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Flat Earth General / Re: The Real Source of James Webb Photos
« on: August 06, 2022, 07:10:47 PM »
It does make you question just how many photos they have released that are actually just mock ups gone unnoticed....
Well I would say if it is just on twitter, without a proper official source (e.g. NASA website), I wouldn't be less inclined to trust it.
You are right. An expert in the field isn't an official source. This is why there was such an uproar about him being caught doing this.

Except he’s not an expert in the field. While a prominent researcher in alternative and atomic energy, a lecturer in quantum and particle physics, and a science popularizer, nothing in his online credentials suggest that he has any experience (professional or even casual) in space science, astronomy, imaging, astrophysics, or cosmology.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flying Land inside the Cloud Verified
« on: June 16, 2022, 03:45:52 PM »
Danang doesn't have the faintest idea what "verified" means.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Foucault's pendulums
« on: May 19, 2022, 01:46:57 PM »
Tom also thinks all non-motorized pendula stop after a few hours (not true) and that the spinning of tbe heavens every 24 hours directly causes the precession  of the FP ... curious, since FPs' precession rate is a deterministic function of latitude.

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Yes, but I watch the Universe from my window and I do not need a fake telescope in space doing it for me.
Good for you.  That means that you won't be stealing any telescope time from real astronomers who do need space telescopes.
Correct. And no asstronmers will sit and watch anything in space through the JWST tube. The JWST, if it exists, just take photos in infrarred of objects in the Universe, that are then sent to Earth for examination.  It is all automatic and remote controlled.
That doesn't mean that the time required to do observations isn't meticulously scheduled and allocated, and that none of that precious resource would ever be given to someone with less than minimum adequate credentials.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Salt flat laser experement
« on: March 19, 2022, 08:06:53 PM »
Bonneville salt flats 12 miles = 8' earth curve.
Level laser for 1 mile. the end of the flats the beam should be 8' above the starting point.

Wow. Really bad at math AND physics.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Globe Earth is Spinning? That's Not Phew
« on: March 12, 2022, 06:11:41 PM »
They say the globe are spinning at the speed of 1000 mph.
Wait a minute...
There is no chaos at our surrounding air as much as in MotoGP.
Then who commands the air to go at the same speed?? 🤔



The Earth they cannot be spinning at the 1000 mile per hour because if they so then I be zipping along at 1000 mile per hour in other direction bumping and crashing into things. So dumb so dumb I am not splatting on cliffs and mountains and I so smart when I pretend not knowing the English and play dumb when so called scientists say they explain but I just ignore and pretend no unsterstand. PHLAT EARTH PHOREVER!

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Radiometer, dumb fuck . . .
I'll buy you one because I feel sorry for you.

https://www.amazon.com/TEDCO-01800-Radiometer/dp/B0007YFJI2

Radiometers do not work by light pressure (photons transferring momentum to the van) if that's what you're implying. Black side of vane heats up more; sparse air molecules in bulb are kicked away faster when they interact with black side; equal and opposite forces make black side overpower white side; vanes spin away from black side.

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Really long, but really interesting. The Smarter Every Day ...

Heiwa is completely unfamiliar with the concept of "smarter every day".

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No, photons cannot impart momentum on objects. Photons can only impart energy on objects in the form of heat, i.e. photons warm up objects, e.g. me when I see the Sun rise outside my window.

Hoax persona = hoax info.

Photons have momentum.

Typical hoax nonsense spewed by Heiwa. As always, disregard.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 28, 2022, 12:47:12 PM »
I simply do not believe it. I consider the complete JWST a hoax!

After reading all of your nonsense and clear attempts to troll, I consider your persona to be a hoax. Please come back with a genuine one.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 23, 2022, 12:11:16 PM »

 If L2 is really in the shadow of Earth/Moon,

It's not.
It is.

It's not.






Heiwa is playing pedantic games. L2 is in Earth's shadow; JWST (and other spacecraft) trace a halo orbit around L2 and are not in Earth's shadow.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 23, 2022, 10:33:38 AM »
Putting a parasol over a telescope kinda defeats the purpose.
No, the parasol stops the telescope from heating up by direct sun radiation. Ok, heat of the Sun is also reflected from the surface of the moon, so you have to consider that too.

So you’ve just answered one aspect as to why put JWST at L2. The Moon is not an appropriate thermal environment. Neither is Earth orbit. L2 is.

