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Flat Earth General / Re: Earthquakes ...
« on: Today at 08:03:52 AM »
Duh ... how do they work if the earth is flat and a single contiguous piece of matter ...
What about plate tectonics?
Simple question, really ...
Duh duh ... what flat earth model are you referencing that the earth is a single contiguous piece of matter? What prevents plate tectonics on a flat earth?

Your question isn't simple, it's simplistic.

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A good experiment will be to take edge of space flight in the Mig 29 Fulcrum from Sokol airbase in Russia. It's 16,500 euro. You reach the stratosphere, look at the black sky and see the curvature. I think pilots need to go to Mach 2.0 to reach the stratosphere thats really fun.



http://www.flyajetfighter.com

Many commercial airline flights reach the stratosphere at their cruising altitudes depending on location. Mach 2 is not necessary.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Earthquakes ...
« on: Today at 05:57:15 AM »
What aspects of the round earth model of earthquakes are you interesred in hearing a different explanation in a flat earth model?

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Pi is a special number for straight lines comparisons. It terminates the earliest decimal digits that humans can still be familiar with.

If it comes to Arc realities, it's all about Phew.
Phew never ignores the tiny "umbrellas" either as lengths or as areas.

The more number of series, the more abandoned umbrellas uncounted. Something that is confused with 'straight line' under the assumption of 'approximation'.
What if the approximation gives significant deviation?

By the series method, the amount of abandoned umbrellas has no limit. I can be 10, or 100, or 1000, or 1000000 and so on.
That only matters if the series is divergent.

Helps if you understand limits.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
« on: January 14, 2019, 07:45:51 PM »

Get an entire population to believe a falsehood about their own world and you have great influence over them. If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.

That's an interesting hypothesis that has no basis in fact.

Exactly. The Earth zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h, NO basis in fact whatsoever. Thank you for affirming.

Oooooh. I bet you think that's clever.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
« on: January 14, 2019, 06:53:14 PM »

Get an entire population to believe a falsehood about their own world and you have great influence over them. If you can believe some ludicrous ideology about the Earth being a globe zooming around the universe at over 2 million km/h (using some made up 'Great Attractor as a reference' you will have them believe anything regardless of what their own eyes say otherwise.

That's an interesting hypothesis that has no basis in fact.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What direction is "down"?
« on: January 14, 2019, 12:44:10 PM »
Since the OP was subject to massive derail, I'm still interested in answers, and it's been several months, I'm re-asking the question posed in the OP (copied here for convenience).

Is the direction of "down" parallel at all places on the flat earth?

In this context "down" refers to the direction
 - Of the gravity vector, if you believe in gravity
 - Of the opposite of the Universal Acceleration acceleration vector, if you believe in UA
 - That objects stationary with respect to earth will travel when no longer supported and subjected to no additional forces

If yes, thank you for your answer.
If no, can you specify the conditions under which it's not (i.e., Never, not near the edge, not when there's a large mountain nearby, not when the moon is full, not in Grover's Mill, NJ, etc.).
If no, can you quantify the magnitude? (i.e., It differs all over the earth by 10^-6 radians, it changes near the edge by 0.001 degree, it's not exactly parallel but by an unmeasurable amount, etc.)

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Flat Earth General / Re: Let’s examine the mundane
« on: January 13, 2019, 11:49:16 AM »
As with many conspiracy theories and intellectually dishonest people in arguments on many topics, evidence for the position they choose to take is gospel; evidence against is fake.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why is NASA so rubbish at fakery?
« on: January 13, 2019, 10:06:05 AM »

China didn't land anything on the dark side of the Moon. If you'd like to say they did, then so did the US. The whole thing is dark just as often as it is light.


A thing called metaphor exists. In the 19th century, Africa was commonly referred to as "the dark continent" by Europeans because of it was mysterious to and unexplored by them. The dark side of the moon is the same ... unseen by any human in history until the first lunar orbital photographs. The phrase has nothing to do with actual lighting conditions. And, as "the dark continent" became an archaic and quaint phrase when it no longer had the same context, so may "the dark side of the moon." Doesn't mean that it is an incorrect phrase. Correcting it is just attempting superiority by pedantry.

