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What kind of evidence would shut you up?  Please, let me know.  Please.

He is just asking for just one piece of evidence of flat earth. Do you not have even one piece?

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And its not just during sunrise and sunset that should have the sun change size, according to flat earth theory.

But moving from overhead tropic of Cancer to tropic of Capricorn should have its own size change.

If you are at the tropic of Cancer with the sun directly overhead the sun should have an angular size of around  0.61115 degrees. Based on it being 3000 miles away and 32 miles in diameter.

6 months later when it is over the tropic of Capricorn when viewed from the original location it should have an angular size of 0.41566 degrees. Based on it now being 4411 miles away.
 
But the sun is actually larger during USA winter than USA summer.

http://webpages.charter.net/darksky25/Astronomy/Articles/sun/sunindex.html

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Satellite dishes in Norfolk
« on: July 12, 2016, 03:30:54 PM »
Sattelite names nothing but a lie. They are only channel group names that listed by transmitter.
They change as satellites orbit.  Why should they be a lie?  GPS works in the middle of oceans and elsewhere where there are no mobile or TV masts.  Typically a receiver gets 15 or more US and Russian satellites.

Did you think how is an antenna gets the channels at same time from Russian and US sattelites  that on the opposite side of the earth?

Oceans are flat areas and there is no interference effects to radio waves. So you can watch the tv on ocean. But i'm thinking that can't do that on Antarctica.

No oceans are not flat areas.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: 3D Airplane Windows and Odd Flights
« on: July 11, 2016, 09:17:39 PM »
I have yet to see a TV screen beam a sunlight beam. Like you see the sun outside the window, and you have a beam of sunlight come in through the window, over your lap, into the isle.

Anyone seen a TV do that yet?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Satellite dishes in Norfolk
« on: July 11, 2016, 08:22:22 PM »
Satellite signals do not bounce off moisture.
I'm not sure what the purpose of your post is intended do be. Are you stating that they cannot bounce off moisture, in which case I must refute that: all such signals will be reflected off anything tangible, such as sufficient concentrations of moisture. If you are simply claiming they do not, then it seems a purposefulness post until you explain how you ascertain that.

Satellite signals do not bounce off moisture. The simple fact you receive satellite on a clear day, and just as well on an overcast raining day proves that.

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Flat Earth General / Re: day light hours Antarctica
« on: June 30, 2016, 07:30:47 PM »
Hi all,
I was looking at casey stations Wikipedia page and shows climate and mean averages. Under daylight hours shows more in November and dropping over Dec/Jan. Mcmurdo wiki doesnt include daylight hours part.
Then I looked at Australia's Antarctica division page which mentions 24/7 daylight for few days around xmas. Seems odd if true that it would make sense if those days would be in November..
My cousin worked at Casey in mid 80s and he confirmed no 24/7 sun and said nothing like north's sun movement.

The longest day of the year is December 21st. So it makes sense that the 24/7 daylight would be around xmas. That is when the sun is as far south as it can get.

Daylight hours just takes into account cloud cover and weather.

You will also notice that Casey gets some sunlight hours during winter, if it was inside the antarctic circle it wouldn't get any at all.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Vote for an answer from NASA
« on: June 30, 2016, 07:20:18 PM »
Well it looks like they came up a bit short. Only gathered 3000 out of the required 100,000 signatures.

I guessed when he started this he would come up short, there would only be 10,000 flat earthers on the whole globe.

Let alone 100,000


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Transit of Mercury
« on: June 25, 2016, 11:45:25 AM »
One thing I would like the flat earth point of view about this is, if the sun is only 3000 miles away. How far away are Mercury and Venus, since they pass in front of the sun.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The sun is speeding
« on: June 19, 2016, 04:36:51 AM »
On a FE (or RE) the sun orbits on different paths. The latitudes the sun follows is undeniable. I will not show my math and some rounding was done but here is the conclusion.
I measured from the North Pole to the 23.5N latitude and then on to the 23.5S latitude. I adjusted these RE distances to eliminate the arc of a RE and provide distances as they would be on a FE. Which are the radius of the orbit of the sun on a FE.
On June 21st the sun will orbit along the 23.5N latitude and on Dec 21st the sun will orbit along the 23.5S latitude. On a FE the circumference of the orbits formed by the sun are: In June = 21645 miles and in Dec = 36914 miles. Since the sun appears along the same longitude every 24 hours, this means the sun has to change speeds, daily.
A 24hr cycle means that in June the sun is traveling 902MPH and in Dec it is traveling at 1538MPH. This is an acceleration change of 3.5MPH/per Day/for 182 days and then a reduction of speed by the same amounts. Thus changing a total of 636MPH every 6 months.
I don't think anyone can convince me that the sun has the ability to change speeds.

