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Flat Earth General / Flat Earth Explanation for Planets
« on: April 15, 2019, 09:02:55 AM »
When most flat earthers are asked what the stars and planets in the sky are, the most common explanation is that they are lights in the firmament either above, below or embeded in. When asked what planets are, the most common  answer is that they are wandering stars. So same as stars but they....wander.

A number of flat earthers have taken videos of stars and planets, showing shimmering objects and have taken these as proof that these "objects" are in the "waters above" or at least that the planets are "not what we are told". But by far the most common flat earth explanation is that these objects are simply lights and are not physical objects in any way.

I saw a picture taken by an amature astronomer of some of Jupiter's moons. In particular, callisto is seen to throw a shadow on the Jovian surface.

 Now if these objects are simply lights, how do they create shadows?

Since any amature astronomer can make these observations and see the light purported to be Jupiter, and see the lights ourported to be it's moons, and see these lights cast a shadow on another light, how is this explained in flat earth?

I wish I could put up a licture here but I don't know how to do that. So here's a link to a website having the picture.

https://britastro.org/node/9502


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Flat Earth General / Southern hemisphere flights
« on: February 20, 2019, 08:09:23 PM »
YouTube's Wolfie6020 offered to fly any prominent flat earther who would accept to Sydney and from there to Johannesburg or Santiago to confirm Southern Hemisphere flights work just as predicted by the globe abd do not work on a flat earth. Mark Sargent, Jeranism, the crew at Globebusters, all refused to take him in his offer.

2 YouTube flat earth debunkers however did take the flights and a video analysis of Greater Sapien's video and GPS logs for the Sydney to Johannesburg flight is presented here.


What is the flat earth explanation for this? Denial? A claim that there is no model? Or that there is a model that allows for this? Or will this data be ignored like Bob Knodel and his LRG?

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Flat Earth General / Bob Knodel and the laser ring gyroscope
« on: February 15, 2019, 06:41:00 PM »
Bob Knodel is a famous (?) Youtube flat earther who tried an experiment to prove the earth was fixed - non rotating. He obtained a UD$20,000 laser ring gyroscope, an extremely accurate device, to show that the earth was not spinning. The gyroscope registered a 15 degree per hour drift.

Does this prove a rotating earth? Or like Bob Knodel said, did it measure the "heavenly energies"?

If the gyroscope did measure a 15 degree per hour rotating earth, can this be possible still with a flat earth and local sun-moon circling system?




Edit: I see someone has already started a thread with the same information.

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Flat Earth General / The Challanger Disaster
« on: January 28, 2019, 02:06:34 AM »
One of the more important points of globe deniers is the refutation of the Challanger disaster. Since space is fake, space travel is fake and the Challanger never exploded with a crew on board because the Space Shuttle is fake or flies with a helium balloon or something along those lines. There are those who claim the crew are still alive and have posted all sorts to back that claim.

For Lt. Gen. Richard "Rich" Scobee, losing his father in the explosion of the space shuttle Challenger was a personal tragedy he and the families of other members of the crew have shared with the nation for 33 years.

This article is about the family of Shuttle Commander Dick Scobee who truthers claim to be the living CEO of a company called Cows and Trees.

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/01/27/us/space-shuttle-challenger-anniversary-scobee-profile/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2F

I would like to know what globe deniers on this forum think.


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Flat Earth General / Living in Antarctica
« on: December 27, 2018, 10:03:47 PM »
I read an article this morning on an American being the first to cross the Antarctic continent alone and unaided. Took him 54 days without getting resupplied.

 https://www.pulse.com.gh/bi/sports/a-33-year-old-american-just-became-the-first-person-to-cross-antarctica-alone-and/7c6x2l2

The report also indicates a Briton trying the same feat but will apparently take longer. About 70 days.

It got me thinking. With the flat earth belief that that Antarctica is not a continent but rather a wall around the circumference of the flat earth, what is the flat earth opinion of those who work in any of the numerous scientific bases in Antarctica?

And I am not talking about those who subscribe to the dual pole models of the flat earth. They are obviously in the minority of flat earth thinking.

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Flat Earth General / Creation of the Flat Earth
« on: November 17, 2018, 01:26:16 AM »
While many flat earthers on this forum say there are no religious reasons to their belief in a flat earth, I wonder if they have given any thought as to how the flat earth was formed.

Religious globe earthers can say the earth was created, non religious globe earthers can describe scientific processes by which a globe earth was formed.

Outside of religious creation, what other explanations can be given for the formation of a flat earth?

How could/did the flat earth come to be?