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Don’t you think you’ll all end up looking a bit silly when all some of the more disgruntled ex staff do is complain about bad management.


No, but I do think that you look a bit silly when you overreact to the acrostic in the OP final line.

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Today, SpaceX announced that its workforce would be decimated.

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-spacex-layoffs-20190111-story.html

All those disgruntled former employees with knowledge of what really goes on. All those former workers who talked about putting in 12 hour days and weekends (read any of the "What's it like to work at SpaceX?" articles online) who were loyal to SpaceX and are now feeling kicked in the teeth and betrayed.

All of the dirt and dirty secrets will now come out. Anyone who saw something suspicious? Look for it on Twitter. Anyone forced to fake data? Payback to Musk for getting dumped. Whistleblowers will be coming out of the woodwork.

It's everything you've been waiting for.

Truly, here is solid indication some stuff about truth is really expected.

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The dozens of Phew topics that danang started are all stagnant, so he had to move to deeper waters to troll. It's not enough that pi is dead, now all of physics is dead.

He clearly needs more and more nonsense to get him off during his trollsturbation sessions.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The dancing congresswoman
« on: January 09, 2019, 09:55:23 PM »

I've seen Mediterranean people darker than her. No one calls them 'brown'.  ::)


It helps to read before replying.

"Turns out that words have different meanings based on context. She's brown, they're black. The words aren't solely based on actual hue."

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The dancing congresswoman
« on: January 09, 2019, 05:21:36 PM »

You and I have vastly different interpretations of what the colour brown is

Your version of brown

My version of brown (actual Kenyans)


Turns out that words have different meanings based on context. She's brown, they're black. The words aren't solely based on actual hue. Otherwise the only white guy I know would be Puddles the clown.

That said, would you believe this guy is actually Sudanese

And his actual name is Siddig El Tahir El Fadil El Siddig Abderrahman Mohammed Ahmed Abdel Karim El Mahdi  :o lol

I would. Coincidentally, I did run across that for the first time a few days ago.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Temper tantrump
« on: January 09, 2019, 05:04:26 PM »
The Great Dealmaker just walked out in a huff of talks to end U.S. Government shutdown that he used to say he owned, but now pawns off on Dems. Paycheck to paycheck workers held hostage by ego of ineffectual poseur. Total indifference and incapacity to empathize with people he says are just like him. Maybe he thinks Fed workers can ask their fathers for a "small loan of $1 million."

Perhaps this is all part of his deal making strategy. Playing the long game here.

Perhaps. It's generous of you to grant that possibility. Time will tell. Let's revisit this in a year and see how things have gone.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The dancing congresswoman
« on: January 09, 2019, 01:31:33 PM »

They also help spread the rumor that AOC is not from the Bronx, but I think that mainly comes from Gateway Pundit.


She's brown and elected to office so she must be from Kenya.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Temper tantrump
« on: January 09, 2019, 01:28:00 PM »
The Great Dealmaker just walked out in a huff of talks to end U.S. Government shutdown that he used to say he owned, but now pawns off on Dems. Paycheck to paycheck workers held hostage by ego of ineffectual poseur. Total indifference and incapacity to empathize with people he says are just like him. Maybe he thinks Fed workers can ask their fathers for a "small loan of $1 million."

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: The "Discuss Your Tech" Thread
« on: January 09, 2019, 10:36:55 AM »
They said I shouldn't, but I made a CRISPR baby.

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Impossible problems of geometry - 2

What is the ratio of the lenghts of the object in the left to the object in the right?



a) 1/3
b) 1/2
c) 2/3
d) 4/5
e) 1/1

Think again. ???  :o

f) other

Since there is no such thing as a "lenght," the ratio of two non-existent things is undefined.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ISS
« on: January 05, 2019, 05:18:33 PM »

Don't you think it's odd that a chemical expert claims ( reflecting on the roadster in space) that things in a vacuum look very different compared to objects inside earth's atmosphere ?


Yeah.

He's full of shit.

Just like you.

