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http://whygodexists.ytmnd.com


watch it, then rip it to shreds here.

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Flat Earth Q&A / A better reason for why objects "fall" to the grou
« on: July 15, 2006, 11:11:50 PM »
Ok, for FEers and other devil's advocates. (for the record, i am an REer)

I showed why the earth accellerating at a constant 9.8m/s/s could not be the reason for the earth's percieved gravity. Without a consistant theory to why objects "fall" to the ground, all of the other FEer ideas are null. Can they/you come up with a new one?

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The Lounge / cool shuttle launch video
« on: July 11, 2006, 12:58:52 AM »
it's a camera attached to one of the main booster tanks. You see the launch all the way from liftoff to when the booster detaches and tumbles back to earth. It's really quite awesome. It's like a video of falling from space.

http://mfile.akamai.com/18566/wmv/etouchsyst2.download.akamai.com/18355/wm.nasa-global/sts-121/right_forward_srb_camera.asx

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Social Experiement
« on: July 02, 2006, 12:09:41 PM »
There was that website on it. www.eon8.com that had nothing more then a countdown, a few images, and a message saying "we don't want you here." That was left up for quite a bit of time. Immediatly people made all kinds of accusations and conspiracies over it, claiming terroism, some kind of new computer virus, even a nuclear weapon detonation. There were crys to have the website shut down(as if any of the conspiracy theories were true, shutting down the website would stop them lol). It turned out that it was all just a social experiment to see how people react to a lack of information. It's quite telling and can be somewhat applied to things like FE theory, the moon landing hoaxers, and just conspiracy theories in general. These people are reacting to either a lack of information or understanding, so they cook up conspiracy theories loaded with evil intentions of the parties involved.

http://eon8.klibbnisse.net/  is the official mirror, read more here.

EDIT: article about it here: http://www.vitalsecurity.org/2006/07/eon8-summary.html

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The Lounge / Quixtar/Amway
« on: June 26, 2006, 10:43:51 AM »
I was wondering if any of you guys have been encounted by IBOs or formerly distributors touting "the business" while you enjoyed a cheeseburger at McDonalds or were trying to buy a pair of pants at wal-mart. If we have any IBOs in here now it would be helpful to let them know how much time and money they are wasting in "the system."

For those that are not familiar with how quixtar works. There is a website that sells products. In order to buy these products, you need a code from an IBO. There is a hierarchy stemming from quixtar with a very few "tenured pins" at the top. Organizations such as WorldWide Dream Builders and Britt World Wide. Most of these Organizations came over from Amway when it changed it's name to Quixtar, although they will deny up and down any links to Amway. If you recruit new IBOs into "the system", you get a percentage of their sales. Once you get in, they encourage you to to recruit, putting little emphasis on selling products. They tell you to "buy from yourself" to meet your monthly quotas. They do not tell you that in order to not be a pyramid scheme, 70% of your sales must be from people OUTSIDE of the organization. That's means people not in or part of "the business". It's a pretty horrible business model.
Ontop of all this, you are encouraged, well more then just encouraged, to attend weekly meetings, which you pay for. You also are encouraged to buy tapes, videos, DVDs, and CDs with sucessful IBOs speaking on them about sucess. On paper these tools are "optional", but "so is sucess" they tell you. Also there is a large right-wing relgious emphasis and prayer and talk of god goes on at these meetings. There are also bi-weekly, monthly, and large quarterly conventions that allow you to sleep for no longer then 3 hours a night and pump the ideals of quixtar and whatever line of sponsership you are associated with into your brain.
You are encouraged to cut off relations with anyone that will not either "buy from you" or become an IBO under you. After all, if they were your friends/family, they would want you to suceed right? Do not read any websites, TV, books, or listen to anyone that speaks negativly about "the business" as it will put bad ideas into your head and make you unsucessful.  At the meetings, the group will chant things such as "Flush that stinkin job!" over and over for hours. People become completely immersed and dependant upon "the system." The classic definition for this kind of organization is a cult.
The vast majority of IBOs never even gross $25,000 from their sales, many spending much more then they sell on attending meetings, buyings tools, or going to conventions. The tools business, run by the tenured pins at the top of the Lines of Sponsership, is the real way people make money in quixtar. Quixtar checks from Bill Britt, the head pin of BWW, only made $56,000 from quixtar last year, according to his quixtar checks. Far from enough to support his extravagent multi-millionaire lifestyle that he touts as a result of the quixtar system. The tools business is kept secret from the IBOs until they reach the emerald or diamond level. Most IBOs, aprox 98%, never reach this point. So what the speakers and diamonds and emeralds tell all the IBO minions, that you can make money in quixtar, is a complete lie. The only way to make money in quixtar, is to recruit in as many people as possbile, and sell them tools and make them pay to see your speeches.

