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Technology, Science & Alt Science / push pull
« on: June 25, 2020, 12:04:45 PM »
Scenario:

hav your hands in front of you with your index finger so each hand pointing to the other index finger, Close your fingers into fist, open your fingers to point to the other.
please explain the muscle action in your finger?

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Flat Earth General / rainbows
« on: May 24, 2020, 06:55:09 AM »
Sandokhan clames

Light does not split into component colors = variable speed of light = c + v speed provided by the Kassner effect.
How do we have rainbows?

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The Lounge / my new work
« on: March 17, 2020, 09:00:24 PM »
I am employed by CDS who is contracted by Costco before this started I was passing out food samples that came to an immediate end. instead of putting us out of work, Costco put us on sanitation duty, the number of people we get through the front door on daily basis is like 5000 and more every day, And it is horde buying. What I do is where latex gloves and have a container of sanitation wipes. I wipe down the cooler doors, the freezer doors, the order tables, pick up windows and  the grocery carts, and do it over and over again.

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Flat Earth General / What flat earth experiment?
« on: February 24, 2020, 08:50:32 PM »
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John Davis : November 15, 2019, 11:14:22 AM
The concept is re-appropriation of the day for the true earth. It is suggested that each flatist on this day performs an experiment in public to expose the globularist orthodoxy as dupes.
Please explain at least one.

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DOUBLE FORCES OF ATTRACTIVE GRAVITATION PARADOX II

From a classic text on mechanics:




When science teachers are asked how does gravity work, they answer in this manner:

Gravity is a force.

Gravity is directed towards the center of the orbit i.e. the sun.

That makes gravity the centripetal force.
no the out word circular motion is the centripetal force, gravity is the string holding the ball in. 
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Imagine a ball attached to a string and you are holding the other end of the string and moving your hand in such a way that the ball is in circular motion. 

Then tension in the string is centripetal force.

not quite, is the results of inertia of the earth and gravity
 
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Now, ball = earth

you = sun

tension in the string = gravity

Gravity is the reason one object orbits another. An analogy is swinging a ball on a string over your head. The string is like gravity, and it keeps the ball in orbit. If you let go of the string, the ball flies away from you. (Dr. Eric Christian, April 2011)
yes
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http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=4569 (UCSB Science Line)

Centrifugal force acts on a rotating object in a direction opposite the axis of rotation. Imagine that you have a tennis ball tied to a string. If you swing the tennis ball on the string around in a circle, you would feel the ball tugging on the string. That is the centrifugal force on the ball. It is counteracted by tension in the string that you are holding. In this example, the tension force in the string is like the gravitational force between the earth and the sun. The ball doesn't get closer or farther from your hand. If you suddenly cut the string, the ball would go flying away, but that wont happen to the earth because of the sun's gravity.
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http://scienceline.ucsb.edu/getkey.php?key=4583

Forces can make something move or stop something from moving. For a planet in orbit around the sun, the string is invisible. That invisible string is the gravitational force between the Earth and the sun.

yes
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Then, the Mass Attraction and General Relativity Attraction concepts are not viable models for the cause of gravity and inertia.
why?
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Applying any "attractive" force model to the Earth Moon dynamic forces, we obtain this system:

The Earth’s attractive gravitation balances the orbital centrifugal force of the Moon.
The Moon’s attractive gravitation balances the orbital centrifugal force of the Earth.

the same force not two, from a from different point of view. 
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At first this may seem like an orderly and balanced attractive force system; however,... the following paradox exists. If the seat, source and cause of the "apparent" attraction forces are "internal" to each of the bodies...the attraction concept produces twice the force that is necessary to balance the centrifugal orbital forces of a planet moon system. The concept of "attraction" between bodies requires that the force “from” each separate body acts on the remote body,-- and equally on the originating body. Another example of a balanced system is a rope under tension; each end has an equal amount of opposing force. As noted by Newton's third law of motion, " To every action there is always an opposed  equal reaction".

This double force paradox is directly applicable to the "mass attraction",... the General Relativity “attraction” and all other attraction type concepts of gravity.

This example may help visualize the double force issue.

Let there be two rafts ( x and y )  freely floating on a clear calm lake with a rope between them.
Both rafts are still and are a rope length apart. 
The man on (raft x) pulls on the rope which is attached to raft y.
Raft x will move toward raft y,… and raft y will move toward raft x.
Both rafts will receive equal and opposite force and motion. 
It is not possible for (raft x) to remain still and be the source of the force.   
 
