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Flat Earth General / Re: Dangers of the Moon: Radio Edition
« on: June 18, 2018, 08:47:19 PM »
No evidence. its a completely bunk idea that no one puts any credence to - you know except all of man. For all time.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dangers of the Moon: Radio Edition
« on: June 18, 2018, 08:43:52 PM »
Its ok relativity is completely irrelevant.

Samuel Rowbotham
Damp and cold, powerfully sceptic
   “It is said that he moon has a pernicious effect upon those who in the East, sleep in its beams; and that fish having been exposed to them for only one night become most injurious to those who eat it” - rev j gadsby
   “At peckham rye, a boy named Lowry has entirely lost his sight by sleeping in a field in the bright moonlight”
   “If we place in an exposed position two pieces of meat, and one of them be subjected to the moon’s rays, while the other is protected from them by a screen or cover, the former will be tained with putrefaction much sooner than the other”, LEctures on Astronomy M. Arago

   In hindus, the sun is “Nidaghakara” creator of heat
         The moon is Sitala Hima “The cold” and “Himan’su” or “cold darting / radiating”

   
Evidence that educated people have believed Lunacy throughout history:

The Romans even believed that Moonlight solidified to form the gem known as Moonstone.

460 BC - 370 BC    Hippocrates and Aristotle
“No physician should be entrusted with the treatment of disease who was ignorant of the science of astronomy” Hippocrates


23 AD - 79 AD       Pliny The Elder
The moon “leads to the brain to be 'unnaturally moist' leading to madness.”

1493 AD - 1541 AD    Paracelsus
"mania has the following symptoms: frantic behaviour, unreasonableness, constant restlessness and mischievousness. Some patients suffer from it depending on the phases of the moon."

1564- AD - 1616 AD    William Shakespeare
"It is the very error of the moon, She comes more near the earth than she has wont, And makes men mad." Othello Act 5 1564- 1616

1723 AD - 1780 AD   Lord Blackstone
1834 AD - 1918 AD    Ewald Hering
"with full moon, increasing mania."


Today         
45% of educated college students believe in the moons dangerous effects
Over 50% of those in the field of medicine are likely to believe
   


General: craps, sea lice, worms and midges moon related behavior in lab
Modern Studies and Evidence
Animals
Increased Violence
Many animals make use of the weakened state of their prey and increase hunting
Fleas, Bradford Royal Infirmary in English, 2 years worth of records - higher bite count for humans admitted
European Eagle Owls
Aye Aye
Lions kill more the day after, when they usually hunt at night
More likely to kill humans 2011 PLOS ONE journal
11,613 cases of aggravated assault in a 5-year period: assaults occurred more often around the full moon.
Reference: Human aggression and the lunar synodic cycle (1978)
34,318 crimes in a 1-year period: crimes occurred more frequently during the full moon. 
Reference: J. Psychology, vol. 93:81-83, 1976.
Lieber  in National Criminal Justice RS showed an increase in homicide and aggravated assault around the full moon


Neurological Stress
Man sleeps worse
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-23405941
33 individuals over 30 days, longer to sleep up to 4 days prior and following the full moon
Crime rates are increased
"The increased incidence of crimes on full moon days may be due to "human tidal waves" caused by the gravitational pull of the moon."
Full Moon And Crime, Thakur CP, Sharma D.,
(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6440656)
The incidence of crimes reported to three police stations in different towns (one rural, one urban, one industrial) was studied to see if it varied with the day of the lunar cycle. The period of the study covered 1978-82
Madness is increased   
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/644065
Seizure rates are increased
2008 Department of Clinical and Experimental Epilepsy, Institute of Neurology UCL
341 day study
Links seizure to moonlight
Correlation between intensity of the light and the seizures that incurred
Blocking the moonlight locally resulted in a drop in frequency and duration of seizures
Doodlebugs dig larger holes (even in the dark?)


