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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God Hates You
« on: May 27, 2012, 01:17:34 PM »
If there actually was a God, it's quite clear that he hates us. The fact that we are created sick, and then ordered to be well again on the pain of eternal torture proves it quite clearly.

But I'm happy there isn't any evidence for such being.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: One Reason to be an Atheist
« on: May 10, 2012, 07:58:35 AM »
The fact that the universe can be explained with the laws of physics without the need for a God, and the fact that no evidence for such being has ever been presented, atheism is the rational decision.

If someone sees something cool and absolutely brilliant in the universe, and goes "That proves God" I can't disprove you, but the fact that the phenomenon can be explained by natural means, makes your statement irrational.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is atheism a religion?
« on: April 24, 2012, 09:56:39 AM »
Matter of opinion. I don't really care...

I find it funny though that a lot of believers bring this up in a negative fashion, like we should be ashamed that it might be considered a religion, when they are defending theirs...

It's the same as "Is not collecting stamps a hobby?" sure some imaginative person would say 'yes it is' we all have 1000000 hobbies, but that's just his opinion.



"Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and, sometimes, to moral values." (Wikipedia)

By this definition any God we don't believe in, could be considered a separate religion.

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The Lounge / Re: Post your height/weight
« on: April 20, 2012, 12:09:34 PM »
174cm, 70 kg/5ft 8, 155 lbs.

I'd say that's quite decent for a 14 year old.
I'd say you need to lay off the pies, Tubby.
It appears I'm 1 pound away from the ideal weight for my height.

http://walking.about.com/cs/calories/l/blcalcweight.htm

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The Lounge / Re: Post your height/weight
« on: April 20, 2012, 11:14:51 AM »
174cm, 70 kg/5ft 8, 155 lbs.

I'd say that's quite decent for a 14 year old.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Difficult To Answer Thread
« on: April 17, 2012, 12:14:15 PM »
Is it normal on these forums that a thread goes absolutely off-topic in the first page, and no one even is trying to answer the questions asked?


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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Favorite bands
« on: April 13, 2012, 10:34:25 AM »
Children of Bodom
Ensiferum
Amon Amarth
Iron Maiden
Korpiklaani



Yeah.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Shape of smaller objects
« on: April 12, 2012, 06:00:14 AM »
Why are only bigger objects in space round, but like asteroids aren't?

In the RE model objects larger than about 1,000 km in size have enough gravity to pull themselves into a sphere.

#hi

They were likely formed in a liquid state and when they cooled, they stayed spherical.

Why couldn't this happen to smaller objects.
So why bigger objects appear as almost perfect spheres, but smaller can be quite close to a potato?


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Flat Earth Q&A / Shape of smaller objects
« on: April 11, 2012, 05:10:32 AM »
Why are only bigger objects in space round, but like asteroids aren't?

In the RE model objects larger than about 1,000 km in size have enough gravity to pull themselves into a sphere.

#hi

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: April 06, 2012, 12:12:17 PM »
I was talking about faith in a God. It's the end point for looking for real evidence. So many great scientists in the past have stopped their work when they have encountered a problem, and just said 'We can't explain that, that's God' The surrender of scepticism and reason.

And yes, I do in some occasions hate religion. Religious nuts at least. Who non-religious people would, in the year 500 have said "It's a healthy baby boy, what a miracle. Now find a sharp rock so we can shave a part of it's penis away" The suicide bombing community and the mutilation of genitals community are entirely faith based. Slavery is mandated by the bible, etc etc

The fact that religion is one of the leading causes of war and conflict throughout history should be enough reasoning on my behalf.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: April 06, 2012, 12:11:17 PM »
I was talking about faith in a God. It's the end point for looking for real evidence. So many great scientists in the past have stopped their work when they have encountered a problem, and just said 'We can't explain that, that's God' The surrender of scepticism and reason.

And yes, I do in some occasions hate religion. Religious nuts at least. Who non-religious people would, in the year 500 have said "It's a healthy baby boy, what a miracle. Now find a sharp rock so we can shave a part of it's penis away" The suicide bombing community and the mutilation of genitals community are entirely faith based. Slavery is mandated by the bible, etc etc

The fact that religion is one of the leading causes of cause of war add conflict throughout history should be enough reasoning on my behalf.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: April 06, 2012, 12:06:25 PM »
I was talking about faith in a God. It's the end point for looking for real evidence. So many great scientists in the past have stopped their work when they have encountered a problem, and just said 'We can't explain that, that's God' The surrender of scepticism and reason.

And yes, I do in some occasions hate religion. Religious nuts at least. Who non-religious people would, in the year 500 have said "It's a healthy baby boy, what a miracle. Now find a sharp rock so we can shave a part of it's penis away" The suicide bombing community and the mutilation of genitals community are entirely faith based. Slavery is mandated by the bible, etc etc

The fact that religion is one of the leading causes of death should be enough reasoning on my behalf.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: April 06, 2012, 08:55:52 AM »
A mind that calls a being void to a rock as God, is a disgrace to the human species.

