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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why Einstein Will Never Be Proven Wrong.

« on: January 18, 2014, 02:13:05 PM »

Actually you got that the wrong way around.
Scientists, like Einstein( allegedly) used the natural process of earth and changed it all to suit a purpose. All I've done is taken it back, dressed only in my jeans and T-shirt, without the need of a high forehead and a white coat with a few large letters on the pocket.

what does einstein has to do with gravity? Are you saying that the formula in that site depicts the "natural process of earth"? it doesn't. You dont even know what you are saying. Or what a formula is, or what a scientific theory is. You havent taken back anything from anyone, you are just making up stuff and posting it on a forum where you cant even get any FErs to believe you.

bla bla
Give me some concrete proof that what I say is lies and I'll gladly stop challenging it.
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Ive told you how you should be able to test your ideas, you refused. I gave you an example of a theory being applied in the real world, but
somehow you think an equation its just the "natural process of earth" and negate the theory behind it. So proof cant be given to you, you dont take pictures, you dont understand maths or physics, you negate how the scientific method works, you dont accept other peoples work. Proof can and has been given to you, you just dismiss it.
On the other hand what proof have you given us? None, your bs cant be proven and cant be applied to predict anything. You have no argument.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why Einstein Will Never Be Proven Wrong.

« on: January 18, 2014, 07:14:37 AM »

Actually you got that the wrong way around.
Scientists, like Einstein( allegedly) used the natural process of earth and changed it all to suit a purpose. All I've done is taken it back, dressed only in my jeans and T-shirt, without the need of a high forehead and a white coat with a few large letters on the pocket.

what does einstein has to do with gravity? Are you saying that the formula in that site depicts the "natural process of earth"? it doesn't. You dont even know what you are saying. Or what a formula is, or what a scientific theory is. You havent taken back anything from anyone, you are just making up stuff and posting it on a forum where you cant even get any FErs to believe you.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why Einstein Will Never Be Proven Wrong.

« on: January 18, 2014, 06:53:47 AM »

Do you realize that if your models have no real applications, cant be verified and you cant use them to meassure or predict anything, not only its most likely false, but its also irrelevant?

Anything I say is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things on a forum, just the same as anything you say is.
You lot keep asking for proof of things that cannot be proved, just like you lot never prove anything. All you say is, " we are right because it's says here...and here...and look!...he said this and this book said that, so we are right.

Who is talking about books? Im asking you about what are the applications of the knowledge you have, how can it be used to accomplish anything. If it cant accomplish anything whats the point?
For example, you can predict with certain level of acuraccy the falling speed of an object taking gravity into account http://www.angio.net/personal/climb/speed but according to you gravity doesnt exist. Can you predict anything taking only into account air preassure?

You cannot predict the accuracy of any falling object using gravity at all. If you don;t know what gravity is, you cannot make predictions by using it.
All of teh speeds at which you mention predicting for objects are the prediction of density through friction that you mistakenly think is gravity.

Oh so you just took working theories, changed some names for no reason, and then called it yours. Well done.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why Einstein Will Never Be Proven Wrong.

« on: January 18, 2014, 06:36:05 AM »

Do you realize that if your models have no real applications, cant be verified and you cant use them to meassure or predict anything, not only its most likely false, but its also irrelevant?

Anything I say is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things on a forum, just the same as anything you say is.
You lot keep asking for proof of things that cannot be proved, just like you lot never prove anything. All you say is, " we are right because it's says here...and here...and look!...he said this and this book said that, so we are right.

Who is talking about books? Im asking you about what are the applications of the knowledge you have, how can it be used to accomplish anything. If it cant accomplish anything whats the point?
For example, you can predict with certain level of acuraccy the falling speed of an object taking gravity into account http://www.angio.net/personal/climb/speed but according to you gravity doesnt exist. Can you predict anything taking only into account air preassure?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why Einstein Will Never Be Proven Wrong.

« on: January 18, 2014, 05:54:43 AM »

Do you realize that if your models have no real applications, cant be verified and you cant use them to meassure or predict anything, not only its most likely false, but its also irrelevant?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why Einstein Will Never Be Proven Wrong.

« on: January 17, 2014, 07:05:22 PM »

Why dont you just read again my message, take your time and try answering my questions?
Here, let me help you

You still havent shown us any application of any of your models. What kind of predictions can you make based on it? what are the benefits of this knowledge of yours? I mean, if you cant show us the molecules moving ot watever you would consider proof, at least there should be a way of testing your ideas.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why Einstein Will Never Be Proven Wrong.

