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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Society Memes
« on: September 14, 2019, 07:20:35 PM »

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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 14, 2019, 07:18:25 PM »

Curvature and topography are not the same thing.

Sherlock, topographical maps show earthís surface shape derived from ďMean Sea LevelĒ (a horizontal plane) and there is no damn curve.

Where are those curvature charts that prove curvature over the USA?  Shut me down with facts!



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Flat Earth General / Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« on: September 14, 2019, 07:09:46 PM »
No, there was no debunking more than 2000 years ago, it's all more programed lies, lies and more lies. That would mean that 2000 years ago the masses believed Earth to be a sphere. You guys have to stop the lies!

And again, Eratosthenes did not prove Earth was a sphere. He only made a caculation. And in reality, he's wrong considering refraction. You can't actually get an accurate measurement when refraction exists. This is why you  have to VERIFY CURVATURE, whch no one has done. So even your model sphere is not valid.


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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 14, 2019, 06:34:57 PM »
Are you brain damaged??  How many times does this need to be explained to you??  There are multiple pages, in this thread alone where your conflation of a flat and curved Earth have been explained.  You are mixing the two on purpose, or are so damn ignorant that you don't realize your own mistake but still have the absurdity to challenge us because you decided to skip geography in primary school???
I'm under the assumption that he is indeed mixing the two on purpose, because he is a troll.

Me, a Flat Earther, on a Flat Earth Forum, a Troll? Hahahaha


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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 14, 2019, 06:31:10 PM »
Letís have another serious discussion about what is most important, CURVATURE.

Since you seemingly have never seen anything spherical before, here's a visual primer for you:



Maybe you should try getting some real data proving the alleged curve over the USA. Current maps with real data show no curve, only elevation.

REAL DATA PLEASE!


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Flat Earth General / Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« on: September 14, 2019, 06:03:06 PM »
Still waiting for the records of such a a major event that happend more than 2000 years ago.

Or is it just a bunch of crap?

Here's one of many:

Aristotle (384Ė322 BC) was Plato's prize student and "the mind of the school".[52] Aristotle observed "there are stars seen in Egypt and [...] Cyprus which are not seen in the northerly regions." Since this could only happen on a curved surface, he too believed Earth was a sphere "of no great size, for otherwise the effect of so slight a change of place would not be quickly apparent." (De caelo, 298a2Ė10)

From his works entitled, "On the Heavens", approx., 350 BCE. In which, he waxes quite extensively about his observations regarding a spherical earth. (In case you're struggling with how calendars work too, that's about 2369 years ago.)

You fail again. Plato's prize student and "the mind of the school" does not debunk a Flat Earth. and saying "Since this could only happen on a curved surface" is really lame. Is this the best you can do on sudh an issue, really? Hahahaha

 Still waiting for the records of a major debunking (event) of the Flat Earth that happend more than 2000 years ago.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« on: September 14, 2019, 05:47:54 PM »
Still waiting for the records of such a a major event that happend more than 2000 years ago.

Or is it just a bunch of crap?

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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 14, 2019, 04:16:22 PM »
Letís have another serious discussion about what is most important, CURVATURE.

To the opposition here, please tell the readers here, why you nor anyone else can prove the curvature bulge over the center of USA? A near 200 mile high curvature bulge over the USA would indeed be measurable by todayís technology. In fact, there would be established curvature charts of all landmass and showing how they relate to Eratosthenes measurements and these charts would be used to shut down a Flat Earth argument. But, NO, NO, NO.
Please tell the readers why.

Arguments that pertain to Sunrises and Sunset and all other lame arguments do not apply here because it does not prove what you see proves the USA has the miles of curvature bulge over center as dictated by a 3959 mile radius earth. Prove Earthís radius today and show how it relates to curvature charts.



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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 14, 2019, 03:25:35 PM »
Did you know the opposition cannot provide proof of curvature bulge over the center of the USA?  Thatís right, they canít yet, but can only claim there is. After all these decades they still are incapable. Why? Donít they have any real evidence instead of resorting to maps and flight plans?

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Flat Earth General / Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« on: September 14, 2019, 03:15:24 PM »
I am under no obligation to go into detail on all the copy-pasta that you post.

A sure sign of rudeness toward this forum and your readers.

I did read your reference, all 24 pages of it.

