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Flat Earth General / All day sun in winter from Southern Hemisphere
« on: January 17, 2017, 12:14:31 AM »
Another post about why the sun failed the flat earth model.
why am I not able to insert images?its here if anyone wants to figure out whats wrongSo I am in position A on a Flat Earth.During Summer, the distance between myself and the rising and setting suns are equal or greater than the distance during winter.Meaning I can see the sun at least the distance from position A to somewhere over Australia.But at midnight in winter, the Sun is closer or equal to that distance.This means that during winter I should be able to see the sun 24 hours a day.How does FE theory explain this?

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Flat Earth General / Reusable rocket gone to space for the second time
« on: January 22, 2016, 11:09:24 PM »
So a few months on 23 November 2015 ago Blue Origin launched their rocket New Shepard into space. Just making it past the 100km threshold.

Well, yesterday 22 January they did it again with the same craft.

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The New Shepard rockets is designed to take tourists just above the official 100km Kármán line and back. It varies with the SpaceX rocket that is intended to take many tonnes of payload into orbit.


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Flat Earth General / Any world Map
« on: January 22, 2016, 12:22:05 AM »
Early warning, this is a longish post so there is a TL;DR at the end for those that struggle to read to the end of this sentence  ::)

The Flat Earth Map (FEM - from here on) as we all know does not exist to anyone's satisfaction.
The minute someone tries to do distance calculations from a flat earth map and unsatisfactory results usually come up.
I want to tackle this issue of not having a known map, and claim that we know exactly what the earth looks like and everything's location relative to each other is well known.

But first this is the map that Flat Earth proponents like to use as an idea of a flat earth



And this is what round earth proponents think the world looks like




When the issue of map inaccuracies come up the general answer from FE advocates is that  our calculations from the UN type map is wrong, (or more correctly named the Azimuthal equidistant projection, more here >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection)
FE claims that we dont actually know the positions of the continents relative to each other. Meaning, for Flat Earth Advocates this map is just an idea and not an accurate projection.

To give an example of a common problem look at the image below



Observe the red and blue lines between real world places.

Red - Cape Town and Maputo - 1622 km
Blue - Sitka and Washington - 4622km

Now you can use your eye, a ruler or any instrument, but the results show that the red line is in no way less than 2.8 times shorter than the blue line.  I have chosen those places because they are not distances that need to be measured over ocean, although Sitka is between lakes, you can see from one side to the other in any of them. They are far North and South of the equator and they all have airports.

So we can see why Flat Earth Proponents say that the FEM is still unknown and that the Azimuthal equidistant projection is not a true projection of the earth. That map on top is clearly not a real representation of earth. Round earth proponents say that map is a projection, meaning that if you flatten the ball earth out, it would stretch and distort until you arrived at that map. The actual coordinates of those positions however will never change.

I am now going to attempt to explain to you why the Azimuthal equidistant projection is an accurate projection of the earth and discuss something that is never really touched on at TFES, coordinates

In the Map above are the coordinate grids with longitude mediums (lines going out from the center), the equator and 2 tropics. These form part of a coordinate grid system that we use to navigate. The lines are not actual lines of course, they are data points that placed over exact positions on earth. For example I live in a city at 29°53′S 31°03′E. There is no other place that can be mistaken for 29°53′S 31°03′E. If anyone on earth types in 29°53′S 31°03′E to a navigation system it will take you to my City. If I lay out a farm fence, I can use this system to get exact points where my posts must go, and no other position on earth would be correct for those coordinates.

The coordinate system is more than imaginary, they are data points linked to actual places.
If you fly a plane from Washington to Sitka you will have to enter the coordinates either in a GPS, or will fly a flight path using the coordinate system. Looking down at the ground will not help you navigate at all. The coordinate system makes the world look more like this



You cant see Cape Town, Maputo, Washington or Sitka. But you still know where they are and how to navigate from the one to the other. If the earth is any different from what the maps that we use to navigate, it means out coordinate system will also point us elsewhere. Look at all maps, they usually have to longitude and latitudes shown. That system can not change in anyway without effecting global navigation, ALL navigation. Those dots are data points for real places.