« on: January 17, 2014, 06:26:08 PM »

To find the truth you must start from the basics. If you want to fill your head full of maths and equations, believing you can solve the conundrum of this earth and life, then you will be forever stuck in your own cocoon.
Calculations are fine for things that are physically used and needed to be used safely and in the quantities that we need things calculated for.
It will never make you understand what's really going on with the fake science theories behind the shrouded secrets of what they tell you is going on.
This earth exists for us and all life, because it's alive and breathing, just like we are and just like the cells of our own bodies are.
It all starts with energy by pressure and vibration and frequency, equals the energy we need and use, all started from the decay of the earth, like an apple left to condense.
Decay to us, is not decay to the earth. It's merely a growth and expanse till the energy is not sufficient for it to expand any bigger.
From that point on, it decays, it breaks down until it all becomes dense once again and it starts all over again, long long after we perish.
The earth is dying just like we do, because our internal sun starts to cool and we start to shut down and wither away back into the earth to be condensed.

Only the thinkers will understand what I mean.
And no disrespect here, but those who think there's a sun in a vacuum and a spinning globe is our home and we walk around the top of it....you are not even going to understand or want to understand what I'm telling you and that's fair enough. I'm telling it anyway.

You still havent shown us any application of any of your models. What kind of predictions can you make based on it? what are the benefits of this knowledge of yours? I mean, if you cant show us the molecules moving ot watever you would consider proof, at least there should be a way of testing your ideas.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why Einstein Will Never Be Proven Wrong.

« on: January 17, 2014, 10:33:07 AM »

If you want more energy out of something than you put into it, you have to find the magic dust. Does magic dust exist?
You can name me anything...anything you want to that we know is REAL and I can tell you how we know it's like for like, or equal action to equal reaction.
The saying about, " you only get out what you are prepared to put in", is very true for EVERYTHING.
Dark matter is lack of sunlight to our eyes.
Special relativity, is going to see relatives in homes and such like.
Speed of light, is (for instance) a car headlight moving away from you, at speed, or coming at you, at speed.
Fabric of time, is a clock wearing a suit.
Warped space time, is a bent clock in a field.
Inertia, is a person living on the west side of Scotland.
Gravity, is a person who has gravy on his/her T-shirt.

This is how much I discard these theories, because not only are they nonsense....people should see them as nonsense.
Astro physicists are sky watchers, nothing more.

The real scientists are the ones that see to it that can aid people in living their life much easier by inventing and utilizing earths resources, which most do very well.

The fake or dis-info scientists are the ones that think up ridiculous stuff like nuclear power and pretend it works.

Believe it or not, knowledge of physics like gravity, speed of light general relativity etc. do have applications on peoples lives and making things a lot easier. Ok you dont understand any of it, what makes you think you should for it to be true?
On the other hand none has ever accomplished any technological advancement or accurate prediction of an event, under the believe that air preassure alone is what keep things in its place and gravity and inertia are a lie.

But thats a good thing, if you are right, go on and tell us about the applications of this new understandment of how things work only you currently know about. Tell us how it can predict the the movement of objects in a more accurate way than using gravity formulas and believing there is some thing called inertia.
Tell us what can you accomplish with this new knowledge and the power of reasoning that is impossible for so called "sientists" and their so called "physics" bogus.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If I jump in the air why doesn't the ground move @ 1000MPH?

« on: January 14, 2014, 11:28:42 AM »

dont get frustrated scepti, but Im pretty sure I can move my arm faster than the initial speed a lead block falls at

I'm not talking about catching, I'm talking adding more energy from above.

yea, If I move my arm downward faster than the speed the block is currently falling at, I can still apply force to it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If I jump in the air why doesn't the ground move @ 1000MPH?

« on: January 14, 2014, 11:24:07 AM »

dont get frustrated scepti, but Im pretty sure I can move my arm faster than the initial speed a lead block falls at

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If I jump in the air why doesn't the ground move @ 1000MPH?

« on: January 14, 2014, 04:33:00 AM »

The harder the push, the greater the acceleration

No.

Heavier objects need more force than lighter ones to achieve the same acceleration.

no.

Are you serious? I thought your intelligence couldnt surprise me anymore..

Very serious. Instead of getting all frustrated. Look into why I said it.

What? im not frustrated. As of why you said it, it could be anything, from you simply not understanding what force or acceleration mean (or you making up new concepts of it, which is kind of the same), to you thinking that pushing a car is just as hard as pushing your bike, I would be just guessing.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why Einstein Will Never Be Proven Wrong.

« on: January 13, 2014, 06:04:09 PM »

I really believe most flat earthers are just trolling, exept for scepti and maybe a couple more. I mean, even if I didnt know his beliefs, after reading some of his ideas and logical reasoning, it wouldnt surprise me at all that he actually believed the earth is flat.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What about a telescope aimed at the horizon?