Not really. If L2 is really in the shadow of Earth/Moon, it very cold there with no need for a heat shield. Solar panels are useless at L2. But you'll no doubt say that JWST orbits L2! As soon it is exposed to the Sun, a parasol is enough protection as long as you look in the other direction.

You're beginning to have the basics of comprehension, but you don't remember what you said previously. Or what others have said previously.

By "at L2" yes I meant orbiting it so that solar panels will work. Yes, a parasol works there because in the other direction is 4 degree Kelvin space that heat can be radiated to and from which no incoming heat load exists. That is not the case in your example of JWST lounging under a parasol on the surface of the Moon. Or in orbit around the Moon. Or in orbit around the Earth.

Hopefully you've learned just a little bit more today and won't be such a doofus in future. We can hope.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 23, 2022, 07:26:31 AM »
Putting a parasol over a telescope kinda defeats the purpose.
No, the parasol stops the telescope from heating up by direct sun radiation. Ok, heat of the Sun is also reflected from the surface of the moon, so you have to consider that too.

So you’ve just answered one aspect as to why put JWST at L2. The Moon is not an appropriate thermal environment. Neither is Earth orbit. L2 is.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 23, 2022, 01:38:28 AM »

Hm, the Sun shines on the Moon all the time (except if Earth is in the way) and the universe around it. It is a perfect place to study the universe because there is no atmosphere filtering the light. If you are afraid of sun heat radiation, you just put a parasol/heat shield above the JWST as protection.


Yep. If I want to cool my beer to -370F when the overhead sun is making my mug and all the surrounding landscape >200F, then I “just put a parasol” over it as protection.

Good thing those tanker designs don’t count on you for any thermal analysis.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 22, 2022, 03:56:14 PM »

The JWST is just 16 mirrors that produce one image of what is looked at, incl. planet Venus.

Heiwa is dactylly challenged and only has 4 digits on each hand and foot. That's why he can't count to 18.

Oh, yeah. He's also missing his dick.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 22, 2022, 01:21:04 PM »

There is no JWST at L2! It is a hoax!

Provide one piece of evidence whose source is not you to support this claim.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sunray Goes Down and then Up Like a Parabola Curve
« on: February 19, 2022, 04:39:23 PM »
The sun’s altitude at horizon is higher than the cloud, that’s why the distant cloud’s underneath looks dark. However, the nearer cloud’s underneath looks bright. So, the sunray goes down and up Like parabola curve.



Let's assume you're right. (You're not, but for arguments' sake let's assume so.)

So?

What conclusion do you draw?

That light doesn't travel in a straight line? (We've been telling you that for ages - that you must take into account refractive properties of the atmosphere in some cases, but you've ignored it all those times.)

If so, then all your arguments about what you see, and the geometry of calculations that the earth looks flat are moot.

So which is it?

Does light curve like that or not?

If not, what was the purpose of your post?

DUD makes the air stricken upwards. The more lower altitude, the stronger power will be.
This is cause of refraction.
Yes. Those are all words. Why don’t you put them together in an order that isn’t completely incoherent?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sunray Goes Down and then Up Like a Parabola Curve
« on: February 17, 2022, 10:11:02 PM »
The sun’s altitude at horizon is higher than the cloud, that’s why the distant cloud’s underneath looks dark. However, the nearer cloud’s underneath looks bright. So, the sunray goes down and up Like parabola curve.



Let's assume you're right. (You're not, but for arguments' sake let's assume so.)

So?

What conclusion do you draw?

That light doesn't travel in a straight line? (We've been telling you that for ages - that you must take into account refractive properties of the atmosphere in some cases, but you've ignored it all those times.)

If so, then all your arguments about what you see, and the geometry of calculations that the earth looks flat are moot.

So which is it?

Does light curve like that or not?

If not, what was the purpose of your post?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: The best video ever gets remastered in 4K
« on: February 17, 2022, 07:51:35 PM »
If I clicked on that link that explicitly told me what it was, did I just rickroll myself?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 17, 2022, 07:38:16 PM »
Well, Heiwa?
Heiwa keeps going on and on that you can’t orbit around L2 because there is no mass at L2 and you can’t orbit around nothing.

Apparently, according to Heiwa, the following is impossible:



There is nothing at the green point. No mass.