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Flat Earth Debate / Faking Space Rockets
« on: October 08, 2018, 02:14:07 AM »
I have heard many flat earthers claim rockets are designed to fly high and far enough to crash out of site or out at sea as a means of continuing the conspiracy of space flight.

How does the continued retrieval of Falcon 9 rockets fit in this conspiracy?

On the 8th of November, a Falcon 9 carrying an Argentinian satellite (are they now also a part of the conspiracy) took off and landed at the Vandenberg launch site. It's flight path could be seen by anyone in southern California all through its flight. The payload section of the rocket could be seen at take off but not at landing. There were no observed pieces of the rocket streaking away to sea.

How does this fit in with the conspiracy?

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Flat Earth Debate / About Eratosthenes
« on: September 06, 2018, 07:50:32 AM »
Eratosthenes is said to be one of the first people to calculate with a great degree of accuracy the circumference of the earth. It is said he did this using two sticks and two locations. It is admitted that his methodology will also give the height of a small close sun but he derived instead the circumference because he assumed right from the start that the earth was round.

It is said that NASA argues and fakes data on the rotundity of the earth because they either do not know the shape of the earth themselves or they are actively pushing some nefarious conspiracy. All mainstream science is a part of this conspiracy allegedly lead by NASA.

My question is this. If NASA leads the conspiracy on the shape of the earth, why did Eratosthenes assume the earth was spherical? Why did his peers at that time accept his work?

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Flat Earth General / What is being done to prove the flat earth?
« on: May 28, 2018, 08:06:38 AM »
A good number of flat earth thinkers call themselves Zetetists. They seek the truth. This is fine and good. This website is full of theories and models that have been put foward to discern the truth of the earth's shape.

So what then is being done to verify which of the various models and theories is the correct one? It is not enough to hypothesise a means to explain what is seen. Steps must be taken to verify the accuracy of said hypothesis as a function of truly seeking the truth.

Can any of the many original thinkers in this forum state the steps they are taking to verify their flat earth models?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Still about the moon
« on: May 15, 2018, 11:20:39 PM »
According to flat earth thought, the sun's circumference of rotation in the sky changes from equinox to equinox, moving from the tropic of capricon to the tropic of cancer.

Question. Does the moon behave the same way?

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Flat Earth General / The First Australian Flat Earth Convention
« on: May 12, 2018, 12:26:43 PM »
This bit of news popped up on my newsfeed today.

https://www.cnet.com/news/the-bizarre-tale-of-the-australia-flat-earth-convention-that-fell-apart/

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The convention was supposed to take place on March 17, 2018, but it fell apart.

Co-organizer Lee Maxwell Judd believes "dark negative forces" were behind its failure, but the convention was doomed from the start.

The event looked good on paper -- tragically ambitious on paper. Mark Sargent, a prominent flat-Earth YouTuber, was billed as a special guest. Rapper B.o.B., who famously argued with Neil deGrasse Tyson over flat-Earth "theory," was to provide live music.

The location: Darling Park in Sydney, Australaia [sic]. An afterparty was planned at Bondi Icebergs, an expensive and internationally renowned dining room.

In the end, two people show up to the flat-Earth convention. Three including myself.The three of us make small talk. It quickly becomes apparent that this, the three of us sitting around a small coffee table in Darling Park's reception, is the flat-Earth convention.

He still believes an Australian Flat Earth Convention is possible. In fact, he's planning one right now, for Dec. 15. Speakers are waiting in the wings, he says, along with numerous musical acts. He wants to book out Bondi Pavilion, meters from the shoreline of Australia's most famous beach. He wants food, celebration, conversation with like-minded people.

All he needs now, he says, is a partner.

Hey Rab, wanna help a fella?

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Flat Earth Debate / The Flat Earth Map
« on: December 14, 2017, 09:15:43 PM »
I came across this earlier on and I just had to share.

The Hilarious Secret About the Flat Earth Map
But back to the flat earth map. The map that flat earthers accept as a model of REALITY of life on earth and use as a 'model' for all of their thought experiments and graphic models, is merely an Azimuthal Projection Map! If you cannot see the incredible hilarious irony of this fact, I’ll explain it in more detail. Flat earthers REJECT a round earth, and claim that the earth is flat. Yet in thousands of years of belief in flat earth, despite knowing virtually EVERY distance between points on the planet, despite almost every one of these points having a known GPS coordinate such that even children can engage in playing an adventure game called ‘Geocaching’ where people will place specific items at specific GPS points around the earth and people use GPS to find these items, the BEST model of reality that flat earthers can come up with… is based on a GLOBE!!!

