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What is happening is an occurrence common within The FES:

Round Earth believers will pose a question they feel will somehow negate or cast doubt on FET.  They do not anticipate that FEers will have a legitimate answer to their question.  After receiving it, the REers then attempt, in sometimes the most original fashion, to debunk the FEers response.     

There is then a bit of back and forth until the REers wave the white flag when they could have done that right from the start.

Thats because the flat earth response is made from ignorance of the topic or by false observations or assumptions.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INERTIA
« on: August 13, 2017, 11:07:33 AM »
Sentinel, DON'T PLAY WITH LIGHTERS, STRAW IN YOUR HEAD COULD GET INFLAMED!




In all honesty I do not know what you are asking.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INERTIA
« on: August 13, 2017, 06:14:51 AM »
...Wall of text...

Sigh....Instead of some hypothetical thesis based on faulty knowledge and logic.

Go find a rifle range and fire a rifle east and then fire that same rifle west at targets a mile away and you will find you will hit one target consistently but miss the other consistently.  Why?  Because of the earths rotation. 

Once you do that.  Fire North vs South and you will notice you will miss left when you fire north and miss right when you fire south.

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A person with less vision will see even less. Now how many people do you know that have 20/20 vision?

I personally know nobody .

About 35 percent of the population  has 20/20 vision.  That doesnt include those who have had LASIC.  I dont  think you really know what 20/20 is let alone how anything else in the world works.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Solar eclipse...
« on: August 05, 2017, 10:40:42 AM »
question is, why in the video on the NASA site, having them SHOW and explain how it happens... the earth is spinning the opposite way of the moons rotation when our ENTIRE LIVES we have been told that the moon rotates the same way as the earth but the earth is 27x faster than the moon.... so in all actuality... the shadow of the Eclipse should be moving west to east as the earth is rotating the same way and faster than the moon!?!?!?! any video you look for this or ANY eclipse it ALWAYS shows the rotations in opposite directions... wtf is up with that!?

here is the LINK on NASA's site

https://nasasearch.nasa.gov/search?query=solar+eclipse&affiliate=nasa&utf8=%E2%9C%93

Here is the actual video link...



VIDEO MADE BY NASA.

so I just find that very confusing as I was a Advanced Physics major so those trajectories make NO sense what so ever.

It is confusing, but they are showing the eclipse from the moons perspective as it crosses the earth.  The moon is traveling slightly faster then the earths rotation, so the shadow moves west to east.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Experiment with the Moon
« on: August 05, 2017, 09:11:08 AM »
On August 8, we will have a full moon. Time to do the experiment.

How did you come up with August 8th?  Did you use the calculations done by the heliocentric model or the flat earth model?  If the flat earth please post your info.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Polaris Question
« on: August 05, 2017, 08:43:26 AM »

Because he is a pathetic little man with no life. Clearly all those around him in the physical world ignore him as he adds nothing to their existence, so he comes to these forums where the attention his posts get give him some twisted sense of belonging.

He believes that being a troll gives him some tiny sliver of power and importance. He doesn't realize that to the rest of us he is merely an archetype, a caricature, and we respond to what he represents, not to him as  an individual.

Then we should all ignore him.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Polaris Question
« on: August 05, 2017, 08:15:46 AM »
Still no photo!!!

Are you ignoring my post about the Southern Cross?
Yes

And you are ignoring the photos, which was the first thing that I had asked for when this thread was started. Thus my photos are before your question and will not be addressed until somebody provide two photos...

I provided better proof.  Why would you not accept that?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Verrazano-Narrows Bridge
« on: August 04, 2017, 03:33:45 PM »
4,265 feet tall and they vary 2" at the top. This couldn't possibly be human error?  Also what is the deflection of these towers?  Way more then 2" I assume. This doesn't prove anything.

The two towers are straight up and down.  PERFECT PLUMB!  So explain how you can have two towers perfect plumb be different distances apart at the base vs the top on a flat earth.

Soil density. Heavy items usually settle over time.

Did you not understand what I wrote?  First, they build to bedrock so that that settling does no happen.  You know, so the bridge doesnt crumble from the settling.  SECOND:  THE TOWERS ARE STILL PLUMB (STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN) YET THEY DIFFER IN DISTANCE AT THE BASE VS THE TOP.

