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Earth is flat
WE all have wondered at least once in life... Why the Moon doesn't show its Dark Side... Or other side.. I mean the system has taught us that EVERY planet and moon spins on its axis AND orbits the sun at the same time... Sounds neat but it's false.
Here's how space.com describes the Moon and it's alleged rotation :
The moon orbits the Earth once every 27.322 days. It also takes approximately 27 days for the moon to rotate once on its axis. As a result, the moon does not seem to be spinning but appears to observers from Earth to be keeping almost perfectly still.

Here's the thing... Even while during the Moon is in the process of completing it's alleged orbit of Earth... It's constant rotation on its OWN AXIS should eventually show the other side... That is plain common sense... A part of a Round Earth would witness and observe the other side of the Moon...
Hey just like how our own Earth is supposedly visible from Space changing it orbit and spinning... We've all seen the fake videos from the space station or shuttle showing.the Earth rotating on its axis

Here's a video from the fake hoax Galileo Spacecraft :
Rotating Earth from Space (Galileo spacecraft 1990) HD: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

So Earths rotation on its axis is visible from Space but the Moons alleged rotation somehow can't be seen by any side of the round Earth or even from Space?

Is the Moon somehow sacred that Nasa cannot records it's rotation for all to see but it can record perfectly somehow the orbit of far away planets Like Jupiter?

Jupiter is allegedly 365 MILLION miles away and the Moon according to NASA is our nearest neighbor and again according to them is 239,000 miles away

Check this video on YouTube showing the complete rotation of Jupiter on its axis which is supposedly very fast in that it completes it's rotation in just under 10 hours...(by the way...how the heck does a satellite just stay still in space filming this hoax for 10 hours?  Lmao)

Jupiter's full rotation in 2014 best edition!: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

I think I will pass on this utter nonsense.. So funny..
 Proves again that our Earth is Flat... That the Moon Or Earth DO NOT rotate on their made up axis.

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Do you really people on this board are dumb enough to actually believe obvious fake looking still pictures from NASA... Sad to such obvious fakery... No videos... No evidence of the space station...Never can be photographed from Earth.. The space launches all curve instead of going straight up.. LOl such an obvious scam.. Sorry but we don't accept lies here

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Again not a single picture from space for the so called 'eclipse' that occurred in Britain.. truly laughable..
Glad people from around the world have this site now

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The Earth is so flat.. sorry

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All the videos that people have seen show a flat as ever Earth in Helium Balloon videos.. I guess the new way to try to shut the truth is just straight out lie now on what clearly is seen in video as well

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About this supposed eclipse that happened in Britain.. how can it just be mostly visible over there? If the Moon really does come in  between the Sun and Earth on a round earth fake model .. than half the Earth visible towards the Sun should be COMPLETELY DARK.. yet that never happens with any of these eclipses.

England is the head of the Royal Pagan bloodlines.. they aren't from Jesus or anyone holy as they proclaim.
They have such rituals as eclipses and worshipping of the sun. Sunday of course comes from that ..

Also so called 'Prince' William was born on a solar eclipse and many pagans celebrated that the King they had been waiting for was born.
Perhaps the AntiChrist? who knows... but the fact is they faked this eclipse to give importance to him that somehow the cosmos were giving a sign..

The fact is the Sun and Moon.. created by Allah the one God .. do not bow to any human or get eclipsed or blocked.

And than those Red Blood Moons... they released these fancy charts going back centuries of when the so called last Tetrad of Blood Moons had happened .. and just magically it seems to coincide with important Jewish historical events... this is all designed to make the Jews feel Special and to be able to make them believe their 'Messiah' is here.. who actually will be the Anti Christ.. opposed to Jesus Christ.. who was just a messenger .. that he will make clear to the Christians when he comes back.. Since the time of Adam.. God was always one.. as is stated in Islam..that is what Prophet Adam pbuh preached... Enoch... Noah.. Abraham.. Joseph.. Solomon.. Moses.. Jesus and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.. Never were any of them revealed a message by God stating he had a family or a Son or Mary the Mother..

