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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 08:30:23 AM »
Why would someone pay them money?  Ultimately, someone has something to gain.  What is worth the trillions of dollars (and their equivalent) that covering up the Flat Earth takes?  What did Aristotle have to gain by starting this conspiracy?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 08:20:39 AM »
If it was true that the US is fooled by all these communists, and all the people who designed the weapons that defended the US throughout hte cold war are in on it, why didn't the USSR win? 

The USSR didn't loose.  They just changed the name of the country and kept on with repressive rule.  All the while, America keeps getting closer and closer to such a state! 

And yes, all those people that designed the weapons were probably atheists.  Well, most of them at least.  There's a conspiracy to keep Christian scientists out of academic circles, which is why Creationism articles never get published to dispute Big Bang and Evolution theories in respectable journals.  That's pretty solid proof right there of the conspiracy.

Also, note that Neeman hasn't answered my questions on what HE thinks the conspiracy is gaining by covering up the Flat Earth.  It's because my answer makes sense, and he doesn't have one.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 07:55:40 AM »
ok, so concluding that everyone at NASA is in on it, how are they all bribed to keep thier mouths shut?  do they just do it for thier regular salary?   

They do it because they're trying to discredit the Bible (and, therefore, are probably communists).

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat earth seasons
« on: August 12, 2008, 07:51:35 AM »
But days *are* longer south of the equator during the northern winter/southern summer. 

In the North, they're shorter during this time because the Sun moves faster, but the North doesn't have the stretched land to compensate!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat earth seasons
« on: August 12, 2008, 07:39:49 AM »
No, because even though there's more ground to cover, the Sun moves faster, remember?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 07:37:15 AM »
Conspiracy or not, read my other thread about satellites.  The ISS (among other things) is visible from the surface of Earth using an amateur telescope.  I'm still waiting for a decent answer.

Answered.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What am I seeing when I look up?
« on: August 12, 2008, 07:36:10 AM »
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What am I seeing when I look at the objects in the sky that are supposedly satellites using a telescope?

High altitude aircraft designed to fool people like you!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat earth seasons
« on: August 12, 2008, 07:34:10 AM »
Because the Earth is more "stretched out" south of the Equator.  The sun does shine more light because it's further away, but there's more ground to cover because it's so much larger.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Simple Proof
« on: August 12, 2008, 07:32:06 AM »
If distance doesn't make a difference, why don't you see any parallax in *any* stars in the RE model?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 07:30:21 AM »
And I would ignore Hardhead; he certainly doesn't speak for me, and I doubt he speaks for the majority of FE'ers, if any.

Then what's the point of the conspiracy, if not to discredit the Bible?  A conspiracy that stretches all the way back to the (heathen) ancient Greeks?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Simple Proof
« on: August 12, 2008, 07:07:15 AM »
Not if it was high enough up and far away that the difference is unobservable.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 07:06:10 AM »

That makes no sense because most Christians do not believe hte Bible says the world is flat.

That's actually my point!  Even supposed Christians have stopped believing in parts of the Bible. 

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Also, I think you will find the percentage atheists is 15%.

You can find data supporting 1% to 15% online.  I believe the lower number is more accurate based on personal experience (and it would make sense for the Atheists to try and make themselves look more mainstream).

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as to Neeman, what you are saying is you beleive that people are mind controlled by magic, if someone's job is to analyse data from spacecraft, it would take another person at least as much time to fake that data in a convincing enough manner to fool a scientist.  3 people couldn't fake all the data for every scientist at NASA to analyse

The much simpler answer is that almost everyone at NASA is in on the conspiracy.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 06:55:05 AM »
I didn't write the FAQ.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 06:42:37 AM »
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Hardhead, keep your racism and bigotry out of these boards. They are for discussion, not for hate tirades.

That was not a "hate tirdade."  You have to admit, since the Bible says the Earth is flat, they'd be the ones who would try and prove otherwise. 

The conspirators have to have something to gain from the conspiracy, right?  I mean, you can't just yell "CONSPIRACY!!11!!!1!" and expect to be taken seriously.  What do they have to gain from the conspiracy?  Obviously, they gain by supposedly discrediting the Bible!  And who would want to do that?  <waits for reader to think>  Exactly!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 06:30:14 AM »
What you have to recognise is that people can be doing things for the conspiracy without actually knowing there is a conspiracy or even realising what they are really doing.

So all the 488 people really thought they were in space eh?  or did they think they were making a movie and don't realise people think they went into space? 

They all work for NASA, so clearly they're in on the conspiracy!  Most of them are probably Atheists who believe in Evolution and the Big Bang too.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 06:27:36 AM »
What you have to recognise is that people can be doing things for the conspiracy without actually knowing there is a conspiracy or even realising what they are really doing.

Exactly!  Plus, Atheists make up 1% of the country.  The Jews are another 2%.  That's not many, but out of 300,000,000 people, that's still like 9 MILLION people in the United States ALONE that can be trusted to work on the production of the fakes and the coverup!  Sure, they get Christians in there every now and then, but most of them are kept oblivious to the real work.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Simple Proof
« on: August 12, 2008, 06:23:22 AM »
No, I meant like NZ and South America.  New Zeland and Australia would see the same Cross, because they're so close together.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Simple Proof
« on: August 12, 2008, 06:12:57 AM »
No, for the same reason that the Sun isn't visible everywhere, even though it's above the Earth all at once.  Many other threads have explained that one, so I won't go into it agian.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 06:01:47 AM »
The Christian Bible!

