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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Equinox is coming
« on: September 21, 2016, 08:55:58 PM »
KEEP LYING ABOUT YOUR EVIL FLAT EARTH AS MUCH AS YOU WANT.

MY FATHER DIED.

I DON'T CARE ANY MORE FOR YOUR FLAT BULL SHIT.
BELEIVE WHATEVER YOU LIKE.
HATE YOUR SCIENCE TEACHERS, MOCK THEM WITH FLAT EARTH.
LET DUBAY, SKIBA, JERA, DITRH AND OTHERS SCAM THE SHIT OUT OF YOU.
COVER YOURSELVES WITH YOUR SALAD BOWL WITH STAR STICKERS.

YOU DESERVE WHATEVER YOU GET.

VOLTAIRE AND EINSTEIN WERE RIGHT.
STUPIDITY WILL ALWAYS BE PART OF MANKIND
AND NOBODY CAN EVER DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

good bye, fools.

this is even worse than flat earth.

my father is dead.

~~~~~

EDIT: Just came to apologize for bad words.
Sorry.
Bye.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: PROOF that NASA is Satanic!
« on: September 20, 2016, 09:49:56 PM »
The earth was proven round over 2000 years before NASA existed.

no it wasnt you idiot......

Sorry to disappoint you.

According to Diogenes Laertius, "Pythagoras was the first Greek who called the Earth round;
though Theophrastus attributes this to Parmenides, and Zeno to Hesiod."

Plato accepted Sphere Earth model.
He claimed "The Earth is in the center of Heavens, and sphere is ideal shape for that."
Everything on Earth tends to center of Heavens, compressing it into sphere.

Aristotle proved sphere. Eratosthenes measured it. Ptolemy well documented it.

Nowadays you can find any geodesist and ask.
Two verticals, that are 60 nautical miles apart, are not parallel. There is tilt between them of one degree.

Two verticals that are one nautical mile apart have tilt between them of one arcminute. That is how nautical mile was defined in the first place.

Shape of the Earth was not "invented in theory".
It is measured more than once.
For example, learn about "French Geodesical Mission in Peru."

And see this video:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67845.msg1815153#msg1815153

"some ancient people thought the earth was round therefore they proved it" nice logic kid.....

"Therefore"? Learn some more English.
The word "therefore" represents causal relation.
You used it wrong in your sentence.

Aristotle proved it by observation.
Not like some people try to "prove" Flat Earth by "strong desire and pure belief".

Or as spoiled 12 year olds by force and by calling names.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: 10 questions that globers dont want you to ask.....
« on: September 20, 2016, 09:29:56 PM »
if we live on a spinning globe......

We do.

1. how come when you jump you dont land in a different spot?? and dont use that car and train argument cause they are not spinning globes......

When you stand on Earth you go along the spin and maintain the speed.
Air around you does the same.

When you jump, should you suddenly lose that speed without something to slow you down?
Ever heard of INERTIA?

2. how is the earth so large you cant see the curve from a airplane yet so small ships sink over the horizon?

From an airplane you look at distant horizon from aside.
From ground you look at curve along it.
Ever looked a branch or longer wire along?
Looking aside makes you think it is straight.

3. why is every picture of earth cgi?? and yes it is cgi unless you think landmasses change sizes in short periods of time......

Every? Who lied to you?
Landmasses do not change sizes. It is something you imagined.

4. why do all flight paths work on a flat earth map? if the world was a globe you would have flight paths that take advantage of the globe shape for shortcuts but you dont.......

Actually every flight works on Globe. No plain ever took detour to some Flat Earth.
Companies didn't sell any ticket to places on Flat Earth.
Try to draw flight from Sydney, Australia to Santiago, Chile on Flat and on Globe.

5. nasa was founded by nazis...... why would you believe what nazis have to say?

Nazis were defeated 1945. NASA was founded 1958 by USA government.
I don't know any nazi working for NASA, but it proves nothing.
However, I know one rocket scientist that was working for nazis until 1945,
then for US Army until 1958,
and then for NASA.

6. why wont the goverment let independent researchers in antarctica?? and dont tell me its cause they want to keep it a wild life reserve...... you are naive if you think a goverment wouldnt want to mine that......

What kind of "Independent Researchers"? You mean mining and drilling prospectors?
There are greedy people everywhere.
But makers of Antarctica Treaty knew that it is better to protect the continent than to risk WW3.

7. if satellites are orbitting the earth why dont satellite dishes need to constantly turning??

Because there is geostationary orbit where satellites follow Erath's spin.
It is orbit at about 22 250 miles above Equator. Satellite there has same angular speed as Earth below.

8. why is nasa going to discontinue there iss 24 livestream?? there is no reason to unless they want to hide the fact it is cgi.......

NASA Announces Changes to International Space Station Coverage
NOTE: These changes will not affect live video streams from the International Space Station.
Viewers can continue to see live video, as long as the ISS has signal, at
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-iss-stream and via
the High Definition Earth Viewing (HDEV) payload at http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/HDEV/.

The NASA TV channel is phasing out a daily, 30 minute show called "Space Station Live,"
which is not the same as the live video feeds from the station
.

9. why dont people need to account for curvature when building train tracks?

Because builders have to account for terrain configuration,
and terrain already follows the curvature of Earth.

10. if space is real and accessable why havent birds evolved to fly there?? evolution would dictate that they would to get away from predators........

Birds did evolve to fly, but they didn't evolve to breathe vacuum.
Neither were we.
Birds fly by pushing air down using wings.
There is no air in space.
Before space, in air, temperature already drops.
At 35 000 feet the temperature is -65 Fahrenheit (-54 Celsius).
Even when migrating birds don't fly that high.

Also, birds have to eat.
Going away from predators 500 miles "up, up, and away" would make them go "down, down, and back" another 500 miles for meal.
So, easier is to fly away horizontally.

i know no globers will probably answer this you will probably all run away and cry that your religion has been destroyed.....

Flat Earth religion destroyed? I don't think so.
Not even simplest, easiest to understand Globe facts can help you.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How can rivers flow on flat earth.
« on: September 20, 2016, 08:38:12 PM »
Why would the water fall off of a round earth? Gravity pulls everything to the center.

thing is gravity is a hoax.......

I worked 11 years in technical school.
We didn't measure Gravitational Constant ("big G") as it requires much more precision and time.

But we did simplified version of Cavendish Experiment many times, to prove that gravity itself DOES EXIST.
You can use setting like in this video:

You don't have to trust the video.
Dare you to do it yourself.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Star Proximity
« on: September 20, 2016, 08:12:03 PM »
...
It's like if you had a handful of campfires, or torches, or lightbulbs, the biggest/brightest ones you could find, and you placed them within a mile radius of empty space, is that piece of empty space going to look discernably brighter than another piece of empty space beside it without the lightbulbs and so on?
Of course not.
...

Correct.

That's why between stars you have all that blackness.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Common Perception of Gravity does exist.
« on: September 20, 2016, 08:04:06 PM »
If they presented me with concrete evidence through testing and sorts, then yes I would be persuaded.

Not all people are the same.

Present Flat Earther true measures of the Earth (from real life),
they will still believe Earth is flat, and measures were wrong (or conspiracy).

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Wikipedia - Gravimeter.

Scroll down to Absolute and Relative gravimeters.

(We already talked about "almost perfect" vacuum in CRT. Same or similar vacuum is used in some absoulte gravimeters.)

