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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Prove the Flat Earth To Me

« on: March 23, 2018, 08:27:03 AM »

P.S. I have been banned multiple times, so a new reply may come from a different account.

No one cares

So no one cares that a society that claims they promote free thinking responds to criticism by silencing it...

No, its just no one cares about YOU. Your no ones nightmare. Your a play thing that's already become boring

If you didn't flout the rules here maybe you wouldn't get your arse handed to you. Why don't you try a different tact? This place is full of globe heads and trolls. None of them have any problems

You're*, You're*

Once you go the grammar nazi route you're basically admitting you lost the argument.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Prove the Flat Earth To Me

« on: March 23, 2018, 08:26:22 AM »

As the subject would indicate, I challenge the society, who has the "burden of proof" (you may want to google the words in quotations), to prove to me why the Flat Earth model is the correct.

OK.

Clearly not in the legal sense, so let's use the philosophical sense.

"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo."

1) When two parties are in a discussion.
2) Typically.

You're not in a discussion here, you're whining and challenging.

This site is pretty atypical.

Thanks, but no. I'll politely decline your challenge.

Good luck, though. Hope you stick around this time.

---Evidence the Earth is Round---

- go to airport
- fly plane
- look out window
- Circle. (spherical)


P.S I sincerely apologize for my absolutely atrocious English. I am North Korean and i cant express myself properly in the English language.

oh, take a 12,000 km walk, eventually, you'll find yourself to be in the exact location you were in a few weeks or years ago. surprise.
also, just a question, Why would NASA lie about round earth?
isn't that pointless?

I have flown many times and I did not see a circle.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Who does know the truth?

« on: March 23, 2018, 12:10:32 AM »

But the debate of FE or RE aside.
I'm genuinely wondering who FEers believe know that the earth is flat

As I said, the "space agencies" are in on it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain........

« on: March 21, 2018, 08:42:48 AM »

The lens in the human eye is certainly capable of focusing at infinity.

I would like to see how it is possible to see something that is infinitely far away.

And yet the Sun isn't infinitely far away.  The lens in the human eye is capable of focusing in a wide range. So your point is mute.

The original point that you so cleverly dodged is that because our eyes focus point is not in the infinite distance our perspective can make it look like the sun is sinking below the horizon.

And you dodged the point that the Sun isn't at infinity.

I'm not dodging that since I never said that the Sun is at infinity.

And yet that is your reasoning for the Sun to vanish. So at what distance do you believe the Sun vanishes due to the human eye being unable to focus?

I suggest you read chapter 14 of Earth Not a Globe. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain........

« on: March 21, 2018, 08:20:30 AM »

The lens in the human eye is certainly capable of focusing at infinity.

I would like to see how it is possible to see something that is infinitely far away.

And yet the Sun isn't infinitely far away.  The lens in the human eye is capable of focusing in a wide range. So your point is mute.

The original point that you so cleverly dodged is that because our eyes focus point is not in the infinite distance our perspective can make it look like the sun is sinking below the horizon.

And you dodged the point that the Sun isn't at infinity.

I'm not dodging that since I never said that the Sun is at infinity.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain........

« on: March 21, 2018, 08:16:03 AM »

The lens in the human eye is certainly capable of focusing at infinity.

I would like to see how it is possible to see something that is infinitely far away.

And yet the Sun isn't infinitely far away.  The lens in the human eye is capable of focusing in a wide range. So your point is mute.

The original point that you so cleverly dodged is that because our eyes focus point is not in the infinite distance our perspective can make it look like the sun is sinking below the horizon.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain........

« on: March 21, 2018, 08:00:57 AM »

The lens in the human eye is certainly capable of focusing at infinity.

I would like to see how it is possible to see something that is infinitely far away.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why does astronomical software work?

« on: March 21, 2018, 06:59:44 AM »

Well, you said this:
"Why is that relevant? No one's claiming the models are identical, just that regular, repeating phenomenon are predictable."

