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Flat Earth General / Re: 9/11 and Flat Earth
« on: May 20, 2017, 02:41:24 AM »
Lol...Don't compare the nonsense of trump to anything.

As I said, many government whistle blowers, enough of them was "silenced" by death and other tactics to teach those who had wise ideas a valuable life lesson.

It has nothing to do with what side of the fence you are on political wise, it has to do with being suicided twice in the back of the head...Or having your power removed and money tree cut down.

Just like when Kennedy was killed because he was about to dispan the Federal reserve as well as out those truly pulling the strings (per his speech a week before)...He was probably terminated in a very public fashion. It was not just about his death, it was a warning to others with wise ideas...We can reach you anywhere and it doesn't matter who you are.


Also, as I said, I have science, engineering, logic, circumstantial evidence, testimonies, etc etc etc on my side....You have the T.V.

You want to live by the television...No problem, your choice...It never lies and has your best interest at heart...Trust me

Aye well I don't have a TV so fuck knows where I'm getting this from.. and still, I don't believe it was an American led conspiracy in any way:

1) The constant shifts in the balance of power in Washington mean you couldn't safeguard such a secret with any certainty
2) Whilst the military industrial complex is somewhat self motivated I honestly can't see how bringing the WTC down helped advance any of their aims, it was 'justification' for a war which arms companies did well out of, not the military, and they didn't need to blow up San Fran to go into Afghanistan, or Vietnam, or Korea, or, or, or, or... so why do it?
3) I honestly don't think you could find enough people to murder their fellow countrymen, and certainly someone would have said SOMETHING by now given how man people would need to be involved
4) The Trump thing is analogous because it just shows that you can't lie to the American public for long before someone dishes the dirt on you, and you can't control everyone all the time
5) Kennedy was killed by a mad man who said he was going to shoot him then he did - shit happens, unfortunately..

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Sometimes we really fuck up those silicon-based life forms. I present to you: Alien Killing Fields



According to the comrade, the aliens were mining for silicon for computer microchip technology and for crystals and precious gem stones - the sand was the leftover from mining.

So they 'leftover' the thing they were mining for? Seems wasteful, not to say counterproductive.

And I thought these giant laser axe wielding Aliens were the clever ones??!???

Maybe what they carried with them much more what they left behind!  ;)

And, you seem to have pointed at the sand and left out the crystals and gem stones - maybe you're not as clever as the Aliens, after all!  ;D

Quite. I'm sure the Aliens from LaserAxe 9 placed economic value in crystals and gem stones in the same way we do (except not crystals obviously, you probably mean diamonds). Even if that were true, it's still a fuck up to leave all those millions and millions of tonnes of silicon lying around if it's one of the three things you're mining. Plus there are literally planets made out of every type of precious stone you can imagine I'd have thought. Seems like a poor idea, inefficiently executed and then, why where the chopping down mountains again??


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Flat Earth General / Re: 9/11 and Flat Earth
« on: May 20, 2017, 02:19:43 AM »
It doesn't need to be "large"....Just a select few people is all it would take, use people from out of the country for the grunt work. It's not rocket science.

Nor did it stay "hidden"...There were many government whistle blowers...Many that had very "convenient" deaths..Then suddenly their name was never mentioned again in mainstream.

The example was set, no different than hanging a no solicitation sign on your porch next to a door to door salesmen's​ severed head. Risking their life would not be worth it to most or anyone at that point.

Just like risking one's life to help expose the truth of other people's murder is not worth it to most.

Besides that, I have science, logic, circumstantial evidence, etc etc backing me. You have what the T.V. said...

Pretty lopsided

No I'm not buying it. Trump's team can't even have a couple of phonecalls with the Russians without the Washington Post finding out.. I don't believe that the American people at large would allow something like that to be suppressed, whatever the threat to their livelihood was. Plus the Dems have no reason to protect the Republicans anymore now they're so polarised - they'd be all over it. The state just isn't set up like that over there, which is something you can be proud of I'd say.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« on: May 20, 2017, 02:06:59 AM »
All those who claim that faking the Moon "landings" in 1969-1972 was impossible but making the Moon landings in 1969-1972 possible, are essentially saying that warpdrives and Death Stars must be real.

[Non sequitur meme]
Indeed, the idea that staging moon landings is insanely impossible but making moon landings is perfectly possible is a non sequitur.


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1969 - computer - size of a house

Also rare, expensive, difficult to use, and, compared to what many people routinely carry in their pocket today, not powerful at all.
Indeed. So the idea that a small flimsy LM could house that is ridiculous.

