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Flat Earth General / Re: Debunking universal acceleration theory
« on: August 21, 2020, 04:09:07 PM »
I'm going to let you guys fight this one out with Sandy from here on in.  I value my sanity too much.
You are not alone. I have had the same experience.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 21, 2020, 02:36:25 PM »
You can see further to the horizon when you're higher up because the atmosphere is not as obscured with things like fog or smog. Pollutants are heavier than air so settle as low as possible
Survivors of the Titanic disaster, sitting down in the lifeboats, reported that they could clearly see stars rising and setting on the horizon.
But this was on a night which was exceptionally clear.

You want to know how things work on a flat earth model and when people answer you rubbish it with how things work on a round earth? What's the point of your questions then?

Personslly, I don't hold much stock on the recounting of stories people tell when they would have been suffering extreme stress and anxiety having lost loved ones and friends and thinking they themselves could die. Who would be lucid enough at that moment to be observing the stars in such detail?

Why dos it take this story and these people to have witnesses to this phenomenon and not any other time? Why not yourself?

You don't have to be freezing in a lifeboat to see what they saw. Anyone who has ever been to sea has probably witnessed this phenomenon.

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The Lounge / Re: Not been here for a while....
« on: August 21, 2020, 02:19:11 PM »
I am never here except for when I am.

I am never absent from here except for when and where I am somewhere else.

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The Lounge / Re: Not been here for a while....
« on: August 21, 2020, 02:16:00 PM »
What fruit loopery has continued here in the meantime.....flat coronavirus theory? Pancakes are maps of the world? Earthquakes are when the god people shake the world like a snow globe (oops, used the G word) to watch debris sparkle inside the crystal dome.
If you have " Not  been here for a while " and have just returned , you will find very little ,
If any, change from the way it was the last time you were here.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 21, 2020, 10:52:57 AM »
You can see further to the horizon when you're higher up because the atmosphere is not as obscured with things like fog or smog. Pollutants are heavier than air so settle as low as possible
Survivors of the Titanic disaster, sitting down in the lifeboats, reported that they could clearly see stars rising and setting on the horizon.
But this was on a night which was exceptionally clear.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 20, 2020, 10:03:10 PM »
I am a stubborn person sometimes (just ask my wife).🤔
But I am going to keep asking my questions until I get the following answers from a flat Earth believers.:
" I can see this many miles out to sea from where from where I am standing on the shore and at sea level."
" I can see this many miles out to sea from where I am standing in the crow's nest 100 feet above sea level on a ship at sea.

We all ask these questions, and all hope we will get some interesting or at least challenging response but you have to know by now you won't.

You might get something from sandokhan or wise but nothing you can actually respond to.

We all hope for some really interesting theory or equation and will keep asking, and keep getting disappointed.  I mean... it's like debating time travel logic in a movie. You can't because time travel inherently introduces contradictions so you will always end up at one. The Earth is not flat, no matter what is proposed there will always be some flaw. What we hope to see is something clever and tricky to unravel but what we get is "magic bendy light" and spinning wormholes.

But... there is always tomorrow. So I'll F5 and hope for the best. :)

It is best, and I wish I could follow this advice myself more often, to give them a bit of respect and frame your questions in a way that they would want to discuss things with you.  Trying to draw them out into a discussion that looks like a no win situation will not get you answers.

The problem is ALL questions are no-win ones. So there just isn't any avoiding them.

How true. It is just impossible to debate round Earth facts - vs. - flat Earth ideas.

