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Flat Earth General / Re: Question regarding the conspiracy
« on: June 18, 2010, 04:50:31 AM »
While gravity might bend space and light, can you estimate the bending by applying an acceleration of g to lights path?
if you apply the actual mathematics, you realize that light would circumnavigate the earth in less than 1 second, therefore the light would only fall by 4.6*1^2=4.6m this is a high end estimate, in actuality, the time is closer to .1 seconds, giving a value of less than one meter. so Yao Ming should be able to see his home from America, if he were to use a powerful enough telescope.
I was about to start a topic about the underlined idea.
If the earth is flat, with all the powerfull telescopes we have, couldn't we be able to see the wall of ice that surrounds us?
Please don't reply saying that telescopes are junk and they're all fake metal tubes designed by the instigators of the conspiracy.

Flat Earth General / Re: Question regarding the conspiracy
« on: June 17, 2010, 09:19:02 AM »
I also don't hold that is true.

One thing that will cause you a few issues here is that there are several different versions of flat earth theory held by different experts on the subject, much like in RE physics.  It can be quite confusing and daunting to learn the differences and keep them all straight.
That is true, but differences between RE physics are slight compared to the non existence of a universal FE map.

Let me ask you, if you don't believe in the conspiracy theory, the photos being fake and the distance between the moon and the earth in FE theories, what makes you believe that the earth is flat?

Flat Earth General / Re: Question regarding the conspiracy
« on: June 17, 2010, 08:57:59 AM »
The simplest way to put it to a non-native speaker is that the fabric of space bends light
Ok, I thought that light bends space but I'm not familiar with any concept of physics.
So since the space bends light, the other part of the continents are not visible or seems to be curved into the shape of a globe.
I can't respond to that, but I'm sure others could.

What about the distance of the sun and the moon?
Illusion or not, I think that astornauts could have felt a 3000 miles trip and not 382 260 Kms.

Flat Earth General / Re: Question regarding the conspiracy
« on: June 17, 2010, 08:43:18 AM »
I wouldn't use the word illusion, but I suppose its fitting enough.
What about my other question?
Shouldn't we be seeing all the continents since they are on the same flat surface?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Of Iran and the Flat Earth Theory
« on: June 17, 2010, 08:30:14 AM »
I am competent with both French and MSA. May I see some of these sources?
Absolutely, you'll just have to wait that I get home from work and scan it for you.
You'll learn about the secret lives of many arab scientists and the Christian and Pagan signs dissimulated in many islamic landscapes.
The bullshit verses and the grammatical errors.

Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Solar eclipse?
« on: June 17, 2010, 08:13:52 AM »
Basic trigonometry can be used to calculate a fairly accurate earth moon distance. If the Persians/Iranians could do it all those years ago... That would be a good starting point. A similar calculation can be done for earth sun distance.
Can you tell us the distance using basic trigonometry?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Of Iran and the Flat Earth Theory
« on: June 17, 2010, 07:57:41 AM »
I too have studied the Qu'ran, I find it to be a useful and wise document. I am not sure which parts of the Qu'ran you find to be dangerous - are they the parts which contradict globularism? I agree that these are "dangerous" to the Copernican regime, but for humanity they are a tremendous blessing because they contain scientific truths.
The dangerous part is the message:
-Forcing people to believe the same doctrine as you, killing others who couldn't be forced.
-Penalties to islamic law infringement.
And other things.

About the scientific truths:
The Coran contain some heavy bullshit that were forced down people's throat as truths.
And I can show you a tremendous amount of what I am talking about.
Actually a war has been raging since the beginning of the Islamic empire between madrassas because of grammar's errors in the main verses.

I am not convinced by your claim that the finest Islamic scholars were merely pretending to be Muslims. That seems to me to be as incongruent as those miscreants who claim that all the finest Western Flat Earth scholars past and present are merely pretending to believe in the Flat Earth (people do make these outlandish claims, I have been a victim of these offensive accusations on numerous occasions).
I sure can't convince you since all my sources are books written in arab or french.
But you have to know that most of scientists and writers of the arab world are originals of the newly occupied zones, like persia or north africa and were muslims for less few generations.
It is important to add the alarming disappearance of cultures and the diminished number of people living in the conquested lands.
During the short life of Carthage, there were 5 millions of berbers living all around north africa and their number dropped between the North African and South Western European arab conquests.

I personally believe that the brightest and best members of the Islamic scientific tradition were devout servants of Allah. Their piety no doubt kept them from the temptations of the proto-Conspiracy, whose insidious doctrines seem to have infiltrated many cultures throughout history.
I feel that I am talking to my entourage where I get the same responses praising devotion and fanatism.

