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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The sky isn't falling?
« on: July 20, 2018, 06:31:48 PM »
Most flat earthers believe their is an electromagnetic field that essentially powers the sun and moon or something similar through the aether.

With no proof of this. Instead of theories to fit observations, flat earthers often (frantically) make observations to fit theories (I call this the Fall-Flat Fallacy).

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Flat Earth Debate / Google Earth style flat earth 3d view
« on: July 19, 2018, 11:27:33 PM »
An interesting experiment would probably be to do something like Google Earth but instead of having a round earth you have a flat earth. So instead of just seeing a map you would get to zoom into places. Either someone has tried this or no one has tried this. I hope someone has tried this.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Fall-Flat Fallacy
« on: July 11, 2018, 04:17:58 PM »
FEers have the advantage of a combined knowledge of both FET and RET.  Our exposure to theories now possessed by round Earth believers makes claims of a flat Earth-shape perspective even more aligned with reality since we can differentiate between truthful evidence and wishful theories.

The deeper REers look into the Earth shape dilemma, the closer they will also come to flat Earth shape realization.       

Only a small bit of round earth reality is taught in schools. If you are a flat earther who managed to listen in science class, good job. There are various oversimplifications of scale when it comes to the scale of the Solar System.



This is the real distance (and size of) between the Earth and the Moon (to scale). Usually you only hear the metric 238,900 miles, but this image is the distance to scale. Same with Sun and the Earth. Usually they appear very close in posters and graphics for a reason, even though the Earth is 93 million miles away from the Sun. That reason is scale.

The true scale of the Solar System is so enormous that usually the planets are simply lined up like this or even like this on posters in classrooms. A better look at the scale would be this website called "If the Moon Were Only 1 Pixel". Even though it's at a scale of about 397,649,496,100:1 on my monitor, it still takes some time to scroll through the whole thing.

Ever seen a Flat Earther try debunking something about the Round Earther? Ever seen a Flat Earther succeed in trying?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Fall-Flat Fallacy
« on: July 11, 2018, 10:24:53 AM »
I'm beginning to suspect that you are not a flat earther.

Well yeah

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Flat Earth Debate / The Fall-Flat Fallacy
« on: July 11, 2018, 03:14:32 AM »


MrDebunk presents

THE FALL-FLAT FALLACY
A small window into the flat earther psyche



The scientific method, and before that, scientific experimentation in general, is to observe something, hypothesize what is happening, then experiment, and collect all the observations into a conclusion. A theory is formed from observations. This is how we know many things about the world we live in.

The flat earth theory, being incredibly false, naturally has many holes in it. Flat earthers are constantly patching these holes with workarounds which are just that. Workarounds. That is forming observations from a theory, which means it is not an observation, just an easy exit from a tough argument. These are never truly observed to be true, and may as well have huge holes by themselves.

Flat-earthers are flat-earthers for one reason: they barely know anything about the round earth model (a.k.a. reality). When they discover the flat-earth, they eat up all the "proofs" out there and now believe the Earth is flat and the government is covering it up. One thing that often reveals itself is a lack of understanding of simple physical concepts by flat earthers, as evident when they try to debunk the round earth. Sometimes their errors are in the more complex sense, other times they completely fall flat. Their mind usually is too tainted to understand more than a basic level, but it can be done.

Hence, my coinage of the term "Fall-Flat Fallacy." (FFF)


Don't believe FFF is a legitimate thing?
Here are some examples of cheap workarounds created by flat earthers.

Sun and moon rising and setting?



A complex system of the sun and moon
orbiting something, while the Earth
orbits nothing. Where is the object it
is supposed to orbit around?

Sun rises and sets due to "perspective",
which is usually not elaborated beyond
that.

The four seasons?



A 13-minute video that is for "demonstration
purposes only", and uses a complex animation
instead of 22-degree axis tilt and Earth's orbit.

The edge of the Earth?

It is usually believed an "ice wall" surrounds a flat
Earth (normally called Antarctica), and that it is
heavily guarded. There is no proof for either. No
actual images, nothing.

Gravity?

A common belief is that a flat earth is accelerated
upward 9.87 m/s^2 by a mythical force called
"universal acceleration". Not only is there no
proof of this, but this "universal acceleration"
would break the first law of thermodynamics.

Eclipses?

A solar eclipse would probably still be
just the Moon in front of the Sun.
A lunar eclipse is described as being
done by a "shadow object", which not
only has no proof of existing, but is
not supposed to be visible. Easily the
most ridiculous of the excuses.

Boats going under the horizon?