  I see no doubling divorces of forces  
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The Mass Attraction Models of Gravitation

The attraction concepts accept Newton's inverse square equation of gravity's force between two bodies as:
             F = G x (M1 x M2) / r squared .
The surface gravity (g) for each of the bodies can be derived from the gravitational constant (G) and the mass and radius of the bodies. Using Newton's equation the g forces, allegedly "seated" in each of the "two" bodies acting on the other at a distance, can be calculated.

Within the "attraction" concepts:

From Earth, the concept requires that Earth's gravity is attracting the Moon; and an equal Earth anchored “attraction” force is pulling the Earth toward the Moon.

From the Moon, the Moon's gravity is attracting the Earth; and this Moon seated force is equally pulling the Moon toward the Earth.
 
  there is no doubling forces, only the point of reference is changing
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Using: 1 ) Newton’s equation as given above, 2 ) basic arithmetic, 3 ) common logic and 4 ) the mechanics of force, it is shown that the assumed Earth and Moon seated forces are equal; and as a result;…"all attraction models" produce twice the force that is required to balance the centrifugal forces of orbit!
why? : no Dublin of forces occur
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The General Relativity Model of Gravitation

The exact same paradox arises with the General Relativity (GR) concept of gravity. It postulates that Mass warps a hypothetical "fabric of spacetime" and the warped fabric of spacetime causes “attraction” of other masses. Since in the GR theory the seat of the attractive force is anchored within the center of the planet’s and moon’s positions, we would again have twice the force required to balance the orbital forces of the Earth Moon system.
why? :  you are seeing twice, where there is no twice;  no Dublin of forces occur
It is the same force, just viewed from a different pointe of view.
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Stanley V. Byers
« Last Edit: May 12, 2018, 06:51:23 AM by sandokhan »


It's hard, you almost have it, but then you jump to the wrong conclusion,
And won't let go.




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Flat Earth General / sandokhan what is the purpose of the LISA satellite?
« on: November 24, 2019, 09:18:21 PM »
yes it deserves its own link.
what is the purpose of the LISA satellite?
LISA (Laser Interferometer Space Antenna) is a huge space version of LIGO. It 's purpose is to detect longer and weaker gravitational waves.

Quote from: NASA
WHAT is LISA?LISA is a space-based gravitational wave detector constructed of three spacecraft separated by millions of miles.

LISA's Size and Precision are Out of this World

LISA consists of three spacecraft that are separated by millions of miles and trailing tens of millions of miles, more than one hundred times the distance to the Moon, behind the Earth as we orbit the Sun. These three spacecraft relay laser beams back and forth between the different spacecraft and the signals are combined to search for gravitational wave signatures that come from distortions of spacetime. We need a giant detector bigger than the size of Earth to catch gravitational waves from orbiting black holes hundreds of millions of times more massive than our sun. NASA is a major collaborator in the European Space Agency (ESA)-led mission, which is scheduled to launch in the early 2030s and we are getting ready for it now!

LISA's enormous detector size and orbit, trailing behind the Earth as it orbits the Sun, are illustrated here. Credit: AEI/Milde Marketing

More on Ligo

I fix it

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Flat Earth General / KT boundary
« on: November 04, 2019, 06:24:34 PM »
How do the flat Earthers explain: KT boundary?

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Flat Earth Debate / behavior of gravity
« on: September 07, 2019, 01:13:22 PM »
the behavior of gravity, is well-known from Newton.
The cause of gravity is still not quite understood, Einstein's relativity is as close as we've gotten so far.
That does not mean we can't use gravity, to explain what we observe, and how to use it?
We use it to put satellites in orbit, we use it to send, probes to orbit around Saturn,
we use it to put probes on Mars,
we use it to put probes eo do flybys of the outer planets.
We have used it to put man on the moon.
But enough of that.
The mass of the earth, has a gravitational pull to its center. It appears that you have no understanding of this.  As you deny it.
The earth rotates, making one rotation in 24 hours.( Exact numbers are not required for that understanding) this giving you a day night cycle.
The earth orbits the sun in 365 days, you ask how we know this, it is the change of the constellations in the night sky. In every four years, we make an adjustment of a day to have the right consolation facing us again.( Leap year ).
We now get more complex, by adding the moon, to this model.
It is said the moon orbits the earth, this is not quite true, as the earth moon pair, orbit their common gravitational  center point. But the moon being smaller of the pair, is the one considered to be orbiting, and approximately in 29 days. The center point, is also within the surface of the earth, and moves in line with the, orbit of the moon, and is the cause of lunar tides. These are the observation of the earth moon orbiting the sun.
I do not know how to explain it to you, any better that I just have.


