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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 06:54:33 AM »

The difficulty is in lining them up.

There's no difficulty.

Then why can't you post photos of your experiment if it's so easy to do?
You were the one that got smug and tried to dupe people.
I'm asking you to prove your honesty and you're showing me you can't,  which isn't any surprise, to me.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 06:53:22 AM »


As honest as you cutting out the rest of my quote?
It's just repetition.

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But you know fine well the ball cannot push back.
No, I know that it can.
The fact that it takes energy to accelerate is the resistance. It is called inertia, something you hate as it destroys your attacks on science.
It takes a force to accelerate the ball.
This force exists as part of an action-reaction pair.
The action is the person applying a force to accelerate the ball.
The reaction is the ball applying a force to accelerate the person.

Nice and simple.

No need to invoke any air.
I'm going to give you a scenario and see if you can answer it honestly and without bias.



 You have a medicine ball at the front end of a  tube that is sealed at the other end and that tube is horizontal and affixed to a wall at the sealed end.
You are on a skateboard holding a medicine ball that is just smaller than the tube. Just enough to hold it in one hand while you have the other hand to push it.
With the palm of your hand you push as hard as you can on that ball.

Immediately you feel the skateboard going in the opposite direction to your push and quite a rate of movement.
You also notice the ball didn't go anywhere near the other end of the tube, because it seemed to have something that prevented it that you could feel on that push.

So here's some questions and I'd appreciate as many people answering to this and not just globalists.

1. Do you believe the medicine ball compressed the air inside that tube?

2. Do you think the medicine ball compressing that air was due to your energy in pushing it to cause that compression?

3. Do you believe a reaction to this would be for the air to decompress and find a way past the medicine ball as much as it pushes back on that medicine ball by the energy applied to it, as in, action and equal and opposite,reaction?

4.Do you believe the reaction against your push in due to this and is why the skateboard is pushed backwards due to it having little friction, nor high resistance to that push?



Scenario 2.


Turn the tube vertically plumb, or close to it and affix the sealed end to a ceiling or a fairly solid resistance.

Hold the medicine ball in the palm of your hand whilst standing on a small trampoline.
Now you push the medicine ball up the tube with as much force as you can muster.

You feel the trampoline resistance underfoot being stretched and being pushed down. You know for sure it isn't being pulled down from under you...right? If you think it is, then tell me why?

Anyway, logic can tell you your energy and push on that medicine ball has compressed the air inside the tube and the harder and faster you push, the more compressed to make the air inside of that tube and that air creates an opposite reaction to that action, equally, which is why the trampoline springs stretch and the cloth moves down.

I think any logical person can understand this.



Now then, if you were to do the very same experiments without the tube you will lose a lot of reactionary compression of air but the initial compression of it is enough to cause opposite movement, albeit much less, as we see with the skateboard experiment that the little lad put up, earlier on.


The more densely packed an object is, the more atmosphere is displaces. For example: the medicine ball.
The less densely packed and object is, the less atmosphere it displaces. For example: a thin skinned air filled football.

Let's deal with the throwing of these two balls, on that skateboard.

The medicine ball resists a lot of air around it with it's dense make up of matter displacing it. To give you an example and a mindset on what that means, just think of it being in water and how much water that ball would displace by it's very own mass, if it was submerged.
You can understand that very little water could penetrate it except what was already within it, in between the mass of matter it's made up from (think back to air).

If you were to stop time/movement and take that medicine ball out of the water, it would leave a cartoon like gap of it. This is what it was displacing.
To understand the pressure upon that ball, restart time and movement and watch as the water crashes into the gap left by the ball.
Quite a push...right?
Ok, transfer that to it being in atmosphere and displacing the atmosphere just the same and stopping time and movement, then take away the ball and you see the same kind of thing. the cartoon gap.
Restart time and movement and the atmosphere crashes in to fill that gap.

A lot of pressure that is overlooked in favour of fictional gravity.

Now let's go to the football with the thin skin and air and go back to the water analogy.

You have a football filled with water in water and separated by a skin that displaces the water. The water inside of it is already part of the water outside but is trapped inside by the thin skin.
So basically the thin skin is all that is displacing the water, which means it is under little pressure.
To gain a better understanding of it, you have to burst that ball and release the water. You now have a small skin that, if folded up tight, would be minimal in size.

Let's go back to air.
The ball is air and skin against air.
It has little displacement of it, provable by bursting it and folding it up to show that.















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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 04:30:03 AM »

The difficulty is in lining them up.

There's no difficulty.

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You sure do love ignoring simple questions.
It appears you do.
Try asking one that is on topic, rather than intentionally trying to change the subject to pretend air is required for everything.

Again:
What force is pushing the ball away?


The energy applied to it by the person.
And thus by the law of action-reaction, that means the ball is accelerating the person.

i.e. no need for any air.
But you know fine well the ball cannot push back. It has to create a resistance to the person's push.
That resistance is?.......................?

Atmospheric pressure.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 01:44:21 AM »
It only makes it marginally harder to set up but massively harder to cheat
No, it makes both significantly harder and doesn't make it relatively harder to cheat.
It requires you to carefully line up 3 crosshairs over 11 feet.
That will be quite hard. Especially if whoever is doing it doesn't have fancy equipment made to level distant poles.