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Made some simple code that calculates ...
...
EDIT2: Why do you think pi is wrong?


Because if he didn't say that, then you wouldn't have gone off and made code and graphs and he wouldn't have had the satisfsction of thinking about that during his next trollsturbation session.

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It's my hipothetic question. For I hold a model that there is a huge mirror along the north rim which reflect the Polaris and the surrounding stars whose real position is actually at the celestial south pole.

Thanx for the answer.

No.

Reports and videos show that the further north the observer is, the closer Polaris is to zenith.

There are no credible reports consistent with your model.

You're welcome.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is Qantas killing the passangers?
« on: January 04, 2019, 10:11:42 AM »

So that they have to explain what happened to about a million passangers. I want to believe them, yeah they have not killed the passangers. So where are they?


I talked to them. They're fine.

Evidence of communication and proof they took the flight please

I said so. That's all the evidence and proof that you provide. So there.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is Qantas killing the passangers?
« on: January 03, 2019, 10:08:58 PM »

So that they have to explain what happened to about a million passangers. I want to believe them, yeah they have not killed the passangers. So where are they?


I talked to them. They're fine.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is Qantas killing the passangers?
« on: January 03, 2019, 01:29:29 PM »

If you are to make such statements then you have to back them up.


Not here, you don't. You haven't been around long. That's not a thing here.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is Qantas killing the passangers?
« on: January 03, 2019, 08:30:45 AM »
If passangers are chosed inside homeless people, maybe some of them have nobody to ask about them or maybe some of them have not relatives. This explains why nobody ask their missing relatives whose used Qantas for gone Chile.

If 1,000,000 homeless people are put on flights out of Australia, the 100,000+ homeless people in Australia will have dropped to zero, negating an earlier post about homeless Australians.

Unassailable logic wins again!

(Somebody pass me that libel manual, will ya?)

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Flat Earth General / Re: New Horizons flyby of dwarf planet Ultima Thule
« on: January 02, 2019, 09:49:06 PM »
It's a shame that dutchy can't channel his enthusiastic curiosity and skepticism into producing some actual results. It's great to question the work of others and to press forward with new and revised ideas, but to simply sit back and harumph a universal "I can't believe it" is such a waste and cop out.
I know somebody here (Sandokhan) who has done everything ''you'' have asked from a curious mind without receiving anything but contempt.

I don't care about certain research outside of earth's realm...there are bigger and more prominent things to solve right here than billion dollar projects involving space.
However when those deceitfull liars create a hypothetical reality and shove it down the throat of every infant in the world i have to object to this vile evil and waste of money and resources.
The psychological outcome of modern cosmology is :

1 Earth is just one of many billion possible inhabitant places in the universe (you are tiny, insignificant and irrelevant in the bigger picture)
2 Mankind is a happy cosmic accident with no particular agenda or future goal in mind (no one has a higher induvidual calling from the moment you were born)
3 There is no particular reason why we are here (it is totally personal, subjective and circomstancial how you spend your days on earth)
4 The strongest forces in the universe is probably a super massive blackhole...(darkness is stronger than light...who has promoted such sickening spiritual propaganda ?)

In our days shallow nihilism and consumerism has reached unknown heights...and all of the above observations are part (there is more) of a strong foundation that has brought humanity on a slippery slope of shallow needs and instant gratification, because who or what cares about your insignificance in the bigger picture ?
''Eat'', ''drink'' and ''take'',because tomorrow we will become cosmic particles in an endless void of nothingness and nothing or nobody will care within a few decades.

And listening to an outlet like Lawrence Krauss does not only confirm my observations but brings it even further in evil territory !
But he can spout his garbage while receiving all the credits that comes with being on the wrong side of human destiny.

