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Here is a flat earth documentary... It pretty much covers areas which comprehensibly validate the earth's flatness..

Jingle and Jangle give it two flat thumbs up...

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Round Earth Molten Core (We Are Not Melting)
« on: November 25, 2014, 07:19:17 AM »


there's a guy, an expert, he buries boxes full of TNT in the middle of some desert, about ten feet deep.
then he detonates it.

then, and here's the clever part, he listens for echos, with a convoluted stethoscope, and has thus determined much and more about the 'earths core'.

science, it's mostly really stupid.

The density of lava compared to water exceeds by only a factor of three...  However, the viscosity of lava comes to about 89 Pa, exceeding the viscosity of water by a factor of 100,000...  Considering this fact, any stethoscope experiment proves to be inaccurate... The sound would bounce off differently every single time...  You need a liquid with a very low viscosity like alcohol or water for ultra penetration of sound waves...

Something to ponder over...

What sinks and rises only depends on density not viscosity...  It would just take a longer period of time for something to sink...  And the alleged methane environment of early earth seemingly complicates the issue by several more degrees, pointing out the actual fact that methane molecules cool things down slower due to their lower kinetic momentum than standard air. (things cool down because air molecules make contact with objects and absorb thermal energy then flee away)

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Round Earth Molten Core (We Are Not Melting)
« on: November 25, 2014, 07:15:13 AM »
Just as an FYI, the round earth inner core is believed to be solid, not molten.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_core

However, everything would have to sink down and the mantle would need to be solid as well...

Also...

Tomato soup and skin flotation does not serve as a suitable example since the skin possesses a different composition than the soup itself...  The skin already possesses a lower density...

Volcanoes only stop erupting because the magma hardens and sinks to the bottom...  The hole becomes clogged over time...

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Flat Earth General / The Round Earth Molten Core (We Are Not Melting)
« on: November 24, 2014, 05:42:17 PM »
The temperature of the mantle of the earth comes to about 1200 degrees Celsius...  With this in mind, observe how the sun temperature figures to about 5700 degrees Celsius...  The sun's distance from the earth, approximated to amount to over a 92 million miles, reminds me of how far the sun's radiant heat travels in RE belief...  Even though a vacuum exists in space (according to RE'ers), the heat reaches earth from a vast distance away...

I have seen the composition of the earth's crust, about how it consists of feldspar and quartz as its primary compounds and a few other metals in high concentration...  A lot more heat should actually be reaching the surface... Considering the fact of how Quartz and all metals have sufficient thermal conductivity, the large amount of radiant energy in the planet's core should still be felt...

Just take note of the thin crust of the oceans at 3 to 5 miles and 25 miles for landmasses...  The inner diameter of the earth comes to about 7,918 miles in comparison...  quartz and feldspar do not insulate heat... They conduct...  So, where does the heat exist???

With this in mind, I need to present a quartz crystal window with a giant bonfire in front of it... Please note, you will actually feel the heat...  See the crust in the same way... Know that the temperature of lava exceeds greatly that of a bonfire...  Also, note that the multiple elements that compose the crust possess superior or inferior thermal conductivity properties...

Earth's temperature only exists with an ancient flat earth model...  FE holds feasibility...  RE gets burned severely...

I want to even address planetary formation RE theory...

Take into consideration that objects sink as they solidify in their molten substances of origin...  The opposite reveals itself in water, where ice floats on the top...  This tendency comes from hydrogen bonds forming more apparently and molecules being more widely distributed from molecular polar orientation... 

If the planet coalesced from a molten state and all the crust gradually solidified to form plates, one needed to deny the existence of density changes as compounds go through phases...  The condensed form of molten rock always sinks to the bottom, never floats...  The core, in other words, needed a composition of just solid matter... No volcanoes should be possible...  The crust should be scores thicker...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: A Question you can't answer
« on: November 22, 2014, 10:05:16 AM »




This is the sort of diagrammatic image of a volcano that that flat earthers will have a problem with.  How can they explain the mechanics of the molten, spherical outer core of the earth which consists largely of liquid iron, and which produces the earth's magnetic field as it rotates?  What does the core of their flat earth look like, and how are volcanoes formed on a flat earth?

I await an explanatory flat earth diagram.

The problem with that tectonic plate theory diagram lies in the fact that granite and bedrock cannot bend upward...  They only crumble when placed under stress... One would just possess a large pile of rocks not a solid mountain...  Also, a great deal more sink holes just around the mountain would appear...

