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Flat Earth Q&A / THe burden of proof is on FE's
« on: November 05, 2006, 08:30:31 PM »
the thing is, it could take a really long time for us to see if it is a round or flat earth. Every time something is proven wrong with the flat earth theory, the theory can easily change to fix it. That is what one is supposed to do with a theory.

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Flat Earth Q&A / THe burden of proof is on FE's
« on: November 05, 2006, 11:56:46 AM »
The choice is obviously going to be biased but to make it entierly scientific, you would need more proof on one side thenthe other which would mean further testing

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Flat Earth Q&A / See the Real Earth with Your Own Eyes
« on: November 05, 2006, 11:40:52 AM »
Perhaps they have in the US or somewhere else?

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Flat Earth Q&A / See the Real Earth with Your Own Eyes
« on: November 05, 2006, 10:39:20 AM »
Yeh it kinda looks like people can go in one of these planes and see everything for themselves. That is really cool but probably expensive. Someone here should try it out and video tape them near the plane and them on the plane, someone who has no skill in video editing because it would take a lot of skill to forge that no?

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Flat Earth Q&A / I feel pity for the FE'ers
« on: November 05, 2006, 10:21:25 AM »
Wait, is there an actual fe diagram of the solar system? I know there is one for the sun and the moon but i never saw one for the solar system.

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Ok, about something in the faq, when scientists spent the money to make advance imaging software instead of sending people to the moon, why wouldnt they sell it to the world and make millions of dollars?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Discriminated for believing the earth is flat.
« on: October 29, 2006, 09:22:35 PM »
Quote from: "woopedazz"
u have a number of options against the teacher all of which i have experienced:

1) shoot the teacher in the head with a really hard paper thingy...

2) palm teacher in head at ur formal and make him stack it over a fence wen hes trying to grab ur hip flask off u.

3) make fun of his/her stupid accent and make them quit school.

4) put a dead fish in one of their rooms, and let it liquify before she finally finds the source of the smell.

5) tell him to "go fuk urself, ur a fuking moron"

etc...however i really doubt that this is a real complaint, and not a prank, so in that case: refer to 5


Naah, you gotta be more creative, like find ways to slowly drive them insane. If you have a good class, team up with people.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Discriminated for believing the earth is flat.
« on: October 29, 2006, 09:14:15 PM »
Quote from: "Erasmus"
Quote from: "Max Fagin"
You are entitled to your belifes Orochi (even if they are demonstratably wrong) but not at the expense of the learning of other students.


That's ridiculous.  If he believes that the other students in his class are learning lies, then (to him) it's obviously not at the expense of their learning if he brings up his FE beliefs.


Yeah I agree completely. Dude, it'd be like someone teaching racist material and saying racism is good and someone standing up saying it's not. That person is telling the rest of the class there is another way to see it and that the teacher could be wrong.

Hmm...that looks like a bad example but maybe the rough idea in my head will get through lol.

Also Max Fagin, you can't be contradictory like that and say someone can believe in something even though it's bad.

Let's say this kid loves the colour green, and wants to wear a green shirt, what you did is like going up to that kid and saying "sure u can wear that green shirt if you want, but it makes u look fat, ugly, and shows off your sweaty pit stains." If you're going to support someone, don't throw in something biased even if you believe it is true.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Shouldn't this be in the FAQ ?
« on: October 29, 2006, 10:34:58 AM »
i remember reading somewhere that the flat earth was formed the same way as the round earth.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Discriminated for believing the earth is flat.
« on: October 29, 2006, 10:13:42 AM »
Orochi, many scientists and discoverers and explorers have been laughed at and ridiculed for centuries, just look at it like you're one of them. Besides, who has the right to tell you what you should believe in and what you shouldnt

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Flat Earth Q&A / 4 seasons
« on: October 29, 2006, 10:08:43 AM »
Dude, check the FAQ:

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The radius of the sun's orbit around the Earth's axis symmetry varies throughout the year, being smallest when summer is in the northern annulus and largest when it is summer in the southern annulus.




