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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: I'm new here and have some questions.

« on: October 15, 2011, 05:46:30 PM »

who would bother to take a picture of an ice wall with military vehicles unless that picture held some importance? this is not the only picture either. multiple pictures show the ice wall. the government hasnt suppressed these pictures because if they did so there would be suspicion. you cant prove that this isnt the ice wall. things are as they appear to be until they are shown to be false. there is no scientific evidence that the ice wall is false.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How long has The Conspiracy Existed?

« on: October 15, 2011, 05:42:45 PM »

no disproofs?

intellect. reason. rationality. there are no flaws in my logic, so what I say is true until it is proven false, with logic.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How long has The Conspiracy Existed?

« on: October 15, 2011, 05:26:27 PM »

intellect. reason. rationality. there are no flaws in my logic, so what I say is true until it is proven false, with logic.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: I'm new here and have some questions.

« on: October 15, 2011, 05:24:35 PM »

I did answer your question.

"Ummm.  it is extremely tall, made of ice, extends in all directions as far as the eye can see, is indisputable guarded by military vehicles... what more could you want? open up that mind of yours"

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Flat Earth General / Re: How long has The Conspiracy Existed?

« on: October 15, 2011, 05:18:36 PM »

Bin Laden has been on the US's hit list since at least the Clinton administration.

so then obama has known about osama's intentions to reveal the conspiracy for a while now.  what of it?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: I'm new here and have some questions.

« on: October 15, 2011, 05:16:23 PM »

Nice photo of A(n) icewall. Any evidence that it is THE icewall?

Ummm.  it is extremely tall, made of ice, extends in all directions as far as the eye can see, is indisputable guarded by military vehicles... what more could you want? open up that mind of yours

Civilian vehicles aren't allowed to have an american flag on trucks.

  Sez who?

says the law. if civilians could have flags on trucks and stuff then they could be confused for military.

follow this link for more info
http://www.google.com/

Yup, looks military to me.

you know what i meant. the law is only applicable to vehicles that are military in nature. obviously you are allowed to have flags on regular vehicles. do the vehicles in the picture of the ice wall look normal to you? of course not. they are military in nature and thus are not allowed to have flags unless they are actually military.

Let it go.

Either he is a troll, or he is unbelievably stupid.

I dont appreciate the insults I am trying to have an intelligent, scientific conversation

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Flat Earth General / Re: How long has The Conspiracy Existed?

« on: October 15, 2011, 05:10:58 PM »

what do you want, a signed statement from obama saying the conspiracy is true? the very nature of the conspiracy makes it impossible to bring forth anything which you would accept as "proof." Instead I am armed with intellect, reason, and rationality. everything i have said makes perfect sense. that is indisputable, ask anyone.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: I'm new here and have some questions.

« on: October 15, 2011, 05:04:28 PM »

Civilian vehicles aren't allowed to have an american flag on trucks.

  Sez who?

says the law. if civilians could have flags on trucks and stuff then they could be confused for military.

follow this link for more info
http://www.google.com/

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Flat Earth General / Re: How long has The Conspiracy Existed?

« on: October 15, 2011, 04:55:19 PM »

Sorry, I just thought he was supposed to be behind the 9/11 terrorists attacks.

Exactly: supposed.  I personally believe Guddafi were behind the terrorist attacks, not osama. Obama knew this on 9/11 but said osama was behind the attacks so he could keep osama from breaking the conspiracy. Of course, Obama couldn't let Guddafi get away the attacks so that is why we overthrew Guddafi. It all falls into place

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Mars looks like a star; Where does the light come from?

« on: October 15, 2011, 04:03:27 PM »

I have changed my mind about my previous post. If the moon was getting its light from the sun, then it wouldn't look white, it would look yellow like the light from the sun. This proves that the moon isn't getting its light from the sun and therefore must be flat, like the earth.

The same thing must go for mars. If the light we saw from mars was from the sun, then mars would look yellow instead of red because the sun is yellow. This means the the moon and mars must have separate but similar types of bioluminescent organisms on their surfaces.