And due to the angles involved, it will do nothing to stop someone who wants to cheat not having them actually level.


If you think that's hard to replicate then change it to a simple stick in the ground beside the roadway and place the tube atop of the stick.
Set two up like this and a stick behind them with a crosshair, as in my diagram.
How simple is that?

No need for tripods, just a level and a hammer to tap down each stick to a desired plumb and level. Farthest being the longest stick and tube then up the gradient to the second, lined up and then farther with a shorter stick and  hanging crosshair...and....voila.

Having said that, obviously none of you need bother to do it and you can still spend all your time arguing it...but you're proving nothing to me and I have nothing whatsoever to prove to you people.
My stuff is for those who are willing to think.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 01:37:08 AM »


Again septic, semantics. This logic is so clearly flawed its not even fun to debate you on it.

I am genuinely sad at the state of the these forums, we all knew 99% of the people here didn't believe the world was flat, but the mental exercise of debating both sides helped sharpen the logical mind.

Now we have... this.
If it's so soul destroying for you then stop torturing yourself by replying. Just see it for what you think it is and be happy.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 01:35:07 AM »


Yes I can replicate your experiment.
Then, let's see how honest you are in doing so.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 22, 2021, 09:59:13 AM »
Are you shamed of your own setup?
See if you can replicate it.

That's a drawing of your imaginary setup, not a photo. Surely you did this experiment yourself to verify what you see?
Are you capable of replicating it?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 22, 2021, 09:33:19 AM »
Are you shamed of your own setup?
See if you can replicate it.


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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 22, 2021, 09:20:20 AM »
How about you stop calling me a liar
I've never called you a liar, Now how about you do your experiment I asked for and do it honestly.

You did so, and just did it again.  What do you think dishonest means?  What do you think duping means?  What do you think accusing people of not being honest is saying?  Do you understand what a synonym is?   
You are being very dishonest by claiming I called you a liar.
Now then, if you don't want to do the experiment due to being unable to find a way to dupe me and others, then fine. No issues from me.


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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 22, 2021, 09:05:15 AM »


How about you stop calling me a liar
I've never called you a liar, Now how about you do your experiment I asked for and do it honestly.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 22, 2021, 08:39:42 AM »


All you can do is call me a liar as you just did again, and refuse to answer questions.

Do the experiment and shut me up. Make sure I can't pick at it.

Why can't you just post pictures of your own experiments? Why are you refusing to show them?
No need to, I know exactly what's what.
You decided you'd dupe me and got well called out.
Do it honestly and you can shut me right up.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 22, 2021, 08:15:04 AM »


All you can do is call me a liar as you just did again, and refuse to answer questions.

Do the experiment and shut me up. Make sure I can't pick at it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: January 22, 2021, 08:09:57 AM »
So no. I didnít think so.

You will never beat me.


For the others, sceptitank is just using recycled arguments. One of my quotes was from 2017. He was long destroyed on this topic. Just ignore the North Korean.
Maybe the video didn't show up where you live.
Never mind.
It shows people being catapulted up with compressed air trapped inside a thin membrane.



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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: January 22, 2021, 08:02:42 AM »
Do you have any video of people jumping off the air? I tried it but I canít.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: January 22, 2021, 07:45:47 AM »
Maybe this will help:
Quote from: sokarul
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Why can't I use my feet to compress air and jump off of the air?


Quote from: sokarul link=Etopic=74250.msg2022893#msg2022893 date=1518300242
You should learn how to double jump. You know, like in video games. You jump and then jump in air to get s double jump. Since you can push off air and all.



Iím not a question of need, itís a question if itís possible.

Is it possible to jump off air like a rocket and medicine ball ďjumpĒ off air?
Yes it's possible but why are you asking this?

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: January 22, 2021, 07:30:10 AM »
Every one knows they can jump off the ground. See basketball players. Iím wondering if I first jump off the ground can I then jump off the air?
Why would you need to jump off the air?

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: January 22, 2021, 07:21:26 AM »
So if I jump off the ground I can then jump off the air?
I don't think we are talking about using the ground to jump off, so what are you talking about?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 22, 2021, 07:19:19 AM »



I'm pretty sure they teach people what the shape of a ball is in high school. How you failed to learn that is a mystery.


I did learn it. It was called severe indoctrination...and just like god and santa and the tooth fairy, plus the devil and all the rest of the little add ons...I managed to grow out of it and see it for what it was. Story telling fantasy.

You still believe it all and likely have pictures on your bedroom wall. That's fine, by the way...but.... you have had the ability to see past the story due to seeing it being questioned. Many people haven't had the time nor the inclination to bother.

No, you clearly didn't learn it because you can't even explain what the words you use mean.

I think the only words you really understand are synonyms for liar, as you think the whole world is lying to you. I hate to break it to you, but you not being able to understand the world doesn't mean it's false.  It just means you don't understand it.