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I found this video on YouTube where somebody measured the sun diameter to be 41.79 miles.

To me it does not sound right, but it took the sun 2 minutes and 25 seconds to travel it's diameter distance.

From tiemanddate.com he got the speed of the sun to be 1037.7 miles/hour

when you do the math, it come out to be 41.79  miles.



OK all you heliocentric high priest, tell me where his mistake was?

Thats not the speed of the sun, that is the apparent motion of the sun due to the earths rotation.  Thats like you standing in the middle of the room and spinning and calculating that your chair is 2 inches wide because it only took 3 seconds to travel its distance.

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Can an object have a smaller shadow than its size?

Can somebody show me a photo, where an object's shadow is much smaller, about 3% of the objects size when a light source is very far way.

Travel close to the equator and you will notice your shadow getting shorter.

Now a question for you:
According to the flat earth model, if the Moon and Sun are the same size and elevation how can an eclipse happen.  Secondly why would an eclipse only darken a portion of the earths surface and not the entire surface.  (If a place a tennis ball in front of a flashlight, the whole room gets dark)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Polaris Question
« on: August 04, 2017, 03:10:31 PM »
Still no photo!!!

Are you ignoring my post about the Southern Cross?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Polaris Question
« on: August 02, 2017, 04:55:48 PM »
All the spherical Earth Believer say that Polaris is a big problem for the Flat Earthers.

I really don’t remember much from my astronomy class, but I’m willing to give it a shot at this problem.

But, before all the Heliocentric High Priest jump on me with science that I will need days to read, let start with the basics.

You say that Polaris can’t be seen from the Southern Hemisphere and thus the Earth is a sphere. Bottom line, this is your argument and it sound very reasonable.

I understand that, but my rebuttal is that on a Flat Earth, Australia, South Africa and Argentina are at different locations on the map. You have to prove that on any given night out of the years, the observatories located in these countries, preferably closer to the South Pole, will see the exact same stars in the night sky.

I’m not talking about a computer model, but actual photos that people can go to a website and download them and have a date and time stamp on them.

If you fail to do so, then your Polaris argument has no merit and it brings into big question the validity of the heliocentric fair-tail.

I did a couple of hours searching on the internet today, but I could not find any photos with a date and time stamp from the observatories. Maybe if more people are looking we can find something.

Without these photos, no debate can be start about Polaris, since we have not confirmed that in the southern hemisphere, the people have the same views of the stars in Australia, South Africa and Argentina.

I present to you, the Southern Cross Constellation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_depicting_the_Southern_Cross

I will leave it up to you to determine what this signifies.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Verrazano-Narrows Bridge
« on: August 02, 2017, 04:38:03 PM »
4,265 feet tall and they vary 2" at the top. This couldn't possibly be human error?  Also what is the deflection of these towers?  Way more then 2" I assume. This doesn't prove anything.

The two towers are straight up and down.  PERFECT PLUMB!  So explain how you can have two towers perfect plumb be different distances apart at the base vs the top on a flat earth.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Verrazano-Narrows Bridge
« on: July 31, 2017, 04:26:13 PM »
really 41 mm and you are basing a round earth theory on this. First there are many explanations for this and probably many of them impinge on this.
1) the Bridges are old and there would be settling of the footings.
2) Bridges are flexible in design. A determinate steel and suspension bridge like the VZ must move and must be flexible or else it will fail catastrophically due to wind, movement of traffic and anything else that could induce harmonic vibration.
3)We have no way of knowing if they were exactly level when the bridge was built. The bridge could have been off 20 mm and the # 1 and # 2 could have impinged up it causing another 20mm of change.

No, no, no.

The towers as of this date are plumb. 
The towers as of this date are further apart at the top then at the bottom.

If bridge towers are set into bedrock or deep enough to keep from "settling"  Because this would cause the bridge to fail.
Bridges are designed to take into account the expansion and contraction of metals and cables that has nothing to do with the plumb of the towers.  If the bridge wasnt plumb it would fall.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: More Utterly Undeniable Proof of Flat Earth!
« on: July 26, 2017, 07:31:35 PM »
Fellow Flat Earthers and respected Globers. I have been working on this experiment for a few months now and believe I have disproved the spinning globe model of our planet, while simultaneously proving the Flat Earth model!