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This is strong evidence against the "CGI" some claim was used to fake the moon landings, but was still more than adequate to do the calculations necessary for a moon landing.

:D CGI didn't exist in 1969-1972. Front screen projection did. And that's what they used obviously. Your non sequitur is getting boring.

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Who cares if an IBM System/360 was the size of a house if you had a large building to keep it in?

People who think some steps further than just accepting a lie.

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1969 - filmstudios - everywhere available

No. They were rare, expensive, and limited in capabilities compared to modern CGI, which wasn't available at the time.

Film studios were rare, expensive and limited in capabilities.
Going on a journey into the craziness of space was not rare, not expensive and not limited.


You see, your non sequitur is dooming your position, not mine.

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1969 - no experience having been 380,000 kms from home

1968 - Apollo 8. 381,681 km from home on the evening of 24 Dec. Distance to moon (from central North America), 379,800 km + 1781 km radius of moon + 100 km orbital height.

Apollo 8 did not leave System Earth, just as Apollo 11-17 didn't.

And even taking that as true; 1 journey to the Moon (without landing) was enough to perform 7 successful (6 with landing) journeys afterwards. Sure, then it wasn't difficult. Controlling the LEM in the well-known desert of the US was too hard for Clumsy Neil, but two weeks later a perfect landing on a celestial body, never done before was no problem. Your non sequiturs are dropping like micrometeorites.

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1969 - Kubrick had experience staging space films

2001: A Space Odyssey was a fun science-fiction film for the time. No one would confuse it for a documentary, however. The moon scenes made good visuals for a popular film, but had too many technical details wrong to pass muster as remotely close to realistic due to the limitations of special effects in films and simulation of conditions on the moon in a film studio on earth.

Of course, the deal was to make 2001 not too perfect, so the film stage hoax wouldn't be too obvious. The technical details of the "Moon landings" were even greater, pointed out by many reviewers, from Kaysing to McGowan, Sibrel and White (2 of them). And back.

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The list is endless and every year that passes since those Nixon Nonlandings the whole scam becomes more laughable.

The "moon-landing hoax" arguments seem to have stalled a couple of decades ago after being thoroughly debunked. Ignorance is apparently endless, however, since some still claim to believe them.

The problem of believers is, that they think they "debunk" something just by quoting the same liars who staged the whole thang.

Ignorance indeed is apparently endless, good you acknowledge your failures. That's the first step, now you have to take the big leap.

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Jan 13, 2167: Mama, can we go to the Moon for summer holidays?
No son, they did it 6 times between 1969 and 1972 with medieval technology, but now we can't anymore
::)

Sadly, this may come to pass. There seems to be no compelling short-term economic or political reason to put in the money and effort,

There are more motives than just economic and political. Scientific investigation is one of them.

"There seems to be" is just regurgitating the lies of the ones who have proven to lie all the time. Doesn't impress.

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or take the risk - and it is expensive, difficult, and risky. All of that is needed to make a manned moon landing possible.

Apparently it wasn't difficult and risky in 1969-1972. So today it would be even less difficult and risky.

The Wright brothers had a difficult and risky task at hand and they made it happen for a few seconds. That's why now you can fly almost anywhere on the planet. The summer holidays on the Moon will not. 44.5 years and counting.

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The best chance of it happening again? China may press to attempt manned moon landing(s) for prestige and to hone technical capabilities. If they do so, the US may decide that it's worth it again, too, because there is still a lot to learn, but mostly we won't want to be upstaged by China. We can hope!
You name "prestige" and "still a lot to learn", which are good points, and then mask them again by pouring the sauce of the liars over it.

The Chinese government! :D Those commies can be trusted of course. Just like the Soviets could be trusted.

Fuck me, you're the embodiment of typical conspiratorial dullards - "I think it sounds hard to do so there must be someone with access to some better technology acting covertly in the shadows". See also Pyramids, Easter Island Statues, etc.

The point is that they couldn't do slow-mo in 1969, it's that simple, why not watch the video which explains it?

Setting light to shit tonne of propellent and firing something into space is quite crude really, and our understanding of Newtonian Physics is an effective tool in achieving a successful trip to the moon. It's not easy obviously, but quite why you think it's impossible makes literally no sense unless you haven't really thought about it, even superficially.
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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Society Memes
« on: May 20, 2017, 02:05:54 AM »

Flat Earth Is Real

Earth is flat, there is no real proof of a spherical Earth.
All the globalists have are photos, and video; equations and illusions.
They are all manufactured forgeries.

Many are too enamored with daily life to contemplate what this truth means.
Entirely blind to their own ignorance of reality.