For anyone with even the slightest rational thinking still in their souls.. its plain to see that the Roman Pagans that ruled over Palestine during Jesus's time.. introduced this pagan doctrine called Trinity... Jesus was a human. .it is way below God himself to turn himself into a human when that is HIS CREATION.. he is far and above and holy.. to suggest God defecated.. or used the restroom. or needed to feel human suffering? He is the one who created humans himself.. he knows how we work better than even we could ever..

So all this paganism has infected all of society.. including these staged eclipses..

The fact that these so called eclipses occur in just random spots instead of half the Earth being dark.. and the fact that you NEVER see any celestial body in front of the Sun approaching it.. we only see it when it actually starts being on top of the sun.. goes to show the complete charade..

Allah makes clear in the Quran.. that the Sun and Moon CANNOT catchup or night and day cannot outstrip each other...

The reason this alleged fake so called rare eclipse was staged in Britain is that this year William turns 33... and as everyone knows thats a very important Satanic Illuminati number.. Some have even suggested that he might proclaim to be the Messiah of the Jews.. and the savior of the world (ya right).. so to set all this up.. and make the Jewish rabbis and their flock believe this... these events have to be staged.. From the eclipse on his birth.. to now in his 33 years of age.. all of this has PAGAN ritual written all over this.

Man, you're special (not a compliment)! Living in Texas among the most radical christians and still believe in Allah...

Never said I was Christian.. and there are Christians who believe in just One God without any thing attached to him.
Regardless, I don't see where you live has anything to do with regarding Flat Earth beliefs

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https://www.google.com/#q=eclipses+fake&start=10

I'm glad to report that my thread is showing on page number 2 of Google Searches when you type : eclipses fake

So that thousands if not millions can get another side of the story they will never hear on mainstream media or in school.

And of course that thread leads to the Flat Earth Society.. the bottom line of it all.. our Earth is Flat. .
Our goal is to make everyone as aware of the truth so that they can become better people. How you ask?
Well once you realize humans were created special and for a reason.. you can focus on what matters most.. belief in one god
and not just some random NASA or Hollywood pagan culture.. that will lead us to nowhere but hell itself.

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The Moon as is observed by our VERY OWN EYES.. doesn't not ROTATE.
I hear some of the shills state that they just saw the Eclipse in Britain with their OWN EYES..
Well we ALL. .BILLIONS have seen.. .WITH OUR OWN EYES... that the Moon NEVER ROTATES.

And that is one confirmed fact since the first humans.. all recorded in history.

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These Blood Red Moons.. as I was saying.. how do they even turn red? This is such a sick joke.
The Moon does not change color .. Red is the color of satan.. of blood.. of evil.. God's creations are beautiful and perfect..

So no the Moon doesn't turn Red every few centuries.. that is plain non sense and more paganism.

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HOLY QURAN sura 36, verse 40:
"The sun must not catch up the moon, nor does the night outstrip the day. Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion."
I just realized how we have been lied to.
If you lookup on Google pictures of lunar or solar eclipses from any decade before...1940 1950 or 1960 you Never see any pictures or video...are you kidding me?
And the way these so called eclipses occur: it's as if they are SLIPPING a piece of something or projection on to the moon or sun for these eclipses.
For example during a so called solar eclipse (meaning during the day)... If something truly was about to pass in FRONT of the Sun... WE WOULD SEE IT Coming... Yet we only see alleged 'moon' ONLY when it starts flying right in front of the Sun..what they are doing is creating an ILLUSION somehow where they use projectors... It's as if something from Earth or the atmosphere is used to fly over and block the sun and moon.

The first pictures available for these fake eclipses start popping up in 1970.. Right after the fake Moon landings.. Since there is a Ice Firmament 100 miles above or so
..that cannot be crossed as stated in the Quran and Bible.

since I know and many know the Earth is flat and the Sun and Moon each have their own orbit and neither can catch up on one and other since one is for day and one for night..paraphrasing the Quran... And also in the Bible it mentions clearly that the Sun and Moon have orbits not Earth.