Again, the excuses of "perspective" and maybe even
"waves" are the most prevalent on this one. No real
argument, just an excuse or a shallow "debunk".



There are various other things that I could cover here, but I probably could not bother to do so. This shall be a debate, this post is only the start.



Flat Earther Special Edition of the scientific method:
1. Discover an observation from a round-earther that seems to be a total nail-in-the-coffin to the Flat Earth theory.
2. Wait and think about what they just said.
3. Make a claim that would be used as a lazy exit from the apparent end of the Flat Earth theory.
4. Dance around Occam's razor like a retarded octopus, but never even sense its presence while you abuse your claim all around the Internet.

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This is Blue Marble 2017 (which I created myself):



The tools used to make this image:

  • A very good computer (you can use a potato if you want to wait longer)
  • The Internet
  • Google Earth
  • Paint.NET (or other painting software)

No, I didn't use some magic CGI software. No, I didn't go on some secret page or go to the deep web or do anything like, if you wanted to know. You can do this at home, with the listed tools.

How did I do this?

First step is to open your web browser, and navigate to this link. It will open up a page that shows a big map and some options. Open the layers tab, and make the Suomi NPP layer visible, which will show a map which is (almost) complete. Put the entire map in view, then click the button with the camera icon in the top right corner. Make sure the selection fills the entire image, set it to a KMZ file and set it to 5km quality, then download.

Open the file you get into Google Earth, and turn the experimental atmospheric graphics on. This will take a while. In the menu around the bottom left with all the options, disable them. Get a good angle, and take a screenshot of your screen (print screen key).

Then open up your paint program, and paste the image into the program. Crop the image, and black out the background behind the Earth. You should get something like this:



If you got that, you will be able to change hue/saturation options to make it look more like the Blue Marble images (from more recently) that you see all over (with more clouds), and the result you see above.

I'd like some debate on this.

Is the base image from REAL data from SPACE?

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Flat Earth General / Re: SpaceX Falcon 9
« on: January 21, 2017, 01:09:09 AM »
So basically its a giant empty paper towel roll with spacex on the side.
A metal tube. With super cold fuel, a few gizmos and 9 engines.
What a nice disneyland prop. From what I hear, its been here a few days, and they keep moving it around for pictures.
Sources?
Its a big media event. As I stare at it from a distance I cant help but wonder how it was landed vertically on an open sea without a pilot, its just a bit unbelievable to me.
Some genius at SpaceX thought about putting a computer inside the rocket that would land on a GPS coordinate where the drone ship would be.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: HOW COME PLANES CAN FLY TOWARDS WEST???
« on: December 26, 2016, 10:40:34 PM »
Let me explain this.

If your plane was going east, the speed of the plane (500 mph) + the speed of the Earth's spin (1000 mph roughly) would equal 1500 mph, 500 mph faster than the Earth's spin. If your plane was going west, the speed of the earth's spin (1000 mph roughly) - the speed of the plane (500 mph) would equal 500 mph, 500 mph slower than the Earth's spin.

Think about it like this. Your relative speed to the Earth's spin is 0 mph if your plane was completely stationary. If your plane was going east, your relative speed to the Earth's spin is 500 mph. If your plane was going west, your relative speed to the Earth's spin is -500 mph.

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Technical Support / Re: Can't view all sent PMs
« on: December 21, 2016, 01:34:56 PM »
When I try to look at them, I only see like the first three I ever sent. Why is this, and how can I change it?

When you send PM's do you click the "save copy in my outbox" box?
No. Thanks.

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Technical Support / Can't view all sent PMs
« on: December 17, 2016, 12:23:07 PM »
When I try to look at them, I only see like the first three I ever sent. Why is this, and how can I change it?

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If you think some software for children can provide the answer to win my Challenge, I recommend that you visit a hospital to check your brain.



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I've seen a few flat earthers use images of "the edge" or the "ice wall" as commonly referred to in their thumbnails so I will show some of the pictures that they use or are generally what they will use:







Now here is an image of an Antarctic ice shelf:



Notice something?

There is no ice wall! All the "images" of it (might as well put leaked because the views :P ) are just images of ice shelves?

Where's the security?

Are they on break?

Have they manipulated the Matrix to make themselves invisible while they scramble to take the photo?

We do not know yet!



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Quote from: Spades2794
Prove to me the southern stars exist without using a cgi timelapse

Pro tip you can't
Quote from: Spades2794
Cgi.The stars don't twinkle.Come on man.
Quote from: Spades2794
They're agents.Just show me one video of a southern hemisphere star that isn't a cgi timelapse and this thread will die.