I think my problem is that I have worked too long in knowing the shape of the Earth in my education , training and experience to think that I could ask questions to flat earthers and expect to get answers. So I shouldn't have asked questions like this in the first places. So I am now apologizing to any all flat earthers I may have offended. If you believe what you believe, this is your Society and this is your Website. But I know what I know about some things and flat Earth answers to them look so false to me. So maybe we "round earthers" should stay off this website and just leave it to the flat  earthers to believe what they want to believe if they really believe what they say they believe

I am belatedly trying to make this my last post...trying to but I don't know if I will succeed.
🙄😁

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 20, 2020, 07:44:07 PM »
The real issue with this question, which I have also previously explained to The Poster Formerly Known As Googleotomy, is that everyone knows they live on Earth. There isn't one Earth that RE live on and one that FE live on. There is only the one we all live on. And we can all go out on a boat into the ocean and see exactly the same thing. So a question asking "What would you see?" is silly to ask, because it isn't a hypothetical. It is something you determine empirically, and then try to explain using whichever model you subscribe to. In either case, you see the horizon. It's obviously there. I have never encountered anyone that denies the existence of the horizon. Yet TPFKAG wants to keep asking his question as if someone will come along and give an answer other than one that is directly observed and measured. Why would someone do that? And how many threads will it take before he finally understand that literally no one is going to start arguing against the fact that we all have the ability to observe the horizon and in all cases, it's exactly the same distance away no matter what shape someone thinks the Earth is?

But, as it has been explained so many times , if the world was flat it certainly wouldn't look like it really does.

Especially when the horizon is concerned.

One more time just give some examples to my questions as to the distance to the horizon if the Earth was flat. My idea would be that the distance to the horizon on a flat Earth would always be different for any height of the observer. There would be only one horizon. That would be where the sky (the bottom of the dome) meets the Earth (the top of the ice ring/wall.) If you were 5 miles from the ice ring , the horizon would be 5 miles from you. If you were 5000 miles from the ice ring, the horizon would be 5000 miles from you.

If you don't understand my line of reasoning, I would suggest you talk to  a Naval Navigation Commissioned Officer a Petty Officer in the Quartermaster (QM) Specialty Rating. A QMC ( Quartermaster, Chief Petty Officer) would be my suggestion for the best source for information for the horizon questions.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 20, 2020, 03:31:54 PM »

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You are asking about O B S E R V A T I O N S. We all live on the same Earth. It doesn't matter what shape it is when you are asking what someone would observe. Someone who is RE and someone who is FE (or Hollow Earth, or Concave Earth, or Earth Is A Spoon, etc), both the exact same height and eyesight, can stand right next to each other and observe that they see an identical distance before they can't see any more. That is how observations work. They don't change because of an underlying belief in any particular model or idea.
So discussing predictions of observations based on differing models vs the actual observations is too hard.  Pretty simple to understand but he could have worded it better.
I've held his hand on coming around to exactly that question multiple times before. Yet he doesn't ask it. He just starts new threads to ask the same question all over again. How many times am I supposed to coach him into the question he won't ask?

I am a stubborn person sometimes (just ask my wife).🤔
But I am going to keep asking my questions until I get the following answers from a flat Earth believers.:
" I can see this many miles out to sea from where I am standing on the shore and at sea level."
" I can see this many miles out to sea from where I am standing in the crow's nest 100 feet above sea level on a ship at sea.
In miles distances and feet heights above the sea, that is.
I've already shown the way to estimate this distances and the results on a real "round" (Globe) Earth .
Just asking for answers on an imaginary "flat" (Disc) Earth.

But if you will pardon me for using the last line of an old familiar college song , I will probably be asking the same questions " 'Til Gabriel blows His horn ! " 😁

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 20, 2020, 03:00:01 PM »
To the OP, the problem is that you are asking what would you see.
This can be interpreted as asking about a direct observation, rather than a prediction.

Try asking something more like:
If Earth was flat, and determining based upon a FE model, if you ... how far should you be able to see?
Or:
Calculate how far you should be able to see ... on the basis of Earth being flat, showing all working.

This then more clearly moves it from the realm of an actual observation to determining what result an observation should obtain based upon a model.
I didn't really intend to post any more on this thread, or possibly even more on this website for that matter.
But on second thought I would maybe state my question in a better way.
"If you were standing on the shore or in the crow's nest on a ship and looking out on the ocean, what would you actually see on
an actual Round Earth (globe)
or an actual flat Earth (disc) ?
And then, from the best information you were able to find, how did what  you saw compare with what should expect to see ?"
You could possibly use the word "model" in both cases.