These eclipses work great with the Satanic Pagan Nasa new age model by basically trying to give God the middle finger... And to make fun of his great signs and creation.
In the Bible and Quran it mentions how the Sun and Moon are SIGNS from God...so why would God 'block' his OWN signs... Unless this is a VERY recent phoenomena..
All these silly colored eclipses like the blood Moons with the red coloring.. How silly...these Satan worshippers at Nasa and all over the world now.. At the UN just look at the flag for the UN it's FLAT... They all have been playing a big game with us... To basically drive us to hell with Satan.. And disconnect us from Allah/God... They will do anything.. Nothing is out of the question... Are indoctrination since we were born goes very DEEP and thus EVERYTHING we were taught MUST be questioned.
One of the biggest arguments these New World Order zombies state is that a lunar eclipse isn't possible in a Flat Earth Model... Well the Earth is fixed... And those two.. The sun and moon have Orbits... They had to invent these eclipses as another way of denying the flatness of Earth.
Water never curves on the horizon... Weather balloons sent up 50 miles even show a FLAT horizon...what your gut always told you since you were a kid has been right..Round Earther Satanists state that the Earth rotates at about 1,000mph on its axis... Or 16 miles a minute or about .27 miles a second.. So let's say someone jumped off a tree and it took 5 seconds to fall down to the ground... According to the round earth Satan model the person should be About 1.5 miles away!??
Yet they are not. ThThey always end up right where they started.
If a pickup truck is moving and you jump off of it you will fall... Also if a truck is going East and the Earth allegedly rotates East on its axis... Than when you jump up from a flat bed truck you should be ahead of the truck in the round earth model yet more than likely you will just end up falling off the truck.
sura 21, verse 33:
"(God is) the One Who created the night,and day, the sun and the moon.  Each one is travelling in an orbit with its own motion."

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About this supposed eclipse that happened in Britain.. how can it just be mostly visible over there? If the Moon really does come in  between the Sun and Earth on a round earth fake model .. than half the Earth visible towards the Sun should be COMPLETELY DARK.. yet that never happens with any of these eclipses.

England is the head of the Royal Pagan bloodlines.. they aren't from Jesus or anyone holy as they proclaim.
They have such rituals as eclipses and worshipping of the sun. Sunday of course comes from that ..

Also so called 'Prince' William was born on a solar eclipse and many pagans celebrated that the King they had been waiting for was born.
Perhaps the AntiChrist? who knows... but the fact is they faked this eclipse to give importance to him that somehow the cosmos were giving a sign..

The fact is the Sun and Moon.. created by Allah the one God .. do not bow to any human or get eclipsed or blocked.

And than those Red Blood Moons... they released these fancy charts going back centuries of when the so called last Tetrad of Blood Moons had happened .. and just magically it seems to coincide with important Jewish historical events... this is all designed to make the Jews feel Special and to be able to make them believe their 'Messiah' is here.. who actually will be the Anti Christ.. opposed to Jesus Christ.. who was just a messenger .. that he will make clear to the Christians when he comes back.. Since the time of Adam.. God was always one.. as is stated in Islam..that is what Prophet Adam pbuh preached... Enoch... Noah.. Abraham.. Joseph.. Solomon.. Moses.. Jesus and Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.. Never were any of them revealed a message by God stating he had a family or a Son or Mary the Mother..

For anyone with even the slightest rational thinking still in their souls.. its plain to see that the Roman Pagans that ruled over Palestine during Jesus's time.. introduced this pagan doctrine called Trinity... Jesus was a human. .it is way below God himself to turn himself into a human when that is HIS CREATION.. he is far and above and holy.. to suggest God defecated.. or used the restroom. or needed to feel human suffering? He is the one who created humans himself.. he knows how we work better than even we could ever..

So all this paganism has infected all of society.. including these staged eclipses..

The fact that these so called eclipses occur in just random spots instead of half the Earth being dark.. and the fact that you NEVER see any celestial body in front of the Sun approaching it.. we only see it when it actually starts being on top of the sun.. goes to show the complete charade..

Allah makes clear in the Quran.. that the Sun and Moon CANNOT catchup or night and day cannot outstrip each other...

The reason this alleged fake so called rare eclipse was staged in Britain is that this year William turns 33... and as everyone knows thats a very important Satanic Illuminati number.. Some have even suggested that he might proclaim to be the Messiah of the Jews.. and the savior of the world (ya right).. so to set all this up.. and make the Jewish rabbis and their flock believe this... these events have to be staged.. From the eclipse on his birth.. to now in his 33 years of age.. all of this has PAGAN ritual written all over this.