I graduated from the school of engineering and applied sciences at the George Washington University with a degree in Mechanical Engineering and am two years into a PhD at Carnegie Mellon University. I was introduced to the idea of FE by one of my classmates midway through last school year. I’ll admit at first, I was dubious about what she was telling me. After a couple of days of research, however, it all started to make sense. With a few sentences, she had opened up my mind to a level I thought was never possible. How could I have been brainwashed for all these years?



As time went on, I started realizing that there was a slight disconnect with the FE theories and the scientific methods I was learning in school. A lot of Globers were telling me that if I put these ideas to the “test”, the FE model would not hold up. In my heart though, I knew these ideas were right, and using the scientific methods and theories I have learned over the course of my education, I believe I have proved it! Below, I will describe to you how I did it.
 
*Disclaimer: I apologize to any other Flat Earthers who may have run similar tests. I have done a lot of research on this topic and have not seen anything like it on the web, but I am only human, so I may have missed the articles or blog posts.
 
To understand my method and logic, I must first explain a phenomenon that occurs from the spinning globe model that Globers believe in. If the earth were a spinning ball, centrifugal force would cause the equator to bulge out a little causing cities near the equator to be farther from the center of the earth than cities farther away from the equator. Below is an image to show this:



The globe on the left is what most Globers imagine the earth to look like. The “scientifically accurate” version of this model looks like the image on the right.
            Now, based on scientists’ theories of gravity, the farther you are from the center of the earth, the lower the acceleration of gravity. Therefore, if I measured the acceleration of gravity at two different locations on the planet, they should be different. BUT WE FLAT EARTHERS KNOW THAT THIS IS PREPOSTEROUS.
Since the earth is flat, it is just accelerating at 9.807 m/s^2 in space creating a uniform gravitational field. This means that if Flat Earth is correct, no matter where I measure the acceleration of gravity, I should get the same value… and that’s exactly what happened. Here is how I went about doing the experiment.



 I am originally from NY state and that’s where I took my first measurements. I used a condo that my uncle owns in up state New York to run my tests. I used an iPhone 7 video camera to record myself jumping, then analyzed the video frame by frame to measure my acceleration. Below is one of the frames from one of the trials.
 
I propped the phone using a vice and did not move it during all trials for the day. I was sure to mark exactly where everything was relative to everything else before taking my phone for the night. I also knew how far I was jumping from the camera with great accuracy (to within micrometers). I also measured my height to within micrometers. Using these two values, I was able get an extremely accurate value for my height off the ground for each frame. Since I knew the frame rate of the camera, I had a plot of my distance from the ground as a function of time. Using a simple formula, I was able to calculate the acceleration.

 I did this with 100 different jumps to account for random error. I then took a trip out to Indonesia and stayed with some relatives who live very close to the equator to run another 100 jumps. Here are plots of the results:




As you can see, the average is 9.807 m/s^2 in both places! I crunched the numbers and if the earth was actually a spinning globe, in the New York state location, I would be 19 km closer to the center of the earth so I should have measured 9.809 m/s^2. While in Indonesia, I should have measured 9.805. As you can see in the zoomed in plots, my data does not hit these values even with random error.
 
I have peer reviewed that data my self and even showed some of my colleagues who agree with me. I urge other Flat Earthers and Globers alike to run similar experiments so we can finally end this nonsensical argument once and for all!

So you did an unscientific experiment jumping that has a variable that you cant account for.  Your ability to jump exactly the same 100 times.  SIGH....

Why dont you do this. 

Buy this scale:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06WD3C2KV?psc=1

Buy this calibration weight:
https://www.amazon.com/Calibration-Weight-Digital-Pocket-Scales/dp/B003EH4SPE/ref=pd_sim_328_5?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B003EH4SPE&pd_rd_r=QB6EFA639PRNY60GAVWJ&pd_rd_w=Gv8TP&pd_rd_wg=2Wra8&psc=1&refRID=QB6EFA639PRNY60GAVWJ

Calibrate your scale and meassure in one location, then travel north or south a few hundred miles and take a second measurement and you will see that the scale will be slightly off.  which proves the weight being slightly different at different locations.

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Please show location where it states that you change your gyroscope during flight...