:P Why is that any harder to swallow the the "celestial gears that explain Coriolis:P

Quote from: the Wiki
Wind Currents
The Wind Currents are put into gradual motion by the attraction of the Northern and Southern Celestial Systems, which are grinding against each other as gears.

While you are at it, maybe you could contemplate how the measured intensity of solar radiation in the southern hemisphere in its summer is about 7% higher than the solar radiation in the norther hemisphere in its summer.

How do we get all this extra energy out of the sun while it is covering are much bigger area of the earths surface.

;D Someone must gradually turn up the wick on the sun's phlogiston burner! Ask jroa what phlogiston is.  ;D

That would be because during summer in the southern hemisphere the Earth is closest to the sun. During summer in the northern hemisphere Earth is at its farthest.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The sun is speeding
« on: June 19, 2016, 04:34:43 AM »
Also don't forget about the angular change in size the sun must go through to pull this feat off.

If you are at the tropic of Cancer with the sun directly overhead the sun should have an angular size of around  0.61115 degrees. Based on it being 3000 miles away and 32 miles in diameter.

6 months later when it is over the tropic of Capricorn when viewed from the original location it should have an angular size of 0.41566 degrees. Based on it now being 4411 miles away.
 
But the sun is actually larger during USA winter than USA summer.

http://webpages.charter.net/darksky25/Astronomy/Articles/sun/sunindex.html

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Playing the devil's advocate here:
Have you performed said experiment yourself? What are your sources that the southern cross is actually visible from these three locations?
Also, this is not the FE map, as there is no FE map and therefore no contradictions of the FE map can be made.

Ummm what do you mean this is not the FE map? This is the FE map that they keep shoving down our throats.

And I agree with the OP. How can 3 people with their backs to each other, all see the same thing?

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Flat Earth General / Vote for an answer from NASA
« on: June 10, 2016, 11:55:55 PM »
Well we need to get behind this.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/requesting-nasa-or-government-funded-science-agencies-respond-12-flat-earth-questions

If they get 100,000 signatures before July 1. The white house will look into the questions asked in this video.



Come on guys do you believe or not. Do you want answers or not? If you do then vote away, and spread the word.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Turning the wrong way at the ice wall
« on: June 05, 2016, 02:08:48 PM »
Can you point out this large island on a map? The one they get people to sail around to keep the illusion going?

I bet it looks something like this (ignore the text in the middle, that's probably NASA propaganda anyway):


Ok, now can you point out that island on a flat Earth map?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Turning the wrong way at the ice wall
« on: June 05, 2016, 01:41:52 PM »
However he says he has been on a ship that went around antarctica,
They were navigating around a large island.  That is how the illusion is maintained.

Can you point out this large island on a map? The one they get people to sail around to keep the illusion going?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Turning the wrong way at the ice wall
« on: June 05, 2016, 01:22:39 PM »
There's a yacht race called the Antarctica cup. If Antarctica was actually the ice wall and circumnavigating it worked differently than yobbo described, it seems strange... dare I say, impossible?... that it could have been hidden so well for so long.

Actually the Antarctica cup is good proof of globe Earth. The equator is 21,600 NM. The Antarctica cup only covers a distance of 14,000 NM. If the race was held on a flat Earth, shouldn't the distance around the edge be a lot longer?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Turning the wrong way at the ice wall
« on: June 04, 2016, 03:57:14 PM »
That's true he could have been navigating around a part that was sticking out

He didn't navigate around a part sticking out. He circumnavigated the whole thing. And kept turning right while having the ice on his right hand side.

According to flat earth he should have been turning left.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Turning the wrong way at the ice wall
« on: June 03, 2016, 05:20:47 PM »
The ice is made of special molecules that are strong enough to bend light and time so it looks like you're going around it but actually it just makes you go faster around the edges and make you reach the other side of the earth quicker.

edit:

here's a picture of the special molecule


LOL Mustard Gas

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1) The S. Celestial Pole is a SINGLE POINT. It and the N. Celestial Pole DEFINE the axis of rotation of the sky and Earth. This leads to the conclusion that the SCP and NCP MUST be over a SINGLE POINT on Earth. The SCP MUST be over the S.Pole of the Earth that is a SINGLE POINT. So, no, the Earth CAN NOT be a flat disk with people living on just one side. On such a disk, the true S.Pole (and the SCP above it) is UNDER the N.Pole and CAN NOT be seen from above the disk. Therefore, that picture is IMPOSSIBLE on a disk Earth. Spherical Earth +1, Flat Earth -infinity.