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On the summer solstice from a location, on the Tropic of Cancer,
what is
The Distance to the sun at sunrise?
The Distance to the sun at noon?
The Distance to the sun at sunset?
The Distance to the sun at midnight?
Same location
During the winter solstice?
At what distance does the sun go dark?
Does this change during the year? and why?

The Sun has just turned around from the tropic of Capricorn, what is the distance?


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The Lounge / LOL 3 years
« on: July 11, 2018, 05:43:44 PM »
LoL three years almost to the day, and I'm still here, what I find interesting is that, some of the links I get, that support  a flat Earth, are overwhelmingly proving the globe, like: ISS, GPS, the sun, Moon, Mars, curvature of the earth, the list goes on.
I could stand shoulder to shoulder with a flat earther and watch a sunset, and we would not see the same thing.
I sometimes cringe, with what has been said, it is so far out in left field, I can't put into printed words, what is so wrong with it. So I remain silent.
Anyway I don't think I'm going anywhere, I'll be here for another year.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The height of the dome?
« on: December 15, 2017, 10:16:13 PM »
given this” the sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, circled the disc at a constant height of 3,000 miles.” What is the height of the first section of the dome?
And with that the sun traveling from the tropic of Capricorn, latitude is 23°26′13.0″ (or 23.43696°)[1] south of the Equator, to the tropic of cancer is currently 23°26′13.0″ (or 23.43696°) north of the equator. ? at a constant height, will this change the hight of the dome?
as a dome is a curved surface;
The height at the North Pole?
The height at the arctic circle?
The height at tropic cancer?
The heights at the equator?
The heights at tropic of Capricorn?
The Antarctic circle?
At the ice wall?
How much further south do you go to where it comes down?
On a infinite world is the dome actually flat?
As the south pole doesn’t exist on the flat earth, I do not expect an answer for it.
I will except the dome having different layers for the planets and stars.
Considering this why is there not a major change in barometric pressure at sea level at these locations?

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Flat Earth General / How did thy do it Apollo and all?
« on: August 13, 2017, 12:11:43 AM »
2001 clipps
landing
did you see all the Errors?

did Stanley Kubrick do it? If he did why the big change in the train?
part 1

part 2
and more non Kubrick stuff



   
Need I Direct you to more

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Flat Earth General / When the lie, is the truth.
« on: August 08, 2017, 01:44:34 PM »
You have the earth orbiting the sun, the moon orbiting the earth.
You have satellites, providing weather information, television. GPS, and the ISS.
You have probes, exploring the planet Mars,  and the solar system.
And a lot more.
What of the accusers,  you will find them lost in Plato’s cave,  watching the greatest show on earth, “ The earth is flat” in full belief that it is true. Or are thy inflicted with the Dunning–Kruger effect.
Can these people be rescued, with what I see on this website, apparently not. Because thy don’t want to be rescued, or understand thy can be rescued, from this delusion of the flat Earth.

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Flat Earth General / This websight has the Answer
« on: July 04, 2017, 04:14:35 PM »

The videos that you're find here at this website will answer many questions.
If you don't agree with it, you still can watch it for its entertainment.
 Enjoy.
I can't do it justice in describing, what's there, so go see it for your self.
Thanks.

http://howfarawayisit.com/

Watch them and this order.
Watch how far is it
How small is it
How fast is it
Updates


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Flat Earth Debate / allegory of the cave
« on: June 28, 2017, 07:15:10 PM »
I see the flat   earther  as a prisoner  in Plato’s cave ( allegory of the cave)  and they do not wish to be drug out of the cave,  they will fight tooth and nail, to stay in the cave. Bringing light into the cave only cast shadows  on the wall that brings confusion,  and the dismissal of the reality the light shows. The question is how can we bring them out of the cave.

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The constellations that you see the night before a Solar clips,
Are not the same constellations that you see during the solar clips  (but are the constellations that would follow six months later).
The following night the constellations, observed are of the night before.
If we are still, how do the stars move so quickly for that moment Time during the solar clips?