Yes, there is plenty of evidence for gravity, yes obviously germs exists... and light is a particle, but again this has nothing to do with the challenge. You can go and make another thread debating those, but don't do it here.

Faith is the surrender of the mind.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: April 06, 2012, 06:54:23 AM »
That does not make any sense at all.

1st line, you say your an atheist
2nd, you say you have a personal God=your not an atheist
3rd line, basically means your a deist

Try to make sense.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: April 06, 2012, 06:16:07 AM »
LordDave, are you theist, deist or agnostic? Because I find it hard to think that someone who is a christian for example could say that God is undetectable.

Just asking to get this thread back on topic, since the arguments above don't have anything related to the original challenge.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: April 06, 2012, 05:33:07 AM »
Cool, a thread on the Internet challenging people to submit evidence for a god, that's original and interesting.

Yes, it is the most interesting debate of all. Religion was our first attempt at philosophy, medicine, morality but because it was our first, it was our worst. We now have better explanations for all the things, but yet in some countries it is forbidden to even think about the progress that has been made or that denies the knowledge that these advances have in fact occurred. (Hitchens ^)

It amazes me that the people here can say with a straight face that they don't even think about the option that there is no God, but yet cannot say any evidence for one.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: April 06, 2012, 05:18:08 AM »
Secondly, most places killing life instantly is an assumption on your part.

You go to a vacuum with no air and we'll see how long you'll live.

Earth:
It is said that Earth only sucks because we sin.

Trying to disprove proof of no God with religion does not work.

In essence, we've expanded far beyond the safe zone.

Which God gave us the ability to do obviously.

So all those asteroids and climate changes are just God changing something.

Trying to disprove proof of no God with religion does not work.

Creationist or Evolutionist, humans still kick ass. That one hole for eating and breathing hasn't slowed us down has it?

You put a human with any slightly big animal in a fight, human will get it's ass kicked. Elephants have better memory than us, many animals are faster than us, many are stronger, chimps are better at solving puzzles than our kids. etc etc.

As for diseases: population control from God.

That sure does seem to be working. Why would God make men so that he creates 50000000 semen a day, but women only 1 a month btw?

I'm sorry but you're going to have to do better than that if you want to make God improbable.

I'm sorry but you must come up with something else that just assumptions of your own.

@Waddogg, that is proof of evolution having to survive the shit design God has done, and losing 99% of all species along the way.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: April 06, 2012, 04:24:11 AM »
Prove that there isn't a god/gods!  Aha, gotcha!
You can't disprove God, but I'll try to summarize the things that make God very improbable.

Firstly, the stupid design of the universe (Credits to Neil deGrasse.) Most planet orbits are unstable, less than 3% if a gas could actually make a star, most places kill life instantly, galaxy orbits bring you near a supernove, etc etc. Religious people say 'all the forces are just right for life..' Excuse me, most of the places in space will kill you instantly.

Earth: Earthquakes & volcanoes level cities and villages, tsunamis kill 200000 people, floods, tornadoes, hurricanes, lightnings, can't live on 2/3 of it's surface, freeze or starve on half of what remains, mass extinction, disease, climate shift, killer asteroids, 99% of all life that has ever lived is now extinct, inner solar system is a shooting gallery, 3-5 billion years to make multi-cellural life.

Humans: Agressive childhood lukemia, homophilia, sickle cell anemia, multi scleroris, epilepsy, Parkinsons, ALS, narrow view of electromagnetic spectrum, vision loss with age, teeth fall out, Alzheimer, prostate cancer, exhale most of oxygen we inhale, warm-blooded so must eat constantly, practically comatose for 1/3 of our lives, can't detect magnetic fields, ionizing radiation fields, Radon CO, CH4 C02. We breath, eat and drink through the same hole in our body.

Not going to other animals, I think you get the point.

So all of those things, and more point to, that there is no God, and I've failed to see any evidence that there would be one. Thank you.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Birds ARE Dinosaurs
« on: April 05, 2012, 10:29:22 AM »
I really thought that most FEers were creationist.

This whole FET thing seems to me a way to enforce a literal view of the bible.

It surprises me that FEers can accept that evolution exist. After all, there are FAR more evidence that supports the round earth than evidence that supports evolution.
Evolution theory barely has any hard evidence, they are mostly subjective to interpretation. 
I have to disagree. All the 'hard' evidence we have of a round earth have become from sources we have no access to, and cannot replicate ourselves, and can also be replaced with other explanations.

This is very different from evolution which has been observed multiple times, and there are a lot more evidence which cannot be explained by anything else than evolution. Any even slightly sensible one anyway.

I wouldn't like to get into a debate about this btw...


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Flat Earth General / Re: Birds ARE Dinosaurs
« on: April 05, 2012, 07:26:00 AM »
I'm a RE'r and I do think birds are dinosaurs. Same way as humans are apes.

I thought that was common knowledge to most educated people, but it might just be the general common immaturity amongst a lot of RE's here.