So where are your experimental photos? You must have a lot of hungry dogs. Feed the poor things!
You've got yourself into a right mess here. It's tantrum attacking. I think you need to calm it down now. You're getting nowhere with this. Either do the experiment or don't. I'm not going to spend post after post trying to pacify your crying and whining.

Get back to me when you've got something honest.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: January 22, 2021, 06:31:57 AM »
You sure do love ignoring simple questions.
It appears you do.
Try asking one that is on topic, rather than intentionally trying to change the subject to pretend air is required for everything.

Again:
What force is pushing the ball away?


The energy applied to it by the person.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 22, 2021, 06:29:41 AM »



I'm pretty sure they teach people what the shape of a ball is in high school. How you failed to learn that is a mystery.


I did learn it. It was called severe indoctrination...and just like god and santa and the tooth fairy, plus the devil and all the rest of the little add ons...I managed to grow out of it and see it for what it was. Story telling fantasy.

You still believe it all and likely have pictures on your bedroom wall. That's fine, by the way...but.... you have had the ability to see past the story due to seeing it being questioned. Many people haven't had the time nor the inclination to bother.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 22, 2021, 06:25:47 AM »

And as I pointed out, THAT WONT STOP SOMEONE FAKING IT!
All it does is make the experiment harder, regardless of if you want to fake it or not.

It only makes it marginally harder to set up but massively harder to cheat...and you know it...and so does JJA, which is why he went and done the globe experiment after telling me he wasn't going to do the one I set up.
It stinks of dishonestly, no matter what you say.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: January 21, 2021, 11:54:34 PM »

You sure do love ignoring simple questions.

It appears you do.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 21, 2021, 11:52:18 PM »
The second tube with a picture of the set up was to ensure the tubes weren't configured like you showed them.
And as pointed out, the second tube does not prevent that.
 
Hence why I added in the hanging crosshair.
It's harder to carry od the unlevel set up with two scopes but, as you mention, it doesn't stop it happening. The hanging crosshair does.
And you know it and that's why you're avoiding it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 21, 2021, 11:26:16 PM »
The hanging crosshair stops something like that.
No it doesn't.
And before that you just added a second tube for no reason at all.


The second tube with a picture of the set up was to ensure the tubes weren't configured like you showed them.
The crosshair hanging behind them both was to add a level element to the view into those two tubes, so as to ensure that the situation you gave, doesn't happen.

This is exactly why JJA won't do it. He's trying to figure out a way to dupe it and he's struggling to make it look legitimate.


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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: January 21, 2021, 11:21:11 PM »
I'll make this more simpler.

If you were on a skateboard with your medicine ball, inside a big tube and threw that medicine ball, do you think you'd compress the air in that tube and if so, where does that air go?
Does it go around the medicine ball and back towards you on the skateboard, which would push you the opposite way?
If you think it wouldn't, then explain why?

As soon as you understand the basics, you also understand how and why atmosphere is the sole cause and effect and nothing to do with gravity.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: January 21, 2021, 11:14:57 PM »
A bird can lift with the flap of its wings
A light weight, high surface area object moving quickly through the air.
So nothing like the scenario here.

If air was the only thing that mattered, the weight of a bird shouldn't matter, and you should be able to fly by flapping your arms.
And again, if the air was the only thing that mattered, the weight of the ball wouldn't matter.


Let's work it out.
If you had a container with a lid that was slightly bigger than a medicine ball and you placed that medicine ball into that container and placed the lid on....where does all the air go from inside that container?

Is the air irrelevant that was originally inside that container?

If you were to place a plunger into that empty (except for air) container and that plunger fitted that container wall so as to not leak air, then you pushed down onto it...how long before that push of the plunger, by you, would it take before that air stopped you compressing it?

Is it irrelevant?

If that plunger had a hole in it as you pushed down, you would push that air up through that hole by using your dense mass of pressure upon that plunger and the result would be to push/compress that air under it which is pushed through the hole and back behind the plunger along with the external atmosphere already upon the backside of that plunger.
Once your plunger hits the bottom of the container, where has all that air went?

If you were to have that container hanging up and on its side and had a medicine ball to throw at it, would the container move before the medicine ball hits it?


Air is massively relevant because air is the reason why everything works and the very reason why equal and opposite reaction to action, occurs.

There is absolutely no such thing as gravity unless the word atmosphere is replaced by gravity, which is when we'd know for sure what gravity was and what it does...and why.

The problem with that is, it kills off the vacuum and space....etc.

Gravity as a force, is absolute nonsense. It's simply made up to make the world work in a fictional universe and really should be seen for that It really takes very little basic thought to understand how naff it is.





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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: January 21, 2021, 09:25:05 PM »
You have to look at how much air in front of the person is being pushed away and actually replaced.
Yes, basically nothing.

And this is where you fail.
A bird can lift with the flap of its wings. I wonder why, if air is irrelevant.
You negate the air because it kills your gravity and it really is as simple as that.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 21, 2021, 09:20:28 PM »
You've also been told.

LMAO, Sceppy, how do you screw up something so simple?
Nothing screwed up. This is how your nonsense globe would be and you know it.
It makes no sense to you because your globe makes no sense....but you just can't see it.

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