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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Challenge to Round Earthers
« on: September 06, 2016, 10:30:57 PM »
Learn before you speak. Instead of blabbing about things you don't understand, sit down and learn

You cannot make a claim about something you know nothing about .
I might have to quote these in the future.

when a sort of flat earther (well technically dual earther) describes flat earthers when trying to describe round earthers

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« on: September 03, 2016, 01:21:57 AM »
If Heiwa is a round earther, does anybody know what is the fundamental basis of his lack of faith in humans ability to create technologies that can leave the planet and return with humans on board?

He believes he is super duper smart.  So if he does not understand something like the atmosphere providing drag to slow a spacecraft down he thinks it is lies. Same when he did a calculation for the capture burn of Apollo 11.  He just looked at the difference between the mass of the propellant before and after the maneuver and ignored that it was ejected out the nozzle.

Basically he had a somewhat failed career and likes to think he is smarter and more knowledgeable than every other engineer on Earth. He wants to feel special and blame his failure on others.

So basically a special snowflake?

Good game, Heiwa.

Good game.

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Flat Earth Debate / Has iWitness been destroyed with his own words?
« on: August 24, 2016, 09:28:54 PM »
Take a look at his signature:

Quote from: iWitness
Disclaimer: I am confused. Everything I say is speculative and not admissible in a court of law; however, I am neither insane nor a threat to myself or others. I am simply curious about everything in life and enjoy talking about crazy shit. Oh, & btw I like turtles.

Either he is joking, or he is joking in his signature.

Edit: This might also means he is saying he is immune to anyone trying to debunk him, although that is not true.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Constancy of the Angular size of the Sun
« on: August 24, 2016, 09:26:01 PM »
Surprising how the angular size seems to decrease around noon hours though only by one degree, probably due to something unrelated to size or position (maybe the size of the sun in the image or zoom?) while in the flat earth theory it would peak. Wow.

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I have a more fair poll:

Do you believe in a flat earth?

1) No, I am an amazing, good, honest and ingenious individual.
2) Yes, I am a child rapist and a member of ISIS and by chosing this option I condone the taking of my credit card by the creator of this poll and emptying of my bank account.

Totally fair, right?

No, it is not fair.

This is isis money supporting the round theory:



source: http://yournewswire.com/isis-paper-money-satanic-creation-of-banks-gold-is-the-future/

1. I don't see a globe
2. If you or anyone here can read Arabic, tell me what the text means. Then I can determine if it is supporting the round earth or not. Probably completely unrelated.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: iWitness' "Proofs" of Flat Earth
« on: August 24, 2016, 06:42:24 PM »
1, 3, 5, 6, 9, 12, 13..

17, 21, 22 ;-).

Anyway,

Moral of the story is don't f**k with Rabinoz.

Moral of the story is that Geoff keeps posting bullshit representations of reality, due to his never ending state of inebriation. That is all he knows how to do.

Cannot replicate his diagram in reality. Therefore, it cannot be independently tested. Therefore, it is junk.

proof totallackey is papa legba


Moral of the story is that Geoff keeps posting bullshit representations of reality, due to his never ending state of inebriation.

That is all he knows how to do.

Cannot replicate his diagram in reality.

Therefore, it cannot be independently tested.

Therefore, it is junk.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Apollo 8 astronaut William Ander's Earthrise???
« on: August 22, 2016, 10:38:53 PM »
I see, so how does someone with a Flat Earth belief reconcile a photo such as these?

they simply pass it off as fake with no thought into it usually

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: iWitness' "Proofs" of Flat Earth
« on: August 22, 2016, 10:36:13 PM »
Stellar. You did great.

Now that you made this I think we need a mega thread with a bunch of common flat earth claims debunked. I'd be glad if you helped me with it and brought some others as well.

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Look, Goggletomy. You continue to break the rules outlined in the first post and I reserve the right not to respond to obvious trolls/shills such as yourself.

But I will answer your question again just because I want the smart people out there to see:



There you go. I will report each and every one of your re-ports. Please go away.

ahem ahem ahem

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No, topic is my Challenge that nobody has won. Nobody has even made an attempt.



Actually, the topic is about you not paying a winner . . .