And the answer "why relevant" is in the fact that the software is not based on repetition,
which makes less relevant the part about "repeating phenomenon are predictable".

Not really, you just have to make a formula that predicts repeating phenomenon.

One simple example: precession of Mercury is not quite periodical.
Attempts to predict it correctly were failing before General Relativity.

Even if it was, you think people wouldn't understand how such formula works?

Also, let me remind you:

"Planetarium software is application software which allows a user to simulate the daytime and
nighttime sky on a computer. Such applications can be as rudimentary as displaying a star chart
or map for a specific time and location, or as complex as rendering photorealistic views of the sky.
While some planetarium software is meant to be used exclusively on a personal computer, some
applications can be used to interface with and control telescopes or planetarium projectors.
Optional features may include inserting the orbital elements of comets and other newly discovered bodies for display."

I wonder how to insert history of observation for newly discovered celestial bodies...

This is a snake we have in my country that I have seen . I observed it attacking me when I got too close. Now, I travel (in a straight line) to Australia, and suddenly I discover this entity I have never seen before, looking somewhat like (albeit, probably not in this position). Now, I have never seen this newly discovered creature, but still I am able to predict, based on the interaction of my home-grown snake, that if I would come to it it might attack me.

Using data on known celestial bodies you can predict what newly discover celestial bodies might do.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain........

« on: March 21, 2018, 06:43:37 AM »

If you agree that you can't see a bird if it's far enough away, it's not unreasonable that that the same happens with the sun when it moves too far away.

No, it is completely unreasonable as I already explained.
With birds, their apparent size gets too small to resolve, disappearing while quite high in the sky.
With the sun, the apparent size remains the same, and the disappear from the bottom up.
That is vastly different and thus there is no reason to think the 2 are in any way related.

It is far more comparable to a bird flying over a hill and going down the other side, with the hill obstructing it.

You also fail to understand how seeing objects work.
With objects which merely reflect light, like a bird, standing out against a background of scattered light, then eventually they get too small to resolve against the background.
But with very bright objects emitting light, it stands out even when it is too small to resolve.
You can try this yourself with a bright LED on a dark night vs during the day.
Set it up a fair distance away and see if you can see it during the day.
Then at night, turn it on and see if you can see where it is.

So again, it is nothing like a bird flying away too far.

For the RE model (i.e. reality) it is more akin to a bird going over a hill or a light going over a hill, with the hill blocking the view.
But for a FE model it should be like a light in large room, visible from everywhere in the room.

I have stood on a very flat plain and watched a flock of birds fly away. When they flew over they were clearly at the same height. However, when flying away in the distance it appeared that the bird furthest away was lower towards the horizon than those closer by. It's simply from our perspective that it seems they move under the horizon, because our eyes can not look into inifinity.

Our eyes don't "look into infinity".

Exactly my point.

No, not your point at all! You seem to be saying that it's impossible for the human eye to see anything that is at infinity. My point is that we are not even trying to see something at infinity, regardless of whether it is possible or not.

Because we can not see infinity our focus points cross at earlier points, which gives the disappearing effect.

In what sense can the lens in the human eye not focus at infinity?

This is getting ridiculous now, do I have to explain how humans can not focus on a point that is infinitely far away?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain........

« on: March 21, 2018, 05:36:28 AM »

If you agree that you can't see a bird if it's far enough away, it's not unreasonable that that the same happens with the sun when it moves too far away.

No, it is completely unreasonable as I already explained.
With birds, their apparent size gets too small to resolve, disappearing while quite high in the sky.
With the sun, the apparent size remains the same, and the disappear from the bottom up.
That is vastly different and thus there is no reason to think the 2 are in any way related.

It is far more comparable to a bird flying over a hill and going down the other side, with the hill obstructing it.

You also fail to understand how seeing objects work.
With objects which merely reflect light, like a bird, standing out against a background of scattered light, then eventually they get too small to resolve against the background.
But with very bright objects emitting light, it stands out even when it is too small to resolve.
You can try this yourself with a bright LED on a dark night vs during the day.
Set it up a fair distance away and see if you can see it during the day.
Then at night, turn it on and see if you can see where it is.