I'm not trying to deny the huge contribution of the Islamic world since it is a part of my own heritage and history but you're walking in a mined field where lies are tightly wrapped with the actual truth.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Of Iran and the Flat Earth Theory
« on: June 17, 2010, 06:57:13 AM »

Ah, I see I have offended your racist and xenophobic sensibilities. I am sorry that my enlightened tolerance does not sit easily with your senseless religious hatred.
Islamic science has a rich history, which has contributed groundbreaking work to the fields of medicine, astronomy, optics and a variety of other studies. In fact, the first university, established in Al Karaouine in the 9th Century, was a bastion of Islamic science.
Okay to clarify things, I'm arab and I was muslim until the age of 19.
I know of what I'm talking about, so don't jump into insults, yet.
Second, The "university" you're talking about is not the first university, but a mosque school built in Morocco.
It is the second built in the Magreb after Okba's mosque in Kairouan (Tunisia).
Both of them were not teaching any science except Elm AlKalam, the science of the holy words and the recital of the Coran.
The coran, I learned it since the age of 5 and it is filled with very dangerous and agressive words.

How is this claim reconcilable with the medieval contributions of Islamic science? Since its inception Islam has been a force for rationality and enlightened scientific study, by contrast it is the Western World which spent many centuries in regression and scientific penury, a state which it appears to still have not yet emerged from.

As general disarray mentioned, the islamic science has nothing to do with the Coran.
We call the islamic science the contributions of the arab world, what you seem to not know is that most of the biggest contributors were atheists, jews and christians posing as muslims for several reasons.

Flat Earth General / Re: Question regarding the conspiracy
« on: June 17, 2010, 06:45:58 AM »
I'm not really into physics and maths but if you think that the picture is altered so that we have the illusion of a Round Earth, why can't we see all the continents? And if you think that the pictures are true, can you show me the edge of the flat earth on a Nasa picture? I have dozens of high resolution photos.
If you believe that men went to outer space, do you believe that all of them had the illusion of a round earth? or do you think that they were "convinced" to keep it a secret?

I imagine the assumption is that if math is false (due to 1+1=1) then anything that comes from or uses math are tainted fruits and may not be valid.  If this is the case, the probability that we would randomly stumble upon the correct answer is very small.
If one goes with what the OP was saying, as I understand it.
We're not perfect, as humans.
We always tend to attend the biggest level of perfection, but all we do is to discover flaws.
Math is a true science (it's a french expression translation, I'm not sure if it's the same in English) but it is true just to the point where we discover the next error to correct. It's called development.
In modern science, it is absolutely true. The probability that we would randomly stumble upon the correct answer is very small, but it doesn't mean that the round earth theory is false. Hence the:
That we refuse to accept this pseudo-equation of "oneness" plus the Island's volcano smoke doesn't equal One False Round Earth theory, it just equals a pseudo-equation of "oneness" plus Island's Volcano smoke.
This just means that there are more ways as to see things, not that we all are flawed and that the Round Earth theory is false.

But anyway, what's obvious is that the OP is trying to push Cubes into Circles and yelling: it fits.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Of Iran and the Flat Earth Theory
« on: June 17, 2010, 06:27:38 AM »
It is painful to me that the noble and enlightened people of Iran have been led astray by the Conspiracy's heretical lies and false promises of space travel. The Russian Globularist enclave has merely used one of their pseudolite aircraft to broadcast a new series of satellite signals and deceive the Iranians from their otherwise worthy and accurate Islamic science.
Please don't get me started on Islam and the Iranian people (The majority of them).
Islam isn't a science and is surely not accurate.
I surely can understand how you can find it useful to your cause since it claims that:
-The moon is eating itself.
-The sun is a spotlight.
-The earth is flat.
-The satanic conspiracy.
But if you look closer, it just repeats the mythology of ancient people of what we call now, the middle east.

And to John Davis, I hear you and I agree with all your replies.
Except maybe for the Zionist/Arab hand in hand, the hatred is authentic but you can tell me that the conspiracy made them believe in it so much, and I tell you it can't be, but neither of us has the tangible proof and it's a tie.

Flat Earth General / Re: Google
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:56:32 AM »
Those travelling huge distances (such as round the world yachtsmen) would either use many maps or an electronic system.

No one navigates using a school map.  I suspect (and hope) you know this and are just pretending to be dumb for the audience.

And these "many" maps - are they flat? And after all, we're not just talking about yachtsmen. Many people use road maps, and armies around the world train with supposedly inaccurate (i.e. flat) maps. In any event, you haven't answered my question. If flat maps are considered to be inaccurate by RE'ers (as you claim), why are they used in schools, navigation, etc etc?

The inaccuracy is always taken into consideration when navigating.
Actually the main marketing point that big Map publishers like the US Geological Survey uses is that they publish maps with high resolution of accuracy, which means that they're much more less inaccurate than the other maps.
Inaccuracy of flat maps have always been taken into consideration because it's easier to draw sailing lines on a flat piece of paper than on the acutal representation of Earth which is a globe.