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Matthew 4:8 The devil took him (Jesus) to a very high mountain and displayed before him all the kingdoms of the world in their magnificence

Impossible on a Round earth!

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Daniel 4:7-8, "I saw a tree of great height at the center of the world. It was large and strong, with its top touching the heavens, and it could be seen from the ends of the earth."

Impossible on a Round Earth!  No matter how tall, the tree wouldn't be visible from the other side!

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Jeremiah 16:19
19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ENDS OF THE EARTH, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit

There is no end to the Earth on Round Earth!

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"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises.  (From the NIV Bible, Ecclesiastes 1:5)"

Proof that it is the Sun that moves, not the Earth!

So you see, the Bible clearly supports Flat Earth!  There are many more passages as well, that strongly imply a flat earth model but don't explicitly state it.  There's some great resources on the Internet.  This is what convinced me to be a Flat Earther originally.  I grew up being taught the Bible was infallible, and so since it says the Earth is flat, it must be so!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 05:50:44 AM »
Because Satan is trying to discredit the Bible.  The Bible states clearly that the Earth is flat, and once you stop taking the Bible literally, it opens the door for things like gays, evolution, the abolition of slavery, non-terminating non-repeating decimals, and communism (which was caused by atheism).

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat earth seasons
« on: August 12, 2008, 05:46:52 AM »
Because in Relativity, it doesn't matter how fast an object is moving that emits the light, the light will travel at exactly the same speed.  If a car is going a hundred miles an hour down the highway, the light coming out of his headlights isn't going c+100 and the light out the back isn't going at c-100.  They're both just traveling at c.

So the speed of the sun doesn't cause any distortion in the spread of the light. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 05:42:11 AM »
There is a huge production crew, of course.  But the Jews can afford to pay them enough to keep quiet.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat earth seasons
« on: August 12, 2008, 05:38:58 AM »
No, because of Relativity.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Simple Proof
« on: August 12, 2008, 05:26:18 AM »
The Southern Cross is a rsign from God.  Clearly, he hangs the Cross over all the continents in the south.  There are obviously multiple crosses so everyone can see His work!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat earth seasons
« on: August 12, 2008, 05:19:16 AM »
No, because the Sun just moves faster in the Winter.  Like a record spinning, the outside moves faster than the inside in the same amount of time!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: conspiricy: ISS
« on: August 12, 2008, 05:15:29 AM »
Did you see Independence Day?  How did they fake giant ships over New York (hint: Special Effects).

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A lot of people say no.  I say yes.  

Evolution means that organisms adapt to their enviornment.  Wouldn't that mean that, if Evolution exists (and I believe it does), that the races must have diverged a little bit.  Specialized here and there?

Discuss.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Flat-Earth Atmospheres
« on: January 20, 2006, 12:59:39 PM »
Quote from: "CrazyScience"
I was just wondering what the Flat-Earth atmosphere is made of? I mean, the Round-Earth atmosphere is something like 800km. The Troposphere which is where we live (the blue one) is 18km and the Stratosphere goes up to 50km. Our ultra-thick atmosphere protects us from space-debris, meteors, and UV rays from the Sun and left over microwaves from The Big Bang.

My question is this; How does the Flat-Earth atmosphere protect us from all of this, if it is only 150ft (46m) high? And it's just air. What? No ozone? Actually, that sort of brings up another question.


I honestly don't know how large the atmosphere is.  150ft?  That seems like an arbitrary number to me.  I'm sure someone has expoused it before, but for me, I wouldn't know.

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Also, what is space in the Flat-Earth universe? I mean, it can't be entirely pressureless like the Round-Earth universe, because then the Ice Wall would sublime from the outside, eventually cracking under the fabled pressure that created it. So space must actually have pressure. So what is space made of that gives it the pressure required to sustain the Ice Wall?


I don't believe in the ice wall.  It may exist. It may not.

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OK, so hopefully any attempts at sarcasm are blatantly obvious.


Yup.  ;)

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I, personally, believe the Earth is round (call me crazy... - um... I guess some of you actually will), but I also am mildly interested in how it is that the current world model works in a flat world. I mean, I want to know everything about the world and the universe. I want to know why the sky is blue, I want to know why volcanoes erupt, etc.


Air molecules absorb different wavelenghts of light differently.  High frequencies (blues) more commonly.  These get emited later, in a different direction, causing a diffuse blue glow in the air.

Volcanoes are more complicated.  There's these plates... and maybe a table?  And lines that are someones fault.

Yes, I'm joking.

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But, then I come here, to The Flat Earth Society and I see people who are content to say the Earth is like this and that's that. I find it so frustrating that you don't know and don't attempt to find out the answers to these questions yourselves by boating to the Ice Wall to see it for yourself or by raising money for independent research into the effects of Flat-Earth pseudo-gravity.


Right, well, I'll get right on that as soon as I get (A) the money and (B) a reputable scientist that'd actually do that.

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Flat Earth Q&A / are all planets flat?
« on: January 20, 2006, 12:49:43 PM »
I'm interested.  Can you post some pictures?

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Flat Earth Q&A / are all planets flat?
« on: January 20, 2006, 09:47:30 AM »
It always looks the same to me... I mean, sometimes the shadows are different... but that's about it.

I didn't realize that was even a point of contention... doesn't everyone know that you see the same face of the moon?

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