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Not to mention all those far away alleged satellites that are 19.5 Billion kilometers away... Like voyager 1 .  They haven't frozen yet?  Lol

Its in interstellar space (made up by Nasa) but it beams.back data and hasn't frozen and shattered.. Only an intentional deceiver would lie to others about such nonsense even after they have been shown the truth.

GOD made man so special.. And the center of everything... We are so blessed... The signs are everywhere... But the Satan Jinn made of Plasma and his human allies would want us to believe we are some random occurrence that evolved from monkeys.. Jealousy sure does suck... Sorry Humans win


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Absolute Zero is allegedly -459 degrees Fahrenheit
Wonder how they measure that to begin with.. But anyways point of this thread is how satellites don't ever freeze even though the dark side of Earth has no sun rays hitting it and according to Nasas way of things working the temperature should be nearly zero.

To put into perspective.. During World War 2 the Nazi war machine was basically ground to a halt due to the bitter cold with temperatures below 32 Fahrenheit... Tanks and machinery don't work when it starts getting to subzero temperatures... Now imagine -459 degrees Fahrenheit?? 
This is another sick joke played by Nasa.

Now all the shills will try to come up with fancy explanations how the satellite generates it's own heat or made up things like that.. But fact is electronics or anything else like semiconductors malfunction at such temperatures and the satellite would literally shatter if it was going at 17,500 mph in low earth orbit (whatever that is) as Nasa states
..frozen...and going super fast yet these satellites seem to never stop working!  Haha wow
And on the other end...the temperature reaches more than 2200 degrees in the low earth orbits.... Steel melts at 2000 degrees.. Yet for years and years these satellites operate without a glitch?  Ya sure...
The argument regarding this by the intentional Liars is that there only a few molecules in space so not much heat is transferred... What??  Lmao
The charade never ends... With these clowns...

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The reason Nasa and the Satan controlled world order doesn't issue a picture from high altitude is because it would show things they don't want us to know...Including the clear fact the Earth is flat but also that the sun and moon orbit earth.
today England had  a 2 hour super eclipse allegedly... Now how the heck can the moon take two hours to cross the Sun?
And also how do shills explain the fact that people have actually witnessed eclipses WHILE the MOON was on the other side and visible during the day...
So Many apparent lies and distortions with all of this...disgusting really

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Common sense dictates that when someone states something.. you look at THEIR TRACK RECORD. Is this an honest person? Has he EVER lied before?
What do other people say about him?
Is he known as a truthful person in the community?
Has he ever hurt his fellow man?
Has he ever stolen money?

These kinds of questions are needed to be asked for ANYONE .. whether an individual or an organization of people such as NASA and the US Government and the Banks etc etc...

If we are to believe that NASA and the USA are telling the truth about the Earth being round.. well what is their credibility as in regards to the their conduct in the past?

The truth is.. the US and NASA which is part of the government... has killied MILLIONS... has LIED.. by launching false wars.. releasing fake images from alleged satellites of Weapons of mass destruction
The US has produced chemical weapons and give them to Iraq in the 80's...
The US and the Jewish Zionist Bankers have invented interest which has ENSLAVED BILLIONS of people today. Interest is clearly forbidden in the Bible and Quran yet they pay no attention to that.
What does this whole banking system and international order show you? That these people could care less of their brothers and sisters. They are out to kill, maim, profit off of others.
How do they do that? Well through LYING and DECEIVING.

The same people who lied about Iraq... who demolished the twin towers and blamed innocent Muslims .. in the process killed hundreds of Americans...

Well how can I trust people with such a track record? Its fair to say that I have EVERY RIGHT TO QUESTION anything that comes out of their mouth.


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: if we know nasa fake photos, why trust any?
« on: March 12, 2015, 04:56:26 AM »
Publicity. NASA sees strings of blinking lights in the night sky and go "oooh it's a galaxy i bet let's draw up what it could look like since we have verified that it is there from the blinky lights and say that is what it is lol this is good science". This is basically how NASA conducts their entire operation.

I don't know what your talking about.. but ya .. this stuff looks fake as heck . Thank You

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Denying that photos can be fake is absolutely preposterous. It is like denying that people can lie.