Also, can you develop the underlined sentenece?

   This is more valid today than of days past.  The Earth is becoming known and understood in a deeper sense.  From the great library of Alaxandrea, to the library of the city we live in Knowledge is born and incased in the Iron shelfs of life.

I also would like to add a point.
Let's assume that we are close-minded to the point that we can't accept that One raindrop + One raindrop =  One raindrop (Even if it's actually two raindrops blended into a bigger raindrop), let's assume that.
How does that make the Round Earth theory false?

This is the same thing that happens with conpirationists in general.
They bring little details (that have no connection at all) and try to show it as a logical series of arguments.

That we refuse to accept this pseudo-equation of "oneness" plus the Island's volcano smoke doesn't equal One False Round Earth theory, it just equals a pseudo-equation of "oneness" plus Island's Volcano smoke.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Of Iran and the Flat Earth Theory
« on: June 17, 2010, 04:55:46 AM »
Just trying to be helpful =-).  He's a new user of a non-native language and I'm just trying to help him understand where the other view is coming from as they have yet to post.  I should have stated as much, apologies.

Devil's advocate here has such a negative connotation. 
Thanks, I rad some of subjects related to the Conspiracy theory.
I have to admit that I feel it is more of heavy imaginative speculations rather than a real theory, since it's based on assumptions without any tangible proof.
And I feel that REers and FEers are facing the same dilemma that say Atheists and Theists are facing.
We're not speaking the same language nor following the same stucture of reasoning.
The same outstanding arguments of one side are rediculous bullshit to the others.
One way to transcend this problem is to assume good faith, but, sadly, each side is trying to demean the other side.
Even mysel, I must admit, I thought to myself :" Those morons can't be serious." Well obviously you are serious but nonetheless you seem to be more intellectual and clever than I am.

Another sad thing, FEers seem to not have their shit together.
Raver made the authentic effort to create marvellous subjetcs and yet the responses vary between ignorance and effortless answers.

Anyway, I was raised by conspiracy believers and it was a pain in the ass to live with paranoid people.
A conspiracy that big is just impossible and the only people insanely organized and disciplined enough are third reich Nazis and pre-Hiroshima Japanese and look at how things ended for both of them.

Raver or Trig, I can't remember well, spoke of the impossibility to make middle east countries and Israel agree on something and he's absolutely right. There is no way on earth (whether it's flat or round) to put an arab and a Zionist jew on the same mission.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« on: June 16, 2010, 10:41:04 AM »

It is a mutual relationship. The birds get their fix, and we get their strength. It works both ways. Do you have any evidence they would not be able to tolerate it? With modern day genetic engineering and selective breeding, it is very plausible. As for
That would be overriding their instinct to stay away from extremely loud, gigantic metal things in the sky that could likely kill them.

You're talking as if we all studied Genetic Engineering and Selective Breeding.
The most up to date selective breeding field is in food and agriculture, breeding cows to the point that their meat is very delicious and their milk is very quenching. And even having a cow producing a little bit more of milk is kind of pain in the ass, let alone creating super-muscled birds that can lift a plane up in the air and then fly with it.

The very idea of this is just amazingly impossible.
The number of the super empowered birds needed to lift a plane multiplied by the number of flights is just way too expensive for a company like Air Sudan to afford.

The Lounge / Re: Hello
« on: June 16, 2010, 09:55:47 AM »
Toilet Duck, in my opinion, is an excellent product when used in hard water areas.
Toilet duck appears to remove limescale much more effectively than bleach. It is also a much better drink.
What Bleach loses on focused efficiency, it gaines it on polyvalency.

This product makes an excellent substitute for after dinner mints.  
I must admit that this is true, although you won't dislike some cold-ice bleach with raspberry juice.

Welcome, HB! I don't believe the Earth is flat, just FYI. What's your first language?

Neither do I, and I couldn't find any valid argument during my reading of this forum.
I must have my mind wrecked by Science, damn this conspiracy!

My frist language is arabic, although I lived in France for almost my whole life.

I really think they should start getting more laid.
All this stress is harmful.

Evening, what are your feelings on the benefits of domestos.
It is to Bleach what jQuery is to JavaScript.
And also Hullo back, sorry I didn't see your first message.

Thank you for your reception and I really insist that people in Nairobi get laid as soon as possible.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Of Iran and the Flat Earth Theory
« on: June 16, 2010, 07:20:56 AM »
Theoretically, the conspiracy is stealing money from several governments including the US by falsifying their space program.  The conspiracy isn't the government but members of the conspiracy may be a part of the US government as well as other governments.
Ah okay, I understand better.
I'm new to this kind of conspiracy theory, since where I come from we're told that the US Goverment is the one conspiring on the world.

