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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 20, 2021, 10:54:15 PM »
JJA, do you start your day off looking through a used dunny roll? No. So, we don't all experience that daily, do we? I don't see 50 pages of people looking through used toilet rolls and straws to be overly enjoyable, but whatever floats your boat, pal. 

There is a difference in values here, when a person's mind is completely shut off to anything outside their expectations. Did you make the adjustment like I suggested?

If you really enjoy taking photos of used dunny rolls and straws so much, can you at least do it in a way that proves what you are saying, and not keep doing it at your fav piblic toilet block with the holes in the cubicle walls? I don't want to have to show you up with my camera skills. Plus, can we get some side views of your globe? Please?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 20, 2021, 02:35:29 PM »
JJA, I don't know why you and others here are getting so uptight with sceptimatic.

Sceptimatic has already declared his experience of the world as it appears, is all he will accept.

He doesn't experience the world scientifically, and has never experienced the globe or planetary systems described by science. If you were honest with yourself, neither have you, or any of us. You trust and value what has been told to you by science, over just your own observations.

The experience of the earth as flat, disc like, motionless, stationary, and as a contained system, with a sun that moves around it, just as the ancient Mesopotamians did, is a return to the basic human experience of the world you can have. It is how humans first perceive the world.

Science posits a mechanical world outside the human perception and moves the emphasis of meaning and the centre of the world to outside the human experience and outside the world itself.

For a person who values scientific explanation and meaning first of the world, you will never change somebody's mind, who values first the conscious experience and human perception.

Thus thread perfectly illustrates a difference in values.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 17, 2021, 07:30:55 PM »
Never in the history of mankind, has a toilet roll tube garnered so much attention!

JJA, you know what Sceptimatic's experiment is meant to prove, so adjust the damn experiment! Move your pupil down to the edge of the bottom of the tube. Is it that difficult???????????????????

The only thing I see proven with this trick, is a flat earther has made globe earthers look like imbeciles, and perhaps he has never actually even performed it himself. If he had, and was on the level, he would concur you can see the ground, looking through a level toilet roll through one end with your pupil centralized.

How's your bidet, Sceptimatic?

Ok, with the adjustment, you can only see sky through the tube, no ground, as predicted for a globe earth. Perfect. Move on.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dear friends, the earth can not be flat.
« on: January 13, 2021, 11:07:31 PM »
The General Theory Of Relativity Is Wrong : The light of the star does not bend when passing by the sun. The position of the stars change apparently in the presence of the sun. Because the sun rotate around the earth.
Finallie someone with branez.

and common cents!

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 13, 2021, 05:40:14 AM »
A scenario narrative to commemorate 100 pages of twists and turns, (mostly from my stomach) and Sceptimatic's meteoric rise to moderator.  O0 (well, maybe not the latter just yet)

Ok, so a fence sitting flat earther on a budget comes to me and asks how they can once and for all prove with their own eyes whether the earth is flat or a globe. "How much money can you devote to finding out?", I ask. They say, "$50." I think, "Hmm, not enough to build a homemade rocket or launch a go-pro camera into orbit." But, a light bulb goes off. I remember what the sage, Sceptimatic, has taught me. I say, "Perfect. Hold on to your $50, you will need it soon enough."

"Ok", I say, "Now if earth is indeed flat, tell me where the flattest place on earth will be? Here's a hint: What always finds it's level?" Without a split second delay, they announce, "I know this one! Water of course". I say, "Yes. So the flattest place on earth if earth is flat, has to be.....?" They say, "The sea?" I say, "Yes. The sea. Any sea of the world. An uninterrupted view of the sea all the way to the horizon."

I say, "So let's start there. Let's find a view of the sea with an uninterrupted view all the way to the horizon from the beach. Then we will look for a view of the sea with an uninterrupted view all the way to the horizon, from the highest mountain we can find."

To be continued............ ;D

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 11, 2021, 12:51:24 PM »

You didn't watch the videos, did you?

Yep. Just junk, like I said earlier.