I need to note as well that granites and bedrock after going through melting harden into an entirely different looking rock...  The appearance possesses no similarity to anything in nature...

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All refraction results in severe deformity... Indeed, the Novaya Zemaya (if I have it correct) which exists in the polar regions does show how the sun deforms as well...

However, note this important point...

Some pictures taken from a long distance away possess absolutely no deformities whatsoever, thus refraction holds no applicability...  The image needs to possess severe blurring in order to validate superior mirage phenomenon... Even then, they raise only a few arc seconds above the horizon...  Understand the conditions where these phenomena occur...  Outside of the polar regions, looming distortion manifest very minutely...

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Flat Earth General / Re: Who Is The Smartest Flat Earther ?
« on: November 20, 2014, 03:38:26 PM »
Nammu is the smartest flat earther... This person came through here a few times...

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Hmmmm...  Check out this article...  Radio Frequencies of high concentration possess the ability to ionize sufficiently...
http://www.google.com/patents/US8836219

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As far as the red sunlight goes, it still qualifies as atmospheric refraction...  Of course, it would deal more with (in modern physics) the movement of air through differential pressure of the vacuum of space and earth's atmosphere... 

Temperature changes the density of air molecules more or less in the same way... The more energy from heat the further apart they are...  The terms should be interchangeable...

At least the radio frequency beam setup with incredibly short wavelengths provides a cheaper, yet more effective solution...  That is why I mentioned it...  Just increase amperage and voltage to ensure electron arrival at target...  (more electron pressure, more Coulombs of electron buggers)...

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For the cube that fluoresces in the presence of a radio frequency ray beam, just use transparent epoxy with bubbles of helium or neon (very cheap)... You can also use a thin walled glass cube with the gas on the inside...  A thin line should be visible of excited gas ions...

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Hey fellow FE'ers... I imagine an experiment involving infrared lasers being an effective form of determining the exact planar nature of the earth... 

1.  I take a pillar lined up with the ground at exactly 90 degrees using a plumb line protractor 5 feet in length...

      - On that very pillar, a infrared or red laser tube is lined up precisely with ideally only .003 degrees of deviation...  (might need a microscope)

2.  After that, I assemble some transparent epoxy mixed with a very small amount of very fine aluminum powder and form it into a 5 in. x 5 in. 5 in. cube using a latex candle mold... 

3.  Traveling a mile or so, I place that cube opposite the laser on a pillar similarly aligned to the earth...  (The beach presents a wonderful idea)....


Why the red laser?  Red light at 650 nm being at such a long wavelength ignores refraction... Observe the red light from the sun which hits your eyes at sunset...  The Cube perfectly shows the laser as a holographic red line... This line gets compared to another thin line on the cube's surface (parallel to the top and bottom edges of the front face (microscope aligned ;) )  With that, one determines the direction of curvation...  The results should be consistent with plumb line experiments at the Tamarack mines...

An even better idea, is to use a type of radio frequency beam...  This cheap alternative involves the use of a substrate which fluoresces in the cube from radio wave excitation.  (no possibility of atmospheric refraction there especially at 3kV and a very low hertz)  ( i need to remember what exact substrate, I saw it somewhere before)..

Glass would give even additional transparency...  What do you think... Be free to perform this experiment yourselves...  Post results... Might take me a while though...  :(


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« on: November 17, 2014, 10:54:53 AM »
It is something beyond gravity... Gravity by itself cannot explain how all the air still remains on the planet... It is an intelligent force is what I am saying...  A conscious living force that allows air to stay on the planet...  It is beyond just explanations of air pressure...
You have evidence of this? formulas? scientific data? when people put into question established theories like gravity or a round earth they need to be able to bak it up with credible evidence, something that has yet to be seen on this forum when trying to explain a flat earth or the absence of gravity.

By the laws of diffusion, everyone knows that substances, immersed in liquids as well as gases, tend to move from areas of high concentration to low concentration...  The sugar in a glass of water, not being held down by gravity, moves upward in solution because the kinetic energy of diffusion possesses a greater energy than aforementioned physical force...

Even Renuzit spray particles move upward by the forces of just diffusion...  The upward movement possesses no limit...


The statement of escape velocities needing to be met for leaving the atmosphere hold no credibility even in the scientific community...  Even a rocket that travels at 1 mph upward (if it possessed sufficient fuel) breaches into the upper layers of the atmosphere...  Rockets are reputed to only ascend upward at 1,400 mph for fuel efficiency... 