Furthermore, if you do not read what is being presented to you, then WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?

The FES is likewise under no obligation to put up with your constant spamming, where you post a certain reference time and time again, ignoring the fact that you were debunked right from the beginning.

You are telling everyone that you just can't bothered, your precious little universe would be shattered by the references you refuse to read.

To be fair flat earth was debunked more than 2000 years ago and here you are.

Prove flat Earth was debunked more than 2000 years ago. What were the arguments and who was invovled and what was the date and who recorded the event? The words of the opposition donít carry any weight.

You really don't need someone else to prove it. You can prove it to yourself because a wonderful day is approaching. All you need to do is travel to Ushuaia, Argentina for December 21st(give or take a few days) and watch the Sun rise in the SOUTHEAST and set in the SOUTHWEST some 19 hours later. Enjoy the local cuisine and beautiful landscape in the mean time.

That's not the issue.

The opposition shouldn's make such a bold statement without (proof) records of a major event more than 2000 years ago. Their words donít carry any weight.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« on: September 14, 2019, 03:10:17 PM »
I am under no obligation to go into detail on all the copy-pasta that you post.

A sure sign of rudeness toward this forum and your readers.

I did read your reference, all 24 pages of it.

Furthermore, if you do not read what is being presented to you, then WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?

The FES is likewise under no obligation to put up with your constant spamming, where you post a certain reference time and time again, ignoring the fact that you were debunked right from the beginning.

You are telling everyone that you just can't bothered, your precious little universe would be shattered by the references you refuse to read.

To be fair flat earth was debunked more than 2000 years ago and here you are.

Prove flat Earth was debunked more than 2000 years ago. What were the arguments and who was invovled and what was the date and who recorded the event? The words of the opposition donít carry any weight.

"The earliest documented mention of the spherical Earth concept dates from around the 5th century BC, when it was mentioned by ancient Greek philosophers.[1][2] It remained a matter of speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the Earth as a physical fact and calculated the Earth's circumference. The paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.[3][4][5][6] A practical demonstration of Earth's sphericity was achieved by Ferdinand Magellan and Juan SebastiŠn Elcano's circumnavigation (1519Ė1522).[7]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

Please post something related to the subject matter.

Here is is again. Prove flat Earth was debunked more than 2000 years ago. What were the arguments and who was invovled and what was the date and who recorded the event? The words of the opposition donít carry any weight.

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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 14, 2019, 02:50:30 PM »
The Gleasonís Map is ďScientifically and Practically Correct.Ē The following video proves this with verifying distance from one location to another and also verifies longitude and latitude. The video includes details on how to measure longitude, latitude and distance correctly according to the Gleasonís map.

The opposition have a big problem with our map being correct and they want it to be known as incorrect.  So, donít believe what the professional deniers say. It is their job to lie and discredit us and the Gleasonís map in any way they can.



That's great news for you. Can you now tell us the distance from SF to Boston using this method?

Why?

Because that was asked to you several times and you never answered the question?

Why was it asked?

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Flat Earth General / Re: The RE Community Has a New Enemy
« on: September 14, 2019, 02:46:56 PM »
I am under no obligation to go into detail on all the copy-pasta that you post.

A sure sign of rudeness toward this forum and your readers.

I did read your reference, all 24 pages of it.

Furthermore, if you do not read what is being presented to you, then WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?

The FES is likewise under no obligation to put up with your constant spamming, where you post a certain reference time and time again, ignoring the fact that you were debunked right from the beginning.

You are telling everyone that you just can't bothered, your precious little universe would be shattered by the references you refuse to read.

To be fair flat earth was debunked more than 2000 years ago and here you are.

Prove flat Earth was debunked more than 2000 years ago. What were the arguments and who was invovled and what was the date and who recorded the event? The words of the opposition donít carry any weight.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What else do Flat-Earthers believe?
« on: September 14, 2019, 02:39:09 PM »
This picture of a Flat Earth horizon is exactly how a Flat Earth horizon should look. If Earth's horizon curved, then it should look curved and not like this.



At only 105,000 feet and that narrow of a lens view, that's exactly how a globe earth would look.

You still haven't answered my question. How do you know there's an infinite plane hiding in the darkness if you can't see it?

Prove that's exactly how it should look (for a sphere) and a narrow lens used. The words of the opposition donít carry any weight.