So again, it is nothing like a bird flying away too far.

For the RE model (i.e. reality) it is more akin to a bird going over a hill or a light going over a hill, with the hill blocking the view.
But for a FE model it should be like a light in large room, visible from everywhere in the room.

I have stood on a very flat plain and watched a flock of birds fly away. When they flew over they were clearly at the same height. However, when flying away in the distance it appeared that the bird furthest away was lower towards the horizon than those closer by. It's simply from our perspective that it seems they move under the horizon, because our eyes can not look into inifinity.

Our eyes don't "look into infinity".

Exactly my point.

No, not your point at all! You seem to be saying that it's impossible for the human eye to see anything that is at infinity. My point is that we are not even trying to see something at infinity, regardless of whether it is possible or not.

Because we can not see infinity our focus points cross at earlier points, which gives the disappearing effect.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain........

« on: March 21, 2018, 05:12:04 AM »

If you agree that you can't see a bird if it's far enough away, it's not unreasonable that that the same happens with the sun when it moves too far away.

No, it is completely unreasonable as I already explained.
With birds, their apparent size gets too small to resolve, disappearing while quite high in the sky.
With the sun, the apparent size remains the same, and the disappear from the bottom up.
That is vastly different and thus there is no reason to think the 2 are in any way related.

It is far more comparable to a bird flying over a hill and going down the other side, with the hill obstructing it.

You also fail to understand how seeing objects work.
With objects which merely reflect light, like a bird, standing out against a background of scattered light, then eventually they get too small to resolve against the background.
But with very bright objects emitting light, it stands out even when it is too small to resolve.
You can try this yourself with a bright LED on a dark night vs during the day.
Set it up a fair distance away and see if you can see it during the day.
Then at night, turn it on and see if you can see where it is.

So again, it is nothing like a bird flying away too far.

For the RE model (i.e. reality) it is more akin to a bird going over a hill or a light going over a hill, with the hill blocking the view.
But for a FE model it should be like a light in large room, visible from everywhere in the room.

I have stood on a very flat plain and watched a flock of birds fly away. When they flew over they were clearly at the same height. However, when flying away in the distance it appeared that the bird furthest away was lower towards the horizon than those closer by. It's simply from our perspective that it seems they move under the horizon, because our eyes can not look into inifinity.

Our eyes don't "look into infinity".

Exactly my point.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain........

« on: March 21, 2018, 04:20:23 AM »

If you agree that you can't see a bird if it's far enough away, it's not unreasonable that that the same happens with the sun when it moves too far away.

No, it is completely unreasonable as I already explained.
With birds, their apparent size gets too small to resolve, disappearing while quite high in the sky.
With the sun, the apparent size remains the same, and the disappear from the bottom up.
That is vastly different and thus there is no reason to think the 2 are in any way related.

It is far more comparable to a bird flying over a hill and going down the other side, with the hill obstructing it.

You also fail to understand how seeing objects work.
With objects which merely reflect light, like a bird, standing out against a background of scattered light, then eventually they get too small to resolve against the background.
But with very bright objects emitting light, it stands out even when it is too small to resolve.
You can try this yourself with a bright LED on a dark night vs during the day.
Set it up a fair distance away and see if you can see it during the day.
Then at night, turn it on and see if you can see where it is.

So again, it is nothing like a bird flying away too far.

For the RE model (i.e. reality) it is more akin to a bird going over a hill or a light going over a hill, with the hill blocking the view.
But for a FE model it should be like a light in large room, visible from everywhere in the room.

I have stood on a very flat plain and watched a flock of birds fly away. When they flew over they were clearly at the same height. However, when flying away in the distance it appeared that the bird furthest away was lower towards the horizon than those closer by. It's simply from our perspective that it seems they move under the horizon, because our eyes can not look into inifinity.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Who does know the truth?