Or then it's just a different interpretation of the matter. Like they think birds are birds, dinosaurs are dinosaurs, while they can be just put into one bigger group. I don't know...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: March 31, 2012, 11:53:10 AM »
@Roundy, weren't you a deist? I thought the title of this thread was pretty clear about who this challenge was put to. The rest of your post has nothing to do with the actual challenge either.
The reason this is only for the theists, is because I think most of the people here are deist, and I don't have the time to debate with 20 different people. It would really lower the level of discussion.

@Lorddave

1st quote: I assume that was meant to be a joke.

2nd: Because it explains how the Big Bang is possible with the laws of physics that are believed by everyone expect FE's

3rd: Hypotheses based on no real evidence deserve no real attention

Aand 4th: I assume since you cut my whole post into bits and reply to each one individually you just had to make some nonsense up at the end.


Now to get this topic back on track, I'd ask everyone to please not to post, unless you have some actual evidence. Please.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: March 31, 2012, 10:16:43 AM »
>no one knows what God is like
>therefore no one knows if he follows the rules of human logic
>ask people to use logic to show that something that cannot be explained by logic exists

This challenge is dumb to begin with

According to this you can't prove that God exists, which means my thread has been successful in it's only goal. (Showing that there are no good reasons to believe in a God)

I just made this thread for the people here that are so certain that God exists, that they have put it into their signature. Sadly non of those people have posted in this...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: March 31, 2012, 09:53:00 AM »
If you look at the Background Radiation of the Universe, you'll find a pattern that can't be naturally forming.

That's proof of God.  Especially once you decode it.
I assume your talking about Cosmic background radiation.
That's proof of the Big bang. The beginning of the natural order, aka the opposite of God.
False.
God IS order.  He created natural order.  What do you think that there was a poof and suddenly the entire space-time continuum with all the matter in it's current state suddenly appeared?  No, that's not how it happened.

Also:
The Cosmic Background Radiation has a patterned message in it that, once you decode, will prove that God exists. 

It's hard to talk about the physics that allow the big bang to happen here, because you don't believe in them.
But try to watch this video with an open mind:

What are you basing this decoding hypothesis on btw?



And to all of the people asking "What kind of evidence are you looking for?" That's not my business. It's the theists business, and by making this thread I'm trying to prove the there are no good reasons to believe in a God.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: March 31, 2012, 09:41:03 AM »
Say any theistic religion that's God didn't create the universe. Then I'll look into it.

A God has to be a eternal, all powerful creator, otherwise there wouldn't be a point to call him God. And in order for Him to be eternal, He would have to be immaterial, and would have to have infinite energy.
That kind of a being cannot be a product of evolution, or a Big Bang, so in that sense God has to have created the universe.

If you look at the Background Radiation of the Universe, you'll find a pattern that can't be naturally forming.

That's proof of God.  Especially once you decode it.
I assume your talking about Cosmic background radiation.
That's proof of the Big bang. The beginning of the natural order, aka the opposite of God.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: March 31, 2012, 02:41:52 AM »
Personal experiences like you saying that God came to you in a dream, or you heard him speaking to you is not evidence, because every single religion claims that they have had this kind of experiences.

But if the stars would be moved to say that "I'm God, and I'm real' that would be evidence, because multiple people can see it with 100% certainty in a sober state of mind, and can be documented.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: March 30, 2012, 01:58:04 PM »
@Lorddave, The challenge was really clear, and that question indicates that it doesn't apply to you. And if this challenge does not apply to you, that question was pointless, and this discussion could have been avoided if you just wouldn't have posted that. So you did change the subject because here we are, 4th post that has been made about that question.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Challenge to theists
« on: March 30, 2012, 01:37:14 PM »
Time.
You're hilarious.

Who said my God created the Universe?
The 4th rule...

If this challenge doesn't apply to you, don't post.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Challenge to theists
« on: March 30, 2012, 01:22:15 PM »
I first saw this challenge put by NonStampCollector on YT, and haven't seen any good responses in the comments.

But the challenge goes as such: Provide any proof or evidence that it was your personal God that created the universe.

And the easier version: Provide any proof or evidence that only one God created the universe.

Rules:
No circular arguments
Faith is not evidence
Personal experience is not evidence
Don't try to change the subject

Thanks.

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Flat Earth General / Re: 10 Reasons to Consider the Earth is Flat
« on: March 26, 2012, 06:14:39 AM »
There is No good reason to believe in a specific God, since they can't even prove that only one God created the universe, but they say that it's one God, and is specifically the God that's mentioned in the bible. To say that you base your theism on rational evidence, you have to have studied the thousands and thousand of God's created by man.

As for Jesus, I'd say he's a myth. Non of the story is true in any detail, and non of the gospels agrees with each other.
And even if I would grand all of the story to be true, it would still not prove he was the son of God, or that he's preaches were true.

Think about it. "I am the son of God, because no one ever saw my mother go bed with anybody, oh and also I might have looked dead when they took me down from the cross, but I didn't actually die, and that proves my point."

And to the above, some believe the earth is about 10000 years old, based on the dates given in the bible. Obviously the most scientific method.

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