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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 14, 2019, 02:35:53 PM »
The Gleasonís Map is ďScientifically and Practically Correct.Ē The following video proves this with verifying distance from one location to another and also verifies longitude and latitude. The video includes details on how to measure longitude, latitude and distance correctly according to the Gleasonís map.

The opposition have a big problem with our map being correct and they want it to be known as incorrect.  So, donít believe what the professional deniers say. It is their job to lie and discredit us and the Gleasonís map in any way they can.



That's great news for you. Can you now tell us the distance from SF to Boston using this method?

Why?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What else do Flat-Earthers believe?
« on: September 14, 2019, 02:15:27 PM »
This picture of a Flat Earth horizon is exactly how a Flat Earth horizon should look. If Earth's horizon curved, then it should look curved and not like this.



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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 14, 2019, 02:00:27 PM »
The Gleasonís Map is ďScientifically and Practically Correct.Ē The following video proves this with verifying distance from one location to another and also verifies longitude and latitude. The video includes details on how to measure longitude, latitude and distance correctly according to the Gleasonís map.

The opposition have a big problem with our map being correct and they want it to be known as incorrect.  So, donít believe what the professional deniers say. It is their job to lie and discredit us and the Gleasonís map in any way they can.


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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Question addressed to the admin/mods
« on: September 14, 2019, 01:34:15 PM »
If you have a problem with Parsifal, take it up with him, on his forum. That is not our forum.

The forum in question is not a "Flat Earth Society" forum?

It's a different forum much like Coke and Pepsi are different but both are colas.

Another professional hack in for defense. 

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Question addressed to the admin/mods
« on: September 14, 2019, 01:28:09 PM »
If you want you can go make a "Flat Earth Society" forum. They are their own forum, we don't have any say in how they run it.


So, there is no Official "Flat Earth Society" forum?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Question addressed to the admin/mods
« on: September 14, 2019, 12:54:34 PM »
If you have a problem with Parsifal, take it up with him, on his forum. That is not our forum.

The forum in question is not a "Flat Earth Society" forum?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What else do Flat-Earthers believe?
« on: September 14, 2019, 11:58:58 AM »
Hi Space Cowgirl,

Listen up, so if you're not going to provide the evidence which I have been asking for to state your case for the earth being flat, I will specify what you are to bring to the table so you can do so.

IF the earth is flat, go to the edge of it please and take a selection of pictures and videos. Please ensure you bring along a normal person, whoops I mean a member of the Round Earth Brigade so as to verify what you are presenting as your evidence.

I look forward to seeing the pictures and videos along with the associated affidavits to add credibility to your findings.

Look out your window.

We cannot take a picture of your fairy tale. There is no Edge. You have been programed to believe there is an edge and spread the fairy tale. You have also been programed to believe in curvature and spread the same lie. Youíre not doing very well at proving either.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What else do Flat-Earthers believe?
« on: September 14, 2019, 11:46:44 AM »
There is no edge because the earth is an infinite flat plane.

If that were the case wouldn't a photo like this:



Show a plane extending indefinitely into the distance?  An infinite plane viewed at any altitude would be visible infinitely into the distance; you wouldn't see any black sky, the horizon would retreat until it was totally out of view and the plane would be the only thing visible. 

This image was provided by another flat earther, by the way.  It was Shifter, if that matters.

Why should it show the infinite plane when there is no light to be seen beyond our boundary?

Remember, our sun is close and does not light up all of the surface at the same time. The darkens you see is night over another part of the Plane. You cannot take a picture of something if light is not present.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Question addressed to the admin/mods
« on: September 14, 2019, 11:25:50 AM »
But he is.

I explained earlier what happened:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83165.msg2203879#msg2203879

And he was at it again, later in the day:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=83165.msg2203990#msg2203990

Spamming is against the rules: he is using the very same message he used before, months/weeks, to start another argument with, yet again.

This is what I was told to do in case of spamming:


If he's spamming the same message over and over then by all means, report the incident.

If he's spamming then that's against the rules.

Now, if you like rabinoz, you go ahead and debate FET with him, I have nothing against that. Since we the FE have to do it, then you must listen to what we have to say, and what we are saying is: ENOUGH.

He should not be here on this forum, period, since he is sabotaging each and every thread he participates in.