To make this even more hilarious, they also claim, as we mentioned previously, that the UN patrols all 60,0000 of the ‘ice rim’ of Antarctica in order to keep people from discovering the truth that the earth is flat. As evidence of this conspiracy and deception, they point to the symbol of the UN, and say that the UN uses a flat earth map as their symbol as a sort of 'hiding it in plain site' joke on humanity.

But what flat earthers MUST not be able to recognize, is that it’s not that the symbol of the UN is a flat earth, but that THEIR map is an Azimuthal Projection Map, as is the UN Symbol! Even the Wikipedia Entry for Azimuthal Projection Map uses both a current 'flat earth model' map and a UN symbol and describes them both as being examples of an azimuthal projection map! One can't take them seriously when Wikipedia even shows their flat earth map and calls it what it is.

This makes 100% of their thought experiments utterly and completely worthless because you cannot envision correct thought experiments using a model that is horribly flawed from the beginning. For instance, they hypothesize experiments of how the sun could rotate in the 'dome' above a flat earth to create the time zones that we see on earth. However, with distances horribly distorted, and New Zealand as big as the United States, it makes this thought experiment an exercise in eye-rolling hilarity on the many ways the thought experiment is fundamentally in error, rather than a proof of the feasibility of flat earth having the current time zones that it does.

The irony and hilarity of the flat earth model just keeps getting richer and richer the more you look into their ridiculous and hilarious claims that flat earth is reality, simply because it seems that way. Well, if you know anything at all, even their own MAP is not even a map of flat earth! That should tell you how incredibly untenable and ridiculous even the most basic of their claims are, and that these people should not be taken seriously when they can’t even produce the most basic of foundational models... without first using a globe!

https://steemit.com/flatearth/@kerriknox/the-flat-earth-map-is-actually-a-globe

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Flat Earth Debate / The False Conspiracy
« on: September 29, 2017, 02:58:21 AM »
Most Flat Earthers believe there is a conspiracy to prevent the knowledge of the fact that the earth supposedly is flat. A conspiracy they believe is orchestrated by NASA most likely for financial gain. They believe that the world believed the earth was flat up till about 500 years ago. I have issues with this particular conspiracy theory.

First it is obvious that 500 years ago, the United states did not exist not to talk of NASA as an organization. This makes it difficult to see how NASA is responsible for this conspiracy. It is also wrong to think that most of the world believed the earth to be flat up to about 500 years ago. Christopher Columbus did not sail the world to prove it was round. He already knew it was round and was looking to find a different route to Asia by going around the ball. Magellan did not sail to prove the earth was round. He sailed to show it could be circumnavigated (and to be the first to do so).

So using the “500 year” point is not a fact. It is an opinion. Long before “500 years ago” the round earth was a well understood and accepted fact all over the world. In and out of religious circles. 2 examples include

The monk Bede (c. 672–735) wrote in his influential treatise on computus, The Reckoning of Time, that the Earth was round. He explained the unequal length of daylight from "the roundness of the Earth, for not without reason is it called 'the orb of the world' on the pages of Holy Scripture and of ordinary literature. It is, in fact, set like a sphere in the middle of the whole universe." (De temporum ratione, 32).

Around 830 AD, Caliph Al-Ma'mun commissioned a group of Muslim astronomers and geographers to measure the distance from Tadmur (Palmyra) to Raqqa in modern Syria. They found the cities to be separated by one degree of latitude and the meridian arc distance between them to be 66 2⁄3 miles and thus calculated the Earth's circumference to be 24,000 miles.[51]

As a matter of fact, Galileo’s disagreement with the church was not a debate between a flat or a round earth. It was a debate of the earth orbiting the sun or the sun orbiting the earth. For both sides, a round earth was a given.

Come to think of it, why did Eratosthenes interpret his calculations to be the earth’s circumference? Afterall, the same calculations could be argued to give the height of the sun above a flat earth (ergo the 3000 miles that flat earthers cite as the height of the sun above the earth).  It was just a matter of time before sailors would come to the conclusion that the earth had to be round. As ancient mariners sailed further out to sea and realized that land seemed to sink or rise up from the sea the further or closer one got to it, as they found different stars in the sky the further north or south they sailed, as they noticed the stars seemed to rotate around one point in the north and another in the south, these and other occurrences pointed ancient man to a round earth that by about 200 A.D. Greek philosophers had pretty much concluded that the earth was round and as such Eratosthenes immediately took his calculations to be for the circumference of the earth.

So if flat earthers want to call this a conspiracy, they have to go much further back than NASA, Christopher Columbus, Jesuits and co and probably start investigating the Greeks and Arabs for wanting to deceive the rest of the world.

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