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Flat Earth General / Re: How did you become a Flat Earther?
« on: September 22, 2014, 12:25:59 PM »
Am I to accept your scientific facts/knowledge blindly or may I scrutinize them just like you do? What if I challenge you that my misquote is probably much closer to the truth than the combined knowledge of your scientist army? Would you give an unqualified person a chance to prove this outrageously insane sounding claim or cross him out and ignore him indefinitely?
 
Learn the scientific concepts and then tell me they are not true. You badmouth science but it is quite clear you are just afraid of the truth.

What good is the best evidence if you are unable to tell the truth from falsehood?
Would you be able to recognize the truth and follow it if somebody shows it to you?

Are you ready to take a litmus test?

You always speak about the truth. What is the truth in your own view without using your strange links.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How did you become a Flat Earther?
« on: September 17, 2014, 11:38:03 PM »
Hello! I have a question for the Flat Earthers here. :)

I imagine most were taught of a round earth growing up so there had to be a moment when you changed your views.

For me, the cover over my eyes was unveiled when I understand the ideology of atheism and how it is connected to the current science specially theories related to the heavens and the earth.

You mean, the "ideology" of no beliefs? The closet thing I can think of to to an "atheist" ideology were the Socialist movements of the 20th century, and even then it was mostly the Western world to come up with scientific discoveries. What comes to mind when I think "science specially theories related to the heavens and the Earth" is general relativity, developed by Albert Einstein, a pantheist. Not trying to imply that no atheist made any important scientific discoveries (A lot of atheists have). However, the basis of science wasn't and isn't an attempt to suppress theistic ideas, and this irrational suspicion is no reason to reject empirical evidence of a round earth

Discuss politely to reply you. No need to say "irrational....". I know what I say very well.
The ideology is named "evolutionism". It has its principles which are applied in all scientific theories and what you call discoveries.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Proof
« on: September 17, 2014, 11:33:38 PM »

The earth doesn't rotate and is not a disc. You invent and sing your inventions. When you talk about the unseen, support your words with absolute evidence.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How did you become a Flat Earther?
« on: September 17, 2014, 01:13:23 PM »
Hello! I have a question for the Flat Earthers here. :)

I imagine most were taught of a round earth growing up so there had to be a moment when you changed your views.

For me, the cover over my eyes was unveiled when I understand the ideology of atheism and how it is connected to the current science specially theories related to the heavens and the earth.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Where can I see the working model of sky ceiling?
« on: September 17, 2014, 09:52:31 AM »
I do believe that we're living inside Earth, in theocentric system.

Of course I'm checking everything, what's contradicting one or other system. And sky movement pointing strongly to Theocentric system.

90% evidences for flat earth proving Teocentric system.

And the sky IMHO is the the only thing which can prove or destroy flat earth theory.

So can someone point me to video or picture which will explain, how is posible to see Polaris and Southern Cross in the same time, in different part of the globe?

TIA

Globe? what globe?!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Proof
« on: September 17, 2014, 09:47:09 AM »

What you say is true. You even reflects the life you live giving a picture of a wide farm with horses. You are an old rich farmer, aren't you?  ;)

My Dear Happy:

Old?  Neither old nor young.  Rich?  By His grace, yes, by earthly standards.  A farmer?  No, although a modest percentage of my estate's acreage is indeed allocated to agriculture.  As a result, I have deliberately or accidentally learned a thing or two about farming over the years.  All of the world's great literature reminds the reader of how connected we are to this fertile disc we call the Earth; Tolstoy's Anna Karenina, which I recently re-read, is one such example.  I am grateful that I am reminded of this connection on a daily basis.

So what am I?  My social standing brings with it a series of headaches that most members of the working or professional classes could scarcely imagine.  However, the leisure time provided by my position affords me the luxury of pursuing my life's passions, including mathematics, cosmography, philosophy, music, literary translation, and, most recently, the writing of poetry.    So, I would consider myself a philanthropist, a patron of the arts, an epicurean, and a humble student. 

I have stayed up far too late.  A dear friend dispatched to me a top-shelf single-malt scotch; I enjoyed a tad too much this evening, whilst listening to an album of John Dowland's lute songs, as interpreted by the great counter-tenor Russell Oberlin.  Thankfully, I can sleep late tomorrow. 

Yours in flatness,

Flatso

The earth is not a disc. Is that what you feel? Reflect again to find that the earth is an earth (base).

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Flat Earth General / Re: Normal Science Is Religion
« on: September 16, 2014, 10:10:27 AM »
Greetings, My Dear Fellow!

