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Flat Earth General / Re: Horizon
« on: July 06, 2018, 03:13:22 PM »
Wrong. Perspective tends to make the moon and sun 'look bigger' on the horizon.
eg:


That's a telephoto lens pic..  Go and study what telephoto and wide angle lenses do,  compared to a 'standard' lens.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Open minded
« on: July 06, 2018, 03:08:06 PM »
So you are proposing that curvature is a requirement for a horizon to exist?
Yes!    No curvature = no horizon.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Sun's journey across the sky
« on: July 04, 2018, 08:27:41 PM »
2. In Europe I can see the plough but not the southern cross; in Australia it is visa versa. How is this possible in any flat earth model?

I'd like an FEer to explain how I've watched both rise and set in south India.   

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Flat Earth General / Re: Some Questions
« on: July 04, 2018, 08:19:42 PM »
doesn't matter when the belief of the sphere started for the most part because the technology to test those theories and beliefs was not available. There was no airplanes or humongous dams or canals back then. 
All you need to know the earth is not flat are eyes and a working brain. 
You don't need to leave the earth's surface to make the necessary observations which,  combined with an understanding of geometry,  prove it to be approximately spherical.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Open minded
« on: July 04, 2018, 08:14:30 PM »
Specifically for me, the water aspect. If all water finds level but we are supposed to believe that it somehow curves around a ball
Level does not mean flat.  Flat earth believers have trouble with that.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Round Earthers
« on: June 30, 2018, 11:26:55 AM »
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They have no actual proof
There is plenty of actual proof,  as there is plenty of disproof of it being flat.
The proof is all in observation and geometry.  If you understand geometry then you understand the proof.

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The problem is,  this is using simple geometry.   If flat earthers understood simple geometry then they wouldn't be flat earthers!   



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I have seen this on a number of occasions when viewing the moon. It seems to be pointing in a direction that is significantly away from the sun.
Don't forget the sun is 400 times further away than, and 400 times the diameter of the moon.   Your brain wants to see them as the same size and same distance away because they appear the same size in your field of vision.
Get your head around the geometry and scale of things and it all make sense.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Horizon curve
« on: May 30, 2018, 11:11:49 AM »
Supposing that the arguments for the absence of visible curvature on the horizon are all valid

They can't be valid to me as there is no absence of visible curvature.   From a boat at sea I can clearly see the horizon is curved.    It's one curved line all around me.    A straight line couldn't do that!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Undeniable proof
« on: May 30, 2018, 10:52:06 AM »
You can pogo stick vertically on the earth for the same reason you can pogo stick vertically in a fast moving train or airliner.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Revisiting a commonly presented image...
« on: January 23, 2018, 05:31:29 AM »
2:  The bottom of the distant poles are indeed disapperaing [sic] behind the water in that picture!
Please note they are not disappearing (please note correct spelling) behind water.

1:  Spelling correction accepted..  Fair cop!   :)
2:  Where do you think they are then?     I can't see them and I think they're behind the water, over the horizon.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Alaska 67 days of sun and 80 days of night
« on: January 22, 2018, 06:49:05 PM »
By the way,  if anyone does want to know why it has more daylight than dark in reality,  please post the question in 'FE debate'  or 'FE General'  sections and I will happily answer.     :)

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Pilots have never used gyroscopes for attitude (pitch adjustment)  . They use the horizon, or in bad visibility an artificial horizon (which uses gravity) and thus follow the earth's curve automatically.

   And this is my point exactly; why didn't pilots in the pre-1960s need to adjust their pitch once at cruising altitude, until they were approaching their destination, regardless of the flight duration?

Pilots did the same then as they do now..  Use the horizon to trim the plane.    An aeroplane trimmed to fly level will keep a constant altitude so will follow the curve of the earth automatically (all else being equal,  local atmospheric pressure etc).    It  won't fly off in a straight line at a tangent to the earth!     :)

So why do pilots not need to adjust for pitch, yaw, or roll once at cruising altitude, regardless of the duration of the flight? They would fly off in a straight line if they didn't adjust. They must be following a curved level. Kind of like our oceans, curved and level! So lets find some empirical evidence of this mystical curved level.
You thick fucker!   Think!!!!!!!     ::)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Revisiting a commonly presented image...
« on: January 22, 2018, 06:16:02 PM »
All of the supposed "curvature," you see reflected in this picture is a result of lense distortion.

Lens (note correct spelling)
"Lense is accepted as an alternative spelling by Webster's Third New International Dictionary..." -   https://www.google.com/search?q=lense&oq=lense&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.3488j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8distortion
can distort a picture..  It can't actually change what's in the picture.
Correct.
A lens can't make something in the picture (ie: the bottom of the distant poles) disappear behind something else in the picture (ie: the water).
Good thing the bottom of the poles are not disappearing behind the water in that picture!
1:   Fuck Webster's ...  I'm British and Speak English not Americanese.     ;)
https://writingexplained.org/lens-or-lense

2:  The bottom of the distant poles are indeed disapperaing behind the water in that picture!

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Pilots have never used gyroscopes for attitude (pitch adjustment)  . They use the horizon, or in bad visibility an artificial horizon (which uses gravity) and thus follow the earth's curve automatically.

   And this is my point exactly; why didn't pilots in the pre-1960s need to adjust their pitch once at cruising altitude, until they were approaching their destination, regardless of the flight duration?