« on: January 13, 2014, 12:43:27 PM »

And you can bet your ass if something is out of sight you can bring it back with magnification. A sinking ship will not be restored so do not bang on about restoring sinking ships. But a ship that is not visible at all can be brought into view.

Let me know if I'm understanding you correctly.

One can view a ship that is moving away and 'sinking' with any power of magnification, and it will not be restored.  (I think most of us agree with this), but once the ship is completely out of sight, it can be restored using magnification.

That's interesting to say the least.  If I were to watch a departing ship sink over the horizon with a telescope, would I see it suddenly reappear on the horizon after the last of it disappeared from view?  How does this work?

The sea conditions that cause sinking ship will never allow it to be brought back.
The sea conditions that allow you to bring a ship from nothing are completely different.
I can now see you guy's will never accept that weather/sea conditions affect what you see to a huge degree.

What about when the sea is calm and the same happens?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If I jump in the air why doesn't the ground move @ 1000MPH?

« on: January 13, 2014, 12:40:51 PM »

How do you measure the density of an object and how does density change by moving it?

How do you measure your fictional gravity?

You write about the importance of density, what's the definition?

The state of all matter.
How do you measure gravity?

Density is defined as mass divided by volume.  Copper is 8940kg per cubic metre.  Agree?

I'm not interested in what weighs what, because I'm basically saying it's the state of ALL matter.
A sugar cube is less dense than a equal sized cube of lead, etc, etc, etc.
Water is more dense than air.
Molten gold is more dense than molten steel.

How do you measure gravity?

So are you suggesting that a cube of lead would squeeze itself through a cube of sugar because the lead is more dense than the sugar?
Because according to your denpressure, the density would pull it through because of the air pressure on top of it.  Right?

Dude you cant compare air with sugar, the air is invisible, it obviously has magical propierties wich will be explained shortly.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If I jump in the air why doesn't the ground move @ 1000MPH?

« on: January 13, 2014, 12:26:31 PM »

The harder the push, the greater the acceleration

No.

Heavier objects need more force than lighter ones to achieve the same acceleration.

no.

Are you serious? I thought your intelligence couldnt surprise me anymore..

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Flat Earth General / Re: What is Known About the Conspiracy?

« on: August 15, 2013, 02:03:24 PM »

All flat earthers know about the conspiracy is that it doesnt have to involve a lot of people.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Logic behind the conspiracy

« on: August 15, 2013, 01:56:05 PM »

... nothing rotates in a vacuum and a vacuum allows nothing through it. Not light, not anything.
That alone discounts a round earth in space.

If vacuum worked the way you say it does, and the earth was a dome full of air, it would explode and we all die.

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The Lounge / Re: Is Sceptimatic an imbecile?

« on: July 24, 2013, 01:39:24 PM »

Hes not mentally sane, even if he was a troll, its probably not a mentally sane troll.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf XI - Carnivāle! PLAYERS ONLY

« on: July 24, 2013, 01:23:15 PM »

yea so if 5 villagers die (with no wolf dead) we lose, wolf 1 already killed one, now I die, so its wolf 2 turn to kill another villager, then the villagers choose, if they choose wrong, wolf 3 kills another villager and we lose.
So what are the chances? next time the villagers will have to kill one of 3 wolves among 11 ppl to keep playing, also 3 of those votes will be from wolves. Considering how easy the villagers like to "jump on the bandwagon" seems a pretty easy game for the wolves.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf XI - Carnivāle! PLAYERS ONLY

« on: July 24, 2013, 12:41:35 PM »

Oh, these flat earthers, always following trends.
so basically if the next person the villagers lynch is not a wolf either the game is lost, anyway I vote for rooster.

Incorrect.  If no wolves die, we would have to drop down to 6 villagers to loose.  Right now we have 14.

Anyway, it should look like this:

robertotrevor (11)
rooster (1)

14 players* 3 of them are wolves. One villager already killed ,13 players. I died, so 12, now another villager dies (in the night) 11. Then the villagers choose again, so we are down to 10, if it was not a wolf the 3 are still alive. Then its the wolves turn so we are down to 9, 3 wolves 6 villagers. Did I say something wrong?

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf XI - Carnivāle! PLAYERS ONLY

« on: July 24, 2013, 12:09:35 PM »

Oh, these flat earthers, always following trends.
so basically if the next person the villagers lynch is not a wolf either the game is lost, anyway I vote for rooster.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Breaking news: Satellites do exist !!!

« on: July 19, 2013, 07:08:12 PM »

Omg, Jesus has been lying to us all this time, he is actually the sun!