This is certainly a most provocative post! 

Paint not the community of scientists with too broad a stroke; For I am among those scientists - amateur, admittedly - whose experiments and calculations point to the existence of a flat earth.  Of course, my experiments are informed by objective observation, which tells me that the world I see is flat, as well as a strong, unwavering moral theology.

We must differentiate between those scientists whose work is (a) well-meaning but simply inaccurate;  and those whose work is (b) deliberately intended to mislead.  Additionally, we cannot entirely rule out the nefarious effects of demons, spirits, gnomes, and wizards on our society's ability to comprehend our flat earth as it really is. 

But thankfully, the denizens of this online dominion are getting the word out, so that others may one day realize the folly of their beliefs. 

Please consider me a kindred spirit in your endeavors.

Yours Truly,

Flatso

"those whose work is (b) deliberately intended to mislead." Do you have an explanation of why they do this?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Proof
« on: September 16, 2014, 09:58:15 AM »
I'm new to this site, the only reason I have even discovered it is because a science project, I have been through most of this forum and have yet to find one thing that shows solid proof about the earth being flat.

Greetings, Dear Friend, and welcome to our esteemed community! And may I apologize, on behalf of the Society, for the terse response you received from our colleague Arith. 

You will find copious amounts of scientific support for the Flat Earth Theory on this Website, but allow me to offer one of my own experiments as proof.  I realize that many of the us today live in cramped urban quarters, but if by His grace you are a member of the aristocracy, as am I, the experiment I propose is relatively easy to replicate:

Journey by horse or carriage to a point at or near the center of your estate.  From that point, gaze carefully and observantly across the expanse of your property until your eyes meet the horizon.  Begin to turn very slowly in a clockwise direction, ever gazing outward toward the horizon, until you have completed a 360-degree turn and have returned to your original view.  Record your observations.

You will of course see topographical anomalies - the occasional hill, tree, or subject dwelling - but in the aggregate, you will primarily see flatness.  Through rational thinking, objective observation, and deductive reasoning, you may conclude: As I see flatness in all directions, the world on which I live therefore must logically be flat.   This experiment, like all scientific inquiry, should of course be grounded in a solid moral theology, to ensure optimal accuracy and objectivity. 

I have performed this experiment on numerous occasions and have consistently observed only flatness, not roundness. I therefore feel confident in saying that the number of trials producing identical results falls well within the statistical margin of error, and the findings are therefore statistically and scientifically sound.

Please do share the details of my experiment with your professor at the university, and if he questions my findings, I will be delighted to engage him in a spirited yet respectful debate at a teahouse or tavern of his choosing.

May I add at this juncture that, while I am new to the Internet in general and this Website in particular, this cultural jewel contains invaluable information on a number of topics frequently ignored in most contemporary science curricula, such as the deleterious effects of prolonged exposure to direct, unfiltered moonlight.

Best of luck, NopeTrain, in your academic endeavors, God Bless, and Godspeed!

Yours Truly,

Flatso

What you say is true. You even reflects the life you live giving a picture of a wide farm with horses. You are an old rich farmer, aren't you?  ;)

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Flat Earth General / Re: Proof
« on: September 16, 2014, 09:53:51 AM »
I'm new to this site, the only reason I have even discovered it is because a science project, I have been through most of this forum and have yet to find one thing that shows solid proof about the earth being flat.

Like what?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Bipolar Model's Prime Meridian
« on: August 17, 2014, 11:43:52 AM »
I think the point is that, while the Bible may be extremely important in many people's lives, in terms of instructing them how to live and giving them inspiration, the Bible has no place in a scientific debate.

What if the bible is correct and your science is false? Can't you see yourself a blind follower to propaganda of false theories turning them intuitions.

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Flat Earth General / Re: So.....
« on: August 16, 2014, 03:06:07 AM »
I'm not wading through a poorly executed youtube channel.
Is there anything in his theory in particular that you think is interesting or could affect how we view the flat earth?

How do you view it?

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Flat Earth General / Re: A new believer.
« on: August 15, 2014, 03:12:52 AM »

What do you mean by "there is no universe"?

The saying of FearNLoathing78x that what NASA does this to spread their religion encourages me to say that even their universe theory is fake and the aim behind it is to fight believing in the heavens and the earth as set in the holy books.

Yes, there is no universe. It is only the earth "the base" and the sky "the ceiling". No space, no galaxies, no solar system, these all are fake.