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I was going to let you get to your 100 pages untraumatised, but I've changed my mind. I am going to lock you into a few beliefs, and then I'm going to crush those beliefs.
Let's go, because you've done a pee poor job, so far.

Lol!  ;D You think so? Well, in that case, I'll let Martin Bryant know you'll be baking him a birthday cake with a file in the centre, and the engagement is still on. I'll also let Professor Dave know you'll be doing a YouTube video to refute those youtube videos you haven't watched yet.

Question time, and no fence sitting, Sceptimatic. I know you have commitment issues.  :-*

Answer this: What shape is the Earth?
A) Spherical  B) Curvy  C) Flat  D) Flattish E) It's too early in world history to know.


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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 11, 2021, 03:12:48 AM »

I repeatedly copy the same questions I have asked you because you continually refuse to answer them.

Wrong and you're only wasting your own time doing this.

Skip back two posts to my post, sit back with your tall glass of kool aid, and enjoy the videos. :)
I have. It's just the usual junk.
And to think you gave me a load of bull about you questioning things.
Keep trying, though.

Well, I am questioning the intrgrity of a person who can argue so much in favor of a flat earth, yet, the best model he can come up with, is a curvy earth. I'm also questioning how much LSD you had in your kool aid while you watched those two videos. Not your usual amount.

You didn't watch the videos, did you?

I was going to let you get to your 100 pages untraumatised, but I've changed my mind. I am going to lock you into a few beliefs, and then I'm going to crush those beliefs.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 11, 2021, 12:03:33 AM »

I repeatedly copy the same questions I have asked you because you continually refuse to answer them.

Wrong and you're only wasting your own time doing this.

Skip back two posts to my post, sit back with your tall glass of kool aid, and enjoy the videos. :)

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 10, 2021, 11:29:21 PM »
Sceptimatic, anything in these two youtube videos below, by Professor Dave, that would change your mind?

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** Sceptimatic, see if point 10 in the first video sounds familiar to anybody you know.

NOTE: These two videos are that damn good, I considered giving them their own threads but considered that to be just too darn cruel.




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Flat Earth General / Re: Dear friends, the earth can not be flat.
« on: January 10, 2021, 10:32:21 AM »
I now know the earth is round and the sun rotate around the round earth.

Sounds like you're saying that under duress. Who got to you? NASA? FETÖ? You can tell us. John Davis has made this site very secure

Hydra got to him. Hail Hydra! They are flat earth deniers from way back!

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 09, 2021, 10:44:32 PM »
Sceptimatic, could you define what you mean, when you say you believe the earth is definitely not a globe and is instead, "flattish"?

I must say, your choice of a rounded earth model in your avatar, while you are arguing there is no curvature to the earth, is interesting. If I didn't know any better, I'd say it was a freudian slip, or your way of telling everyone your true thoughts.

But, getting back to your favourite topic the horizon..................

This is what you believe about the horizon, isn't it?

   



All lines converge at a theoretical horizon, yes?

If so, you would agree then, that the lines of any level surface must line up perfectly with the horizon?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 08, 2021, 08:52:17 AM »
OMG, you guys are nearly at the magic 100!

Just 6 more pages to push through now.  I know it's hard and you're just endlessly repeating yourselves, but now is not the time to think about quitting.

Too true, Jimmy!

At page 100, Sceptimatic is automatically elevated to moderator status, and one of the current moderators (of his choice) must step down. (Much like Trump)

This is quite a crowning achievement for sceptimatic and the flat earth society. You couldn't push this much s#!t uphill, but sceptimatic has managed to push it for 100 pages, (and he doesn't even think earth is flat.  :-*)

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 07, 2021, 11:54:39 PM »
I've already told you, so either do it or don't.
'Honesty', I've got that much so far.  You posted two different diagrams, so I'll just pick a grade then.  Glad that's settled.
Now then, what do you want me to use to level the tubes?
A plumb bob with a hanging pencil or straight stick with an equal identical mass on each end that balances as a horizontal against the vertical under the, plumb bob.