The only problem is the Earth is an actual "Round"/"Globe" and a "Flat/Disc" Earth does
does not actually exist and you can only imagine what you would see IF the Earth was
a flat disc. Some previous posts
have dwelft upon this. This is the best way of which I can think for a person to realize the fallacy of a "Flat/Disc" Earth and to realize the truth of a "Round/Globe" Earth. How are you going to make this experiment on something that doesn't exist ?
I don't know if this is any better or worse than my first try ? 🙄

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 19, 2020, 08:18:19 AM »
You can see further to the horizon when you're higher up because the atmosphere is not as obscured with things like fog or smog. Pollutants are heavier than air so settle as low as possible
Got any numbers for this?

How far can due to the fog at ground level?

How far at 10km up?

How far at 100km up?

Round or flat believer, what I said is not technically incorrect :P

Play stupid games, get stupid prizes. Not sure what I was expecting here.  ::)
That's why I am bowing out. I hope you have better luck at getting an answer that I had. ::)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 18, 2020, 10:02:50 PM »
Let me close with one more  post.
These are the round Earth answers.
On a round Earth you can see objects on the surface of the sea as only as far as you can see to the horizon.
What my questions were for similar answers, in miles, for a flat Earth.
The equation for the Round Earth is :
The distance to the horizon, in miles (d) is equal (=) to a constant (1.24) times (x)  the square
root of the height of the observer above the ground or sea, in feet (h)
For a  6 foot tall person standing at sea level on shore , the distance to the horizon would be about 2 to 3 miles
For a 6 foot tall person standing in a crow's nest 100 feet above sea level, in a ship at sea , the distance to the horizon would be about 12.4 miles.
Since the constant (1.24) was computed taking into account the curvature of the earth, this would not apply in a flat Earth because there is no curvature on a flat Earth.
So the question is how would you make these computations on a flat Earth and what would be their results ?
Whether or not I get answers similar to my examples you may consider this thread closed and locked if no else has objections.
But I would be disappointed if I do not get results as requested for a flat Earth.
Either way I will not bring up this subject any more.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 18, 2020, 07:07:56 PM »
You don't need to ask us what we'd see. Go do the experiment yourself, whatever you see is the same as anyone else if they were standing beside you no matter what shape they think the earth is. This question has been answered many times, you lie and say that it hasn't, then you post it again.

Keep it up, it only takes a few seconds for me to lock you in Angry Ranting again.

Why don't some flat earthers do just that and we'll compare the answers ?
I'm just looking to see how many miles you can see at sea on a flat earth ?
I can give you my answers in miles for heights of the observer if you wish.
Been there. Done that.

If not why not just close this thread and move on. And I will go no further.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 18, 2020, 06:58:25 PM »
#1- If you were 6 feet tall,  standing on the shore,  with the sea water lapping at your feet,  and looking out on the ocean,  what would you see and how far would you be able to
 see ?

I would see my feet because no way am I going to let a Man-o-War sneak up on me a second time.

If I dared look up, how far I could see would depend on atmospheric conditions ans the height of the waves.  If I was visiting Bluff Cove I might be able to see a few feet before a wave smacked me in the face.

The examples were for clear calm days with no atmospheric condition to muddle the view.

Also to look up from looking down at your feet and look out across the water.

I was in the Navy, but only a little over half of that was sea duty, and I would never consider myself a real sailor , much less a lookout who is trained on this subject and can give you answers.

But I have stood on the shore and from the top deck of a ship and my results agreed with those published in Navy manuals. So I do know what I am talking about on at least one solitary subject. But I would still like to hear the flat earth side of the discussion.

In both #1 and #2 scenarios I would be able to see as far as the horizon line.

Exactly !

But what I am confused about is the distance to the horizon on the round Earth can be calculated according to  how high the observer is above the sea level. So many miles for so many feet high of the observer . And that is how far you can see things on the surface of the sea. The same as just how far some surface search radars on some ships can "see".This has been computed from taking into account the curvature of the earth. Real lookouts could fill you in on the details.

