields in which the Zetetic method is employed to reach conclusions?

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