It's a total fucking scam.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Conspiricy?
« on: May 01, 2006, 12:54:25 PM »
I find it hard to believe that there is a world conspiricy that pushes the round earth "theory" in order to keep the "real" flat earth truth from being known.
During the cold war the US was in a bitter race with the USSR to beat them to as many firsts as possible. The first object in space, the first man in space, the first man on the moon. Also physics and other space discoveries. It is hard to believe that one space program would of not one-upped the other one by revealing the "true" form of the flat earth and claiming it as their own discovery. Perhaps the American and Russian space programs actually spent money on rockets and research, rather then super-computers to generate pictures of a flat earth.

Also it is a misconception to label NASA as a governmental agency. It is a CIVILIAN AGENCY. Much of it's funding comes from the government yes, but all of it's research, development, all of the details of it's missions, and other discoveries are all open to the public. Small businesses also recieve funding from the government, does that mean they are directly controlled by it? You FEers are forgetting this. Perhaps the attitude that every large organization has a mallignant motive is a misfounded one.

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The Lounge / Just stop and think for a minute.
« on: April 28, 2006, 04:06:42 PM »
As the Voyager 1 probe left the outerlimits of our solar system in 1990, it's camera was rotated around to look back, and from a distance of 4 billion miles from home, here is what it saw:

No words can accurately describe the feelings that I felt after seeing this picture for the first time. But there are words attributed to this image. Carl Sagan, a famous science-fiction writer, saw this, and I think his thoughts are the most accurate to mine when I look at this image.

Quote from: "Carl Sagan"
We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.

The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.

Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

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Flat Earth Q&A / No historical evidence
« on: April 28, 2006, 05:52:55 AM »
I would like to add that there has never, not once, in the entirety of human civilization, been a recorded even of a person falling over the edge of the earth. That is at least 4000 years, probably more.

Now one arguement you might propose is:

"Well that's because if you fell off, you couldn't tell anyone now could you?"

Maybe so. But in order to fall off, you need to first scale this supposed 150ft ice wall. To do that you would certainly need the help of one or more persons, not to mention the effort to get to this ice wall. So even though the person that actually went over could not tell of his fate, there would be at least one witness who could. Yet, with the exception of myths and fictional stories, there are NO historical accounts of this happening, ever.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Anyone else notice this?
« on: April 27, 2006, 04:42:24 AM »
Have you ever had to tell a lie about something, then had to tell another lie to keep the other lie from being discovered. Then had to tell another lie to a different person to keep that lie from being discovered, which would cause the whole chain of lies to be exposed?

Sounds familiar.

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Flat Earth Q&A / A few questions...
« on: April 26, 2006, 10:04:13 AM »
Let me just say that I am not a flat-earther.
With that said, instead of the usual "OMFG IT'S ROUND YOU IDIOTS" approach most people take to you guys, i'll ask some questions. I haven't read through all these posts and all of your "beliefs" (which is ultimatly what they are, sorry guys), so forgive me if I ask questions you have already answered. Please link me to a related post if i ask a question that you ahve approached already.

 During lunar eclipses, the earth's shadow on the moon is always a circle. if the earth were a flat disc, then the shadow would sometimes be eliptical and only be a circle when the earth was directly in alignment with the sun. and if the earth was always in the proper alignment with the sun to project a circular shadow on the moon during an eclipse, then it would always be day as we could see the sun all the time because it would be in alignment with the center of the disc. And if that was the case, then how could we see the moon at all, because it would be below the flat earth! which leads me to another question.

Explain why we cannot see the sun on parts of the world yet still see them on others. If the earth were flat, we would either all see the sun or all not see it. there would be no horizon on a flat earth as the horizon is something that only happens on a spherical model.

The greeks realized this long ago because if the earth was flat, then a ship on the horizon would first appear as a dot and slowly come into focus as it came closer, all at once. instead you see the mast first, and as it comes closer you see more and more down the ship. at the very least this lends to a curved earth.

Also, explain sattilites. we all know they exist. we use they every day for TV, GPS, telecommunications, on and on. You claim gravity does not exist, instead the earth, which is flat, is accelerating at 9.8m/s/s. If the earth really is accelleration at 9.8m/s/s, then these sattilites need to be able to accellerate at this speed to stay above the accellerating flat earth, which is certainly not the case. they have small boosters to correct orbits and rely on gravity to stay above the earth. if there is no gravity, then how do they stay up? Unless you have an explaination that this is all a giant conspiricy between dish network, the pentagon, and the internet.

How can you guys believe the earth is flat, when the evidence all says the earth is round. if the earth was flat, you are saying that all of modern science is flawed, when it certainly isn't.

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