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Flat Earth Q&A / Point number 3
« on: October 28, 2006, 11:40:45 PM »
Quote from: "Skeptical Listener"
What is being worked on about RE? I don't see anyone that isn't on this forum trying to prove that the earth is round...


Dude there's tons of stuff that hasn't been figured out, we know this or else otherwise scientists would be bored shitless and many fields of science wouldnt exist like geology, astronomy, physicists, etc.

No one has everything figured out.

And it took many many years for people to come up with reasons for why the world is round, doesnt mean we should shoot down the flat earth.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Reason
« on: October 26, 2006, 09:20:34 PM »
LoL, beast that's awesome

K, i wanna see some more FE answers. What got you guys to see this and join?

and remember, play nice everyone:D

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Flat Earth Q&A / Reason
« on: October 26, 2006, 03:53:30 PM »
So I look around and I'm curious, what is everyones reason for joining the forum?

I joined because this concept of flat earth interests me even if I dont believe it? I'm not trying to prove anyone the earth is round, I honestly dont care if its in the shape of an anus cuz it wont change my life at all lol.


So why did you ppl join?

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Flat Earth Q&A / What we need
« on: October 26, 2006, 03:47:01 PM »
A good comparison is the spanish inquisition lol.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Refuting FEism
« on: October 26, 2006, 10:40:05 AM »
No man, I get you, that actually makes complete sense. I think one of the best ways both sides should prove stuff or explain something is with simple easy to do experiments

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Flat Earth Q&A / I'm sorry...
« on: October 25, 2006, 05:39:34 AM »
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simple enough, the atmospheric distortion is caused by small particles, far more concentrated near the ground, which is the same reason you can see further when youre up higher, its like layers, only with a smooth transition


if the cause is small particles, then what are these particles doing to cause distortion?

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Quote from: "Mephistopheles"
Quote from: "link222"
So basically, there is no real answer and only assumptions and ideas. Phaseshifter has just completely proven that the flat earth doesn't work because then it would be destroying itself.

As for throwing away assumptions, you can't say that without throwing away assumptions for everything. Which means assuming the world is flat should be thrown away.

or in another situation, let's say you have a daughter and she has been assumed to be kidnapped or dead, but throw the assumption away and the problem is gone.

In your mind the problem is gone, but not reality.


Here's to ripping you to shreds:

Before you even think of anything, you assume that the information your senses provide you with is intelligible.

Assumption creates the frameworks of our arguments.  Without an assumption, there is hardly an argument.  It's like watching, say, the 2nd Lord of the Rings without any backstory.  Assumptions are your backstory, your background information.


how is that tearing me to shred? I said dont throw away assumptions lol.

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Flat Earth Q&A / A round earth
« on: October 25, 2006, 05:26:43 AM »
Quote from: "bibicul"
We are deviating from the topic.

Let's figure out first how FE'ers explain the fact that the distance between earth - which is assumed not to have gravity (GeoGuy: In the FE theory Earth certainly doesn't have gravity) - and other planets like Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, stayed constant over time. In other words, if earth has no gravity then what's holding it in line with other bodies in our solar system? Why doesn't it just follow a random pattern or at least get closer or further away from these other bodies?


uh...actually the distance between the earth and any other celestial body is none constant, the distance changes all the time. dont mean to shoot you down man but just need to point it out

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Flat Earth Q&A / Screw Up
« on: October 25, 2006, 05:19:54 AM »
it's not used as evidence for the flatness, it's just that if someone has proof its not or something then someone else will say it doesnt count becuase it is part of the conspiracy

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Flat Earth Q&A / Screw Up
« on: October 24, 2006, 07:43:59 PM »
K fine let's talk outside FAQ. There is no proof there is a conspiracy, no plausible motive, so that should make it every time a FE'er says something is part of the conspiracy invalid because the conspiracy concept itself it stupid lol.