This is what Sitka to Washington looks like on a round earth



and Cape Town to Maputo



You can decide what looks right

TL;DR No flat earth map in any configuration will work with the use of the coordinate system.
Either the current world maps are correct and we can navigate using coordinates like we do today.
Or they are wrong and the coordination system actually does not exist, your GPS does not exist, and there is no way to find your way to another location other than street signs.

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Please fist look at thishttp://www.smartereveryday.com/toiletswirl before you comment. You need to look at the two video's at the same time. Its made to be viewed like that, nothing funny.

Let me know what you think, if you dispute it, find someone in the opposite hemisphere to help you repeat the experiment before you just go cry fowl.

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Flat Earth General / Why is there no acceptable FE map?
« on: May 26, 2015, 01:34:24 AM »
Why is there no acceptable FE map?

It is really easy to make maps. With cars and basic  surveyor equipment it is really easy to map out the world compared to a few hundred years ago. You could do it all with paper to avoid electronic interference with the "authorities". In fact, if a few people just started driving around mapping the world no one will ever even know.
You could even exclude Australia in the map at first as it has no land connections to any where else.

Dump the maps online and they will be as hard to erase than Snowdens leaks.

You will need more than one person to do this, and some funding, but no where close to the financial commitment as that arctic trip that's "planned"

This is really simple to do, and should prove to everyone once and for all what the layout of the known world looks like.

So, what is the hold up?

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Flat Earth Debate / Universal Acceleration
« on: April 22, 2015, 01:16:05 AM »
If Universal Acceleration (Or UA) is Universal, then why does everything on earth not accelerate with earth?
UA requires earth to accelerate up, and we are being forced down into the surface, meaning that the earth is accelerating into us. But why does matter on earth not also accelerating with this effect?
If the matter on earth where to experience the same acceleration in the same direction then there would be no gravity affect on earth, only relative "free fall".
This makes Universal Acceleration not very Universal, either the naming is incorrect or my understanding of what is accelerating is incorrect. Is there a disk under this flat earth that is affected as well as the moon and sun? but not anything else?

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Arts & Entertainment / Kerbal Space Program
« on: March 24, 2015, 11:23:32 PM »
Has anyone ever played this game?
https://kerbalspaceprogram.com/

I think all Flat Earth people need to play KSP as a 'wiki" to how gravity and space works.
Awesome game, pitty I have not played in a very long time.
Some Kerbals have been stuck on the moon for way too long.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Dual-Flat-Earth
« on: March 24, 2015, 06:13:35 AM »
Okay, so I went and went to see how the dual-flat-earth approach looks like if we calculated the distances.



First immediate problems that arise when you measure out Australia.
Calibrated Australia in the East-West (A-B) direction of 3900km with the DFE (Dual Flat Earth) map.
North - South, from Melbourne to the Most Northern tip of Aus is supposed to be about 3000km, on the DFE map it is about 2290km. just over 20% off.

Also, measuring from the Tropic of Capricorn to Tropic of Cancer, the point where the sun is directly above in the respective hemispheres should give a distance from 2580km, DFE model gives 3200 km

Okay, so they got it off just a little, lets move on.

So we are now walking from N-S Africa, from the Nile Delta to the beaches in RSA. It is summer in the North and Winter in the South.
This is where I get fuzzy with the DFE idea
Sun shines throught the "edge" of the world with its teleportation thingie all the way to the edges of Antarctica?
I have seen mentioned that there are 2 suns? But that just seems silly if you can see through the edge, because then you would see 2 suns, this makes more sense if the sun shines through the edge.

Please give clarity.

I am only looking at the transportation effect described at the E30' longitude direction, which is about 15500 km from N-S poles.