« on: March 21, 2018, 04:13:56 AM »

NASA and all other "space agencies" know the truth and man the ice wall

Yes, at least those, but I believe that numerous people, possibly millions, must know the true shape of the earth just to carry out their everyday tasks.
Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why does scientists disagree? « Message by rabinoz on February 11, 2018, 09:06:44 PM »

For many of those only a few high up in the chain need to be involved, that's hardly millions. A few hundred well placed individuals would do.

Your scenario assumes total disciplie and lack of curiosity and observation among subordinates.
That is not what human nature would support.

History has shown that this is false.

It WAS false under certain circumstances and for only certain subset of facts.

How many meteorologists have to know how to calculate (and why like that) possible future Coriolis effect on currently developing hurricane?
How many navigators before GPS had to know how (and why like that) to calculate Apparent Horizon Dip to be able to calculate positions accurately?
How man astronomers had to know how (and why like that) to calculate distance to closer stars by paralax?

How many others, all in their disciplines, could rely only on "what they have been told" in their daily work?

Generally speaking, nobody can calculate correct results using wrong parameters and wrong formulas.
Yet, globe model works well in so many human activities.

How many coincidences would have to fit in place to avoid all possible discrepancies, if globe model was wrong?

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Stalin was still alive while somewhere in Gulag two people talked to each other:
- Why are you here?
- Because I didn't know how to assemble bicycle.
- What do you mean?
- Well, in my factory we were producing parts for bicycles, and deliver them to another department to assemble.
  Some day I was curious what would they look like assembled, and since nobody knew where is assembling deprtment
  I decided to assemble one myself. As many times I tried, I failed to make bicycle. Every time it looked like machine gun.
  Meanwhile our supervisor discovered I don't know how to make bicycle.

Fortunately, we don't have Spanish Inquisition or Russian Gulag any more.

A lot of those predictions are based on patterns. Observations from thousands of years can easily be extrapolated. Any dictatorship will show you how far people will go to not look at whatever atrocities are being committed, so why would they try to look closer into the lies their RE masters tell them?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Who does know the truth?

« on: March 21, 2018, 03:10:27 AM »

NASA and all other "space agencies" know the truth and man the ice wall

Yes, at least those, but I believe that numerous people, possibly millions, must know the true shape of the earth just to carry out their everyday tasks.
Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why does scientists disagree? « Message by rabinoz on February 11, 2018, 09:06:44 PM »

For many of those only a few high up in the chain need to be involved, that's hardly millions. A few hundred well placed individuals would do.

Your scenario assumes total disciplie and lack of curiosity and observation among subordinates.
That is not what human nature would support.

History has shown that this is false.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain........

« on: March 21, 2018, 01:55:31 AM »

If a bird is 5000 meters away, do you see it? Because I don't.

No, because it is too small to see.
I am yet to find a bird that is tens of km across like FEers claim the sun is.
Meanwhile if a bird is 5 m in the air, yet off 20 m to the side I can still easily see it and it is no where near the horizon.

Now how about you quit with the pathetic deflection and excuses and try explaining why we can't see the sun all the time?

If you agree that you can't see a bird if it's far enough away, it's not unreasonable that that the same happens with the sun when it moves too far away.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain........

« on: March 21, 2018, 01:33:24 AM »

The sun moves in circles like this:

The sun moving in circles does not explain why you cannot see it.

If there is a bird circling over head, it doesn't need to be directly overhead for me to see it.
In a large room, I can see the ceiling all the way through the room.
So how does the FE sun magically get hidden from view and/or magically stop illuminating Earth?

If a bird is 5000 meters away, do you see it? Because I don't.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Please explain........

« on: March 20, 2018, 11:52:19 PM »

The sun moves in circles like this:

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Flat Earth General / Re: Who does know the truth?

« on: March 20, 2018, 11:44:08 PM »

NASA and all other "space agencies" know the truth and man the ice wall

Yes, at least those, but I believe that numerous people, possibly millions, must know the true shape of the earth just to carry out their everyday tasks.
Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why does scientists disagree? « Message by rabinoz on February 11, 2018, 09:06:44 PM »

For many of those only a few high up in the chain need to be involved, that's hardly millions. A few hundred well placed individuals would do.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Feminism...right or wrong?