But there would be no curvature on a flat earth. So how would you compute the distance to the horizon on a flat earth ?


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 18, 2020, 06:10:13 PM »
#1- If you were 6 feet tall,  standing on the shore,  with the sea water lapping at your feet,  and looking out on the ocean,  what would you see and how far would you be able to
 see ?

I would see my feet because no way am I going to let a Man-o-War sneak up on me a second time.

If I dared look up, how far I could see would depend on atmospheric conditions ans the height of the waves.  If I was visiting Bluff Cove I might be able to see a few feet before a wave smacked me in the face.


The examples were for clear calm days with no atmospheric condition to muddle the view.

Also to look up from looking down at your feet and look out across the water.

I was in the Navy, but only a little over half of that was sea duty, and I would never consider myself a real sailor , much less a lookout who is trained on this subject and can give you answers.

But I have stood on the shore and from the top deck of a ship and my results agreed with those published in Navy manuals. So I do know what I am talking about on at least one solitary subject. But I would still like to hear the flat earth side of the discussion.

I am a great fan of another website. There are some moderators who are experts who are very patient and happy to give you answers to even the simplest questions. I'm just looking for some flat earth experts on this website to give me some answers to my questions.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 18, 2020, 05:58:55 PM »
You've asked this before, it's been answered before, and it's the first post you make after being given the chance to post in the upper boards again?

Observations are observations. They are made directly. Regardless of what shape anyone believes the Earth to be, someone of any height, at any distance at or above sea level, and directly observe and measure what they find. And again, regardless of what shape anyone believes the Earth to be, both a FE and a RE person making the same observation together are going to see the same thing. So the only real answer to your question is that it depends on the eyesight (assisted or otherwise) of the observer. The shape of the Earth doesn't need to enter into the "What would you observe" question, because you are simply discussing an actual observation.

Yes , I know I have asked the questions before but never got a straight answer.
Another poster agreed that he had never seen an answer either.

There are simple "round Earth" answers to the questions but I have either missed the answers or overlooked them from the flat Earth viewpoint.

All I want are how many miles you could see from the examples in the post.
If you can't answer the questions just say so or point me to a source for the answers.
If they have been already answered.
I'm not a flat earther and I have no idea about the flat earth answers.
Well I have some ideas but they might be wrong.
If I knew the flat earth answer I wouldn't be asking the questions. LOL.
That's why I keep asking.
I can answer for the round Earth results with facts and figures which I have previously done.
But I didn't intend for this to be  any debating on my part.
I was going to leave that to any others - both "RE's" and "FE's" - if they wanted to debate.
All I am asking for "Is just the facts" and I'll be satisfied.
I didn't have any results on my previous tries so I thought I would give it one more try.
Maybe you could just tell me what you personally saw and I'll tell you just what I saw.
I assume there are some FE's who have ever lived near the sea or been at sea who could answer my questions.
If I don't get any answers on this try, I'll just give it up as a lost cause and drop the subject.
I am just looking for answers on this and other flat earth questions.
If you would be so kind as to just repeat the previous answers that would be good enough

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do you see ?
« on: August 18, 2020, 10:45:28 AM »
robin, there has been some sad news about rab, please read this thread https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=86740.0
Thank you. Very sad to hear that. I have added my own little bit in a reply to the thread.

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The Lounge / Re: I have very sad news. Rabinoz has passed away.
« on: August 18, 2020, 10:32:23 AM »
This is Jan here, Ron's wife.  He was in hospital for 4 weeks.  The biopsy showed he had signet ring carcinoma, a particulary nasty one.  On Wednesday the renal doctor said he had about a week, but he deteriorated over Friday night, and died early on Saturday afternoon.

We have all been reading the very kind comments you have made about Ron and appreciating them very much.  We miss him so much.
He will be missed..... greatly. My condolences to the family.
I am very  much indebted to him for the idea to change my "username" from "googleotomy" to "robintex"
 ( "Robert In Texas").....
 but I know l will never be as good or as clever as he was in my postings.