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Flat Earth General / Re: A new believer.
« on: August 14, 2014, 08:49:40 AM »
I did the same and I believe in what you said.

I wish you more knowledge. Keep searching. You will get more and more.

BTW, there is no universe. This may guide you to something.

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The answer is one word "Falak".

The sun and the moon, each swim in a falak. Falak can be described as the rounding hill. Something is protruding.
This may shows that the sun may go up and down while swimming in the sky. Being near in some parts of the world and far in other parts. Being high in some parts and low in other. But by the end of the day, the sun sets into the hot well in the end of the west and rises from Matla' in the first of the east to start a new day.
Why don't you draw us a diagram to demonstrate how this gibberish is mean to work?

I hope I can but I am not good in drawing.
You can understand it simply by looking around you. A sky above you as a ceiling and earth under you as flat ground.
The sky is raised and fixed with unseen pillars. Above this sky, there are other six skies as layers.

I wish I could find someone who believes me and understand me and is able to draw. Through him/her, I can show the whole world the evidence of the flat earth and the fallacy of the round earth theory.

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Flat Earth General / Re: If the earth is round.
« on: August 09, 2014, 11:34:55 AM »
Then why does a known fraudulent conspiracy entity like NASA exist? Why do we see so many fake pictures of the world being round? Surely, if the earth was round then the pictures would look real instead of like the blatant fabrications that they are.

You're perfectly right. They are fake. Crystal clear.

The problem is that they can see what you see. Something is covering their eyes. Maybe because of what they used to learn and fed since their childhood.


* Why your photo is very sad with ugly eyes boy?

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. . . and NOT in a circle above and below the earth:

1. There is no point of time, when nothing of the earth's surface 's lighted.

2. The sun always comes from east.

3. The equator (= the line of the sun) is hotter than other places.

4. In the southern hemisphere, the sun is high in the north, in the northern, it is high in the south.


Do you have another opinion? Please let's discuss!
Brofyboy!

The answer is one word "Falak".

The sun and the moon, each swim in a falak. Falak can be described as the rounding hill. Something is protruding.
This may shows that the sun may go up and down while swimming in the sky. Being near in some parts of the world and far in other parts. Being high in some parts and low in other. But by the end of the day, the sun sets into the hot well in the end of the west and rises from Matla' in the first of the east to start a new day.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Whistleblowers and Amateur Rockets
« on: August 01, 2014, 08:55:17 AM »
Here is a NASA whistle blower.
#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">#ws

The Earth Is Flat - An Interview with Matthew Boylan.


Matthew Boylan is not the most "reliable" of whistleblowers—to put it politely.  He wasn't working for NASA (if he ever was, as we only have his word for it) under any scientific briefing; he was a commercial artist.  And of course he makes all sorts of vague allusions about NASA needing some sort of suspect "artwork" done.  That's his claim to fame; why wouldn't he perpetuate it?  Nor would he have had anything other than a low-level security clearance—like their cleaners and gardeners.  So he's hardly a trustworthy, legitimate whistleblower.

He says on his Facebook page:  "I have hard evidence the earth is flat and infinite, that everyone's been lied to and brainwashed."

Only one problem.  He not once discloses any of this "hard evidence".  Personally, I think he may be slightly mentally deranged.

May you send me his facebook page?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Voyager 1 - fake?
« on: November 14, 2013, 01:23:58 PM »

But you have to learn that nothing comes to your hand in a silver plate only because you want it.

To get info, you should participate and believe me you will understand easier.

If no one can find a suitable photo, I welcome a pic drawn by anyone concerned to know the trick.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Voyager 1 - fake?
« on: November 14, 2013, 01:03:22 PM »

This is the photo I tried to send. Thank you.

You can see that the sun is not completely drawn and also the earth. Here the analysis depends on the size of the seen area of the earth.
Do you agree that it represents area of a continent or of a very small area?

To avoid ambiguity, give me a clear photo with a complete sun and a clear part of the earth to know if it's a big part of the earth or a small one.

Be patient please and you will be surprised in the end InshaAllah.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Voyager 1 - fake?
« on: November 13, 2013, 03:07:24 PM »
Is it Ok?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Voyager 1 - fake?
« on: November 13, 2013, 02:58:02 PM »

Lol

It doesn't require to check all photos cuz the pic can never be drawn with the actual size. It's impossible as it's impossible for this earth to be round.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Voyager 1 - fake?
« on: November 13, 2013, 02:52:08 PM »

Ok, it's up to you but don't claim to be eagerly waiting to know and seeker of truth.