Finally, some intellectual honesty about motivations behind your and I suspect many on this site have regarding our place in the cosmos.  You and others are basically followers of

Religious Cosmology:  (also mythological cosmology) is a way of explaining the dynamic structure and order of the cosmos or universe as a process, from a religious perspective. ... There are various traditions in religion or religious mythology asserting how and why everything is the way it is and the significance of it all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia › wiki › Religious_cosmology

Father Paul Pavel Gabor, astronomer for the Vatican, explains this quite well, I found some insight from him here.   It’s definetly worth a read...  https://www.space.com/10656-astronomy-religion-cosmos-intersection.html

“Little wonder, then, that the contemplation of the cosmos can evoke the same emotions as religious awe and reverence.” According to him, “this is not always a positive experience.” Just as some may experience fear and trembling when contemplating God and Heaven, there are those who become similarly overwhelmed when confronted with the astronomical proportions of the heavens.

"They find it quite awe-inspiring, but in the wrong way," Gabor notes. "When I show people pictures of the local cluster of galaxies, just to give them a sense of the scale of things, the reaction quite often is, "Oh dear. I'm completely insignificant, and I'm uncomfortable about this whole universe thing."

In Gabor's view, one way to counter this despair is to have faith in a higher power, to believe in a God that created the universe as a gesture of love.

"Faith tells you that the universe is not something to intimidate you, but it is something given to you as a gift, by somebody who wants to give you something nice, something pretty," he says. "So looking at those astronomy pictures, you can either feel that the glass is half full, and believe that you're really being given something here, or you can feel the glass is half empty and this is just frightening and you want to hide in your little rabbit hole somewhere."

Most people on this site believing in FET are glass half empty people I suspect.

And, as usual, his four psychological outcomes adhere to the "this is how I imagine it, therefore it is universally true" model that we've seen so often. Supposition with no follow through of actual data. It would be so nice to see him delving into ideas supported by facts, and not just musings.

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Flat Earth General / Re: New Horizons flyby of dwarf planet Ultima Thule
« on: January 02, 2019, 11:53:50 AM »
It's a shame that dutchy can't channel his enthusiastic curiosity and skepticism into producing some actual results. It's great to question the work of others and to press forward with new and revised ideas, but to simply sit back and harumph a universal "I can't believe it" is such a waste and cop out.

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I understand you're point but the calculations I'm doing are well with in the internal mantissa and are straight forward equations.


Can you point out where my calculation is not within the internal mantissa? Excel holds 15 digits. What's wrong with mine?


If you simplified your initial equation to “=(-1/900000000)*900000000+1” you do indeed get 0.00.


That's the point. The equation done by hand correctly reduces to zero. But I am only giving a concrete example. Suppose A, B, C, D, E, and F are variables

=(((A-(B/C))-D)*E)+F

Then, in the situation when
A = 1
B = 1
C = 900000000
D = 1
E = 900000000
F = 1

the error occurs. It means that you cannot implicitly trust Excel for the correct answer.


This is why it’s important to understand how floating-point calculations work and ensure you’re using properly formatted equations.


I agree it's important to understand how floating point calculations work. Please show in my example where this is a floating point calculation error.


As you can see from the formulas, my equations are very straight forward and do not rely on pi.


Really? The number of triangles that you are summing (the rather bizarre value of 1000507) is dependent on Cell C21, which is the arcsin function.

Since Excel returns ASIN(1) = 1.570796327 (i.e., pi/2), Excel's value of pi is built into the very heart of your calculation.

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I used a spreadsheet to so this.  I assumed a circle with a radius of 1 and broke it up into 251327 triangles.  When I added up the area of all the triangles I got 3.1415875.

If I break it up into ≈1,000,000 triangles and the sum of area of the triangles is 3.141592.



Your example (in which we don't see the formulas) is using calculations where Excel is manipulating lots of small numbers (b ~ 6E-6) and in one case *squaring* that value. But you should be aware that Excel results cannot be treated as infallible.

For example, type the following into a cell in Excel:

=((1-(1/900000000)-1)*900000000)+1

The result *should* be zero, right? And none of these numbers is anywhere near the 15 digit limit where roundoff error might occur.

What does Excel return?

0.000000017179701217173700000000

It can be even more deceptive in cases that look trivial:

=((1-(1/9^9)-1)*9^9)+1

Should be zero, Excel returns

-0.000000014612343779418800000000


So don't take for granted that Excel is always providing you with the correct value when manipulating a million triangles.

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