This should be about a 6900km hike, but thanks to the new DFE model we only have to travel about 4600km

I need some clarity on how the sun works, and does the teleportation affect work vertically up from the edges? Cause then I have new questions. But so far, this is what you have.

Full disclosure, none of this is my idea but comes from JRoweSkeptic.
I personally think it is batsh*t craze

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Flat Earth Q&A / Southern Hemisphere Temperatures in a FE
« on: March 23, 2015, 01:28:44 AM »
Can someone please shine light on how the southern hemisphere is as warm as the northern hemisphere.

Please observe Image below. This is the best generally accepted FE map I have as none have been provided otherwise that are substantially different.



Observe the Tropic of Cancer  and Tropic of Capricorn on FE map.
The tropic of Cancer and Capricorn are the circles of latitude where the sun is overhead in the hemispheres respective summer.

On a round earth the latitudes are both about 37 000 kilometers long

On a flat earth the distances of the Tropic of cancer differs to the tropic of Capricorn

Tropic of Cancer 37 837 km
Tropic of Capricorn 63 440 km

this results of sun over land speeds of

sun speed over Tropic of Cancer 1576 km/h
sun speed over tropic of Capricorn 2643 km/h

My question concerns how the sun could possible warm the southern hemisphere as much as the northern hemisphere if it has almost twice the distance to travel over the same 24 hour period of time?

How does the southern hemisphere warm as much as the northern hemisphere with almost half as much sunlight?



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The Lounge / How Large is a Flat Earth Conspiracy
« on: March 20, 2015, 01:03:18 AM »
So I was wondering for the sake of the flat earth argument, how many people must be involved in the conspiracy.

 - If more than half of the people are hiding the truth, then all of humanity is not against flat earth theory,more would actually be against round earth. Meaning, there is no conspiracy, just ignorance. Especially from the FE people believing what everyone else believes, just denying that most agree with them  ???
 - If there are less than half, but still a large proportion, say 1 in a 100 or 1% then everyone here has met at least a few of them in their lives. Easily at least 1 a year.
 - 1 in a thousand. Is about how many scientists are in the world. 7 million or so. This is clearly enough people to convince the world that the world is flat if they wanted to. But as a conspiracy, it is a lot of people who you have to keep from not saying anything
 - If it is just an elitist group of people that all benefit, then yes, we have a conspiracy on our hands. If anyone in on the conspiracy has no benefit to keep it a secret, then the conspiracy falls apart.

So, here are the quick list of all the people I can come up with that need to be involved in the conspiracy to make sense of their profession.

 - All people on earth involved in the airline industry - 8,7 million people, but fair enough, lots of them do admin, like planning the flights . . cause they would never know the world map is wrong. So ignoring the almost 9 million.
 - Just the pilots then - just USA over 550 000 (struggling to get good world figures)
 - All astrologers - only about 10 000 world wide
 - People involved in shipping - there are about 55 000 cargo ships in the world and they have surprisingly few people on board, about 10 or so that is another 555 000 people. this is only cargo shipping.
 - People been to Space - only a sad 536
 - All the world presidents - Its difficult to calculate how many presidents are still alive around the whole world, but we are close to a 1000 there.

I am on 1 106 536 million people so far. Still have to figure out who is benifiting from the conspiracy to pay all these people to keep quiet, but the list is far from done. I am sure we can add more people to the list.


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The Lounge / New here
« on: March 18, 2015, 06:09:57 AM »
Hi all.

Im new here as of today, mostly burning time I dont have to burn.
Have posted already, and If you have found any of my posts, it should be clear I don't see the world being flat nor everyone in on a conspiracy except for me.
When I saw a proposed flat earth map, I was seriously wondering if this was a joke as I live in South Africa and have flown to Argentina and back (no stop overs) plus have family in Australia (the other direction)

Not here to make fun of anyone, just wanna know what makes people tick

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