Malaise
Acomys Cahirnus show drops in body temperature
Belize armadillos
Wolves hunt less,
Some scorpions glow, due to the moo   n attacking certain protein groups
Hospitalization Rates are increased
Surger success lower
Interactive Cardiovascular and thoracic surgery journal
Stayed 4 days less and less likely to die
Vet rates increased


A 2007 study of nearly 12,000 pet-injury cases at the Colorado State University Veterinary Medical Center revealed emergency-room visits were 23 percent higher for cats and 28 percent higher for dogs on days around the full moon.
Mating
Corals go into mating frenzy
Tungara frogs
Man’s reproductive cycle
Moon induced baby boom , Kyoto Japan, moon near the earth (super moon) showed more
US National Institutes of Health - increase in birth rates in Kyoto Japan, when the moon was closest and brightest
Lyme Disease Life Cycle
Food spoils faster
http://idnc.library.illinois.edu/cgi-bin/illinois?a=d&d=TUC19140217.2.21
Fish rots when left in the moonlight
Germ Activity increases
http://idnc.library.illinois.edu/cgi-bin/illinois?a=d&d=TUC19140217.2.21&srpos=10&e=-------en-20--1--txt-txIN-moonlight+dangerous------
Reducing self exposure:
Bats reduce hunting
Nightjars (little brownbird) reduce hunting
May react otherwise
Pet visits increase during full moon
Microscopic
Lyme Disease is more dangerous   
Life cycle sinks up with moon
Darwin suggested that the fear of darkness
Specific Pathology On Man

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dangers of the Moon: Radio Edition
« on: June 18, 2018, 09:33:10 AM »
They will take any chance to derail a thread rather than admit that a flatist might be correct.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dangers of the Moon: Radio Edition
« on: June 18, 2018, 08:09:26 AM »
Is space not curved?
Spacetime (not just space) in the vicinity of earth is very slightly curved . You might read The Physics Mill, Our Local Spacetime.
The curvature in the spacelike component of spacetime has virtually no effect on us because we travel so slowly in space (compared to c).
The curvature in the timelike component of spacetime, however, has a very significant effect because we travel at, you guessed it, one second/second.
This timelike component of spacetime is curved towards large masses (see the above mentioned article), so the object is accelerated towards the mass.

But this minute curvature of the spacelike component of spacetime does not even make straight lines appear to "curl up" but simply makes the effective diameter of a spherical mass the size of the earth seem a few millimetres larger that it would in Euclidean space.

We both know you don't know what you are talking about. Why should I trust your interpretation of this? Or some hack pop science writers?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do tides work on a flat earth
« on: June 18, 2018, 08:07:46 AM »
Jack, you have the be dumbest person to continually come here and try to prove us wrong. Not only do you seldom achieve this, a feat that should be simple if the Earth is indeed round, but you also somehow manage to make yourself look less intelligent each time. One has to wonder, what could possibly in it for you.

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If I wanted to watch youtube, I'd be on youtube.

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For example, we have held the mantle since Johnston for The Flat Earth Society. We will hold it until the temples fall, and the skies with them weep. It just makes the symbol.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do tides work on a flat earth
« on: June 12, 2018, 09:08:21 PM »
Physics does jack. But you don't tend to listen.

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Flat Earth General / Re: About spinning and gravity
« on: June 06, 2018, 10:27:04 PM »
I believe the authority there would be Einstein, not Ski.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Some other questions
« on: June 05, 2018, 09:32:14 PM »
Are you so exhausting because you are so exhausted by hanging by your feet all day, Rab In Oz? I'm at a loss here.

Let's settle this once and for all. Do you, or do you not, hang by your feet like some sort of rag doll tied to a roundabout?

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How does that field accelerate the Earth, the stars, but fail to accelerate that which is on the Earth's surface, or near to said surface?
Well, as I have said, oh I don't know, lots of times, the FE creates a type of 'bow shock' in the Dark Energy, setting up the DEF.  This bow shock/field prevents the DE from interacting with objects above the FE until the field has collapsed (not necessarily in totality, but locally).