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Flat Earth Debate / What do you see ?
« on: August 17, 2020, 09:56:29 PM »
Thank you Space Cow GIrl for letting me get back. :)
I have enjoyed just reading comments but would have liked to reply.

I am not planning to enter into any more debates and get into any more trouble.
In the future I am not going to post any more RE replies.
If you want any, meet me on another website.
If persons want to debate, so be it. I'll leave that to the likes of "RE's" like "rabinoz" and "FE's" like "wise". More power to y'all ! O:-)

I am just going to try to learn a bit more about Flat Earth by asking questions.

#1- If you were 6 feet tall,  standing on the shore,  with the sea water lapping at your feet,  and looking out on the ocean,  what would you see and how far would you be able to
 see ?

#2 - If you were 6 feet tall, standing in the crow's nest , 100 feet above the sea , on a ship in the middle of the sea, what would see and how far would you be able to see ?
On the surface of the sea, that is ?

I know from experience what I have seen and how far I could see,.  but I would like to see some replies from both "Round  Earthers" and "Flat Earthers" as to just what they would see and  just how far they could see things on the surface of the sea that they have observed personally.

I am not going to debate anything. I am just going into the "Observer Only" mode.
And also you might consider this the "Learning Only " mode.

Cheers!
"robintex"

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Flat Earth General / Re: Sandokhan's date of the great flood
« on: June 04, 2020, 06:32:05 PM »
I would like to see how you account for these dates.???
1066 - Battle of Hastings
1492 - Cruise of Columbus
1620 - Landing of the Pilgrims
.....To name just a few.....

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Flat Earth General / Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: June 04, 2020, 12:39:53 PM »
You are spamming again. This thread has nothing to do with sandokhan's map.
This thread is about "Which model......."
And isn't sandokhan's one of those "model"'s ?

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Flat Earth General / Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: June 04, 2020, 11:32:25 AM »
San Diego - Honolulu (dark spot on the map): next to the outer rim of the map, over the Pacific Ocean

Honolulu - Japan: next to the outer rim of the map, over the Pacific Ocean.

Very simple.

Can you explain to your readers how the water contained by the oceans adheres to the outer surface of a sphere?

Honolulu and outer rim ?
Have you ever been to Honolulu and seen this outer rim ?

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Flat Earth General / Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: June 04, 2020, 11:21:53 AM »
Provide the attractive mechanism for gravity.

You have none.

Provide the mechanism which links matter to spacetime.

You have none.

You got nothing.

But can you explain to your readers how the water contained by the oceans doesn't run off the edge of your discworld?

That's AFET 101.

The outer dome (ether/aether shield) keep the oceans from spilling beyond the alloted radius of 6,363.63 km.

Provide the data for your flat earth survey on which you base any of your 'maps'.....you have nothing there has never ever been such a thing nor will there ever be.

The word you are looking for in regard to our oceans staying put and not flying up into space is Gravity. You may not like it but gravity doesn't care.

Sandokhan's map seems to be a variation of one of the Projections of the globe complete with all the usual distortions.

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Flat Earth General / Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: June 04, 2020, 10:18:54 AM »
Can you explain to your readers how the water contained by the oceans adheres to the outer surface of a sphere?
Already done numerous times, gravity.

But can you explain to your readers how the water contained by the oceans doesn't run off the edge of your discworld?
Have you forgotten about the ice ring or the lack of sunlight around the edge freezing the water in the ocean ?

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Flat Earth General / Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: June 04, 2020, 10:15:21 AM »
Letís be serious about this. There is no such thing as a flat earth map....period. Ask, consult any cartographer you care to mention and they will tell you maps are put together with detailed data, prior to Satellites, from pain staking surveys. Lets put some facts into this discussion.

No survey of a major or even minor land mass have ever been carried out by a flat earth surveyor.

There is no such thing as a flat earth cartographer, never has and never will be. Itís an impossibility.

