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It always starts with "Do you guys really believe this stuff"? How many threads like that are there on these forums? That's innocuous enough, but then they can't take the answer. "What?" "Your kidding!"

At this point many folks fall by the wayside, content to just lurk or look elsewhere for their fix.
But the true anti-believer goes a step further, because an innate need has awakened, a compulsion to convert the heathen, to educate the savages, to eradicate the heretics!. And so the symptom of Compulsive Round Earth Syndrome (CoRES) present themselves. These are twofold:
1. An increasingly and obsessive aggressive attitude towards anyone espousing the FE view. Any such most must immediately be refuted.
2. An insistence on the round earth, whether or not based on science. The latter case is especially funny because it tends to be of the "but EVERYBODY knows..." type.

Any other notable symptoms?

The Lounge / Does jroa go in for scatological humor?
« on: October 01, 2016, 01:45:05 PM »
I suspect he does.
Only one way to find out.
Anyone know any good fart jokes?


Nice quote: "Turkey’s sovereign wealth fund is still in the works, but the critical problem at this stage is that while it is ‘sovereign,’ the key bit it lacks is the ‘wealth,’"

Just another example of the Turkish government's empty bluster and self delusion. If the West didn't need Incirlik, it could forget about Turkey altogether. The psychological unwillingness to recognize the Armenian genocide for what it was, the inability to solve the Kurdish question, the cynical attitude and use of the Syrian refugees as pawns in its political games, the opportunistic cozying up to the Russians to spite the West, the anti democratic crackdowns that have been going on for years, the increasing religious intolerance, the corruption at all levels of government, and on and on. This is another promising developing country turning itself into a basket case by its own collective incompetence.

It's only a matter of time before Erdogan starts having himself called "Great Leader". He has already wasted hundreds of millions of the people's wealth on building himself a palace with over 1'000 rooms.

If not for the remittances of millions of foreign workers in Europe (hint: they couldn't find jobs at home), Turkey would probably already be half way to bankrupt. EU negotiations should be cut off and Turkey should be thrown out of NATO. Europe doesn't need this pita.

Flat Earth Debate / About this accelerating Flat Earth idea
« on: September 26, 2016, 06:07:35 AM »
Stop me if you've heard this one... too late.

So the other night I was having dinner with a friend in a Venezuelan restaurant. First time I ever had arapes btw, and I have to say they are quite good if a bit rich. We also had red wine, but I think beer would in general be more appropriate. But I digress.

Anyway, so I was giving her an overview of what little I know about FET. It was just light conversation, because - lets face it - you're not going to get lucky talking to a chick about FET. But I digress.

So I get to the part about there being no gravity, but rather the earth falling "upwards" as it were. I don't understand why folks subscribe to that idea. It doesn't seem like a necessary condition for a flat earth. But I suddenly realized there was a conceptual error in the idea. So I went home (it was light conversation, remember?) and did the numbers.

I think everyone is agreed that if there is no gravity, then the earth must be falling upward with an acceleration of 9.8 meters/second/second. With this acceleration things appear to "fall", just like they would in a gravity field.

So I decided to see how fast we are all moving, given that acceleration. The equation for the earth's velocity can easily be arrived at. It involves integrating the acceleration equation, so Intikam, Sandokhan and FES etc. will have to bear with me here. The resulting equation is

valocity = 9.8 * number of seconds

Now for the sake of argument, lets say that God created the earth 5'000 years ago, so before that there was no gravity/falling going on. The number of seconds since then has been about 1.5 * 10^11.

For starters, lets assume that gravity/falling has been constant ever since. If we do, we arrive at an estimate of earth's current velocity of about 1.5 bio km/s.

Now we might assume that the gravity/falling changed over time. Lets say that half the time there was no gravity/falling so that folks could do things like build the pyramids and Stonehenge. Even so, the earth would still presently be falling upwards at over 750 mio km/s.

You might say: "that's fast, but so what?". Well the problem is that Einstein's relativity theory does not allow for anything to go faster than 300'000 km/s. So it seems to me that in order to maintain this (seemingly more tenuous than ever) assumption about falling upwards, you have to negate special relativity. That seems a step too far.