Place this at the back of the first tube (nearest you), about 2 feet or so.
Take your picture via this set up and towards the crosshairs on both tubes, lining them all up.

This way you get to see the true crosshair to the true level of both tube crosshairs.
Here's the  diagram, for clarity.
The little man in the diagram is wearing a high viz vest, hard hat and boots. It makes him look a bit more professional but you are not under any obligation to follow suit, if you don't want to.
You can do this experiment in a G-string or anorak...etc, if you feel like it.  ;)



A coupla questions. Are we still dealing with toilet rolls here, or have we moved up to discarded Christmas wrapping rolls?  Why is the little man in the diagram dressed in a bright yellow chicken little costume instead of a fluoro yellow g-string? Will it help have a birdseye view of the tubes? Oh, and can I use hair from any part of my body to make the cross hairs?

I haven't seen a photo from who has done this yet, but I'm eagerly looking forward to it! I might even do it myself on the busiest hill in town, but would have to order my chicken costume first.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 07, 2021, 07:36:21 AM »
I can't believe sceptimatic tells people to repeat his experiment that makes anybody who conducts it, look like a total fool, and people repeat it. It makes one wonder who the real idiots are in this thread.

Curiosity part of being human.  I've done the experiments for him (and others) here because it's fun.  I certainly don't expect them to change his mind, I do them for myself.

This isn't the only site I visit, and I do a lot more experiments and demonstrations for people about legitimate subjects that people are curious about.  Demonstrating scientific principles is enjoyable, no matter who is reading or watching them.

If you don't want to join in, that's fine.  Nobody is forcing you to do anything you don't want to.  Just have fun with whatever you do, which you clearly are. :)

JJA, relax. I'm on nightshift, and am grumpy from sleep deprivation and trying to sleep in 38 degree heat. You realise I've tried the toilet roll experiment myself? Only to establish it's trickery, but nevertheless.

I'm surprised sceptimatic didn't demand we dip one end of the toilet roll in wet black enamel paint to put against our eye, to improve the effectiveness.


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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 06, 2021, 09:29:06 PM »
I can't believe sceptimatic tells people to repeat his experiment that makes anybody who conducts it, look like a total fool, and people repeat it. It makes one wonder who the real idiots are in this thread.

If sceptimatic told you all to make yourselves goggles filled with special blue dye, that would allow you all to see into the spirit world, I think you would all do it.

Sceptimatic should be praised for the number of people he has pranked to look through toilet tubes, especially out in public.

Seriously, if he can get you all looking through toilet tubes, what will he have you all doing next? Do I need to purchase a kaleidoscope for the next experiment, sceptimatic, or will drinking a bottle of whiskey beforehand, suffice?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 05, 2021, 01:18:13 PM »







Sceptimatic, this is your belief on a golden platter. (The horizon is a theoretical line dependent on the viewer's eyeline.)

What it also means is the lines of any level surface will converge on the theoretical horizon line. Yes?

Study the drawings. This is what you have been prattling on about.

Umm, you may not believe earth is a globe, but according to your avatar, it's a section of a ball? It's curved nevertheless, so why are you pushing your toilet roll experiment which supposedly proves there is no curvature?
I'm not sure what you think your pictures show.
And where is the section of a ball?

These pictures show what you have been saying all along. Don't you recognise your favourite theory? "The horizon always rises to eye level." They show, that on any level surface, all lines must converge with the theoretical horizon line.

So, here is your avatar, Sceptimatic, uncropped: (The angels are a nice touch, I don't know why you cropped them out.)



Here is your avatar up close, showing very distinctive curvature similar to the top 3rd of a ball:



Here is a picture, I think much more closely aligned to your cell earth model:


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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 05, 2021, 09:17:13 AM »







Sceptimatic, this is your belief on a golden platter. (The horizon is a theoretical line dependent on the viewer's eyeline.)

What it also means is the lines of any level surface will converge on the theoretical horizon line. Yes?

Study the drawings. This is what you have been prattling on about.