For fucks sake....Please show the location where a pilot must keep turning LEFT when he flies East on a flat earth.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: For Spherical Earth Believers Only
« on: July 26, 2017, 06:00:58 PM »
I'm serious now, can you please list all engineering construction projects that took into account the curvature of the earth.

I am not a bridge engineer, but I would assume any bridge would have to account for curvature.  The towers of large suspension bridges are further apart at the top then the base despite being perfectly plumb.  This is something you can verify yourself.

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The Bible is true and I just busted your whole Heliocentric Theory and evolution, with one post.

And let me remind you

Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

In three lines it talks about creation of time, space, matter and energy.

Short and to the point.

Busted!!!

Wait...is this the same book that cant decide which day God made light?

Genesis 1:4-5
God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Genesis 1:16-19
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night ... to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

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Try this math for size:

Have you heard of leap year, every 4 years we add a date to the calendar (February 29).

There is also something called leap second.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leap_second

Since this system of correction was implemented in 1972, 27 leap seconds have been inserted, the most recent on December 31, 2016 at 23:59:60 UTC

So the rate that the leap second is added is

27 seconds / 44 years = 0.613636364 seconds/year
.

What does that actually means?

Last year the earth needed 0.614 seconds to complete it’s revolution.

Than in turn means that last year was spinning faster than this year.

No, No, No, NO!

First, going by that logic Earth spun slower requiring a leap second to bring back in time. 

Second, the Leap Second and Leap Days are added because the time it takes for the earth to revolve around the sun is not exactly 365 days and the rotation is not exactly 24 hours.  So to keep from Winter happening in July, Leap Days are added and to keep Noon the time when the sun is highest in the sky the Leap Seconds are added

Third Leap seconds are not added on a schedule like Leap Days, because there are other factors that affect the rotation of the Earth.  The moon, tidal forces and earthquakes all affect the Earths rotation.

Let extrapolate the math at this rate:




We see that in the bible timeline, the earth rotation is very close to our about 23 hours in a day, but at 140,800 years, the earth spins at 60 RPM, that is 60 revolutions per minute.

At 1 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of about 480 RPM
At 100 million years ago, the earth rotated at a rate of 42,613.6 RPM

But let me guess, gravity was much stronger back them and kept everything in place…

Busted!!!

Dude, your math is based on a false assumption made above.

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In the old day, when flying was new, it must have been very hard for the pilot to dip the airplane every 2 minutes to keep it level on a spherical earth. A trip of 10 hours would require 300 dips and no time for the pilot to get a coffee and talk to the passengers.
But in the airlines commercials they had the pilot talking to the passengers. Kinda makes you want to think about everything

Jesus Christ you guys and this false nose dip.  Do pilots have to keep turning the plane to the left when they fly east on a flat earth model?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Video Proof
« on: June 30, 2017, 03:58:59 PM »
I'll never see them because they do not exist. They only exist in the heads of people who are brainwashed or still brainwashed to this very day, regardless of age.

How does flat earth explain http://www.amusingplanet.com/2013/10/the-shadow-of-mount-rainier.html

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Video Proof
« on: June 28, 2017, 04:15:44 PM »

I walk up to any global Earth believer and I do this, naked. Naked in front of the world.
I ask the same of the person who is going to show me that we live on a global Earth with spin.
I tell you to grab your tools and walk with me to a reachable destination and with nothing other than the tools you are carrying in your hands...show me your global spinning Earth.

The things you CANNOT have and do not exist for you, are:

1.No books.
2. No internet.
3.No telephone or communication devices.
4.No electronic telescopes or optical equipment that uses it.


Anything else you can use.

Easy, all I will need is rifle, a supply of ammo and two targets placed 2 miles apart aligned East-West.  We shall stand in the middle of the two targets and you can fire at the East Target until you are able to hit it and then with the same sight calibrations  we will face West and watch as you endlessly keep hitting short of the target.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A question about whistle blowers
« on: June 27, 2017, 07:08:43 PM »
You can't have an expedition unless you first obtain a permit.  You can't obtain a permit unless you sumbit your entire plan for review.  If you can not afford the millions upon millions of dollars that you would have to submit proof of having, then you don't get the permit.  What part of this confuses you?