*holds up white object outdoors in sunlight*
Hmm, it can't be sunlight illuminating this white object because it looks white and not yellow.
*throws white object in trash*

You apparantly havnt been outside in a while. If yellow light hits something that is white, how is it possible that white light bounces off when you only have yellow light in the first place. Maybe think a little bit next time before you make a post.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How long has The Conspiracy Existed?

« on: October 15, 2011, 04:00:28 PM »

Still not using common sense.

Still not giving any proof.

How can you say I'm not using common sense? I think you just don't see the sense when it is right in front of you. Osama bin Laden was assassinated for a reason, and I don't think Obama would have wanted Osama dead unless there was a pretty good reason. What better reason than Osama was trying to tell the world about flat earth? He most likely found out about it when he worked with the U.S. to stop Iran from invading

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: I'm new here and have some questions.

« on: October 15, 2011, 03:55:49 PM »

http://images.google.com/imgres?q=flat+earth+ice+wall&num=10&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1024&bih=677&tbm=isch&tbnid=4hl_muJaHqlgcM:&imgrefurl=http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D43374.40&docid=wzOXlhZX64GocM&imgurl=http://www.swisseduc.ch/glaciers/glossary/icons/ice-cliff.jpg&w=700&h=450&ei=5deZTrT0B-mgsgKfiP1M&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=259&vpy=168&dur=949&hovh=180&hovw=280&tx=132&ty=111&sig=105171113895814221479&sqi=2&page=1&tbnh=157&tbnw=223&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

This link takes you to a picture of the ice wall which got leaked. Of course you will just say the picture is false, but this are the actual ice wall.  Notice the military troops which is placed next to the wall. I can only imagine what happened to the person who took that picture.

1. Prove it's the ice wall
2. Prove that those are military.

Last, and most importantly because conspiracies and round earth's are not mutually exclusive:
3. Prove that RET is geometrically inconsistent with observation.

That isn't how it works.  If I have a truthful picture, it is your job to prove that it isn't true. That is how the United States was structured, truthful until proven false. Anyway, if you look closely at the vehicles in the picture, you can see an american flag which clearly denotes military. Civilian vehicles aren't allowed to have an american flag on trucks.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How long has The Conspiracy Existed?

« on: October 15, 2011, 03:47:44 PM »

Could we, just for a moment, use good common sense here:

A cospiracy so old, including so many people, and still ANY proof of its existence? And none who talked? even on their deathbed?

well you have to understand that most of the people who have knowledge of the conspiracy are killed before they can tell the public. eg abe lincoln, jfk, osama bin laden, etc. I would guess that multiple wars have started just to keep rouge people quiet.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: I'm new here and have some questions.

« on: October 15, 2011, 12:04:21 PM »

Frankly, I am offended that you would even insinuate that we do not actually believe the earth is flat. I have devoted my entire life to telling people the truth. I lost my wife and kids for this and here you are saying "this is a troll site." Maybe you should stop and think about that for a second.

You actually lost your wife and kids for believing in a theory which cannot be tested? Sure you can argue the failed Bedford Level Experiment that does not consider the refraction of light:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment

Refraction of light can produce the results noted by Rowbotham and Blount. Because the density of air in the Earth's atmosphere decreases with height above the Earth's surface, all light rays travelling nearly horizontally bend downward. This phenomenon is routinely allowed for in levelling and celestial navigation. If the measurement is close enough to the surface, light rays can curve downward at a rate equal to the mean curvature of the Earth's surface. In this case, the two effects of curvature and refraction cancel each other out and the Earth will appear flat in optical experiments.

This would have been aided, on each occasion, by a temperature inversion in the atmosphere with temperature increasing with altitude above the canal, similar to the phenomenon of the superior image mirage. Temperature inversions like this are common. An increase in air temperature or lapse rate of 0.11 degrees Celsius per metre of altitude would create an illusion of a flat canal, and all optical measurements made near ground level would be consistent with a completely flat surface. If the lapse rate were higher than this (temperature increasing with height at a greater rate), all optical observations would be consistent with a concave surface, a "bowl-shaped earth". Under average conditions, optical measurements are consistent with a spherical Earth approximately 15% less curved than its true diameter. Repetition of the atmospheric conditions required for each of the many observations is not unlikely, and warm days over still water can produce favourable conditions.