~~~~~

About parachute:
You go up in an airplane, pressing the air upwards.

The air you pressed is above you.
When you jump, that air is pressing you down.
Below you is reduced quantity of air, because you pushed most of it up.

Opening parachute will not reduce quantity of air pressed above you,
neither will increase quantity of air expanded below you,
and will not slow you down.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Definite proof - Moon Landing A Hoax
« on: September 20, 2016, 07:43:57 PM »
So, astronauts were unable to survive VAB's, and that's why they weren't to the Moon?
Then, do VAB's exist or not?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Project Blue Beam
« on: September 20, 2016, 07:34:03 PM »
Quote

Masonry is the building of structures from individual units laid in and bound together by mortar;
the term masonry can also refer to the units themselves.

The common materials of masonry construction are brick, building stone such as
marble, granite, travertine, and limestone, cast stone, concrete block, glass block, and cob.

Masonry is generally a highly durable form of construction.
However, the materials used, the quality of the mortar and workmanship,
and the pattern in which the units are assembled can significantly affect
the durability of the overall masonry construction.

A person who constructs masonry is called a mason or bricklayer.


My father in 1959 built his (our) first house, where I was born in 1960, and my sister in 1964.
So, he was mason, before he retired.
He was, and still is, Orthodox Christian.
My mother is Roman Catholic.

I'm neither.

I can say I could believe in God, but I'm not sure.
(Sorry, God, my nature requires proof. If you created me, you already know that.)