Umm, you may not believe earth is a globe, but according to your avatar, it's a section of a ball? It's curved nevertheless, so why are you pushing your toilet roll experiment which supposedly proves there is no curvature?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 05, 2021, 01:14:00 AM »
Sceptimatic, your avatar is not a flat earth model.

It has a distinctive curve just like the globe, I see going on for North America on your avatar. By your own reasoning, Australia on your avatar should be at the bottom of the sea bed, along with most of South America and Africa, with the rest of the sea water defying every other logical natural law, and sticking to the sides of a bowl. Does water in your house, magically pool on your walls, and sit there, does it?

So, why are you carrying on about there being no curvature, when your own chosen model by Orlando Ferguson - a businessman from South Dakota, has the loopiest curvature anybody could possibly come up with? Seriously, the Angels standing on the four corners of Orlando's model (which you cropped out) makes more sense than the rest of it.

Now, address those last two images I posted about the horizon.
Paying attention to earlier posting about what you're trying to argue, is not a strong point of yours, I see.

You are getting weaker by the second by using angels and such and also using a model in its entirety as if I follow that.
You can clearly see I use it as the potential set up, only.

And water would not be sitting on any convex gradient but sitting in a concave one.
Have a think on this stuff and it'll save you trying to be clever and getting nowhere.

Weaker than your avatar which is the potential set up of your model where you argue the earth is flat, but your earth avatar has clear curvature? <face palm> So, your avatar features a model which is nothing like the model in your head, that nobody here can comprehend, and that you can't even draw. (Even danang can draw his flat earth model.)

I have the picture in your avatar in it's entirery, and it has four angels drawn in it. That ludicrous drawing belongs in some Christian sex cult bible, not in any flat earth discussion of the physical shape of this world. (Because the earth in your avatar isn't flat.)

As for those two drawings I posted, have another look at them. Is that the theoretical horizon in each drawing, you continuously harp on about? Isn't that how you believe the horizon for each person works? Eyeline equals horizon line?

Yes or no?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Good advice?
« on: January 04, 2021, 08:38:40 PM »
There are plenty of flat earth books for sale on ebay. Maybe John Davis was referring to them?

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Why can't the moon in inconsistency 2, be hidden behind the Earth? The scale in these images is laughable. What does it matter, what these images from 10 years ago, show or don't show?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dear friends, the earth can not be flat.
« on: January 04, 2021, 08:24:48 PM »
I now know the earth is round and the sun rotate around the round earth.

Well, that's a start!

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 04, 2021, 11:24:28 AM »
Sceptimatic, your avatar is not a flat earth model.

It has a distinctive curve just like the globe, I see going on for North America on your avatar. By your own reasoning, Australia on your avatar should be at the bottom of the sea bed, along with most of South America and Africa, with the rest of the sea water defying every other logical natural law, and sticking to the sides of a bowl. Does water in your house, magically pool on your walls, and sit there, does it?

So, why are you carrying on about there being no curvature, when your own chosen model by Orlando Ferguson - a businessman from South Dakota, has the loopiest curvature anybody could possibly come up with? Seriously, the Angels standing on the four corners of Orlando's model (which you cropped out) makes more sense than the rest of it.

Now, address those last two images I posted about the horizon.


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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 04, 2021, 04:01:38 AM »
But to me that does not appear to be the case.
It is the case, you just deny it because it doesn't fit the narrative.
It can not be anything other than eye level.
The reason is convergence back to the eye. To a point...centralised.

It's impossible to be anything other.


However, this would not be the case if you were on a globe, because you have no horizon.....just sky.

So, this is what you believe.......



I take it, Sceptimatic, you also believe this.......



Even though in your avatar depiction of Earth, Earth isn't flat - it's curved? Please explain?

(This might explain the noticeable absence of actual flat earthers who have helped you out in this thread? You're not a flat earther at all - you're a globe earth denier, and gold panning earth believer)

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 03, 2021, 07:40:43 PM »
Sceptimatic, Shifter just posted a video which trashes your stylish avatar. Check it out, sometime.