But you guys refuse to accept any evidence based on the exploration of Antarctica which has been thoroughly mapped:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1680&bih=914&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Aerial+Image+of+Antarctica

I'm sure you will say these images are faked or that they are not of Antarctica. But, that is not a proper counterpoint to a scientific debate. Likewise, I should demand evidence of this conspiracy from which you cannot provide because you claim the nature of a conspiracy. I could go to Antarctica myself and bring back evidence which disproves your theory, but then you will simply claim that I was manipulated by the conspirators while refusing to make such trip yourself even if you did not have to pay for the expenses. This claim is not testable by any scientific or logical means and therefore you do not have a valid theory for which to base your claims. Thus, you cannot make a valid claim that the Earth is flat and have it considered to be an actual theory.

I do not expect you to change your mind considering such evidence, but to lose your family over a theory which supports its claims by stating an untestable conspiracy is involved is lunacy. You cannot make a scientific claim, whether it's a modern one or an ancient definition of such, based on an untestable hypothesis. Unless of course you lost your family because they fell off the edge of the Earth while trying to explore Antarctica which resulted in you believing that the Earth is flat.

Their you goes again making personal insults. This is a serious thing and I would appreciate it if you would refrain from making personal attacks.

You are the one who refuses to be convinced even though there is overwhelming evidence of the conspiracy.

http://images.google.com/imgres?q=flat+earth+ice+wall&num=10&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1024&bih=677&tbm=isch&tbnid=4hl_muJaHqlgcM:&imgrefurl=http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D43374.40&docid=wzOXlhZX64GocM&imgurl=http://www.swisseduc.ch/glaciers/glossary/icons/ice-cliff.jpg&w=700&h=450&ei=5deZTrT0B-mgsgKfiP1M&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=259&vpy=168&dur=949&hovh=180&hovw=280&tx=132&ty=111&sig=105171113895814221479&sqi=2&page=1&tbnh=157&tbnw=223&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0

This link takes you to a picture of the ice wall which got leaked. Of course you will just say the picture is false, but this are the actual ice wall.  Notice the military troops which is placed next to the wall. I can only imagine what happened to the person who took that picture.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Mars looks like a star; Where does the light come from?

« on: October 15, 2011, 11:49:51 AM »

I have changed my mind about my previous post. If the moon was getting its light from the sun, then it wouldn't look white, it would look yellow like the light from the sun. This proves that the moon isn't getting its light from the sun and therefore must be flat, like the earth.

The same thing must go for mars. If the light we saw from mars was from the sun, then mars would look yellow instead of red because the sun is yellow. This means the the moon and mars must have separate but similar types of bioluminescent organisms on their surfaces. 

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: I'm new here and have some questions.

« on: October 14, 2011, 09:03:38 PM »

Frankly, I am offended that you would even insinuate that we do not actually believe the earth is flat. I have devoted my entire life to telling people the truth. I lost my wife and kids for this and here you are saying "this is a troll site." Maybe you should stop and think about that for a second.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How long has The Conspiracy Existed?

« on: October 14, 2011, 08:59:37 PM »

If you were to look it up on wikipedia, you would find a very interesting fact. Obama's ancestors were the first africans to live in ancient greece. They created the entire conspiracy to ensure that their descendents would be the rulers of the United States of America.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Mars looks like a star; Where does the light come from?

« on: October 14, 2011, 08:54:07 PM »

I can't believe this is still being discussed.  There are countless experiments which show the sun is a DUAL spotlight, shining on the moon, mars, earth, and venus. It would be illogical to think that the earth would receive all of the suns light, not to mention contrary to virtually unlimited scientific evidence.  Furthermore, mars is itself a spotlight which is shining onto to earth only. It also contributes to the light reflected off of the moon.