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Flat Earth General / Re: Perspective of the Sun Makes No Sense
« on: January 06, 2025, 10:51:00 PM »So just skim past the entire thing where I point out the hypocrisy of not wanting to believe evidence that can be and is replicated on a day to day basis with video evidence and go right to the government lies BS. Neverminding the fact that at the time that all the research regarding round earth was done, that the people doing the research are in the exact position you're in now. Back then, the government was the oppressive religious majority. It was actually pretty commonly punished by death if you said anything that even slightly contradicts what the religious authorities said.QuoteBuilding on top of past knowledge is not lazy. It's just how society works.
It is lazy, however, to take information as "knowledge." In library science there used to be a section in the early 0s called methodology (the study of research methods). That is, "how is it that I know what I know?" In religion, this is called epistemology, although that has more to do with philosophical means. I would lay down cash that a majority of students in graduate school do not in fact have even basic knowledge of the core of how their knowledge works.
Trivia is not knowledge. Facts given by a book are not knowledge. Information given by teachers is not knowledge. Truly knowing is a rare and precious thing.
Going back to PEDMAS, "If an equation is written such that different interpretations of PEDMAS gives different results, then the equation was poorly written and should be rewritten to eliminate the ambiguity." Actually, it's quite easy. Even in equations where you had parentheses. So, learning PEDMAS is not knowledge. Knowledge here would be knowing how easy it is to screw up, how to write it so there isn't ambiguity, and understanding when not to use it. Blindly following it, is definitely not knowledge.
People who have past knowledge but do not understand it might as well be replaced by AIs. They wind up pressing buttons. They don't look at what they are scanning on the computer and understand it. When I was working at the library, I began to understand the demographics of our area. I figured out that our town had a great deal of people at the poverty line, a few people who are second homers, homeschool kids, and so on. The other librarians? Scan the books in, scan the books out. Knowledge is being able to use what you have learned. If you just take it for granted, knowledge is worthless.
In order for society to work, it must be built on truth. If, for instance, the government were to lie about the shape of the Earth or the moon landing or elections, what do we have? The beginning of corruption. If they can lie about something like the nature of the Earth, they can lie about practically anything.
(This should go to "why does the government lie to us" but we keep getting these topics sorta mixed)
That's even how the US came to be. A religion backed monarch who decided he was gonna create his own version of the religion with his own rules so he can do what he wants and people were sick of it. Dogmatic religious governments are why the Middle East have been ravaged by non stop war over the past millennia, even tho they all started in the same place at the same time with the same guy. Now there's like 6 or 7 different religions with different beliefs, each with dozens of sects and denominations. How do you even know the one that you follow is right? How do you know you haven't been the one that's been lied to this whole time? Is this the truthful society that you're talking about?
Oh right, blind faith forced on you under threat of eternal misery is why you stick to your religion so fervently. I bet you guys wouldn't be so keen to believe in it if there wasn't a promise of eternal afterlife.
Where's the federal law that commits you to eternal damnation for believing in flat earth or God? Or the rule that says that only if you're devout follower of round earth and science that you'll be promised a life of fortune and happiness?
It's kinda like every major religion is based off blindly following their deity(ies) with no proof whatsoever in exchange for an eternal reward and that's really the only reason to believe in one, because who would willingly choose to follow a deity who would send you to hell for for something as small as being in love with someone who's the same gender as you.
Realistically tho, it doesn't matter. Everyone should be able to believe in what they want and do what they want as long as they aren't affecting anyone else. My point in droning on like this is to point out the hypocrisy of you saying repeatedly that we are the ones Indoctrinated because we choose to listen verify able information, while in turn believe in all knowing being that requires complete devotion so you don't suffer forever which has no actual evidence (spiritual evidence is complete bs), other than the rules and books that were created by a man. Literally every argument that you use to discredit science can be turned around and used against your religion. The difference between the two of them is that from a young age you are taught to not trust science or the government because it's ran by men and men are inherently wicked and Satan this and that blah blah.
But in my experience a lot of the people I know who think the same way as I do, and I'm sure many of the people in this forum who follow the scientific method would agree, came to the conclusion that religion is bs made up by men to explain the (at the time) unexplainable and eventually grew into a form over government that men change and use to their own wims to exert power over others, usually poor people who have had no education who need some kind of comfort that someone is watching over them and if they work hard enough they'll be rewarded, or if they can pay their way out of it. Ever heard of indulgences or tithes?