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration
« on: June 05, 2018, 09:19:19 PM »
You would be correct, if every single one wasn't accepted before the empirical basis outweighed the previous theory,  Jack. Of course its not as simple as I made it out to be. If it was, I'd be like you and know jack shit. What, did you want me to post the entirety of the arguments in a forum post? This isn't a book son, let alone a library. Check your round earth priv at the door, okay?

Thanks for your millennial "one does not simply walk into mordor" take on the whole thing. We are going to keep on walking into mordor, and you can have fuck all about that.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is it worth it to become a member?
« on: June 05, 2018, 09:14:50 PM »
Fuck you, git.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Density.
« on: June 05, 2018, 08:58:43 PM »
It does not.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: It's Not Just The Earth That's Flat
« on: June 05, 2018, 08:58:20 PM »
Viola! the attempts to put everything into its own category, with its own latin proper name are foolish and sophomoric.  The Earth is not a planet, it is plane to see.

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What are they related to then? Its gravitation? But surely, this could not happen if gravity can't affect enclosed water?! Malaria.
Who says that gravity can't affect enclosed water? ???
No one with any sense.

So you agree; the moon affects life? Some might gain benefits, and others deficits, yet all be aware of the dangers that bestow this upon them? There is no doubt that we evolve to meet the obstacles nature presents us.


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I have cured my moon ailments with a special formula designed by myself as well as use of caution during sightings of the moon. I may well mass market it one day.
Treating your symptoms is not the same as curing your ailments.
You are right. We should look into destroying the moon.
That wouldn't be a good idea for all of the life forms that take advantage of the moon's beneficial effects (including people).
Man is constantly plagued by the moons ill effect. You may be right that a Fel swoop might be a bad course of action, but it is the duty of any man who cares for humanity to raise arms against the moon.




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Flat Earth Debate / Re: It's Not Just The Earth That's Flat
« on: June 05, 2018, 08:44:24 PM »
It is Earth.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is it worth it to become a member?
« on: June 05, 2018, 06:16:44 PM »
Though, a piece together metallic flat globe is stirring the lobes now that you mention it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is it worth it to become a member?
« on: June 05, 2018, 06:15:40 PM »
I do love the flat globe; I have one in my menagerie. This is the current design:


And we have sexy as hell designed print material to go with it.

But we'll add in the Daniel awesomeness as well. I always loved the bits he made for everyone.

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BTW John, if you haven't already, you may want to have your doctor check you for parasites.  From what I hear, the full moon can make them more active and wreak havoc on your body.  I seem to recall you complaining about some of those symptoms during a full moon.
During a full moon, ocean tides are higher than usual from an increase in the gravitational pull from the moon and sun. Considering that the body is 80 percent water, scientists and astrologers have often thought that similar effects happen in the body, almost creating a “human tidal pull” that can affect brain function.

But parasites are more likely to be the real thing driving you crazy or causing suffering during a full moon.

The gravitational pull on water balance in the kidneys causes a shift of movement or an “awakening,” making these little buggers more active during the full moon cycle, which then wreaks havoc on your intestinal health, digestion, and hormone balance. An overgrowth of gut bacteria and/or yeast such as Candida can also have similar effects during a full moon.

Some of the textbook symptoms of parasites include:

>> bloating, gas, fatigue, and/or flu like symptoms
>> low immune function (illness and allergy flare-ups)
>> excessive hunger, constipation, and/or diarrhea
>> grinding teeth, especially at night
>> hives, irritability, and/or rashes
>> sleep disturbances, changes in weight, joint pain, and/or headaches
So what you are saying is that the moon is dangerous?
No, that isn't what I'm saying.  I'm saying that the moon can have a wide variety of effects on various organisms and those effects aren't necessarily dangerous.  I'm also saying that not all of those lunar effects are directly related to the light from the moon.
What are they related to then? Its gravitation? But surely, this could not happen if gravity can't affect enclosed water?! Malaria.
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I have cured my moon ailments with a special formula designed by myself as well as use of caution during sightings of the moon. I may well mass market it one day.
Treating your symptoms is not the same as curing your ailments.
You are right. We should look into destroying the moon.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do tides work on a flat earth
« on: June 05, 2018, 06:09:39 PM »
Why would he? He knows it all.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration
« on: June 05, 2018, 04:50:48 PM »
Yes, it was further away from the local mass that is additive to the plate.
That "local mass" is Earth, not some tiny mass added to the plate.
Sure you can try and set up a model that has all the masses required to model reality, but that would be purely post-hoc and doesn't magically mean it doesn't match height variations and thus saying it doesn't match the height variation is quite dishonest.
I'm not sure if you are paying attention, but every single scientific revolution of the last 200 years has been ad hoc, or as you like to put it "post hoc".