1) You're a dick
2) Photos, videos and equations > youtube and the Flat Earth Believers forum circlejerk
3) You really are a dick

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Flat Earth General / Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
« on: May 20, 2017, 02:03:41 AM »
Some food for thought..

I'm sure it won't be..

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Well, I guess that killed the conversation  :)

Well, it was alive to a point of interest in the subject, because it did sound interesting the way the Russian guy put it!

We cannot though deny the unique structure and shape of Devil's Tower, which really resembles a giant prehistoric tree stump.

Now, whether Silicon-based life forms could have existed in prehistoric times and eras, I guess that remains a possibility, because we are not 100% sure what the atmosphere composition was like in those times!

Also, what came in Ezekiel 31 about the giant Ceder tree in Lebanon, adds more mystery to subject!

It simply was an interesting subject and worth looking into.

We can, they didn't, it doesn't and it isn't

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Flat Earth General / Re: 9/11 and Flat Earth
« on: May 20, 2017, 02:01:02 AM »


Where did we get? So far no where officially but a bunch of dead ends, lies and nonsensical answers.


Possibly because you were and are wrong, because again it's ridiculous to imagine a conspiracy on that scale being effectively covered up.

As I always say around this time - 'they' couldn't even cover up the burglary of one office during Watergate, what makes you think 'they' could do something 1000 times bigger?

EDIT: My apologies, save the hysteria eh.

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Flat Earth General / Re: 9/11 and Flat Earth
« on: May 20, 2017, 02:00:00 AM »



Where did we get? So far no where officially but a bunch of dead ends, lies and nonsensical answers.


Possibly because you were and are wrong, because again it's ridiculous to imagine a conspiracy on that scale being effectively covered up.

As I always say around this time - 'they' couldn't even cover up the burglary of one office during Watergate, what makes you think 'they' could do something 1000 times bigger?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Faking the moon landing impossible
« on: May 20, 2017, 01:58:23 AM »
All those who claim that faking the Moon "landings" in 1969-1972 was impossible but making the Moon landings in 1969-1972 possible, are essentially saying that warpdrives and Death Stars must be real.

[Non sequitur meme]
Indeed, the idea that staging moon landings is insanely impossible but making moon landings is perfectly possible is a non sequitur.


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1969 - computer - size of a house

Also rare, expensive, difficult to use, and, compared to what many people routinely carry in their pocket today, not powerful at all.
Indeed. So the idea that a small flimsy LM could house that is ridiculous.

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This is strong evidence against the "CGI" some claim was used to fake the moon landings, but was still more than adequate to do the calculations necessary for a moon landing.

:D CGI didn't exist in 1969-1972. Front screen projection did. And that's what they used obviously. Your non sequitur is getting boring.

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Who cares if an IBM System/360 was the size of a house if you had a large building to keep it in?

People who think some steps further than just accepting a lie.

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1969 - filmstudios - everywhere available

No. They were rare, expensive, and limited in capabilities compared to modern CGI, which wasn't available at the time.

Film studios were rare, expensive and limited in capabilities.
Going on a journey into the craziness of space was not rare, not expensive and not limited.


You see, your non sequitur is dooming your position, not mine.

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1969 - no experience having been 380,000 kms from home

1968 - Apollo 8. 381,681 km from home on the evening of 24 Dec. Distance to moon (from central North America), 379,800 km + 1781 km radius of moon + 100 km orbital height.

Apollo 8 did not leave System Earth, just as Apollo 11-17 didn't.

And even taking that as true; 1 journey to the Moon (without landing) was enough to perform 7 successful (6 with landing) journeys afterwards. Sure, then it wasn't difficult. Controlling the LEM in the well-known desert of the US was too hard for Clumsy Neil, but two weeks later a perfect landing on a celestial body, never done before was no problem. Your non sequiturs are dropping like micrometeorites.

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1969 - Kubrick had experience staging space films

2001: A Space Odyssey was a fun science-fiction film for the time. No one would confuse it for a documentary, however. The moon scenes made good visuals for a popular film, but had too many technical details wrong to pass muster as remotely close to realistic due to the limitations of special effects in films and simulation of conditions on the moon in a film studio on earth.

Of course, the deal was to make 2001 not too perfect, so the film stage hoax wouldn't be too obvious. The technical details of the "Moon landings" were even greater, pointed out by many reviewers, from Kaysing to McGowan, Sibrel and White (2 of them). And back.

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The list is endless and every year that passes since those Nixon Nonlandings the whole scam becomes more laughable.

The "moon-landing hoax" arguments seem to have stalled a couple of decades ago after being thoroughly debunked. Ignorance is apparently endless, however, since some still claim to believe them.