Sad to see the lack of free thinking by some.

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User by name 'Geerod' posted this in one of my threads on GLP.. Which is basically a shill setup..

A question to any aviator's on this thread.

Below would be a scenario on a trans Atlantic flight or longer.

When a pilot takes off in a plane and reaches cruising altitude,if the earth was round wouldn't the plane keep ascending higher and higher as he circle's the globe if no altitude adjustment's were constantly being made?

I would imagine he would eventually go into space without making these altitude adjustment's. Correct?

I mean in a flat earth scenario the plane's altitude would always remain fixed,right?

But in a round earth it wouldn't without making constant altitude adjustments.

Correct me if I am mistaken as I am not an aviator.

Please enlighten me somebody on this important issue!
(this user brings up such a great point and another atessment to.the FLATness of Earth.. Thank you Geerod



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The jokes on you ! I can imagine mini me Austin Powers and rest of the illuminati gang in a room...getting drunk 🍻 and having wild homosexual parties and laughing at the dumb sheep 🐑..

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I've flown alot and no cell phones don't work at 30,000 feet.
I already stated in.not talking about the calling or Internet part
I'm referring to the location /GPS function that people like the ones on this thread lie to.others about and show off their great technology.. Ya sure lol

If satellites were real and above me.when.I fly.. Than.I would NEVER loose my GPS location services even if my cell tower connection didn't work

Busted! 

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Yes..exactly what many know as the truth... earth and moon dont rotate

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When I've traveled in an airplane.. I loose not just calling service but also 'GPS satellite service'...
We are told that GPS comes from GPS satellites...

When I'm traveling outside in the country away from population.. I notice I loose cell phone coverage and can't make calls or get on the Internet on my smartphone... But one thing that always works on the ground is my so called GPS signal... I can still see my Google Maps location live as I drive.
If these satellites truly existed ABOVE Earth. Than while I'm in an airplane flying... I shouldn't loose GPS signal... Yet I do
Its apparent that so called GPS is relayed using terrestrial or Land based or other methods.. Nothing that involves space objects

That's because satellites don't exist point proven...the Earth is flat.

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Satellites don't exist and the Earth  🌐again is proven to be Flat

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This ties in with everything else I have mentioned... No video from space of Eclipses... No video 📹 of the Dark side of the Moon... No 360 view videos from alleged space walks...

This is such a staged drama 🎩.. A form of theater 🎭 that has clowns🃏 playing games ⚽

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AusGeoff, and what is your opinion? Objective? Of course, we're giving personal opinions here. You don't have empirical evidence when it comes to a funny picture of the far side of the Moon. Even you should admit that. How exactly do you know the picture is real. Describe at least the reasoning behind your conviction. I think the so-called picture is a real photo, but not of the Moon. It is a photo of a model which they photographed in a studio. I don't expect you to agree with me, but like I said you can't prove it is real either, so relax.

My opinion is shared by thousands of astrophysicists the world over.  Your opinion that those images are bogus is shared by a mere handful of flat earth believers.  My opinion is backed by expert scientific antecedents and ratiocination.  Your opinion is backed by unevidenced guesses made in desperation to support your purported flat earth notion.

Oh, I see now. So you are right just because everyone else thinks like you not because you have any evidence to back it up. Good thinking! What you mentioned is not evidence. You don't have evidence. You can't have evidence. You haven't been to space. You trust someone who is basically making a fool out of you. I definitely don't get it how believing unconditionally in whoever doesn't constitute naivety. No reasonable person should believe a picture is real without evidence it is. In this case, the evidence doesn't exist. It cannot be verified by anyone independently. By the way, pictures are never evidence.

I'll second that great point by Saros.

My gut feeling tells me that many so called posters here are INTENTIONALLY here to deceive /distract/ deny THE TRUTH.
Many are on the payroll of NASA/government no doubt.
No one spends so much time counteracting Flat Earth if it was the MOST BOGUS idea in history.

Check out images of the Illuminati Card Game:
https://imageshack.com/user/umairq17
Like the Illuminati Card Game states: "People laugh, but the flat earthers know something.."
These Cards released many years ago.. before 9/11... show 9/11 occurring... show a fake moon landing that is filmed in a studio
.. and many other FACTS that have happened or will happen.