In religions I don't believe at all. It is all politics.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Is Not Round And has 33 Extra Continents
« on: September 20, 2016, 07:14:21 PM »

we live on the flat earth....... the solar system is a lie..... all cgi...... venus is 100000s of miles away at best........


Sorry, we don't know your model, and how it differs from most common one.

Can you say, if the Earth is flat, how one side (northern hemisphere) sees one stars and constellatiions
and other side (southern hemisphere) completely different stars and different constellations in the same night?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Is Not Round And has 33 Extra Continents
« on: September 19, 2016, 09:53:38 PM »

it is true that the flat earth which we DO live on is not round and there is more land but it is beyond the ice wall......

How many of you live there?
Where is your Flat Earth?
Is it in Solar system?
How far is Venus from your Flat Earth?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: You, yes, YOU, can prove the Earth is round or flat!
« on: September 19, 2016, 09:26:14 PM »
...
Notice you have to have "good eye". This is crucial... haha
...

LOL

I'm short sighted. Without my glasses I'm not sure I can even see horizon. :)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: do you know the earth is flat or do you not??
« on: September 19, 2016, 09:18:32 PM »
Flat Earth Scientist really has that and few other videos on his channel on YouTube.
You have the link in his signature.

Those videos are not proving anything, not even saying anything based on real life.

But they ARE his videos.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: PROOF that NASA is Satanic!
« on: September 19, 2016, 08:50:54 PM »
The earth was proven round over 2000 years before NASA existed.

no it wasnt you idiot......

Sorry to disappoint you.

According to Diogenes Laertius, "Pythagoras was the first Greek who called the Earth round;
though Theophrastus attributes this to Parmenides, and Zeno to Hesiod."

Plato accepted Sphere Earth model.
He claimed "The Earth is in the center of Heavens, and sphere is ideal shape for that."
Everything on Earth tends to center of Heavens, compressing it into sphere.

Aristotle proved sphere. Eratosthenes measured it. Ptolemy well documented it.

Nowadays you can find any geodesist and ask.
Two verticals, that are 60 nautical miles apart, are not parallel. There is tilt between them of one degree.

Two verticals that are one nautical mile apart have tilt between them of one arcminute. That is how nautical mile was defined in the first place.

Shape of the Earth was not "invented in theory".
It is measured more than once.
For example, learn about "French Geodesical Mission in Peru."

And see this video:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=67845.msg1815153#msg1815153

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Flat Earth Debate / Equinox is coming
« on: September 19, 2016, 07:56:32 PM »
On September 22nd we will have equinox.
Sun will be directly above the equator.

~~~~~

On Globe Earth Sun will rise at azimuth of 90 degrees anywhere in the world.
It will be at 6 am solar time, but Daylight Saving will make it 7 am.

On Flat Earth azimuth of sunrise will depend on where you live.
For example:
If you live at 45 degrees north, azimuth of sunrise will be 62 degrees.
If you live at the Equator, azimuth of sunrise will be 45 degrees.
If you live at 45 degrees south, azimuth of sunrise will be 33 degrees.

It will be at 6 am solar time, but Daylight Saving will make it 7 am.


Same goes for sunset:

On Globe Earth Sun will set at azimuth of 270 degrees anywhere in the world.
It will be at 6 pm solar time, but Daylight Saving will make it 7 pm.

On Flat Earth azimuth of sunset will depend on where you live.
For example:
If you live at 45 degrees north, azimuth of sunset will be 298 degrees.
If you live at the Equator, azimuth of sunset will be 315 degrees.
If you live at 45 degrees south, azimuth of sunset will be 327 degrees.

It will be at 6 pm solar time, but Daylight Saving will make it 7 pm.

~~~~~

Azimuth is angle measured from north, horizontally, clockwise.

Quote

The azimuth is the angle between the north vector and the perpendicular projection of the star down onto the horizon.
Azimuth is usually measured in degrees ().
The concept is used in navigation, astronomy, engineering, mapping, mining and artillery.


Azimuth of 90 degrees means "directly to the east".
Azimuth of 180 degrees means "directly to the south".
Azimuth of 270 degrees means "directly to the west".