About a week ago, Heiwa informed me of his €1,000,000 challenge on his website, not the one about proving that the 9/11 incident was done by terrorists but the second one at the bottom of the page about the Apollo missions.
How I won was I showed him a simulator that when paired with a mod can simulate the Apollo missions, and I even offered to check the config files for realism.  As for the reentry part, I drew a diagram that illustrates how reentry capsules control their orientation and trajectory.  I have been presenting all this to Heiwa via PM's and he has not responded in almost a day now after I said "If I'm not mistaken, you owe me some money", so I figured that I might as well mention this on the forum to get the word out and to force him to not make the trademark flat earther move of ignoring my victory.

Poor mikeman7918 was a loser in his first post and crazy. Showing me a simulator for boys I could download from the net. And the re-entry. A diagram. LOL! However, I am pleased to know he is now taken care of in a padded cell in a Utah mad house. For me it is a happy END!

proof heiwa is papa legba

Poor mikeman7918 was a loser in his first post and crazy.

Showing me a simulator for boys I could download from the net.

And the re-entry.

A diagram.

LOL!

However, I am pleased to know he is now taken care of in a padded cell in a Utah mad house.

For me it is a happy

END!




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The Lounge / Re: A challenge for Heiwa
« on: August 18, 2016, 06:42:26 PM »
Must it be made with a daguerreotype, to ensure authenticity?

No. Digital photo, .png and .raw accepted.

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There is so much stupidity on this thread that it is a tad overwheming. For starters, the original is on FILM, not digital. Therefore it was not photoshopped and could not be digitally altered because... IT IS FILM.  and time and time again when conspiracy loons claim to find evidence of alteration on some tiny compressed digital scan of the picture NASA then produces the original to debunk them.

Just how dumb, stupid, ignorant and moronic are you flat-earthers?  (rhetorical question obviously)

On the first page you can find the post where I debunk the original claim.

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I wonder why no student of rocket science, fundamentals of spaceflight and manned spaceflight at KTH has won my Challenge. Maybe they fail on the re-enter problem?
More likely they have no idea who you are.  On the off chance they have heard of you they likely think you are the crackpot you appear to be.

Actually the KTH rocket courses do not teach how to win my Challenge  ... for obvious reasons.
Because no one cares about your challenge

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Quote
Does it bother you there is absolutely no evidence for a flat  earth?

Lol, what are you talking about? I completely destroyed your AMA thread with real science and facts.

The only evidence you have for a ball earth is a bunch of ADMITTED composite/photoshop images of earth.

Here is just a small list of proofs that the earth is flat:

1. Water is perfectly flat
2. horizon is perfectly flat
3. Horizon does not drop when gaining altitude
4. All land surveys match up perfectly even though the earth's curve is not accounted for
5. Radio waves can be bounced off the Crystal Dome Firmament (ionospheric propagation)
6. Radio Waves have been sent straight across the ocean in the early 1900s
7. First Iphone used Cell-tower Triangulation NOT GPS
8. You can see Chicago skyline 60+ miles across Lake Michigan
9. Antarctica is OFF LIMITS to explorers
10. No one flies across North or South Pole

1. Relative to the surface unless weather (this includes El Niño)
2. The earth is huge, deal with it
3. It's been debunked with a simple iPhone app and multiple observations from different altitudes
4. It doesn't have to
5. Radio waves can be bounced off the ionosphere just fine on a round earth
6. I'll have to do some digging to debunk that...
7. It appears that from some research it does do that, but that doesn't say anything
8. Without refraction, appears to be around 480 feet covered but refraction reduces that
9. No it isn't, you can buy tickets to take a boat to Antarctica and see all the wildlife over there
10. You can fly to both

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Flat Earth General / Re: Let's prove to them that the earth was flat
« on: August 14, 2016, 11:47:57 AM »
just straight to the point .. if the earth is flat and surrounded by mountains that surround the earth's surface correction: surrounded by mountains at the edge. we can prove with people that pro flat earth correction: flat earthers along with the pro earth was round correction: round earthers. the truth is the only way we are together toward the periphery (mountains) is. if the pro globularist reject means is true our earth is flat and not round as we learned .and everyone on earth will realize that we had been in lying by NASA. essentially flat earth pro win and they (pro globularist) lost ..
well that that is my mind (solution) so that everything becomes clear

So we lose because we don't see 'the truth'? In an alternate universe with different laws of physics, yes. But sorry, you are not on a flat earth in this universe. :)

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Debunk you already know that answer...don't ask dumb questions. CGI shill  ::) ::) CGI has been around since 15 BC. Sure the machines were powered by millions of potatoes. What the hell do you think has been powering the moon hologram emitter all these millenniums.

Flat potatoes....lots and lots of potatoes

Well... I know, just trying to tap into him,

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What exactly are the techniques used to fake this, if it is fake:


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