If you don't believe me, ask the other FE.

Sandokhan is right. I often wonder why some RE members here are allowed to get away with their opposition tactics continuously and no one steps in to correct the problem. What I see here is, the RE opposition posts as if this forum is theirs, they rule and their way is to be accepted no matter what. A few follow in the tactics of rabinoz and itís getting worse.

The FES does have a label of ďThe OppositionĒ hanging over their heads and yet allows such things to continue. Which is more important, removing the label or allow the RE opposition to rule here? 

There are other issues too. The FES has another forum and when I first went there I thought the forum was a joke. Would you take the message of a Flat Earth seriously if the administrator over a forum used an avatar like this?



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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 13, 2019, 06:34:35 PM »
Can I first see if you can answer a simple common sense question? I need to know if I would be wasting my time.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=60834.msg2203303#msg2203303

See, this would be a dodge Plat.  Your "question" about a point that has already been thoroughly debunked is already a waste of time.  You can either address my points or ignore them at the risk of seeming even more ridiculous.

Addressing your simpleton's approach to solving the Sydney to Chile flight ignores the actual flight path taken, which is impossible, as I've explained before, if the Earth is a pancake.

I have already answered the flight miles from Sydney to Santiago, Chile. Now answer my question.


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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 13, 2019, 03:49:45 PM »
There is no Globe, Jack!  So it's not possible for it to be Globe projection.
If there is no Globe what is that map a projection of? Read on the map itself:

Read it yourself, "ON THE PROJECTION OF J. S. CHRISTOPHER".

From long before the time of Gerardus Mercator "projection" in cartography has referred to the representation of the Globe onto a flat surface.
Quote from: Plat Terra
As time passed your guys took original established maps of Flat Earther's and made a Globe from that. Gleason corrected it through extortion, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich. It was not correct in Globe form and couldn't be anyway because it's not a damn sphere.  Your forefathers were deceitful thieves and  hijacked the established the work of flat Earther's, and made it into a sphere. That's not something to be proud of and thatís where your maps come from.  And you're still being schooled.

I'll ignore you little fairy story!
Again. Your forefathers were deceitful thieves and hijacked the established the work of flat Earther's, and imagined the maps were a projection of a sphere. That's not something to be proud of and thatís where your maps come from. There is no Globe Earth and no real projection of a sphere but you welcome to believe what ever fantasy you like.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Society Memes
« on: September 13, 2019, 07:53:24 AM »

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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 12, 2019, 11:21:26 PM »
It's amazing the Mason symbol actually represents a Flat Earth. That's one of the secrets found in the Gleason map. The thieves and their kind have been exposed.

Can you see it?




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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 12, 2019, 11:01:44 PM »
The Gleason's map was patented a NEW STANDARD MAP OF THE WORLD and it says so right there on in the heading with the biggest letters, AND IT CAN BE USED AS A LONGITUDE TIME CACULATOR!



Cool, but it was not new as a map. It got the patent because of the "time calculator", not the map itself. That map is an old AE globe projection, nothing new and every much a globe.

Gleason's own words in the patent filing:

From Gleason's patent filing of his map:

"The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."

Again. Tell me, how gullible and brainwashed does a Globe believer have to be, to believe a man that published a Flat Earth book also patented a Globe map a few months before? We know you canít openly admit you have been brainwashed.

And you donít know what was going through the mind of Gleason when he penned those words in his patent.   We know you canít openly admit you have been brainwashed.
 


I understand why it's confusing to you, but that doesn't change the fact that the Gleason map is nothing but the old AE globe projection. Sorry, that's just a fact. What is unique to the Gleason patent is the "time calculator". That's all. Not the map itself.

It also doesn't change the fact that your guy in the video is using a globe coordinate system to calculate distance. Just like everyone does today; calculates distance based upon a spherical earth. Sorry again, those are just the facts. You may not like the facts, but they are the facts none the less.

Yup, you made a brainwashed Globie out of me. The Gleasonís New Standard Map of the World with a moving and spiraling Sun is a map of a Globe.

This is from the bottom left corner of the Map.


Tell me some more lies.

What's the point you're trying to make? Yeah, that's how the sun moves on an AE globe projection map. No mystery there. It's still a globe projection map, first rendered 100's of years earlier. If he made an AE South pole centered globe projection map that box would read exactly the same except the dates would be changed and where he put South would then be North. Still a globe projection map.