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Flat Earth Q&A / The observation. of Planetary motion and Moon
« on: May 25, 2017, 04:59:35 PM »
Mercury
Venus
Mars
Jupiter
Saturn

The observation of Mercury and Venus, are seemed very close to sunrise or sunset.
Morning observation of Mercury and Venus end with sunrise as they are washed out by the suns glare.
At sunset, thy are loss as thy fall below the horizon. With a telescope you can see that there are phases like of the Moon.
The observation of the Moon is different then other observations, as its sizes is close to that of the Sun, it rises in the east and sets in the west, but it moves further east, each day, taking about 29 days to get back to where was, and can be seen during the mid day. And the moon goes through phases from a full moon, to new Moon (all dark).
With the other planets, them are seen in the the dark of night rising in the east and setting in the west during one night. As you plot the outer planets from one night to next thy do not stay in place with the background stars, this motion is call retrograde motion. It was this observation, that change the earth centered Solar system, to the sun centered Solar system. I can go through the mechanics of it, but I will hold off.
My question is to the Flatearthers is, what is the mechanics that reproduce this observation on a Flatearth?
If you feel my observation is incorrect, please state the observation and then the explanation of what we see.

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Flat Earth Debate / How we got to a dome, ( Celestial sphere )
« on: December 20, 2016, 11:36:12 PM »
This is an hour long lecture it is well worth listening to, whether you are a flat Earth, or a globalist.

How the flat Earth you came about? How we got to a dome, ( Celestial sphere )?
I was unable to find the second hour of the lecture, but enjoy it anyway. I did.

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Flat Earth Debate / Shap of the dome.
« on: December 11, 2016, 11:19:44 PM »

From wikipedia we have
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_sphere
But this Celestial_sphere (dome) is not the sphere that is described in the flat Earth model, where the circumference of the dome it is represented by the ice wall, curving upward toward the North Pole, forming the dome, celestial objects are projected or are embedded on the underside of this dome. But this curvature is not seen, what is seen Is a sphere without distortion from anyone location. One cannot tell the upward climb toward the North Pole. The distance of objects on the sphere appear to be constant above and to the Horizon, no matter where you are on earth, this would not be possible if the dome came down to the wall. If I have the model wrong, please explain.

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Flat Earth Q&A / PERSEID METEOR SHOWER PRECESSIONAL PARADOX II
« on: April 26, 2016, 06:29:17 PM »
As I cannot respond in the Advance flat Earth's theory thread: i do it here.

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Sometime around the mid1500’s, after the St. Lawrence feast day had been established as August 10th, people began to call this meteor shower the “Tears of Saint Lawrence”, because right after the feast day the meteor shower would peak for a day or two. Still today the peak of this meteor shower is August 11th and 12th.

But if the Earth does not go around the sun 360 degrees then the Perseid
meteor shower should reflect precession and slip through the calendar 1 day in every 72
years, meaning it should have moved almost six days exactly since the Gregorian
Calendar Reform in 1582.

If we account for precession over the same period of 1,758 (2016 - 258) years, we should see a difference of 24.3 degrees of precession. This should have put the meteor shower on or about July 16th, instead of August the 10th as recorded.


Each and every account of the official chronology of history tells us that the Perseid meteor shower occurred each and every year in the month of August, peaking around August 11th or 12th.

Yet, this fact defies the very definition of the gradual shift in the orientation of Earth's axis of rotation (precession).

Obviously, there was no precession of the axis of rotation of Earth in the past; the Perseid meteor shower offers another definite proof that the official chronology of history was totally and completely forged.

====================

This actually shows that comet orbit the sun and the earth orbits the sun as it passes through the debris of the comet, at the same time of the year.

The  Axial precession (precession of the equinoxes) that is mention here has to do with the tilt of the axles not the orbit around the sun, and it is the orbit around the Sun that determines the timing of the Perseid meteor shower.


So what is the paradox?

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Flat Earth Debate / Occam’s razor
« on: March 13, 2016, 02:56:18 PM »
Occam’s razor : day, night Globe; Day the observer is facing the source of light, Night the observer has rotated and now facing opposite of the source of light, viewing the stars.

Occam’s razor: Night to night change in the zodiac: the Globe Earth orbits the sun in 365 days, each night facing a slightly different direction.