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf XI - Is it time?

« on: July 18, 2013, 02:26:26 PM »

im in

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Space Flight

« on: July 16, 2013, 09:28:52 AM »

But let us try a different approach, shall we? Our 28 psi air tank on Earth. What is stopping the air from expanding outward to equalize pressure with the surrounding air and rupturing the tank?

The tank itself due to it's strength.

So the tank is clearly resistant enough to stand a pressure of 14 psi, we havent made any progress here, the question of why would the tank break on space remains. It seems like your answer is "air expansion because of pressure difference" but then again the tank is resistant enough to withstand this prassure difference, sow why does it break?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Space Flight

« on: July 15, 2013, 08:47:27 PM »

Now an air container doing the same thing, only hitting an helium atmosphere is going to be breached, no doubt about it. Can you understand this?

So you're saying any container with air in it will be breached in a vacuum? So a container at 101 kPa will, in a vacuum, breach?

What about propane tanks, rated at well over 60psi? That means the difference between inside and outside the tank is 48psi. But you're telling me if I put 14psi into that same tank and took it into a vacuum, where the difference is only 14psi, it would burst?

You wouldn't get to a single molecule. It would be breached well before it got anywhere near a single molecule.

Okay, let's take that part out:

So you're saying any container with air in it will be breached in a vacuum? So a container at 101 kPa will, in a vacuum, breach?

What about propane tanks, rated at well over 60psi? That means the difference between inside and outside the tank is 48psi. But you're telling me if I put 14psi into that same tank and took it into a vacuum, where the difference is only 14psi, it would burst?

Yep.

Since you haven't had an education in math or science, just so you know, your stance is that the difference in pressure doesn't have a linear effect.

Simply, if a 28 psi tank won't burst in a 14 psi atmosphere (14 psi difference) but a 14 psi tank will burst in space being a 0 psi environment (again, a 14 psi difference) then the differences in air pressure aren't linear.

Do you agree with this?

Omit linear and we will talk. I like things simple for people to understand and I'm not into going through linear this and that to explain things.

You mean you like things simple for you to understand, but whatever. You could just ignore that word and still get his point.
"A 28 psi tank won't burst in a 14 psi atmosphere  but a 14 psi tank will burst in space being a 0 psi environment". On both cases the difference of pressure between inside and outside is the same, but according to you, only on the second case the tank would burst open, why is that?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Space Flight

« on: July 01, 2013, 02:25:22 PM »

Atleast scepi is making an effort.
All the rest of you so called Flat Earthers seem to think making an effort is repeating   " he is terrible" is some how contributing to the debate...

ok , back to lurking

atta boy scepi 

Making no effort is better than making an effort in the wrong direction. Sceptis explanations to anything make no sense at all, he claims it makes no sense to us because of indoctrination, but it sounds stupid even to flat earthers. Keep in mind that this forum is a joke, its full of trolls yet not one of them dares to argue from sceptis "logic".
So it sounds stupid to RE "indoctrinated masses", it sounds stupid to FE believers ("outside the box" thinkers), and sounds stupid to trolls that like defending irrational stances just for the sake of debate. But some kind of disorder seems to be preventing him from seeing this truth.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Creation of a Flat Earth

« on: April 23, 2013, 07:41:21 PM »

God won't strike them down, I will. All people can do is talk shit on the internet. In real life they don't say shit. Its easy to insult people online, I wanna see them noobs try to insult me in real life.

Do you think Jason or Homesick Martian would ever say shit to me in person? Do you think Jason would call me a degenerate in person? Fuck no he won't, unless he wants to die lol

Thats because your god is a pussy.
Also my god tells me if I find you on real life I should stone you to death but that would never happen as you would just run away if you ever saw me comming unless you wanted to die of course.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf X - Players Only

« on: April 20, 2013, 02:43:11 PM »

Do I still win if the villagers win?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Will the sun turn into a red giant star about 5 billion years in the future?

« on: April 19, 2013, 07:03:54 PM »

Flat earthers dont even know what the sun is.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf X - Players Only

« on: April 18, 2013, 07:56:07 PM »

Well pongo is (or was) most likely going to be lynched. but you say he is not the wolf because rushy is not smart. So when he gets lynched and it turns out he was not the wolf then maybe we should start trusting more in your reasoning.

That logic makes no sense at all. There's only one wolf left.

Lets supose roundy knows (as he implied) that pongo is not a wolf. it could be either because he deduced it. or because roundy is the wolf and actually knows it. In the first case he risks being wrong. in the second he risks nothing and has the chance of other people listeing to him.
 Im not saying I know he is the wolf. its just a thought.