On the Flat Earth Facebook page someone asked about the S Celestial Pole spinning on a point. When according to Flat Earth the stars should be traveling in long straight lines around the edge. Their answer. It's perspective.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Turning the wrong way at the ice wall
« on: June 03, 2016, 05:04:49 PM »
Simple. The earth is round. Next.

Dude it's not that simple. I'm sure some Flat Earther will come up with an explanation.

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Flat Earth Debate / Turning the wrong way at the ice wall
« on: June 03, 2016, 04:14:39 PM »
This post came up on my Facebook this morning.


Can someone help me here. In a FE discussion at a dinner party (not always a wise idea :P ) someone who is a CSIRO scientist asked me to explain how when viewing a FE map, to circumnavigate antarctica you would reach the ice and turn to port (left) and keep turning to port with the ice on your starboard (right hand) side for a very very very long distance.

However he says he has been on a ship that went around antarctica, they kept the ice on their right (same) but they kept turning to starboard (the right) all the way back to the starting point which was South of Tasmania.

I was a bit out of my depth on how to rebutt this. Can anyone explain in clear English with no links or images so I can recreate it?



That is a really good point, if the Earth was flat and you kept the ice to your right, you should be constantly turning left, but that doesn't happen.

On a globe Earth you would constantly turn right, which is what happens.

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It should be known. Jroa was on his school debate team. He was debating on the side for evolution.

That's right a Flat Earther that believes in evolution. But no he didn't really believe in evolution. He just liked to debate that side of the argument.

In the same fashion, I don't really believe he believes the Earth is flat. He just likes to debate people so has taken the Flat Earth side.

That's why his defense is so weak.

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I went on a cruise from florida to mexico, and when we were in the middle of the ocean, i took out my cellphone, and it was obviously nowhere near a cellphone tower, you can tell this by the obvious marking in the phone that says you have ZERO bars. I loaded up Google Maps and I got a GPS lock in the middle of the ocean, showing my location...... This works because satellites continuously orbit the earth broadcasting GPS signals...

The same is true if you go into the middle of the Florida Everglades where there is ZERO cellphone reception..... and no cellphone towers anywhere near enough.... you can still get a GPS lock... and see where you are on the map...

Satellites orbit the globe of the earth.


Perhaps you just suck at using phones or technology in general?

http://cruiseline.com/advice/before-you-cruise/what-to-know/how-to-use-your-cellphone-on-a-cruise-ship

Did you even read that page? You are not using your carriers network on a cruise ship, you are using the cruise ships network. Guess how the cruise ship connects to the internet? Through satellites.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3268288/The-WiFi-tide-turned-Cruise-ship-giant-slashes-internet-charges-90-guests-able-log-just-3-day.html

Currently 31 satellite systems have been deployed on 30 of its 100 ships with more planned over the coming months to extend the company's 'WiFi@Sea' connectivity network.

Perhaps you just suck at trying to abuse people.

The erroneous claim was made that cellphones are impossible to use on a ship.  I proved that claim to be false.  Do you even read the threads in which you post?

No his claim was that there is no mobile phone coverage on a ship, because cell phone towers are out of range, but GPS that works from satellites still works.

You tried to debunk what he said by saying that you can use cell phones on a ship.

But I debunked that by showing that the only way of using your cell phone on a ship is by connecting to their network that is supported by satellites.

Yes this is a thread about satellites, and so far, everyone agrees they exist, even you are posting links to support that fact.

The claim was made that there is no phone service and therefore no phone towers in the ocean.  I proved that there is cell phone service in the middle of the ocean.  Now, you are claiming that it somehow proves satellites exist, when you have no idea where the cell phone signals are coming from.  Go ahead and try to spin your way out this one.

The cell phone service that exists in the middle of the ocean is provided by the ship you are on. You know how the ship is getting the service?

Through satellites. If the ship could get cell phone tower reception in the middle of the ocean, why would you need to use their satellite supported service?

Why not just connect to the cell phone towers yourself?

Again you linking to ship supported phone service only supports the idea of satellites.

I don't have much time, so I am going to make this quick.  Signals can come from anything.  Don't be a fucking retard.

LOL now it's name calling is it. Ok I have shown where I believe the signals are coming from. Why don't you enlighten us where you think the signals are coming from.

Keeping in mind they are signals that the ship can receive and not peoples cell phones.

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I went on a cruise from florida to mexico, and when we were in the middle of the ocean, i took out my cellphone, and it was obviously nowhere near a cellphone tower, you can tell this by the obvious marking in the phone that says you have ZERO bars. I loaded up Google Maps and I got a GPS lock in the middle of the ocean, showing my location...... This works because satellites continuously orbit the earth broadcasting GPS signals...