The problem of believers is, that they think they "debunk" something just by quoting the same liars who staged the whole thang.

Ignorance indeed is apparently endless, good you acknowledge your failures. That's the first step, now you have to take the big leap.

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Jan 13, 2167: Mama, can we go to the Moon for summer holidays?
No son, they did it 6 times between 1969 and 1972 with medieval technology, but now we can't anymore
::)

Sadly, this may come to pass. There seems to be no compelling short-term economic or political reason to put in the money and effort,

There are more motives than just economic and political. Scientific investigation is one of them.

"There seems to be" is just regurgitating the lies of the ones who have proven to lie all the time. Doesn't impress.

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or take the risk - and it is expensive, difficult, and risky. All of that is needed to make a manned moon landing possible.

Apparently it wasn't difficult and risky in 1969-1972. So today it would be even less difficult and risky.

The Wright brothers had a difficult and risky task at hand and they made it happen for a few seconds. That's why now you can fly almost anywhere on the planet. The summer holidays on the Moon will not. 44.5 years and counting.

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The best chance of it happening again? China may press to attempt manned moon landing(s) for prestige and to hone technical capabilities. If they do so, the US may decide that it's worth it again, too, because there is still a lot to learn, but mostly we won't want to be upstaged by China. We can hope!
You name "prestige" and "still a lot to learn", which are good points, and then mask them again by pouring the sauce of the liars over it.

The Chinese government! :D Those commies can be trusted of course. Just like the Soviets could be trusted.
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Fuck me, you're the embodiment of typical conspiratorial dullards - "I think it sounds hard to do so there must be someone with access to some better technology acting covertly in the shadows". See also Pyramids, Easter Island Statues, etc.

The point is that they couldn't do slow-mo in 1969, it's that simple, why not watch the video which explains it?

Setting light to shit tonne of propellent and firing something into space is quite crude really, and our understanding of Newtonian Physics is an effective tool in achieving a successful trip to the moon. It's not easy obviously, but quite why you think it's impossible makes literally no sense unless you haven't really thought about it, even superficially.

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Sometimes we really fuck up those silicon-based life forms. I present to you: Alien Killing Fields



According to the comrade, the aliens were mining for silicon for computer microchip technology and for crystals and precious gem stones - the sand was the leftover from mining.

So they 'leftover' the thing they were mining for? Seems wasteful, not to say counterproductive.

And I thought these giant laser axe wielding Aliens were the clever ones??!???

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Sometimes we really fuck up those silicon-based life forms. I present to you: Alien Killing Fields



haha!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Globe...
« on: May 20, 2017, 01:18:27 AM »

Is it insane to teach the theory of evolution or the theory of gravity in schools with no proof?


That would be insane.

Hear, hear. I sometimes think even they're not listening to what they say..

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Flat Earth General / Re: ISS fakery reaches new heights
« on: May 20, 2017, 01:03:58 AM »


I am a professional musician who played on live podia uncountable times and this time around i can detect the bullshit far better than you do ! ;D


Well my bullshit alarm went haywire just then.

A 'professional musician' who can't figure out that all Chris Hadfield has to do is play along to a feed sent to him?

The return signal is what he hears and what he plays combined and is what the audience back on the ground hears. A live band on Earth does not need to hear Hadfield playing his part or hear the return signal, they just need to keep their music in time and let him play his bit.
Wowwww, you just explained a finilized master production, not a live performance IF DELAY (earth-ISS-earth) played a part in all of this.
With delay your explaination is trashcan worthy.
Earth's band playing-delay-ISS receives incoming signal of band-Chris plays along with incoming audio-delay-combined effort is audible for the audience.
The video is cut and piaste so we won't see any delay (Chris changing chords on the wrong moment and moving his lips with delay)
So we do see some post production then ??
''Áre you guys ready to do this'' ?, ''Chris ready to go ''? (answer without delay....) ''yes Ed i'm ready'' !
Then the performance starts and they play guitar and drum parts at the same suggested moment (video proof)....Chris changes chords and moves his lips at the same visible moment as the rest on earth.
This is a supposed live performance and the audio and matching video doesn't suggest any delay whatsoever. Delay cannot play a part whatsoever without destroying the credibilty of this performance one way or the other.
Are you suggesting there is absolutely no delay during this combined performance ?

Or do we witiness a cleverly edited musical ''production'' in which all feeds are matched into a supposed live performance both visual and audible ?