And before you come back and declare that this little thought experiment just "proves" that Einstein was wrong, please consider that throwing out special relativity would mean you would have to find alternate explanations for why a good chunk of modern technology works, not to mention that experiment of bouncing lasers off the moon that people here like to argue about.

Disrespectfully Submitted By UpstartPixel this 26th Day of September in the Year of our Lord 2016

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Are imaginary numbers real?
« on: September 23, 2016, 10:32:30 AM »
Yes, they are. Right?

The Lounge / OK, so y'all got hacked
« on: September 21, 2016, 01:44:36 PM »
No official position or explanation from the powers that be?

Or is this a common occurrence not worth commenting?

Flat Earth Debate / Sandokhan is a sham
« on: September 19, 2016, 01:59:59 AM »
I don't much care for Sandokhan's wild verbiage and aggressive stance on the geology thread, so I think I'll take him down.

Sandokhan brags about "his" natural log formula:
But I am an expert.

I wrote the book on the global natural logarithm formula, which by the way could be used in certain equations pertaining to geological dating.

First of all, the formula is incomplete. It's probably missing a limit or a summation. Who can say? You can't calculate anything from it because it has two apparent variables. I could speculate on what he means here, but it's most likely he just doesn't know what he's doing.

Second, the function "links algebraic functions with elementary and higher transcendental functions blah blah". Power series expansions for log functions are a dime a dozen. Even if this formula were correct, and even if Sandokhan were the author (2 big ifs there!) , it would just be one more among many others.

So basically Sandokhan is just a another poser who doesn't know his math, trying to draw the wool over folks' eyes with his impressive copy/paste skills. He likes to confuse others with "paradoxes", so the many body problem (well known in mechanics) suddenly becomes the mysterious "many body problem paradox", to give one example early on in the thread.

I guess the world is full of paradoxes when you don't understand much.

They charge top dollar to put satellites "into orbit around the earth". And Branson of course. A Brit and a South African. Some sort of Commonwealth thing going on there. Who else must we fear?

The Lounge / I told my girlfriend that I had joined this forum
« on: September 15, 2016, 02:15:01 PM »
She says we should maybe "give each other some space for a while".

What's up with that?

Flat Earth Debate / What's going to happen to the ice wall?
« on: September 11, 2016, 01:23:33 PM »
Won't global warming melt it? Then what? Does the atmosphere leak out into space?

The Lounge / I read the whole "Results of my study" thread in one go
« on: September 10, 2016, 12:06:22 PM »
Can you say the same?
OK, it did take me 1.5 gin and tonics.
But here is the odd part: I learned nothing about flat earth theory.
What gives?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Erdogan will be "last president" of Turkey
« on: September 10, 2016, 10:55:07 AM »
He can't seem to fix anything but elections. :'(

Flat Earth Q&A / The foundations of the FE world view?
« on: September 09, 2016, 12:11:44 PM »
First of all, thanks for the FAQ thread.  It answers some of the questions I had. Nonetheless, here goes.

The thread states that there is no connection from FE theory to any specific religion (apologies if that is too loosely stated). On the other hand, browsing the forums I see the occasional reference to the earth being 5'000 years old and yadda yadda. Would it be fair to say that the FE model finds its intellectual foundations in the traditional Judeo Christian Islamic view of the world, or is that going too far?

If it were so, however, does that lead the FE world view to any particular position with respect ot modern cosmology or evolution theory?

Thanks for any feedback. This is an honest question notwithstanding the fact that I am a self professed troll.

The Lounge / Peux-je troller?
« on: September 05, 2016, 10:11:41 AM »
Heartfelt greetings!
I was pointed to this forum and, taken by some of the posts here and bitten by the bug of boredom, I thought I would register.

I do hope you'll countenance a(nother) troll. I will do my best to keep up a semblance of civility. I like to consider myself a thinking man's troll. Thank you for your indulgence.

That said I am a bit concerned. A cursory browsing of the threads in the forums open to the general public seems to suggest a considerable amount of trolling already in progress. I hope this perceived signal to troll ratio is a mistaken impression on my part. An excessive number of trolls often leads to a race to the conversational bottom. Been there, disliked that. Thank you for any insight you may have.



P.S. On an unrelated note, the proper spelling is "Merkin"

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