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Flat Earth Q&A / A round earth
« on: October 24, 2006, 07:38:10 PM »
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The FE theory says that the things gravity does to a planet don't happen on Earth, meaning that you have to show that they do. I would be perfectly satisfied if you could show me that everything that gravity does to other planets it does to Earth as well, I just doubt that you can.


give me a list of stuff gravity does and ill show you it does happen on earth. Of course they have to be possible with the stated gravitational force of the earth, otherwise they are just not possible. Yeah i know its stated for the round earth but that's what I'm trying to prove so of course I'm going to use it.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Screw Up
« on: October 24, 2006, 07:29:29 PM »
but its so stupid, it doesnt mean anything and isnt valid in anyway what so ever

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Flat Earth Q&A / Screw Up
« on: October 24, 2006, 06:23:22 PM »
that is actually a very good point lol.

Ok, what I found was that math proof is logical and not empirical.

Articles on Math Proof

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Flat Earth Q&A / Screw Up
« on: October 24, 2006, 04:03:01 PM »
but the point is that there isn't a conspiracy so no one can use that as an excuse for something not existing because theres no valid proof there is one

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Flat Earth Q&A / The geological layers
« on: October 24, 2006, 01:59:18 PM »
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Think of it has a giant rock cylinder, with a hot, molten center.


I don't know why, but that sounds like it could be a snack of some sort lol.

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Flat Earth Q&A / A round earth
« on: October 24, 2006, 10:26:47 AM »
We know that it is a common characteristic among the planets and one of the things gravity does is when you jump you come back down. So if we do that here, on a planet, there is no reason to assume it is not gravity.

I'm sure if we looked at the list of things gravity does on a planet and proved them all to happen on earth, you would still not be satisfied which therefore makes this a close minded and senseless argument.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Screw Up
« on: October 24, 2006, 10:22:05 AM »
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Q: "If you don't even have a possible motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"

A: Well it's quite simple really; if the earth is in fact flat, then the the governments must be lying when they say it isn't.


....waaaaait a minute lol.

That can also work as a counter argument because you can say
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[...] if the earth is in fact round, then the governments must be telling the truth when they say it is.


Note the small differences.

There is no reason to believe that the government is lying to begin with.
So you can't say the motive for their creating a conspiracy is that you're right no matter what (even if you're wrong) and when the government tells you you're wrong, then you say they're lying. That's just crazy.

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Flat Earth Q&A / A round earth
« on: October 24, 2006, 10:03:00 AM »
Because it's a planet, saying that it isn't the same is like saying just because everyone has skin, doesn't mean everyone should have it.

There is no valid reason why it shouldn't and no logic to why we should assume every other planet has gravity and ours doesn't. It is a general characteristic among planets, it's not one of those specific characteristics that makes a planet unique.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The geological layers
« on: October 24, 2006, 09:52:11 AM »
Alright, so, we know the top layer of the earth is solid, it's obvious because we live on it.

Under that layer, we have the mantle, then the core. Then because it is symmetrical, theres another mantle layer and a solid layer.

______________________       solid crust
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~       mantle
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx      core
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~     mantle
______________________   solid crust (bottom layer)


As you can see in this mini diagram, there are no sides on the earth. This means there is nothing holding the top and bottom crust together because the mantle is not solid.

So Neeman I think came up with this:

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It, I imagine, is simply being pushed upwards along with the rest of the earth. As I believe the UA is heating the bottom of the solid earth into its molten form, it is not only pushing the earth 'up' but also setting in motion the convection currents.


So basically it is all staying together because it is all going the same way.

But, let's say the top crust becomes heavier. This should cause it from rising up at a slower speed now shouldn't it? But if the bottom layer continues to rise up at it's original speed, then everything between the two crust layers should be squished out through the sides.

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