Every survey ever carried out has been on the knowledge the earth is a sphere

Every map or data mapping set used by every navigational system currently in use operates on the basis of knowing the location of every feature on the planet....land masses, seas, oceans, mountains, lakes, rivers, forests, roads......etc...

Everyone finds there way around our planet using the current maps....there is no problem with them as no one gets lost due to faulty maps!

There has never and will never be a flat earth survey of the world...therefore there never will be a flat earth map. Maps canít be made by making things up maps can only be made by painstaking measurements over along period of time. No flat earther has ever done that.

The idea of an Ďalternative mapí is pure madness. The relative location of every place on the planet is know. The only reason why flat earthers along with everyone else know where they are and know how to get where they want to go are maps, none of which are flat earth versions.

The continents are where the are, they canít be moved to suit your particular belief thinking they can is a pure delusion.

Get over it the idea of a flat earth alternative map as itís a pure impossibility.

Every thing you say is true, but when it comes to being serious with a flat earther, forget it.
I have often suggested that a flat earther talk to someone in the navy about maps.
But so far nobody seems to have taken me up on my suggestion.

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Flat Earth General / Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: June 04, 2020, 10:00:31 AM »
As I said, each and every aspect of the Piri Reis map was debated a long time ago, including Hawaii:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38712.30 (my map won the poll)
From sandokhan's map it look as you go north




Just let me know how your route would go.
What course would you take from San Diego to Honolulu ?
And from Honolulu to Yokosuka ?
And where is the North Pole on your map ?
And is the shape and size of Australia more accurate on your map than rabinoz's map ?
It looks to me that according to sandokhan's map :
San Francisco to Honolulu - Go north past Alaska
Honolulu to Japan - Make a right turn at Honolulu and go south to Japan

Or if you went in the usual direction. :
Go west from San Francisco
Go over the edge and go under the edge of the Earth.
Cross the bottom of the Earth.
Come out from under the edge on the other side of the Earth.
Continue more or less west to Japan.
But this wouldn't work on sandokhan's map.......I think ?

It would help if sandokhan would draw a line on his map showing the route.

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Flat Earth General / Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: June 03, 2020, 09:30:13 PM »
As I said, each and every aspect of the Piri Reis map was debated a long time ago, including Hawaii:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=38712.30 (my map won the poll)



Just let me know how your route would go.
What course would you take from San Diego to Honolulu ?
And from Honolulu to Yokosuka ?
And where is the North Pole on your map ?
And is the shape and size of Australia more accurate on your map than rabinoz's map ?

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Flat Earth General / Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: June 03, 2020, 09:22:03 PM »
I will make no more posts on this thread until I hear from sandokhan for an answer to my question.
That's my big problem.
Are there any sailors or pilots who want to make comments on sandokhan's map about the route from San Diego to Honolulu to Yokosuka ?
They can give you answers.

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Flat Earth General / Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: June 03, 2020, 05:58:50 PM »
Do you know that robintex is actually Googleotomy and already knows all that?
Yes, I know that "robintex is actually Googleotomy" and I know why he changed his name ;D.
But others might be unaware of the wealth of knowledge :o in AFET ;D.

Any comments on the size and shape of Australia on sandokhan's map, rabinoz ?

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Flat Earth General / Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: June 03, 2020, 05:49:18 PM »
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Do you know that robintex is actually Googleotomy and already knows all that?
You are right. I just got tired of the old "googleotomy" and decided to change it to "robintex". And also my apologies to rabinoz and all FE's and all RE's. I just copied his idea and changed it to mine.
It stands for " Robert In Texas".

Back to topic. After looking at sandokhan's map again.
Explain to me just how you would  sail across the Pacific Ocean from the west coast of the United States to the east coast of Japan using sandokhan's map ?


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Flat Earth General / Re: A poll: Which FE model is the right one
« on: June 03, 2020, 04:12:12 PM »
Only one FE model counts: the one that has withstood fierce debates, the one which does explain every important aspect, AFET.

And it is not listed among the choices.

Which  IS  the " only one FE  model counts "  ????????
Could you supply a print of this "AFET" map. ?????????

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