Azimuth of 359 degrees means "one degree to the left from north"
(because north is at 360 degrees, which is same direction as zero).

~~~~~

Good luck with your observations and measurements.


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Upward Acceleration of the Earth
« on: September 19, 2016, 07:27:08 PM »
I have yet to notice my weight being different at the poles than at the equator or at the top of mount Everest or even 1000 km in altitude.  I am quite sure you have not either, mr. SpJunk.  You are just spouting off some little information that you heard and take in faith for absolute truth.  You are no better than the religious fanatics that take every word in scripture as absolute fact out of faith.  Perhaps you could keep your religious dogma out of this serious "reality" discussion?

Nice little prayer, Mr Jroa.

Gravimeter can show you the difference in g at any altitude.

Now, does each of us has to buy own personal gravimeter?
Or we can exchange information?


I am sure that is what they would like for you to believe.

To believe what?
That we have to have own gravimeter each?
Or that we can exchange info?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How can rivers flow on flat earth.
« on: September 19, 2016, 06:50:00 AM »

  As it was brought up as evidence that rivers such as the Nile would have to flow uphill then I started to wonder how can rivers flow at all in flat earth. In spirit of FE experiments, they like tables quite much, lets take flat kitchen table and make it totally level. Then pour some water on it and observe if it starts flowing in some direction or not. It should not if table is level. So, how can rivers flow if the earth is flat?

what i want to know is how water can flow up or down on a globe when on a globe it would always have to flowing up the globe and down it at the same time it makes no sense...... that alone debunks the globe sci fi fantasy.....
Ever heard of gravity? Obviously not! And if you don't accept gravity, what makes "up" or "down"?

Besides the topic is "How can rivers flow on flat earth.", not "How can rivers flow on the Globe."

yes i have heard of gravity but unlike you globers i dont believe everything i hear and water flows down stuff where i would have to flowing up all the time if we lived on a globe..... WAKE UP......

Where do you think is "down" on globe ???
Is it up there towards south pole?
Or is it where you put your legs to support your weight (towards center of the earth) ?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Hello, Do You Actually Think Earth Is Flat?
« on: September 19, 2016, 06:46:08 AM »
i dont think the earth is flat..... i KNOW its flat.....

Distance from each pole to Equator is 6 215 miles.
Circumference of Tropic of Cancer is 23 000 miles.
Circumference of Equator is 24 900 miles.
Circumference of Tropic of Capricorn is 23 000 miles.

How can you fit that on "Flat Earth" ?

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So, when you push something down,
and there is no space between molecules,
then air should push that something back up.

For example, when you produce DVD's in Peru, at altitude of 2000 meters,
and then export them to Florida, where average altitude is 10 meters,
DVD's should be kept in hands firmly, or air will push them back up to 2000 meters.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Please Explain What Earth Looks Like.
« on: September 18, 2016, 10:36:38 PM »
it is flat....

It is approximately flat on short distances.
On long distances it is not.

Between two verticals that are one nautical mile apart there is tilt of one arcminute.
Between two verticals that are 60 nautical miles apart there is tilt of one degree.
Curvature is measured long time ago, and again, and again...

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Flat Earth General / Re: Delusional Fantasy
« on: September 18, 2016, 10:26:12 PM »
BTW, I didn't see it before, but looks like picture I posted can show more than Horizon Dip.

I tried to adjust contrast and brightness to enhance horizon.
Then added straight line.

Anyone see anything interesting?


Yes, very! I had done calculations months ago on the "dip angle to the horizon" and one line happened to be:
Altitude
   
Dip Angle
   
Horizon Distance
   
32,808 feet
   
2.8
   
256 miles
   
I had not given a thought that flight instruments prove every flight that
the Flat Earther's old standby "The horizon always rises to eye-level" is simply an unsubstantiated assumption!
You just need to know what to look for!

It's almost enough to make one believe that this Globe idea might be right!

Maybe "Rhetoric Discourse" was right in that video in Re: Delusional Fantasy Reply #89 on: Today at 06:56:05 PM .
 
And that these "sums" might sometimes work.

Have you count pixels between black and white lines at the edges of picture and at the center?

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Yes, and Solar Prominence happens when the Sun (...) burps.

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Yes, and Solar Prominence happens when the Sun (...) burps.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Upward Acceleration of the Earth
« on: September 18, 2016, 09:57:05 PM »
hello there i am flat earther and the earth is not accelerating upwards...... that is a shill lie to dissuade people from looking into the flat earth...... why things fall and what not is because the simple laws of buoyancy and density...... and before you say "if the flat earth society are shill why are on their forums" and i say cause it is the most active forums to post flat earth info and news......

What is pulling dense matter under buoyant?
Or dense mater just goes there on its own?
How dense matter overcomes inertia?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: I have a degree in Earth Sciences, ask me anything.
« on: September 18, 2016, 09:24:22 PM »
All I can see is, people who do fracking are trying to blur things
by introducing wind turbines into the whole story.

Wind turbine foundation reaches tectonic plate?
And, as rabinoz noted, are the turbines driven by the grid to work as propellers?
In some other areas you have trees that catch much more wind that the turbines.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Our universe
« on: September 18, 2016, 08:31:51 PM »
Let's be honest. If we knew so much about the supposed universe and make up of planets and stars, etc, then why the hell are we struggling in working out Earth?

If a person is born encased inside a domed building and only allowed to see or walk limited places, then simply schooled about the stuff not seen, then that persons whole existence is based on the belief of those that indoctrinate them.

You perfectly well described situation during Dark Ages, before Renaissance.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: This live-stream proofs Earth is round
« on: September 18, 2016, 08:26:14 PM »
...
the flat earth community ridicule this forum, it's just a breeding ground for new theories, thought up by flat earth beginners who don't have any solid answers

welcome! lol

Yes.
Welcome.

And now: Flat Earth Community can ridicule this forum as much as they want,
but Eric Dubai's claims are even worse than many of claims here.

Here some people try to explain why you can't see Polaris from southern hemisphere.
Eric says "you can see it".
Anyone who lives in southern hemisphere knows he's blatantly lying.
And he's lying about many other things.

But he doesn't care. It's just business for him.
He just says what Flat Earthers want to hear, and sells books,
collects subscribers and money from ads, and so on...

And he's not the only one.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: You, yes, YOU, can prove the Earth is round or flat!
« on: September 18, 2016, 08:12:23 PM »
What is this?
"Troll Science" from 9gag?

Your aerodynamics are worse than Flat Earth Theory.
And all rocket motors can't be balanced enough to keep "the monstrosity" fly straight.

From 1 000 ft you can't see the curve.
At 33 700 ft you need wide viewing angle and good eye.

Military pilots from 60 000 ft can see it clearly.
Unfortunately, we can't go with them.
But we CAN give them our camera (cell phone) to record it.

Anyone knows any military pilot?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: issues with gravity
« on: September 18, 2016, 07:51:26 PM »
For celestial gravitation we have two options:
1 - Sun and Moon
2 - Dome

In case of Sun and Moon
everything would be lighter at noon, or when Moon is in zenith,
and heavier when they are somewhere at or behind horizon.
So, it is not the case.

In case of Dome
either things at Antarctica would "fall" upward,
or the rest of the world wouldn't have enough "celestial gravity" to explain drop of weight with altitude.

Or the Dome should be highest at north pole and at ice wall (but if open that way, air would leak),
and have lower ring above the equator.

Would Sun hit that ring while moving from winter to summer and back?

Will ANYONE EVER show if Dome really exists and what does it look like?

BTW, why things down here on ground attract each other.
And why they attract ground and vice versa?