If the "Flat Earth Society" was that determined to prove the world flat and Antarctica being key to the conspiracy you would think they could scrounge up the required cash and fund an expedition.  It would be much easier then sending a man to space. 

Regardless, you would need a considerable amount of money and equipment to go to Antarctica "Permission" or not. just to ensure you are able to return alive.  It isnt like taking a trip to your local Amusement Park.  It is a good distance away and the conditions are pretty harsh.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A question about whistle blowers
« on: June 27, 2017, 06:16:07 PM »

Are you claiming that people do not get arrested, imprisoned, and fined for trying to go to Antarctica without permission?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/10291142/Norwegian-viking-won-t-pay-Antarctica-fine

I think the key word in your post is "PERMISSION".  Meaning if you contacted the appropriate people about your mission to trek across the continent (provided you had proper equipment) OR just contacted them to set up a camera for a 24 hour period to conduct a sun light experiment.  You could get permission.

Do you support the notion that there is a large armada of ships patrolling around the entire earth keeping people out?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A question about whistle blowers
« on: June 27, 2017, 05:49:18 PM »
The janitor at NASA does not need to know what shape the Earth is to do his job.  Same with the rest of them.  ::)

Janitors may not be in direct know.  But janitors have some of the highest clearances in most places because they have to clean offices, labs and work areas where they may encounter top secret information.

Take NASA and multiply it for Russia, Japan, China, a half dozen (or more) countries in Europe, India, Pakistan etc..

Anyone who works on ICBM guidance

Others have pointed out a dozen or so occupations that could not be done without knowing the truth about earths shape.

If you want to add that there is a secret patrol keeping people from getting to Antarctica, then you can easily tack on the crew needed for the thousands of ships (and their relief personnel to provide some sort of work rotation).

The worst evidence you have for a conspiracy is the stupid "flat earth map" on the NATO flag.  This is a conspiracy that is so deep and thought out they would leave out a mistake like that?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Video Proof
« on: June 27, 2017, 04:53:31 PM »
Don't get a bad impression of scepti, I don't think he actually uses the ignore functions of the forums, he just chooses his battles.  I have been in full on nothing nut name slinging "conversations" with him.  We still answer each other. 
He isn't just some asshole troll, I think he is wrong and blinded from his paranoia, nut overall he is still a good guy who is willing to verbally spar a bit.  He can be maddening in his interpretations of your questions and answers to him, but at least he continually reminds folks that it's his interpretation and maybe not what you have to agree with.
He is not inky level retarded by any stretch.
Oh I grant you all that.  But he does use the ignore button, he has told me so.
It's mostly when you question him, not so much when you present evidence or even name call.

I think I got myself on that list, he wont answer my question.  He asks for "Proof" but I could take a picture or video of my very trip into space and he wouldnt believe it.  If he saw it with his own eyes he wouldnt believe it.  These people are deep in the conspiracy pool.  Or trolls

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Video Proof
« on: June 26, 2017, 04:27:04 PM »
I want real evidential proof that Earth is a rotating globe.
Nobody has provided any proof, except constant digs and attempted ridicule, which is a waste of time as it proves nothing.

All clear minded, logical thinking people out there, you owe it to yourselves to question everything, including this nonsense global spin.

All I ever see jumping into this topic is globalists of old and plenty of ready made new ones that just happen to be well versed to just jump into topics as if they've been on this forum for years.....hmmmmm....welll, you get what I'm saying.

Regardless of who's playing who on here, none of you have proved a global spinning Earth and attempted ridicule of me, does not prove a global spinning Earth.

Why are you avoiding my question?  How are two bridge towers further apart at the top than at the base not proof of a global earth?  How does a flat earth explain that?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Video Proof
« on: June 24, 2017, 11:18:37 AM »
When the genuine people come in and ask about this stuff, I'll be glad to explain.
However, I expect the genuine people to have already got the basics of it to be able to see what's what.
I can't be bothered to deal with frenzied irrationals.

I just dont understand how two towers further away at the top then at the base is proof of a flat earth.  Please, enlighten me.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Video Proof
« on: June 24, 2017, 11:11:17 AM »

Killing off their own globe by using bridges and sunsets, etc, that they think proves it.

Once again, explain your point.  Explain how the bridges prove a flat earth.

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