The same is true if you go into the middle of the Florida Everglades where there is ZERO cellphone reception..... and no cellphone towers anywhere near enough.... you can still get a GPS lock... and see where you are on the map...

Satellites orbit the globe of the earth.


Perhaps you just suck at using phones or technology in general?

http://cruiseline.com/advice/before-you-cruise/what-to-know/how-to-use-your-cellphone-on-a-cruise-ship

Did you even read that page? You are not using your carriers network on a cruise ship, you are using the cruise ships network. Guess how the cruise ship connects to the internet? Through satellites.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3268288/The-WiFi-tide-turned-Cruise-ship-giant-slashes-internet-charges-90-guests-able-log-just-3-day.html

Currently 31 satellite systems have been deployed on 30 of its 100 ships with more planned over the coming months to extend the company's 'WiFi@Sea' connectivity network.

Perhaps you just suck at trying to abuse people.

The erroneous claim was made that cellphones are impossible to use on a ship.  I proved that claim to be false.  Do you even read the threads in which you post?

No his claim was that there is no mobile phone coverage on a ship, because cell phone towers are out of range, but GPS that works from satellites still works.

You tried to debunk what he said by saying that you can use cell phones on a ship.

But I debunked that by showing that the only way of using your cell phone on a ship is by connecting to their network that is supported by satellites.

Yes this is a thread about satellites, and so far, everyone agrees they exist, even you are posting links to support that fact.

The claim was made that there is no phone service and therefore no phone towers in the ocean.  I proved that there is cell phone service in the middle of the ocean.  Now, you are claiming that it somehow proves satellites exist, when you have no idea where the cell phone signals are coming from.  Go ahead and try to spin your way out this one.

The cell phone service that exists in the middle of the ocean is provided by the ship you are on. You know how the ship is getting the service?

Through satellites. If the ship could get cell phone tower reception in the middle of the ocean, why would you need to use their satellite supported service?

Why not just connect to the cell phone towers yourself?

Again you linking to ship supported phone service only supports the idea of satellites.

I know where the phone service is coming from. It's coming from satellites. I even linked to sources that proved it.

Now its upto you to provide evidence that the ship supported cell phone coverage isn't from satellites.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Transit of Mercury
« on: May 10, 2016, 08:06:19 PM »
I think the point is Stellarium is programmed by NASA. But in order to make the night sky line up with Stellarium NASA has to control everything in the night sky. Only God and Satan have the power to do that. So I think this is further proof that NASA is run by satanists.
Really, can you provide any evidence that Satan and NASA can control the night sky. This should be interesting...

Well the fact that a program like Stellarium seems to predict the movements of the night sky. How else would you explain it?

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I went on a cruise from florida to mexico, and when we were in the middle of the ocean, i took out my cellphone, and it was obviously nowhere near a cellphone tower, you can tell this by the obvious marking in the phone that says you have ZERO bars. I loaded up Google Maps and I got a GPS lock in the middle of the ocean, showing my location...... This works because satellites continuously orbit the earth broadcasting GPS signals...

The same is true if you go into the middle of the Florida Everglades where there is ZERO cellphone reception..... and no cellphone towers anywhere near enough.... you can still get a GPS lock... and see where you are on the map...

Satellites orbit the globe of the earth.


Perhaps you just suck at using phones or technology in general?

http://cruiseline.com/advice/before-you-cruise/what-to-know/how-to-use-your-cellphone-on-a-cruise-ship

Did you even read that page? You are not using your carriers network on a cruise ship, you are using the cruise ships network. Guess how the cruise ship connects to the internet? Through satellites.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3268288/The-WiFi-tide-turned-Cruise-ship-giant-slashes-internet-charges-90-guests-able-log-just-3-day.html

Currently 31 satellite systems have been deployed on 30 of its 100 ships with more planned over the coming months to extend the company's 'WiFi@Sea' connectivity network.

Perhaps you just suck at trying to abuse people.

The erroneous claim was made that cellphones are impossible to use on a ship.  I proved that claim to be false.  Do you even read the threads in which you post?

No his claim was that there is no mobile phone coverage on a ship, because cell phone towers are out of range, but GPS that works from satellites still works.

You tried to debunk what he said by saying that you can use cell phones on a ship.

But I debunked that by showing that the only way of using your cell phone on a ship is by connecting to their network that is supported by satellites.

Yes this is a thread about satellites, and so far, everyone agrees they exist, even you are posting links to support that fact.