And Gleason says so in his patent filing:

"The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."

So I know it's hard to hear, but the Gleason map is nothing more than a globe projection and that's the fact Jack. No matter how much you wish it to be something that it's not doesn't change the facts. And it's becoming increasingly bizarre that you are so defending a globe map when I thought you were a flat earther.

There is no Globe, Jack!  So it's not possible for it to be Globe projection. As time passed your guys took original established maps of Flat Earther's and made a Globe from that. Gleason corrected it through extortion, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich. It was not correct in Globe form and couldn't be anyway because it's not a damn sphere.  Your forefathers were deceitful thieves and  hijacked the established the work of flat Earther's, and made it into a sphere. That's not something to be proud of and thatís where your maps come from.  And you're still being schooled.

Your zero evidence rant still doesn't change the fact that the Gleason map is simply an AE globe projection - A globe projection that had been kicking around centuries before Gleason came along.

You're actually embarrassing yourself to claim otherwise and ironically defending a globe map.

There is no honor among thieves and those who defend them.

Flat Earth Maps existed long before your kind came along and stole our work. We don't believe your lies.


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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 12, 2019, 10:55:05 PM »
The gleason's map would have you believe cape york peninsula in the Northern tip of Australia, is only about 400km from Melbourne, when in reality, it is close to 4,000km. Slightly incorrect by only 3,600km, wouldn't you agree, plat tera?

No. That's what you would have us believe, because your honor the map of theives.

Learn how to measure between points A and B (from the following video) and show us your telling the truth with your work.

Any Flat Earther shoud study this video. It's an incredible piece of work and shows the secrets of Gleasonís Flat Earth Map.



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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 12, 2019, 09:06:42 PM »
The Gleason's map was patented a NEW STANDARD MAP OF THE WORLD and it says so right there on in the heading with the biggest letters, AND IT CAN BE USED AS A LONGITUDE TIME CACULATOR!



Cool, but it was not new as a map. It got the patent because of the "time calculator", not the map itself. That map is an old AE globe projection, nothing new and every much a globe.

Gleason's own words in the patent filing:

From Gleason's patent filing of his map:

"The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."

Again. Tell me, how gullible and brainwashed does a Globe believer have to be, to believe a man that published a Flat Earth book also patented a Globe map a few months before? We know you canít openly admit you have been brainwashed.

And you donít know what was going through the mind of Gleason when he penned those words in his patent.   We know you canít openly admit you have been brainwashed.
 


I understand why it's confusing to you, but that doesn't change the fact that the Gleason map is nothing but the old AE globe projection. Sorry, that's just a fact. What is unique to the Gleason patent is the "time calculator". That's all. Not the map itself.

It also doesn't change the fact that your guy in the video is using a globe coordinate system to calculate distance. Just like everyone does today; calculates distance based upon a spherical earth. Sorry again, those are just the facts. You may not like the facts, but they are the facts none the less.

Yup, you made a brainwashed Globie out of me. The Gleasonís New Standard Map of the World with a moving and spiraling Sun is a map of a Globe.

This is from the bottom left corner of the Map.


Tell me some more lies.

What's the point you're trying to make? Yeah, that's how the sun moves on an AE globe projection map. No mystery there. It's still a globe projection map, first rendered 100's of years earlier. If he made an AE South pole centered globe projection map that box would read exactly the same except the dates would be changed and where he put South would then be North. Still a globe projection map.

And Gleason says so in his patent filing:

"The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles."

So I know it's hard to hear, but the Gleason map is nothing more than a globe projection and that's the fact Jack. No matter how much you wish it to be something that it's not doesn't change the facts. And it's becoming increasingly bizarre that you are so defending a globe map when I thought you were a flat earther.

There is no Globe, Jack!  So it's not possible for it to be Globe projection. As time passed your guys took original established maps of Flat Earther's and made a Globe from that. Gleason corrected it through extortion, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich. It was not correct in Globe form and couldn't be anyway because it's not a damn sphere.  Your forefathers were deceitful thieves and  hijacked the established the work of flat Earther's, and made it into a sphere. That's not something to be proud of and thatís where your maps come from.  And you're still being schooled.

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