A simple oxygen molecule travels at about 1000 miles per hour at room temperature, however with intense heat from the thermosphere the kinetic energy should be far greater than even a space shuttle launching setup...  Remember, a ballistic object possesses the ability to leave at any speed... 

The definition of escape velocity I will present from Wikipedia...  Herein lies the evidence...

 
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A rocket moving out of a gravity well does not actually need to attain escape velocity to do so, but could achieve the same result at any speed with a suitable mode of propulsion and sufficient fuel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escape_velocity

By knowing this and not denying, no one escapes the inevitable conclusion that a near complete vacuum in space, according to simple physical observations from experiments performed even in your home, that the atmosphere should have been ripped off long ago...

The vacuum by just physics alone, if the universe had been governed only by such principles, has a greater potential kinetic energy from areas of high to low pressure than gravity by several orders of magnitude... 

Gravity creating air pressure alone stands as a contrived, weak notion which denies and scoffs at the mystery of the atmosphere...  Every factor needs observation...  Expansion of your visualization scope stands as my recommendation for you...

This situation poses an undeniable miracle...  Regards...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« on: November 17, 2014, 10:16:49 AM »
It is something beyond gravity... Gravity by itself cannot explain how all the air still remains on the planet... It is an intelligent force is what I am saying...  A conscious living force that allows air to stay on the planet...  It is beyond just explanations of air pressure...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« on: November 17, 2014, 06:24:33 AM »
Based on the natural laws of science, we know that the thermosphere represents the cut-off point from the influence of gravitational forces...  The space station actually levitates in this portion of the atmosphere in a stable orbit... All of this information continually repeated ad nauseum by the scientific establishment...

I have calculated the distance of the thermosphere from the Earth's surface to be 124.274 miles...

Why this info? 

I can determine the intensity of the influence of gravity on all objects by means of total volume of matter... Since gravity pulls straight down on objects and not to the left or right, I form a circle of 2 feet in diameter and draw it down 124.274 miles in the earth's crust... This column represents the standard area of influence on a standing man...

Once again, gravity always did pull straight down and never outward...

 I can determine the overall volume by the formula (pi)(r^2)(h)... Where pi is 3.14... r is the radius of this circle which is 1... h is the height where 124.274 miles equals 656,167 feet...

The end result comes to about 2,060,364 feet^3...

Take the same column with a mountain range... The Himalayas for example cover a broad span of northern India...  So, I will just take 124.274 miles into account towards the center of the Himalayas' mass as well...

Wait...!!! you should see that the divergence toward the center should have the same strength as the earth itself...  Everyone knows the distance to the thermosphere (this represents the maximum area of influence of gravity)... Why can we not walk up a mountain with a sensation that we are perpendicular with the plane of transverse?  Just like how cartoons ascend up walls?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« on: November 17, 2014, 05:48:50 AM »
Any topic started by someone who seriously believes in supernatural entities (gods, angels, devils) or paranormal phenomena (reincarnation, ghosts, invisibility) in all probability should be ignored.

People with such bizarre beliefs are often ill-equipped to deal with the concepts of 21st-century science, but instead prefer the myths expounded in a book cobbled together more than 2,000 years ago, by a disparate group of poorly-educated desert nomads, over a period of 400 years.

The fact of a person actually believing that it's air pressure which holds a motor vehicle to the road, and that gravity is affected by air pressure proves the point more than clearly.

Individuals, which adore the concept of the complexities of the universe representing a mindless, chaotic series of just lottery occurrences, stand as the real obstacle to inner exploration...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« on: November 17, 2014, 05:46:10 AM »
The Schiellion experiment and the divergence of the plumb line being only 8 arc seconds (8/3600 of a degree) indicates the influence of a slight breeze or sunlight on one side of the wire...  The wire would certainly bend in either direction depending of the time of day...  We know this from metals ability to expand in heat and contract in cold...

  Also, magnetic attraction of ore inside of the mountain could also be an explanation...  Trace amounts of iron create this effect...

Remember the so-called landing of that recent probe on a comet?  A gravitational pull was actually necessary for the project to be successful...  So, the mountain being about the same size as a comet should create a divergence of at least three degrees...  From what I understand, those figures were the original estimation...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« on: November 16, 2014, 05:48:43 PM »
you denied how vacuums have a greater pulling power than gravity... Your statement that gravity is a weak force constitutes a total divergence from the observable facts...  Gravity cannot fight against a universal vacuum and does not have the strength to create a vacuum by itself...