I've searched on google and no one photo is clear, you can check yourself. It's not common to see a photo of the round earth with the sun. Don't you ask yourself why?

They're afraid that people could notice the stupid trick.

Salam

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Voyager 1 - fake?
« on: November 13, 2013, 02:34:24 PM »

I prefer you or anyone else except me to provide a photo produced by NASA, any photo. I don't want someone says to me you provide a bad photo not official from NASA.

Any pic whether explanatory or made to be real.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Voyager 1 - fake?
« on: November 13, 2013, 02:20:24 PM »

Yes, independent thought is important to me as well. What is also important to me is whether my beliefs are actually true. How do we determine truth? Well, you nailed it: evidence. Demonstrable evidence. What we discuss here on this forum is the validity of different kinds of evidence.

So you say the evidence is simple. But that is not enough, that is only an assertion. Next, I would ask you to provide your evidence. This is how these things work, whether you are a FEer or REer. If we don't discuss the evidence, then we are just discussing opinions, not facts.

I know it AlhamdliAllah.

It's complicated somehow but I will try to explain as much as I can.

NASA and other space agencies deceived us by fake pictures. Their pictures are the evidence of the deceit.

A simple example of how they draw the sun.
This sun which we see can be seen like this from a flat earth only and if we were on a round earth, we couldn't see it at all.

The trick of any photo of the sun with the round earth is that they make the sun soooooooooo big and if we imagined someone on the earth (which is drawn) will find the sun covering his sky and can see nothing above him but a sun.

If you want more explanation, show a photo of their photos which includes both the round earth and the sun and I will show you where the trick is.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Voyager 1 - fake?
« on: November 12, 2013, 10:11:29 AM »

I find here serious people who really use their mind and don't follow the bright slogans of modern science and the fake scenes.

I thought of the matter for long. Once I realized that believing in universe is against believing in The Creator of the heavens and the earth, I speculated the sky for months, the moon, the planets, the sun then turned to the earth and the horizon.

Finally I got it. the round earth is impossible. With the round earth, there is no earth, no sky, no sun, no moon, no life at all.

You flat earth believer, think of it a little bit and you will get the evidence simply. We know that this earth is flat and this sky is a ceiling. What if the earth were round and no sky but space, how would it be?

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The King James Version of the Bible is the inspired, inerrant, and infallable Word of God. Every other translation is a per-version and is inspired by the devil himself! Let's get that out of the way first.

Many fundamentalist believe that the attacks on the Bible began with Charles Darwin. Although Darwin did a lot to attack the Bible and blaspheme against the ONE TRUE GOD, however it really all began with the blasphemy of the round earth theory (note the word "theory").

Here are some Bible verses that prove that the Earth is flat. If we can't trust the Bible when it comes to the shape of the earth, how can we trust it when it comes to Salvation?

"Daniel 4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.” Only with a flat earth could tall tree be visible from “the earth's farthest bounds,” — this is impossible on a spherical earth.

Matthew 4:8: "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world"

Luke 4:5: "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time."

Isaiah 11:12 "And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

Revelation 7:1 "And after these things I saw four angels standing on four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree."

Likewise, the Bible shows that the earth is not free-falling from space, but it is standing firm on pillars:

“He shakes the earth from its place and makes its pillars tremble.” Job 9:6

“Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? … Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened?”  Job 38:4-6

Conclusion

If you claim to believe the Bible, you MUST believe in a flat, geocentric earth that is standing on pillars - just like I do. May God bless you and all of the FES.

May The God bless you

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The round earth means no god. The Flat earth means no god but The One God.

It's a matter of Eman and Kufr.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Sun Set!
« on: October 20, 2013, 10:07:19 AM »
The sun goes to one of its Maghareb in the west in side a spring to come up from one of its Mashareq in the east.

The earth becomes completely in darkness for a while who knows how much.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What if the earth were round?!
« on: October 20, 2013, 08:31:42 AM »
Are you saying physics do not exist?

I am saying that the whole current science is based on deceit and lies with all is branches, physics, geology, geography, biology, astronomy...etc

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Flat Earth General / Re: What if the earth were round?!
« on: October 20, 2013, 08:15:16 AM »
EJ's got a point.  To believe in either shape of the earth requires one to believe the set of physics that go along with it.  The argument becomes about the actual laws of physics and not just earth's shape.

No, there is no physics at all if you believe in the heavens and the earth. Believing in them is believing in their Fatir and this is what the big world agencies are fighting.

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