Why do NASA supporters always have to clean up the mess NASA is leaving behind.......you are sure you are not getting payed ?
Because if the band at my wedding would have faked themselves through my wedding this way,i would have kicked them out before the first interval, because playing a record is for free and i don't need a bunch of actors pretending they perform live   ;D

Yep, good point, the evil geniuses at NASA who have brainwashed an entire planet (apart from you Truthseekers), presumably using a very robust grasp of technology and it's uses, decided they wanted to do a fake duet with Barenaked Ladies AND FORGOT THEY COULDN'T BECAUSE OF THE DELAY THEY'RE FAKING.

They will kick themselves when they realise they threw all that.. er, power is it?... or money?.. why are they doing it again?.. Anyway, they threw IT ALL AWAY, because of the Barenaked Ladies.

Grrrr.

Well done Dutchy.

That, or maybe they just accounted for the delay in some way - maybe he had a backing track or a metronome for a guide, rather than the band itself. And then they could sync up the footage after the fact. WHICH IS NOT A CRIME BY THE WAY.

EDIT: Oh look, you just have to google it..

"The song premiered Friday morning as a prerecorded video. Hadfield performed his part on the space station; Robertson did his in Toronto with a collegiate glee club and the other members of Barenaked Ladies. It was written as part of an annual event for Canadian music students. In May, students across Canada will play the song live with Hadfield in space."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/02/06/171312026/astronaut-and-rocker-pen-first-earth-space-duet

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Flat Earth General / Re: 9/11 and Flat Earth
« on: May 20, 2017, 12:45:18 AM »

Where did we get? So far no where officially but a bunch of dead ends, lies and nonsensical answers.


Possibly because you were and are wrong, because again it's ridiculous to imagine a conspiracy on that scale being effectively covered up.

As I always say around this time - 'they' couldn't even cover up the burglary of one office during Watergate, what makes you think 'they' could do something 1000 times bigger?

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The Lounge / Re: First FES meet up??
« on: May 20, 2017, 12:34:56 AM »
Please please please please please choose a location overseas for this and then navigate there using only Flat Earth maps...

PLEASE

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What about the telemetry tapes from all of the Apollo missions that weren't erased?  Don't they count for anything?
Sure !
But that doesn't take away from any rational explaination about HOW most of it got lost.

"Most" of the Apollo telemetry got lost? Nope.

The type of tape they were using to record mission telemetry became unavailable, so some of the original tapes from earlier missions were reused for later missions after the data on them was archived. This became a "thing" when interest in improving the quality of the scan conversion of the Apollo 11 moonwalk video was investigated, and the original tapes containing the unconverted analog video were found to have been reused. It's unfortunate that only the best-available (at the time) scan converted standard video was archived instead of the slow-scan original, but preserving the former was much more straightforward since equipment to do so was readily available, unlike the custom format, and, since we were going back soon anyway, that video was treated as kind of an afterthought.

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It is like claiming i have a huge collection of extremely rare comic books, that got lost during a move to another place and then claiming these things do happen once in a while. ::)

Zillions of comic books were routinely discarded and destroyed soon after they were published because they weren't valuable at the time. Some are kept for a while, but fewer (or, in some cases, none) are preserved until they become rare and valuable. "I had that whole collection when I was a kid, but mom tossed it after I moved off to college. Now, 40 years later, those would have been worth thousands."  It happens. A lot. Which is why a few become rare and those, when recognized, are treated accordingly.

Actually, I have no problem believing that troves of rare comic books are sometimes discarded because their value at the time isn't recognized. That's the sort of thing people comb estate sales for.

In the case of the Apollo telemetry tapes, there wasn't a single working deck that could read them at the time that the search for the original tapes was being made earlier this century, and hadn't been for some time. One that could potentially be restored had been located in a museum, so there was hope. If there's nothing to read the tapes on, the tapes are of little to no value, even presuming the tape itself hadn't deteriorated too much to be read. This was especially true since almost all the data on them had already been adequately transcribed. Unfortunately, the transcription quality for the Apollo-11 live surface video, deemed adequate at the time, was not as good as it could have been done 40 years later.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-nasa-tapes-idUSTRE56F5MK20090720
''NASA admitted in 2006 that no one could find the original video recordings of the July 20, 1969, landing.''

''The good news is he found where they went. The bad news is they were part of a batch of 200,000 tapes that were degaussed -- magnetically erased -- and re-used to save money.''

Knowing the moonhoax debate was out there from the very start, the original high quality video of the first moonlandings could contain the most obvious clues for a staged Apollo moonlanding.
The original Apollo 11 recordings were unique with that in mind.
Almost all moonhoax' critcis about a staged moonlanding is focussed on the pre recorded Apollo 11 footage that was shown on a big screen during ''live tv'' worldwide.
Everything should be in a vault preserved for future generations.
The comments about how the ''moonhoax clan'' would react upon such loss, indicates that NASA was very aware about the flaws that hoaxers' claimed to have found in the original Apollo 11 recordings.
With that in mind they should have preserved their Exhibit A in a better place.