And that name of the experiment carries a certain meaning on the inside of it.... It most certainly is very suspiciously showing some agenda of a double intent...

She'll Lion?
Shield Lion?  Looks like an agenda...

A supposed vacuum in space cannot be denied and it cannot be denied that I was touching on air pressure already...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Gravity = Air Pressure
« on: November 16, 2014, 04:38:34 PM »
I have to disagree about how air pressure validates the existence of gravity...  Even science reveals how gases possess no gravitational pull of themselves...

I remember an experiment that sandokhan presented to the members of the forum...  Matter supposedly creates gravitational forces according to some "predictable formula." However...

When one takes a plumb-line and places it next to the Himalayan mountains there is no tilting of any kind...  This fact proves gravity holds no relation to matter in the first place...

A Eye-Opening Fact...

If the universe was a vacuum, no air would remain on the entire earth... It is important to note that the pulling force of a complete vacuum always defeats gravity...

1.This applies to airplane wing shape where a partial vacuum is created behind the top portion of the wings creating lift...

2.Also, look at vacuum pressure of your mouth through a straw or your vacuum cleaner...  Gravity cannot defeat vacuums even slightly... 

The universal theory of formation and stability cannot be applied in reality... Many more holes than adhesive...  Present physics is 700 trillion buckets behind of information hydration...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Antarctic
« on: November 15, 2014, 04:28:55 PM »
By using a suit of neoprene lined with large quantities of fiberglass/carbon strips, heat production from electricity occurs... With the right power cell and exterior thermal coverings, you, with the right heart, can venture to the taverns of Siduri...  Full visor protection I recommend as well with a breathing apparatus of heated coils for favorable air...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Antarctic
« on: November 15, 2014, 04:05:26 PM »
After delving into the ancient texts, I venture into the task of answering your question... At the edge of the earth, lies a series of Bar Taverns...  They usually bring the newly born servants of the Universal Soul to this area for a mind opening time of initiation and refreshing entertainment...  They usually replace intruders of the deleterious sort with doppelgangers  ???...  So...  The crossing of the Ice Rim on the outside edges holds an unsavory penalty...

Check out this documentation of the existence of paranormal entities and consciousness...  However, I like to think that a deity exists beyond the scope of just religions, which historically represent imperfection of doctrine and acts...  You need a force that operates outside the proverbial box, but stands unchanging...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01/27/a-real-life-demon-possession-is-being-reported-in-indiana-the-details-are-almost-too-horrifying-to-believe/

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In the Tamarack Mines an experiments was performed...  Basically, A plumbline was suspended from two holes hundreds of feet deep and a mile apart...  Fortunately, betwixt both of the bottoms of these holes existed a connecting tunnel which permitted measurement...

  Instead of converging together more at the bottom than the top (what an individual would expect on a round earth), a divergence of about 8 inches was observed...

Gravitational attraction of the side walls was ruled out...

Magnetic field influence proved to not provide the answer as well... (They used brass wire and a 50lb. weight suspended in oil)

Winds as well inside of the tunnels provided no explanation as to the cause (they sealed the entrances)

https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/hollow/tamarack.htm

The guy in this website discusses the aspects of centripetal force as a possible explanation...  However, I possess keen observations on how centrifugal divergences give very small effects on hanging objects: how much more so centripetal force a tiny attraction and pivot to the center...  It would not create such a great change in RET...

He had to note how centrifugal forces, being of a much greater potential, only give tiny readings on even the Foucult pendulum (and that was a very small pendulum... not at all 50 lbs.)  In addition, the centripetal change, if it really existed, would have to produce a uniform result across both plumblines.  A result which still allows one to determine the shape of the earth by taking the average measurement...

This organization even utilized a rectilineator which measured the concave parabolic shape of the planet... I suggest a slight bowl shape to the earth, their measurements support also the hubcap model with its intense curves...

They really got hyped up about this issue and created a cult (which I do not believe in by the way)...

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I heard that in RET the daylight gets an additional 4 minutes from refraction of the sun...  However, I need to point out that if the sky was blue because of the principles of refraction, the sun would have to be red throughout the day (even at noon)...  And we all know the sky is blue throughout the day... Am I right?