« on: March 20, 2018, 11:39:24 PM »

#feminism

http://www.sportingnews.com/other-sports/news/ronda-rousey-nude-photos-domestic-violence-double-standard-mma/udzhrf02njjr1xud19ud8yaoa

“I deleted the photos. Then I erased the hard drive. Then I waited for Snappers McCreepy to come home from work. I stood frozen like a statue in his kitchen, getting angrier and angrier. I started cracking my knuckles and clenched my teeth. The longer I waited, the madder I got. Forty-five minutes later, he walked in the door. He saw my face and froze. He asked what was wrong and when I didn’t say anything, he started to cry. I slapped him across the face so hard my hand hurt.”

"He wouldn’t move. I punched him in the face with a straight right, then a left hook. He staggered back and fell against the door. ... I slapped him with my right hand. He still wouldn't move. Then I grabbed him by the neck of his hoodie, kneed him in the face, and tossed him aside on the kitchen floor."

The fight ended after Rousey went to her car and he jumped into the passenger seat, grabbing the steering wheel. “I walked around the car, pulled him by the neck of the hoodie again, dragged him onto the sidewalk and left him writhing there as I sped away.”

#killallmen

Some congratulated this bitch for her violent assault on her partner. Imagine swapping the gender roles here.

And there is backlash, as there should be

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The Lounge / Re: If you were the demon...

« on: March 20, 2018, 05:34:28 PM »

I would play Post Offices and Accountants with my fellow demons

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The Lounge / Re: Which came first: the sinner or the sin?

« on: March 20, 2018, 05:31:10 PM »

In the words of rekown poet James Fauntleroy, you are born a sinner:

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Network

« on: March 20, 2018, 04:55:13 PM »

Why not keep it on here where we can show confused round earthers how to find their own proof for what the actual shape of the earth is?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Who does know the truth?

« on: March 20, 2018, 04:53:29 PM »

NASA and all other "space agencies" know the truth and man the ice wall

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The Lounge / Re: Which came first: the sinner or the sin?

« on: March 20, 2018, 04:46:02 PM »

Everyone is born a sinner so the sinner came first.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Earth is Flat!!! FINALLY PROVEN! FLAT EARTH!

« on: March 20, 2018, 04:40:54 PM »

Any flat Earth theorist is just that - a theorist.
Anyone who takes their model from scripture or dogma is not a theorist. It's thoughtless allegiance.
This community is more about the former.

Really?
From what I have seen it seems to be the latter, a thoughtless allegiance.
The FEers don't seem to be theorists, i.e. making hypotheses and testing them.
Instead they seem to be baselessly asserting Earth is flat and then making up whatever excuses are needed to pretend it is.

Funny, most round earthers that I see around here just parrot whatever thoughtless idea they saw posted wherever they found the link to this forum without being able to write down any coherent argument.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Network

« on: March 20, 2018, 04:30:09 PM »

I feel isolationism is never a good answer.

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Flat Earth General / Re: THE FIRMAMENT/DOME/GLASS CEILING/WATERS ABOVE

« on: March 20, 2018, 03:57:42 PM »

Why you can't travel from Australia to South America straight.

I've flown from South America to Australia, though not the other way. Though I have flown Papua New Guinea, Fiji then Hawaii. All entirely practical

JOU must be very very tired!  Seriously, your POINT is?

It's quite clear, you say something is not possible, he points out it is.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Network

« on: March 20, 2018, 03:31:47 PM »

I would need to know what it is before joining antything...

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The Lounge / Re: Believers community

« on: March 20, 2018, 03:16:21 PM »

You can become a member very easily https://theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/about-the-society/joining-the-society

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Flat Earth Believers section is not enough

« on: March 20, 2018, 02:16:52 PM »

Or tryout tfes