My point stands. NASA knew the ''hoaxers'' were especcially dismissing the recordings of the Apollo 11 attempts to ''fake'' the first landing and lost it, knowing it would fuel the debate.

And did you loose some large collection of great value know as such? Do you know someone who did ? (my remarks about loosing a large amount of rare comicbooks with a KNOWN value)
The first moonlanding is, so they say, the greatest achievement of mankind,.......not those missions that followed soon after.
To fail to preserve those original recordings is without explaination.
And yes i can read all ''explainations'' available to explain away how and why it did happen.....but none of them make sense whatsoever, only from a cover up perspective.
''To safe money'' ?
If you compare the total budget of NASA in the lean times of NASA,  recording over the greatest achievement of mankind is insane.
What amount of money was saved by doing so ?
I can think of hundreds of far more irrelevant cuts to save way more money.....or are you implying they did cut each and every corner untill even ''free space'' and ''storage'' became to expensive at one point in NASA's budgetary history ?

Do you also deny the existence of Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles then? It's basically the same technology. And if you do, how do you explain the peace that's prevailed over Western Europe since World War 2? If both the US and the Russians knew that they were lying about their missile technology it wouldn't serve as an effective deterrent... and yet...

Also for all the 'deep thinking' you did, that appeared to lead from the truth into ignorance for some reason, you seem to have forgotten that IT WASN'T FREAKING NASA WHO PROVED THE EARTH WAS A SPHERE.

Why does everyone keep forgetting that?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Society Memes
« on: May 20, 2017, 12:11:04 AM »



I may be stupid, but at least I know a YouTube video is not an image and thus, does not belong between IMG tags! Also, I'm not that acquainted with the definition of a meme but I doubt this video qualifies.

If it's ill thought out and barely justified, then consider it an homage to all things Flat Earth..

Further to my original statement I also, surprisingly, know enough about the definition of the word "homage" to know that the video does not qualify as an homage to all things flat Earth!

Ps. The math is cool, if you can get past the stupid!

It does in the metaphorical sense that I proposed... I haven't watched that video but if it's some of that delicious mathematical proof of a spherical Earth I'm all for it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Society Memes
« on: May 19, 2017, 11:53:24 PM »



I may be stupid, but at least I know a YouTube video is not an image and thus, does not belong between IMG tags! Also, I'm not that acquainted with the definition of a meme but I doubt this video qualifies.

If it's ill thought out and barely justified, then consider it an homage to all things Flat Earth..

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why All the confusion about Antartica?
« on: May 19, 2017, 11:38:29 PM »
Rabinoz, you do not know the model and you consistently refuse to understand it, your opinion on the subject is meaningless. When you are able to make an informed argument, I will listen. As it is, you just seem to want to lie to people to convince them not to 'waste their time' rather than making up their own minds.
If you had a good argument, I would understand; you'd have a model you'd disproven, and people wouldn't need to examine it. Great. Except that's not what you've got, you've got a troll's depiction of the model with zero understanding, and every time it's explained what actually happens you instead choose to ignore it. Why is that?

All I ask is that DET gets a fair hearing. the problem is that this doesn't happen, because the likes of you always butt in, outright lying and preventing any constructive conversation from taking place. If you want to know why there are a multitude of FE models, that is why. How are we meant to develop and work together when you insist on derailing any attempt? How are people meant to make up their own minds when you insist on spreading lies all over the forum?
And are you really saying Intikam's serious? he's running a thread about immortals. And Sandokhan is just a load of mystic bullshit, he's appealed to the Vril before, who are literally from a fictional novel.

The only thing which even comes close to being an argument in your post is your reference to spectroscopes, but they just demonstrate certain elements are present, they do not imply what you're claiming.

Evidently flat earthers do stand a chance. You'd think that, if we didn't and FET was as weak as you insist, you could trust people to make up their own minds, or mount honest arguments. Instead you lie about the contents of the model, knowingly and constantly despite repeated correction, and butt in nearly every time it's mentioned just to remind people of your dishonesty. You act like an authority on a model you know nothing about.
To me, it sounds like FET is doing just fine. Otherwise, what are you so afraid of? Why not give it a fair hearing?

Yeah, I've had a look at it and it's total nonsense:

First sentence is enough I think - The Theory of Relativity does not 'define space to have a fabric', it defines  and predicts the behaviour of the gravitational field, and the effect of mass on spacetime.