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Check out this fake video from ESA (European Space Agency)
European Spacecraft to Watch Solar Eclipse from Space Tuesday: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

It shows a time-lapse of Nearly 3 HOURS.
Now how in the world does a satellite stay STILL in space for 3 HOURS??
That right there proves beyond a doubt that this video is a fake and so is the notion that there are satellites in space and eclipses.
I would like to hear some fancy madeup science from Round Earthers to explain this obvious hoax from ESA.

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Any free thinking 👨 or 👩 can tell that those images are completely fake and not of the moon.  The Luna 3 image is a fuzzy blurred piece of art 🎨

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When I state an authentic video.. I mean the kind we see when honest folk send helium balloons with an HD camera that shows us the whole 360 degrees view of the surroundings...
Like this?
#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">Elipser 1 - zbor stratosferic n timpul eclipsei
This video clearly shows the Earth being flat all over the horizon.... Second.. It shows the Sun casting a spotlight on the ground right below and Earth is still VISIBLE BEHIND the Sun. Now how the hell is that possible for the Sun to be OVER Earth?  Busted

Guess what. On 20th of March, this year, there will be a partial eclipse in Poland, I will then show you and you'll say am I CGI-master or normal man, still higher in the hierarchy than a farmer from Texas.

In Poland? I am also in Poland. Is everyone here in Poland, wtf?By the way, solar eclipse proves absolutely nothing. I mean, it doesn't prove the Earth is round at all. It just proves the sun can be eclipsed:)

But this topic is going about sun eclipses, so we talk about sun eclipses, because this farmer, that lives in a place with a history of tens of eclipses doesn't accept that sun eclipses do exist!

PS: A mwisz po polsku? :)

Tak, mowię po polsku ale nie o to chodzi :) I am not sure why he doesn't accept that eclipses exist. He probably means that eclipses are not caused by the Moon blocking the Sun but there is a different mechanism behind them. Of course eclipses occur regularly and supposedly the reason for them is quite clear, but who knows .

He's just a regular Texas farmer, logic from him isn't needed.

PS: Aah, so you're not Polish?

No, I am not Polish, but I live here. Anyway, I don't see why you attack the guy so much. He has a valid point. If space travel was real there would be more videos and images from space.

Lol.. SAROS.  I'm glad that you see my simple point while some don't: if we truly have 1,100 active satellites and space shuttles and different space stations from Mir to ISS... Than why hasn't an eclipse been filmed from inside one of these spacecraft with the crew in them?  lol simple

As far as my background... Honestly it shouldn't affect how others view my argument... But fact is I live in Houston Texas where NASA is based. I also had a neighbor just two doors down who was allegedly an astronaut and spent 9 months on the ISS... He and his wife were complete jerks.. Any little thing such as my Sports cars being supposedly loud or me having a house party.. Or my cats.. They always seemed in a pissy bad mood.. This so called astronaut would walk his dog right in front of my house.. 2880 Carrera ct league city tx 77573...  That was my address.. I was renting the house and was only 23 at that time living in a $450,000 house...driving several nice cars including a $100,000 Dodge Viper... I'm not showing off at all I'm not like that...my point is that someone Who supposedly was one of the FEW men in history to go into space and LIVE there...well he didn't act humbled or content about his good fortune.. They were always mad about the smallest things... And  it was obvious they were jealous of someone so young being so successful while he had to work all his life... To be in the house and life he had.... It showed clearly and just made me think how unthankful they were for having had a family member who goes to space...  He lived in the house two houses to the right if your looking at the door to my old house....
as far as me being a farmer lol that's far from the truth... Houston is the 4th largest city in the US.. And so I'm a big city boy...

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When I state an authentic video.. I mean the kind we see when honest folk send helium balloons with an HD camera that shows us the whole 360 degrees view of the surroundings...
Like this?
#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">Elipser 1 - zbor stratosferic n timpul eclipsei
This video clearly shows the Earth being flat all over the horizon.... Second.. It shows the Sun casting a spotlight on the ground right below and Earth is still VISIBLE BEHIND the Sun. Now how the hell is that possible for the Sun to be OVER Earth?  Busted

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