Counterexample’s a bitch, ain’t it?
No, planet Earth is not orbiting anything! It is just the center of the Universe and is just rotating around itself to keep cool, etc. It is the Sun that orbits Earth, which I can see from my window. I have a great view of the Mediterranean Sea from there, where the Sun rises every morning at the horizon.
What nonsense are you on about? Can you not read?

No one said anything about Earth.

You said that an object can't orbit around nothing.

I have shown you objects orbiting around nothing.

Or do you, oh expert that has studied orbits for 60+ years, deny that the diagram shown is not how two given masses behave?

Is the diagram as shown impossible?

Or will you just go on about sunrises and sunsets?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 16, 2022, 09:37:11 PM »
Well, Heiwa?
Heiwa keeps going on and on that you can’t orbit around L2 because there is no mass at L2 and you can’t orbit around nothing.

Apparently, according to Heiwa, the following is impossible:



There is nothing at the green point. No mass.


Counterexample’s a bitch, ain’t it?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 08, 2022, 10:32:28 PM »
Heiwa keeps going on and on that you can’t orbit around L2 because there is no mass at L2 and you can’t orbit around nothing.

Apparently, according to Heiwa, the following is impossible:



There is nothing at the green point. No mass.


Counterexample’s a bitch, ain’t it?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 06, 2022, 11:39:12 PM »
Show the math.
No, you have to study what I explain above. The math is not easy. The gravity force acting on the JWST spacecraft going to L2 vary with the distance to Earth and the Sun, which changes all the time. Thus the force is stronger the closer JWST are to the Sun and the Earth. But to suggest that the JWST distance from Earth becomes more or less constant at L2 and that the JWST changes its elliptical orbit around Earth to a circular orbit around the Sun after reaching L2 is simply ridiculous. NASA has of course suggested similar things since going to the Moon >50 years ago, i.e. a space craft can jump from one orbit to another in space. But it is pure fake space news.

Show the math.
It is easy. Imagine you are on Earth and want to go to L2. L2 is above you in the sky and in the back is the Sun. So you just take off and go straight away from the Earth with the Sun behind you and, voilà! you arrive at L2 after at month. Speed is reduced all the time due to Earth and Sun gravity, so start with right speed. At arrival L2 you have to dock there, i.e. change direction and speed to that of L2. NASA has never shown any math of it, so why should I?

This post here perfectly shows that you have NEVER bothered to study orbital mechanics and don't understand any of the concepts. But everyone here already knew that.

More LIES from Heiwa.
I have studied orbits >65 years, when I sent my first rocket into the air of the sky.  My rocket took off at high speed and disappeared into a nearby lake after a short orbit. The fuel was a mixture of zinc and sulfure powder.
I can assure you that no object in an orbit can suddenly stop or change course or enter another orbit. You are an idiot.

Ah. This must some strange new usage of the word “study” of which I was previously unaware.
You know what I mean. To do calculations of orbits between the Sun and Earth/Moon and L2you have to know the masses of the Sun and the Earth and the Moon, which you don't. That the mass of L2 is zero is certain. Anyway, I consider the JWST a stupid hoax. I wonder what the asstrophysicians will invent next.

I now understand your thinking. "No one in the world understands anything and they make everything up" because you don't understand anything and you make everything up.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 06, 2022, 11:06:14 AM »
Show the math.
No, you have to study what I explain above. The math is not easy. The gravity force acting on the JWST spacecraft going to L2 vary with the distance to Earth and the Sun, which changes all the time. Thus the force is stronger the closer JWST are to the Sun and the Earth. But to suggest that the JWST distance from Earth becomes more or less constant at L2 and that the JWST changes its elliptical orbit around Earth to a circular orbit around the Sun after reaching L2 is simply ridiculous. NASA has of course suggested similar things since going to the Moon >50 years ago, i.e. a space craft can jump from one orbit to another in space. But it is pure fake space news.

Show the math.
It is easy. Imagine you are on Earth and want to go to L2. L2 is above you in the sky and in the back is the Sun. So you just take off and go straight away from the Earth with the Sun behind you and, voilà! you arrive at L2 after at month. Speed is reduced all the time due to Earth and Sun gravity, so start with right speed. At arrival L2 you have to dock there, i.e. change direction and speed to that of L2. NASA has never shown any math of it, so why should I?