You're a science denier, and what you believe is the earth is not spherical, space does not exist, our solar system dies not exist, the universe does not exist, and you have been lied to, and deceived.

I'd love to know which authorities you choose to trust and which authorities you choose to distrust. I'm a government worker, so I'm curious.
Everyone's a government worker, so what's your point?

Really? You get a government paid salary?

Have you performed my table at the beach experiment yet, or do you need me to post up step by step photos?
By all means post it step by step. Show me what you're trying to prove, then I'll rip it to bits and send you back to try again, by showing you your issues. Unless you can nail it and shut me up.
Let's see.

No worries! So, just to clarify, this is what you believe, yes? The horizon is always at a person's eyeline.



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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 02, 2021, 07:22:55 PM »
Sceptimatic, Shifter just posted a video which trashes your stylish avatar. Check it out, sometime.

You're a science denier, and what you believe is the earth is not spherical, space does not exist, our solar system dies not exist, the universe does not exist, and you have been lied to, and deceived.

I'd love to know which authorities you choose to trust and which authorities you choose to distrust. I'm a government worker, so I'm curious.
Everyone's a government worker, so what's your point?

Really? You get a government paid salary?

Have you performed my table at the beach experiment yet, or do you need me to post up step by step photos?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 02, 2021, 05:43:20 AM »
Sceptimatic, Shifter just posted a video which trashes your stylish avatar. Check it out, sometime.

You're a science denier, and what you believe is the earth is not spherical, space does not exist, our solar system dies not exist, the universe does not exist, and you have been lied to, and deceived.

I'd love to know which authorities you choose to trust and which authorities you choose to distrust. I'm a government worker, so I'm curious.


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Can you explain exactly how the origins and beliefs of the FE movement have been as you say ‘trashed’. As far as I could see the makers of the video presented the whole FE story pretty accurately.

Arran Lomas (Thoughty2) as far as I know takes care of the channel and its content on his own. Obviously uses stock footage available of course

As for trashed it's because he's wrong :P As an example he tried to make out the Earth accelerating at 9.8m/s is absurd because it would reach the speed of light. Which is actually false if he cared to understand the rules of his own physics

Lol! He's correct on every point he mentioned! Thanks for sharing, shifter, and exposing many more people to this excellent video! 

He's wrong? Oh, you mean the rules of his own physics which dictates energy can neither be created nor destroyed, yet this mysterious dark energy continues to accelerate the earth upwards forever? Yeah, that's not absurd at all, shifter! Lol!

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: January 01, 2021, 07:29:37 PM »
Sceptimatic, nothing will change your mind, and you are not prepared to do any experiments that actually verify the shape of the world you live on. So, what is the point of you being in this section of the forum and not the believers only section? That is what you are: a believer only, playing with your toilet rolls.

You don't accept any explanation for gravity, and have no alternative explanation for the world's geosystem. Even when you are told what gravity is, and how it works, your childish response is the same :"Now tell me what gravity is and how it works."

Here's a challenge for you, sceptimatic. Why don't you try and prove the globe earth model wrong, using something a little more sophisticated than a toilet roll....

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Ways to demonstrate Earth is round
« on: January 01, 2021, 04:54:27 PM »
Curved space does not curve light. Space is not a medium that bends light. Light still travels in straight lines despite the curvature of space. This how how we can an be confidant photos of earth from space, are accurate depictions of the earth.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Ways to demonstrate Earth is round
« on: December 30, 2020, 09:08:41 PM »
To demonstrate the earth is round, first work on trying to prove it is flat.

Set a perfectly flat table up at the beach facing the horizon out at sea. Use levels to adjust the table to make the table top perfectly level. Water always finds it's level, right?

If earth is flat, nothing is flatter than the water of the sea. If the water if the sea is flat, the lines of the sides of the table will converge at a point perfectly on the horizon line. If earth is curved, they will converge on a point above the horizon line, due to earth curving down.

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