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And yes, I'd love to join the ranks of those that have provided medicine to help folks. The remedy has proven extremely useful to myself and to my well being. I'd love everybody to have their share - but the barrier is knowledge of the dangers of the moon.

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;D ;D ;D I have cured my moon ailments with a special formula designed by myself as well as use of caution during sightings of the moon. I may well mass market it one day. ;D ;D ;D
I can just see you joining Samuel Birley Rowbotham peddling your quack medicines around the hustings.

I wonder why we suffer from none of these ailments in Australia? But then nobody "up there" believes Australia exists - let's keep it that way, suits me.
How did you gather Australians don't?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Acceleration
« on: June 05, 2018, 04:43:12 PM »
Yes, it was further away from the local mass that is additive to the plate.

The satellite measurements are what I'm referring to. Their main purpose is to measure gravitational anomalies - you know, where the round earth is incorrect.

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Flat Earth General / Re: About spinning and gravity
« on: June 05, 2018, 04:36:24 PM »
Okay so one of your biggest arguments about the Earth not a spinning globe is that we can't feel the spin.

Why then do you believe the Earth is accelerating up at 9.8 meters per second squared when you cannot feel the Earth accelerating up at this speed?
We do feel it. Have you never jumped? Do you not constantly feel the pull of this on you, keeping you to the earth? One might just as well ask, why can you not feel the acceleration on a globe, that forces you down at 9.81~m/s/s

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BTW John, if you haven't already, you may want to have your doctor check you for parasites.  From what I hear, the full moon can make them more active and wreak havoc on your body.  I seem to recall you complaining about some of those symptoms during a full moon.
During a full moon, ocean tides are higher than usual from an increase in the gravitational pull from the moon and sun. Considering that the body is 80 percent water, scientists and astrologers have often thought that similar effects happen in the body, almost creating a “human tidal pull” that can affect brain function.

But parasites are more likely to be the real thing driving you crazy or causing suffering during a full moon.

The gravitational pull on water balance in the kidneys causes a shift of movement or an “awakening,” making these little buggers more active during the full moon cycle, which then wreaks havoc on your intestinal health, digestion, and hormone balance. An overgrowth of gut bacteria and/or yeast such as Candida can also have similar effects during a full moon.

Some of the textbook symptoms of parasites include:

>> bloating, gas, fatigue, and/or flu like symptoms
>> low immune function (illness and allergy flare-ups)
>> excessive hunger, constipation, and/or diarrhea
>> grinding teeth, especially at night
>> hives, irritability, and/or rashes
>> sleep disturbances, changes in weight, joint pain, and/or headaches
So what you are saying is that the moon is dangerous?

I have cured my moon ailments with a special formula designed by myself as well as use of caution during sightings of the moon. I may well mass market it one day.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is it worth it to become a member?
« on: June 05, 2018, 04:12:45 PM »
Medallions are not currently available, but I'm working on a new set based off the one we presented to BoB. It will be out Soon(tm)

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is it worth it to become a member?
« on: June 05, 2018, 04:12:06 PM »
There is no society whose membership is as valuable as that of The Flat Earth Society.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: It's Not Just The Earth That's Flat
« on: June 05, 2018, 04:11:18 PM »
The earth is not a planet. More than this, inductive reasoning is logically faulty.

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