This post here perfectly shows that you have NEVER bothered to study orbital mechanics and don't understand any of the concepts. But everyone here already knew that.

More LIES from Heiwa.
I have studied orbits >65 years, when I sent my first rocket into the air of the sky.  My rocket took off at high speed and disappeared into a nearby lake after a short orbit. The fuel was a mixture of zinc and sulfure powder.
I can assure you that no object in an orbit can suddenly stop or change course or enter another orbit. You are an idiot.

Ah. This must some strange new usage of the word “study” of which I was previously unaware.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 06, 2022, 02:46:55 AM »
Show the math.
No, you have to study what I explain above. The math is not easy. The gravity force acting on the JWST spacecraft going to L2 vary with the distance to Earth and the Sun, which changes all the time. Thus the force is stronger the closer JWST are to the Sun and the Earth. But to suggest that the JWST distance from Earth becomes more or less constant at L2 and that the JWST changes its elliptical orbit around Earth to a circular orbit around the Sun after reaching L2 is simply ridiculous. NASA has of course suggested similar things since going to the Moon >50 years ago, i.e. a space craft can jump from one orbit to another in space. But it is pure fake space news.
Show the math. 

It is easy.  Imagine you are on Earth and want to go to L2. L2 is above you in the sky and in the back is the Sun. So you just take off and go straight away from the Earth with the Sun behind you and, voilà! you arrive at L2 after at month. Speed is reduced all the time due to Earth and Sun gravity, so start with right speed. At arrival L2 you have to dock there, i.e. change direction and speed to that of L2. NASA has never shown any math of it, so why should I?

Also, see above. Make up your mind. Is it easy? Is it not easy?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 06, 2022, 02:29:32 AM »
Show the math.
No, you have to study what I explain above. The math is not easy. The gravity force acting on the JWST spacecraft going to L2 vary with the distance to Earth and the Sun, which changes all the time. Thus the force is stronger the closer JWST are to the Sun and the Earth. But to suggest that the JWST distance from Earth becomes more or less constant at L2 and that the JWST changes its elliptical orbit around Earth to a circular orbit around the Sun after reaching L2 is simply ridiculous. NASA has of course suggested similar things since going to the Moon >50 years ago, i.e. a space craft can jump from one orbit to another in space. But it is pure fake space news.

Show the math.
It is easy. Imagine you are on Earth and want to go to L2. L2 is above you in the sky and in the back is the Sun. So you just take off and go straight away from the Earth with the Sun behind you and, voilà! you arrive at L2 after at month. Speed is reduced all the time due to Earth and Sun gravity, so start with right speed. At arrival L2 you have to dock there, i.e. change direction and speed to that of L2. NASA has never shown any math of it, so why should I?

That’s not math. You’re the one who is making the claims that are contrary to established orbital mechanics and insisting that showing the math is the way of determining legitimacy. So, show the math.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 05, 2022, 07:17:49 PM »
ESA/NASA says that by launching a rocket JWST arrives after a month at L2 and starts orbiting L2. We have seen a rocket taking off ... and that's all. No math shown! And now ESA/NASA has announced JWST is orbiting L2.
I agree that a rocket taking off from Earth orbits only Earth all the time. That rocket cannot start orbiting something else. It will always orbit Earth or, if it stops in its orbit, it will drop back on Earth. I can see that from my window.
I am sorry that ESA/NASA hasn't shown the math of the JWST space trip.


BTW, here’s a small taste of the published information that has been being worked on for 20 years in regards to “showing the math” and references to other aspects of the total orbit solution.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20140008865/downloads/20140008865.pdf

Heiwa is shown to be a bloviating fool and laughable troll yet again.

I have studied the ESA/NASA info about the alleged orbit around Earth that brings JWST from Earth to L2. Of course only Earth and L2 orbit the Sun. It is then the JWST that orbits the Earth, while the altitude above Earth is increased, so it can reach L2. L2 is just a moving point in space, where the gravity of Earth and Sun add up.
The velocity and its direction of the JWST in its elliptical orbit around Earth (and away from the Sun) approaching L2 can be calculated. The velocity is in fact being reduced from the escape velocity leaving Earth to the arrival velocity at L2 due to Earth and Sun gravity, while the direction is always away from the Sun and Earth towards moving L2.