Pilots did the same then as they do now..  Use the horizon to trim the plane.    An aeroplane trimmed to fly level will keep a constant altitude so will follow the curve of the earth automatically (all else being equal,  local atmospheric pressure etc).    It  won't fly off in a straight line at a tangent to the earth!     :)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Revisiting a commonly presented image...
« on: January 22, 2018, 11:17:24 AM »
All of the supposed "curvature," you see reflected in this picture is a result of lense distortion.

Lens (note correct spelling)  distortion can distort a picture..  It can't actually change what's in the picture.
A lens can't make something in the picture (ie: the bottom of the distant poles) disappear behind something else in the picture (ie: the water).

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Pilots have never used gyroscopes for attitude (pitch adjustment)  . They use the horizon, or in bad visibility an artificial horizon (which uses gravity) and thus follow the earth's curve automatically.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Death of Heliocentricity
« on: January 21, 2018, 07:53:34 AM »
CGI rendering of the heliocentric model (depicting the complete revolutionary movement of the Sun as it travels throughout the Milky Way)

Why would you trust CGI as proof of anything?     I've seen posts where you decry actual photographs of earth as CGI,  and therefore proof of nothing.


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Flat Earth General / Re: Rowbotham: Real or imaginary?
« on: January 18, 2018, 05:53:52 PM »
Seems he survived into the photographic era.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Quantitative model for duration of daylight
« on: January 18, 2018, 05:47:04 PM »
Rowbotham's philosophy decries creating models and theories in favor of the Zetetic method of observing and concluding.
How do you think models and theories are arrived at?    ::)   Observing and concluding!   
The model of a spherical earth isn't just plucked from nowhere..   It's the result of observations and conclusions based on proven geometry.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Alaska 67 days of sun and 80 days of night
« on: January 18, 2018, 05:38:12 PM »
It's actually the opposite,   80 days of light and 67 days of night.  (in northern Alaska not all of Alaska!).
I'm not allowed to explain why here as it's spherical earth stuff and this is the FE Q&A.   
I hope my simple statement of fact is ok with the moderators and doesn't get deleted as a 'round earth' answer.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How?
« on: January 16, 2018, 09:24:10 AM »
For most of my life I'd have thought most sane people fell into two categories,  those who know the earth's a sphere because they've looked at the evidence,    and those who've never really thought about it and wouldn't understand the evidence anyway. 
The flat earth movement has recruited lots of people from the latter since having the internet has become as common as having a television.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Uhmm Magnetic Fields?
« on: January 15, 2018, 05:41:04 AM »
All existing magnets have to have two poles...    That's part of being a magnet.    I know the FEers say there isn't a south geographic pole and south just means 'away from the north pole',   but where's the FE south magnetic pole?       

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Flat Earth General / Re: Stuff on my iphone.
« on: January 15, 2018, 04:33:11 AM »
Right now in northern Canada, I'm sharing daylight with
Most of Australia, most of SA and of course Antarctica.
Looking at the posting time, and it was definitely completely dark round here in northern England.     If that's a flat earth spotlight shining on you and Oz,  it's doing some clever stuff to miss out shining on me!       ;D
I don't know where you are, but they have a real lazy sun at Newcastle on Tyne!
            On the 15th is doesn't get up till 8:22 am and sets again at 4:10 pm - not even awake for 8 hours.
Here in Brisbane, Australia, it's a much more hardworking sun!
            On the 15th was out of bed bright and early by 5:06 am (well before I was) and kept hard at it till 6:47 pm, over 13 hours 40 mins!   

Of course right now it's only a bit after mid-day there, and after 10 PM here.
Yep..  Not too far from Newcastle on a global scale..  Similar latitude but near the opposite coast..    Glad to be past the solstice so 'our'  sun is getting less lazy by the day,  as 'yours'  is getting tired.   ;)
I love the midsummer 8 hour nights,  when it never quite gets fully dark over the northern horizon here...   Are you far enough south to be having the same effect over your southern horizon at the moment?     That and the long twilight..    When I lived in India for a while years ago I really missed that..    It was never far from 12 hour light and dark all year round,  and it goes dark and gets light very quickly when the sun sets and rises.
Another effect FE could never explain I suppose...   The longer twilight as you get nearer the arctic/antarctic circles.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Stuff on my iphone.
« on: January 15, 2018, 04:05:25 AM »
Right now in northern Canada, I'm sharing daylight with
Most of Australia, most of SA and of course Antarctica.
Looking at the posting time, and it was definitely completely dark round here in northern England.     If that's a flat earth spotlight shining on you and Oz,  it's doing some clever stuff to miss out shining on me!       ;D

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What does aether taste like?
Ethyl ether tastes a lot like alcohol.    Supposedly a better effect too,  but it's not very good for you.    :)

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Flat Earth General / Re: Osiris-Rex pic
« on: January 15, 2018, 03:36:57 AM »
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scrolling

There's a great feature it took me  a couple of visits to spot..     If you click on the 'C' with wings at the bottom right it sets off scrolling itself at the (scaled)   speed of light.         8)

Link again to save a scroll back up here.       http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is gravity real?
« on: January 14, 2018, 05:03:14 AM »
I am real, but also outside the boundaries and laws of your 'time'
What?     :-\     How exactly do you think you are outside the boundaries of time?   

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: NASA Secretly Uses Kinda Phew Flat Earth Map
« on: January 14, 2018, 04:52:19 AM »
hemisplane

What's a hemisplane?      A hemisphere is half a sphere,   so I assume a hemisplane is half a splane,  but what is a splane?   

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Flat Earth General / Re: Osiris-Rex pic
« on: January 14, 2018, 04:29:38 AM »
the immense distances involved.

This is a good one too....    To-scale solar system map on one extremely wide webpage!       :)

  http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html

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