Occam’s razor: day on flat earth; Day the sun is overhead, Night the sun has moved 180° around from the north pole, the sun being a spotlight there is no over shine to the previous location, Night as there is a no glare from the sun you can see the stars on the dome.

Occam’s razor: Night to night change in the zodiac: the flat Earth,? Did not find an explanation.


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Flat Earth Debate / Regarding the Bedford Canal Experiment
« on: March 12, 2016, 10:23:33 PM »
It was disputed at the time
by Alfred Russel Wallace : Alfred Wallace : A. R. Wallace :
--The fact that the lecturer who styles himself "Parallax”—
http://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/wallace/S200aaAND.htm
Proofs of the Rotundity of the Earth----
 addendum
A few questions
1. why was the Bedford canal built?
Answer a drainage canal; water flows downward.
2. what happens to water that it is standing still?
Answer water become stagnant, stinks and Becomes a source of disease.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment
 

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Flat Earth Debate / Sunrise from Kauai
« on: March 06, 2016, 07:36:57 PM »
as this was a derail I thought a new topic would be in line.

We destroyed you many times months ago. Why did you come back?

...lol...lol...lol...Destroy this, funny boy : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">
Starting at 10:31
There is more evidence to around earth in this video then that of a flat Earth. The sun coming up over the Horizon.

“Modern Mechanics describes how on a Flat Earth the sun can be computed to 3,000 miles via triangulation, whereas on a globe earth those same angles can calculate the sun to nearly 93 million miles away -- “ from https://wiki.google.com/Distance_to_the_Sun

12:03 where is all that light coming from sun is to far a way to see, they call this twilight on a flat Earth it's not possible.

How is it even possible for the Sun 3000 Miles up appear to be behind the OAHU that is not even a mile high on the flat earth, this is impossible.

17:19 Does the sun look to be 3000 miles above OAHU , see the light under the clouds all so.
17:51 sun getting higher in the sky not just closer as it would be doing on a flat earth.

18:42 sun below the Horizon, not just further away it supposed to be 3000 miles high at OAHU just under a mile high, what is wrong with this picture, on a rounders it is understandable, on a flat Earth it's impossible!

20:14 Once again the sun 3000 miles up behind OAHU 0.8068182 miles up, give me a brake, really.
Once again it is people seeing something they can't understand even when it is in plain sight.

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Flat Earth Debate / Sunrise from KAUAI
« on: March 06, 2016, 02:17:28 PM »
as this was a derail I thought a new topic would be in line.

We destroyed you many times months ago. Why did you come back?

...lol...lol...lol...Destroy this, funny boy : " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">
Starting at 10:31
There is more evidence to around earth in this video then that of a flat Earth. The sun coming up over the Horizon.

“Modern Mechanics describes how on a Flat Earth the sun can be computed to 3,000 miles via triangulation, whereas on a globe earth those same angles can calculate the sun to nearly 93 million miles away -- “ from https://wiki.tfes.org/Distance_to_the_Sun

12:03 where is all that light coming from sun is to far a way to see, they call this twilight on a flat Earth it's not possible.

How is it even possible for the Sun 3000 Miles up appear to be behind the OAHU that is not even a mile high on the flat earth, this is impossible.

17:19 Does the sun look to be 3000 miles above OAHU , see the light under the clouds all so.
17:51 sun getting higher in the sky not just closer as it would be doing on a flat earth.

18:42 sun below the Horizon, not just further away it supposed to be 3000 miles high at OAHU just under a mile high, what is wrong with this picture, on a rounders it is understandable, on a flat Earth it's impossible!

20:14 Once again the sun 3000 miles up behind OAHU 0.8068182 miles up, give me a brake, really.
Once again it is people seeing something they can't understand even when it is in plain sight.

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Flat Earth Q&A / highest point in the dome
« on: November 24, 2015, 08:44:38 PM »
Why is it that when you look up, the highest point in the dome is directly above you, no matter where you stand on the earth?
When you stand in a dome stadium you can tell that you are not in the center of the stadium just by looking at the ceiling closely. On earth it is the same whenever you look, and wherever you are.There is no more sloping to the North Pole, then in any other direction.


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Flat Earth Q&A / foucault's pendulum
« on: July 26, 2015, 12:50:06 AM »

The oscillation of a Foucault's pendulum at the North Pole undergoes a full clockwise rotation during one day; a pendulum at the South Pole rotates counterclockwise.
why on a flat earth does this happen?

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