Evidently JWSR cannot slow down and stop at L2. Only the JWST velocity away from the Sun relative Earth must come to zero at L2, while the JWST velocity/direction at L2 must be the same as the velocity/direction of L2 in its orbit around the Sun.

In way JWST must "dock" with L2, like the asstronuts do after taking taking off from Earth to dock with the famous ESA/NASA/Russian Fake/unmanned space station/balloon orbiting Earth in LEO since many years. All these dockings have been fake from the beginning.

So the JWST must slow down and change direction to "stop" at L2. Which is not possible. L2 has no mass and will not attract JWST. And JWST has no engines and fuel to change course and speed in its orbit around Earth. You cannot jump from one orbit around Earth to another orbit around the Sun.

To repeat - L2 is a point with no mass that always orbits the Sun. JWST is a spacecraft that orbits Earth. To change that orbit around Earth to an orbit around the Sun is simply not possible. Thus the JWST is a hoax.

Show the math.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 05, 2022, 12:43:49 AM »
ESA/NASA says that by launching a rocket JWST arrives after a month at L2 and starts orbiting L2. We have seen a rocket taking off ... and that's all. No math shown! And now ESA/NASA has announced JWST is orbiting L2.
I agree that a rocket taking off from Earth orbits only Earth all the time. That rocket cannot start orbiting something else. It will always orbit Earth or, if it stops in its orbit, it will drop back on Earth. I can see that from my window.
I am sorry that ESA/NASA hasn't shown the math of the JWST space trip.

Please provide one instance of a group, organization, institution, company, corporation, or agency that in their general communication with the public “shows the math” in a manner similar to your request. Do airlines “show the math” of airplane navigation? Do utility companies “show the math” of power grid distribution and allocation? Do cell phone carriers “show the math” of a phone call?

That you don’t know where to look for and find information doesn’t mean it does not exist. And that you choose to take simplified public information statements as rigorously accurate descriptions to be used in calculations (or in your case to “gotcha” NASA for being inconsistent) only shows that you don’t know the difference between a press release and an orbital insertion computation.

BTW, here’s a small taste of the published information that has been being worked on for 20 years in regards to “showing the math” and references to other aspects of the total orbit solution.

https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20140008865/downloads/20140008865.pdf

Heiwa is shown to be a bloviating fool and laughable troll yet again.



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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Jwst launches in less than 3 hours
« on: February 02, 2022, 08:57:11 PM »
We all know that it is suggested that the L2 spot (A) orbits the Sun at one altitude/distance/direction/velocity and (B) orbits Earth at another altitude/distance/direction/velocity  but (C) that an object cannot orbit two objects at the same time. Reason is that L2 is not an object.

“An object cannot orbit two objects at the same time.”

Moon orbit Earth.
Moon orbits Sun.

Heiwa has stopped even trying.

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A simple explanation with some force diagrams.

Awesome video! What a great explainer of some mind-blowing, super complex engineering.
Complete rubbish. The L2 point is moving all the time at high speed and can never be reached however you try to aim for it.

Show us why you have such an opinion.
Easy!
Planet Earth is moving in one direction at a certain spreed in 3D space and the Lagrange point L2 is also moving in same direction at another speed in 3D space. Both orbit the Sun at different distances. The distance between Earth and L2  is therefore fixed all the time.
It seems you just have to fly straight away from Planet Earth with the Sun behind you to reach L2, but then you are slowed down all the time due to Sun and Earth gravity forces, while always orbiting Earth.

Speed relative the Sun must be zero at arrival L2 in your orbit around Earth, but then you drop back to Earth again due to gravity. You cannot stop and orbit around L2. Only complete idiots believe so.

“It can’t be done because I say so.”

Yawn.

You’re not very good at this.

More precisely, it can't be done because he doesn't understand it and refuses to learn.

Plenty people say they can fly to the Moon that we see in the sky moving about at high speed. The Moon orbits Earth that orbits the Sun. It takes only five days one way, but nobody can say how it is done. Same with the invisible L2 point in space. Plenty people have sent spacecrafts to L2 but cannot really explain how it is done.

Oh? So you agree now that plenty people HAVE sent spacecrafts to L2. Glad to see you’ve conceded that point. Since you still claim that nobody knows how this works, you’ll have to present evidence of how many people you’ve interviewed. Are you close to the requisite 7.9 billion?

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