I must admit that this "theory" is a bit too complicated to be possible.

Anyway, now I have some questions (You can either answer me here or guide me to a more appropriate thread):
- NASA, EADS (European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company), CNSA (China National Space Administration), RFSA (Russian Federal Space Agency), CNES (French Space Agency), JAXA (Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency) but also: Royal Caribbean International, Croisières de France, Hapag-Lloyd Cruises, Thuraya (Emirati Satellite phone provider) all of those companies and thousands more are members of a conspiracy aiming to suck up tax payers' money?
Since all of their activities are based upon the earth being round and everything.

And even if they use other ways to provide their services, why and how do they cover it?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Of Iran and the Flat Earth Theory
« on: June 16, 2010, 05:48:13 AM »
Yet nobody has shown the feasability of a conspiracy. (See my other topics for what I mean)
Absolutely, and I really don't see any motive for this one.
We're talking about the same country that has a national program seeking to descredit 9/11 and the moon landing but doesn't use a serious opportunity to descredit the very basis of all the so-called lies. (Looking forward to that)

The conspiracy consist not just the US government.  Their motives also likely don't coincide with the government as they are siphoning money from them.
I didn't really understand the "Their motives also likely don't coincide with the government as they are siphoning" part.
I don't even know what siphoning mean.

Flat Earth Debate / Of Iran and the Flat Earth Theory
« on: June 16, 2010, 05:03:22 AM »
Since scientific proof isn’t something that FEarthers rely on, I’m gonna go ahead and use the same pseudo logical reasoning they love.

Iran is a muslim fundamentalist country. Iranian people have more faith in the coran than any they have in any other book.
Now the Coran argues those who doubt his power by saying: How I managed to flatten the earth.
Meaning how powerful was he by flattening the earth.

Over centuries, the explanation to this verse was as simple as it is written.
God is powerful, He flattened the earth.
And over those centuries claiming that verses had other meanings, was complete heresy and punished by death (awful death) since it was Allah’s word and such powerful entities don’t use metaphors.
Then by the arrival of science, fundamentalists were facing some serious threat and they began to loosen up by inventing some fucked up metaphorical meanings to the Coran.

The educational system in Iran teaches kids that the earth is round and that the verse meant that how Allah is such powerful that made the illusion to humans that the earth is flat when in fact it  is round.

In 2009, with the help of Russia, Iran was able to launch its first satellite named Omid (Hope in Persian) from its homeland.
Omid is a telecommunication satellite (at least as they claim) and is orbiting around the earth with the following coordinates:
Inclination   55.5°
Apoapsis   383.8 km
Periapsis   252.7 km
Orbital period   90.7 min

The following day of its launch the NASA, reluctantly, confirmed the mission’s success and a storm raged between American anlysists over the seriousness of this potential threat.

Don’t you think that the USA’s enemy would take pictures proving that the earth is flat and that Allah’s word was literally right and shove it up the Occident’s ass other than spending shit loads of money maintaining a ridiculous 27 kilograms cube in outer space?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: How Evolution Proves a Flat Earth
« on: June 15, 2010, 11:42:12 AM »
I couldn't read all the answers, since they drifted away from the main subject and are mainly insults thrown between the two sides, I take the risk of being an idiot by assuming that the subject now is about whether planes are pulled by birds or not.

First of all, I work close to an airoport therefore I can see planes clearly while landing and they sure aren't pulled by birds.
Second, I am going to make the foolish assumption that most of flat-earthers, round-earthers and other titshaped-earthers in here had the chance to be on a plane and they sure felt that when a plane takes off, it does it in a mechanical speed due to a  precise continuous rotation (and no living thing can do it with that precision).
Also the tingling in your balls when gaining altitude is a response to gravity escape.

The Lounge / Re: Hello
« on: June 15, 2010, 11:00:35 AM »
Welcome to the FES.
Thank you and welcome to you as well.

What is your opinion of Toilet Duck?

I get that question a lot.
Well with all due respect to Henkel, Toilet Duck (or as referred to in my country: Canard WC) is a piece of shit product that people should stop buying.
Despite its anal friendly neck, it isn't bleachy enough to make toilets all shiny and dump inviting.

Bleach is the real deal, my friends. Bleach is the real deal.

The Lounge / Hello
« on: June 15, 2010, 10:23:48 AM »
I didn't know the existence of your Society untill few hours earlier and I'm a bit surprised that there are still people believing that the earth is flat in 2010.
Anyway, living in country among a minority that lives in a constant fear of having its ass kicked by an agressive stubborn majority, I'm not here to make your life more difficult. I just want to read some of your arguments
Also English isn't my native language so sorry in advance and you don't have to rub my face in it.

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