This basic tenet expresses itself in the milk tank experiments performed several decades ago.... It turns out a flashlight shown through a tank of water slightly tainted with soap or milk causes the water to turn blue and the flashlight, as observed from the other side, reddish in color...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Earth is Flat the Sun is not that far away...
« on: October 12, 2014, 05:55:05 AM »
sorry back there... the more exact angle measure that I received was .812 degrees...  I was thinking about a different figure and placed it on the page...  And Rama, I only divided the diameter by two in order to create a horizontal base right degree triangle on the planet that gives me from midpoint, right/left side of the body, and my own eyes an angle which I can multiply by two for the full viewing angle....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Earth is Flat the Sun is not that far away...
« on: October 11, 2014, 08:57:39 AM »
the exact degree measure provided .54 degrees only works on paper... If you take a small triangle with a .54 degree apex angle, and align the mid-line of the triangle with the middle point of the sun,  this degree angle fails to fit the entire sun in its breadth... Each line of the triangle, left and right, has to hit the exact left and right sides of the sun...   So.... the your calculations are exact, however, the calculation has to be what is observed...

The protractor set to about .54 or .5 degrees has to be your visual caliper...  Sadly, this angle does not quite pinch it... (pun intended)...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Earth is Flat the Sun is not that far away...
« on: October 11, 2014, 08:46:23 AM »
Sure... the exact angular diameter of the sun using a solar filter screen or just the moon comes to about 3-4 degrees... I just showed the picture and it did appear to scale enough...

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Flat Earth Debate / The Earth is Flat the Sun is not that far away...
« on: October 11, 2014, 08:12:59 AM »
The standard figures of the sun I discussed before in the adventures of Mr. Blob...  Here is a recap...

Diameter of the sun = 1,391,684 km
Distance of the sun = 149,600,000 km

What I did is performed some trigonometry... Instead of using regular angular diameters taking the highest and lowest points of the sun, I used horizontal angular diameter...  This technique allows Pythagorean trig... U get the same results with alot less sweat...

 All in all, if u draw a line from where u stand to the middle of the sun and then to utmost left side on paper, u get an angle... A terrifyingly small .27 degrees or .266 degrees should be apparent... A .54 degree full viewing angle from left to right should hold the entire body of the sun... (these figures are derived from the above figures, except to get the radius of the sun divide the diameter by 2)

However this is the picture of the sun's angular diameter calculation shown on Wikipedia...



All in all, the angle presented is much larger in nature than explained by science...  It had to be the size of a grain of popcorn in the sky...  Take a protractor yourself and attest to this truth

These major variations alter all gravitational theory because it offsets orbital calculations involving calculus and mass compositions... It destroys the idea of gravity itself.  When u possess these great inaccuracies in science, everything is debunked... post haste...

You can perform the same operation with the moon...  Both moon and sun possess the same angular diameter calculations from earth...  (only 98% deviance should be expected)...

Moon's diameter= 3474.8 km
Distance to the moon = 384,400 km

The degree measure observed in the picture above is about 10 degrees WHOA...  BOOM Shakalaka...

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Get a protractor with a swing arm attachment... Align each leg to point directly at the opposite ends of the sun... Use this angle, and one sees the obvious...

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This evidence, honestly, cannot even be debated...  Solid mathematics beats just conversation and postulation...

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take a protractor and aim at the sun... It is much more than just .54 degrees of a viewing angle from earth...  You did not even try the experiment...

Those who did not understand need to look again and again... 

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Mr. Blob possesses great curiosity... One day, he wished to observe the sun... Magical caliper in hand, he determined that the sun was forming a 3 degree angle from one end of the sun's diameter to another.

The Green Wonder knew from this information he can double check the sun's size...

Forming two right angle triangles with the triangle mid line allowed him to use trigonometry formulas...

Using trig, one has the power with degree measurements and collective height distance to determine the length of the base.  The base being the radius... 

His initial results received, he double checked the establishment's widely accepted values... They say the diameter of the sun is 864,327 miles, the radius 432,114 miles...



Unfortunately, with the distance of the sun being at 92,960,000 miles away and the radius being 432,114 (diameter 864,327 miles), the collective angle aperture for viewing would only be .54 degrees (.27 degrees for one half angle section)...  Look at the difference between 432,114 miles for science and the observed 2,434,243 miles for the radius from earth...  Too big of an error...

Mr. Blob sits in tears... The sun in the sky should be much smaller than told... Much, much closer...  He reaches his fist into the air, lollipop in hand...  A homemade Ti-2000 gives him strength to analyze...  It would only be a tiny little speck in the sky...

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