Why should I read any further exactly?

Go on, then.. why are there higher and lower concentrations of aether and dust and why have they stopped flowing into lower concentration areas and thus spreading out evenly over the whole universe?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why All the confusion about Antartica?
« on: May 19, 2017, 11:21:19 PM »
Rabinoz, you do not know the model and you consistently refuse to understand it, your opinion on the subject is meaningless. When you are able to make an informed argument, I will listen. As it is, you just seem to want to lie to people to convince them not to 'waste their time' rather than making up their own minds.
If you had a good argument, I would understand; you'd have a model you'd disproven, and people wouldn't need to examine it. Great. Except that's not what you've got, you've got a troll's depiction of the model with zero understanding, and every time it's explained what actually happens you instead choose to ignore it. Why is that?

All I ask is that DET gets a fair hearing. the problem is that this doesn't happen, because the likes of you always butt in, outright lying and preventing any constructive conversation from taking place. If you want to know why there are a multitude of FE models, that is why. How are we meant to develop and work together when you insist on derailing any attempt? How are people meant to make up their own minds when you insist on spreading lies all over the forum?
And are you really saying Intikam's serious? he's running a thread about immortals. And Sandokhan is just a load of mystic bullshit, he's appealed to the Vril before, who are literally from a fictional novel.

The only thing which even comes close to being an argument in your post is your reference to spectroscopes, but they just demonstrate certain elements are present, they do not imply what you're claiming.

Evidently flat earthers do stand a chance. You'd think that, if we didn't and FET was as weak as you insist, you could trust people to make up their own minds, or mount honest arguments. Instead you lie about the contents of the model, knowingly and constantly despite repeated correction, and butt in nearly every time it's mentioned just to remind people of your dishonesty. You act like an authority on a model you know nothing about.
To me, it sounds like FET is doing just fine. Otherwise, what are you so afraid of? Why not give it a fair hearing?

Yeah, I've had a look at it and it's total nonsense:

First sentence is enough I think - The Theory of Relativity does not 'define space to have a fabric', it defines  and predicts the behaviour of the gravitational field, and the effect of mass on spacetime.

Why should I read any further exactly?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Earth curve calculator
« on: May 19, 2017, 11:04:00 PM »
I find this claim that the earth is flat utter ridiculous and it's making me laugh.  I'd love to see someone take a boat to the end of the earth and fall off the edge.  Also, this isn't from NASA.  Looks to me like there's curvature to the world.



I love that there's an entire website and community built around this nonsense.  It's like 2nd graders have taken over the interwebs.
But then again, which planet are we dealing with ? Most certainly not earth, because the whole picture is filled with landmass only.
The use of gopro fisheye lenses that account for the curve as shown in the pictures is another option. Your pick..... ;D

Your lack of perspective is incredible..

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is the FE a troll?
« on: May 19, 2017, 10:36:31 PM »
This entire Flat Earth thing is a grand exercise in trolling, and for that at least I respect them. For their intellectual dishonesty, not so much. See below for a case in point:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60092.msg1550362#msg1550362


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Y'all are some retards! If you think that the earth is flat then how can you see the earth clearly a sphere from space. The pictures of space are not made in a holly wood basement either. There is this thing called science and proof you need to look into it. and you won't see the curvature because of the scale of the people relative to the earth take a really big ball and put something micro on it so small you can't see it. It will be flat to the F**KING Dumb a*s

Posts like this just make you look stupid, it's literally all it achieves, if you make it to 1000 posts I can recommend someone to hone your skills at ad hominems and well poisoning. He's literally the best shitposter I've ever seen

Yes disputeone, posts like that do make you look stupid. Because it implies a belief that every single photo from space is fake, which is obviously crazy and entirely without evidence.

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There might be 10-20 people that are actually in the know.

The rest are highly cooperative figureheads, placed in a position, paid handsomely, and other than that, just DNGAS.

They got theirs and they they will do whatever it takes to keep theirs, just like everyone else would.

So I do not think "governments" necessarily lie about anything.

Yes, buy WHY?

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Hello all-

I rarely come by these parts as it is mostly a collection of little boys who use so-called science, Wikipedia and consensus belief as fact while trying to be smart by arguing the shape of the earth with those who they feel are far less intellectually capable then themselves. So, to those Globe believers that have 100-200 posts, I can see that. You come here, you make a few points, debunk a few claims... makes sense.