~~~~~

Position 1: Gravimeter in the field at the edge of big city, 100 meters away from nearest building.
Position 2: Gravimeter in the lobby of that nearest building, 50 stories skyscraper.

Any difference in reading?
Was the difference caused by "celestial gravity"?

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I think by now that any rational and sensible person that possesses enough common sense will see just how all this mainstream nonsense is spewed out throughout time and on a daily basis.
Gravity absolutely does not exist. It is made up to cater for the absolute garbage that each and every person is expected to swallow each minute of every day for their entire lives.

Denpressure is the reality of all things happening inside this Earth cell and it caters perfectly well for what we actually do see and perceive with our very own senses.

All the space junk and one hell of a lot of old historical supposed scientists who are pushed upon us as being ahead of their time and knowing all about so called planets and space, plus fictional gravity and silly warped space times and Higgs boson rubbish...etc...etc...etc, is an insult to our intelligence, because it's all nonsense.

Have you seen the links?

What attracts those weights at the ends of beams to the weights on floor?

How "rational" one has to be to deny it.

Dare you to do it yourself.
But bear in mind that anyone else can do it and know if you are telling the truth.

~~~~~

Also, about molecules, I suggest you learn what is
Avogadro's Number,
and Avogadro's Law.

Another thing: molecules always move. Molecular movement is giving temperature to substances.
To make molecules stop moving you need temperature of absolute zero, which is 0 Kelvin, or -273.16 Celsius, or -459.67 Fahrenheit.
Just as absolute vacuum, people got really close to it, but it is for now impossible to reach exactly.

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