This post however, is to the Globe Believer out there who has any number higher than 500 under their name. Honestly, you need to immediately look at your life and the way you spend your time as it is a sad indicator of your perceived intelligence. I see constant name calling and building yourselves up like you are some kind of intellectual. Ask yourself, why in the world you would spend your time on a forum for flat-tards as you call them? What could possibly be the motivation? Do you also run track against people in wheelchairs and have eating competitions against toddlers. Wow, you ate more hot dogs than that 2 year old? Impressive. Won that swim meet against the lady with no arms? Well aren't your parents proud!

Is that really the best you can do?  Debate those who you think are ignorant and the scum of the world?  You chose the forum full of what you consider ignorant flat earth fools to flex your intellectual muscles?  I am really impressed. Tell me, where can I find the next NY Yankees vs. The Inner City of Chicago Little League game? Should be a barn burner. Seems to me you guys secretly doubt your own beliefs and this place makes you feel all warm and cozy. This way you can sleep well at night and think of Elon Musk stroking your hair gently. Good night sweet prince... don't forget to say your prayers! "I thank the big bang for everything, thanks stellar theory and gravity for holding me down. Thanks St. Newton for telling us how a cannon would work if we shot it too far, not far enough and most importantly, if we shot it just right!  Thanks for all the wonderful things in orbit and all NASA has provided the human race. Thanks Arthur C. Clarke for giving NASA your satellite ideas and thanks to the the big blue globe for pulling us all to the center. Thanks amoeba for evolving into me. Thanks star dust for creating schools to indoctrinate me and thank you most for flat earthers so I can feel smart by referring to facts that men say are true and I really trust them. In the name of The Physics, The Sun and the Holy Peer Reviewed Journals -  Ahhhh men!"

Mate the chutzpah of that sentiment is incredible. 500 plus posts containing facts isn't the problem here - you've done 85 posts in which you claim the Earth is flat.. That's crazy right there.

You realise (by which I mean you probably don't realise) that you've compared your intellectual ability unfavourably with a physical handicap there.. I'm not saying you're wrong it's just unusual when you're claiming that you're the clever one.


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Someone careful.   :)

This issue has been discussed many times.

There is a huge gand here and aims to show themselves as idiots. Their aim is Make an impression as flat earth believers usually are idiot like themselves. It aims to confuse  the newcomer :"If they are such idiots, am I stupid when I look like them?".  they are not really flat earthers, even so flat earth believers are smart ones than the average of the people. For example I'm not one of them and has an IQ about 160. There is a lot of real flat earth believer here and some of them are smarter than me According to my observations . :o

When I see newcomers, I advise them to ignore all the ones in my signature. Almost all of them belong to the same gang. God damn all.

Can I be in the list please? Also, you left out Einstein, Eratosthenes, Aristotle, Pythagoras and my friend's three year old son who apparently is more logical than you..

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Society Memes
« on: May 19, 2017, 09:29:55 PM »


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No Byrd was not talking about East Antarctica, Byrd says in his interview that the land is filled with natural resources such as coal. You cannot extract natural resources in Antarctic climate when its 100 degrees below. So Byrd clearly was talking about a new continent with warmer temperatures.  Byrd claimed there is coal there and other resources, this means he had evidence, this means he explored the land and determined what's there.

As far as the bible goes, its the book that designed  for this Matrix reality. However it does speak the truth when it says that God seats above the circle of the earth. Circle means disk. You Europeans are all liberal psychos. You call bible bullocks and turn away from your Christian history, letting millions of illegals in. You gonna loose your countries soon because you spit in the face of God.

God has no face, so I'm not sure about spitting in it...as there ain't no god.....bit like the dome. And by the way they are bollocks.....not bullocks, thats you getting your balls and cows mixed up.
I would rather be seen as a liberal European rather than a rednecked USA republican libertarian racist.

Note.
People from the USA should not confuse the terms liberal (as in the European useage) ......and libertarian.
Thanks.


Really dude? At least here down south we preserve our heritage and not let our women be raped! I'm not a racist I respect everyone but I'm not gonna let people come to my country and push me around or force their culture on me. You guys in Europe are complaining about Putin and Russia. But you are much more communist than Russia ever been. You don't believe in God or Christ but guess what your Muslim immigrants believe in God very much and they will turn your country into Sharia law Islamic state, and guess what? You deserve it. Keep voting for liberal asshole like Angela in Germany and loose your country forever LOL


Cheers for your considered response to my point - your evasion is both fractal and quantum, possibly even recursive*

*NB this sentence makes sense if you attached whatever meaning you want to any of the words, as is your wont.

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So it is both a physical and metaphysical exit out of this world matrix we living in

You forgot to mention it's also an allegory. Because, hey, why can't it be three different things at one and the same time - that's John Davis's approach after all...

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