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I went on a cruise from florida to mexico, and when we were in the middle of the ocean, i took out my cellphone, and it was obviously nowhere near a cellphone tower, you can tell this by the obvious marking in the phone that says you have ZERO bars. I loaded up Google Maps and I got a GPS lock in the middle of the ocean, showing my location...... This works because satellites continuously orbit the earth broadcasting GPS signals...

The same is true if you go into the middle of the Florida Everglades where there is ZERO cellphone reception..... and no cellphone towers anywhere near enough.... you can still get a GPS lock... and see where you are on the map...

Satellites orbit the globe of the earth.


Perhaps you just suck at using phones or technology in general?

http://cruiseline.com/advice/before-you-cruise/what-to-know/how-to-use-your-cellphone-on-a-cruise-ship

Did you even read that page? You are not using your carriers network on a cruise ship, you are using the cruise ships network. Guess how the cruise ship connects to the internet? Through satellites.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-3268288/The-WiFi-tide-turned-Cruise-ship-giant-slashes-internet-charges-90-guests-able-log-just-3-day.html

Currently 31 satellite systems have been deployed on 30 of its 100 ships with more planned over the coming months to extend the company's 'WiFi@Sea' connectivity network.

Perhaps you just suck at trying to abuse people.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Transit of Mercury
« on: May 10, 2016, 12:58:20 PM »
Looks to me that weeks have passed between the two images.  I suppose you are going to claim that you took both pictures this morning?  ::)

Well yes actually along with about 20 others. Would you like all 20 of them? What makes you think that weeks have passed between images?...

The little dot is very close to the edge of the sun in one photo and very far from the edge in the other.  Do I need to do the math in order to tell you how many tenths of a degree Mercury moves in relation to the sun per day, or are you going to just admit that you did not take both pictures at the same time?


What are you talking about?! Mercury transits the sun in about 5hours.
I watched most of it. Here is an image from about an hour later...

Notice how the same sunspot is present...which wouldn't be if these were taken on different days. Check the exif data if you don't believe me...
Is that another stock image that you are trying to present as an actual experiment?  Will NASA ever run out of computer generated images for you people to use in order to try to prove the shape of the Earth?  Will you people ever stop saying that you can determine the shape of the Earth by looking at the sky?
First off, if you load Stellarium (actually do something), you can see how the Mercury transit would have happened if you looked today (actually did something). Of course, no FEer is going to do this as it might burst their bubble. From my location in Denver, CO, the transit started around 06:55 (sunrise) and ended at 12:40 (approx 6 hrs later, so no, the pictures did not have to happen a week apart or some other dribble). BTW, Stellarium is doing the math from whatever location you put into it so we don't have to redo it. Why should anyone waste their time on your disbelief. Why don't you do the math and prove them wrong since you dispute the images and transit.

Second, as you and other FEers don't do astronomy or really know Astronomy 101, I expect nothing of importance from what you have to say about anything concerning astronomy - images, photographs, whatever - just screaming "fake" and "lalala" holding your ears. I know reality really sucks for FEers and their fantasies.

Third, for anyone who actually uses a telescope, your statements are quite ignorant. Aligning telescopes to track the sky, that has been done for decades, definitely determines the shape of the Earth. The mounts being aligned - corresponding the latitude of the observer AND pointing at the N/S Celestial Poles AND parallel to the Earth/Sky rotation - definitely and definitively demonstrate the Earth is spherical and definitely and definitively not FLAT. There is only one shape that I know of that has these properties simultaneously - a sphere. If you are too ignorant for that, oh well. Keep saying YOU can't determine the shape of the Earth from the sky (of course YOU can't because you won't even try. If you say it a couple thousand times it will be just as wrong as the first time you said it).


It would be of interest, if any FEer can actually explain how an equatorially mounted telescope even works on a FE (they work in reality - the real world - as evidenced by observatories and people who actually own one).

So jroa, go on with your FE fantasy that has absolutely NOTHING to do with reality - our world. Enlighten us.

I have Stellarium.  Did it ever occur to you that the software was programmed by a group or entity that could code it anyway that they want to?  Did it occur to you that NASA has programmers employed by them?  I suppose that anything that Stellarium says must be the absolute truth, just like what ever the satanists at NASA say, right?

You also have eyes I assume, and you can look at the sky, to verify just how accurate Stellarium is. Guess what: you're not going to find a fault.

I think the point is Stellarium is programed by NASA. But in order to make the night sky line up with Stellarium NASA has to control everything in the night sky. Only God and Satan have the power to do that. So I think this is further proof that NASA is run by satanists.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Transit of Mercury
« on: May 09, 2016, 11:46:44 PM »
I like how Jroa is the only FE to respond to the OP, and all he is doing is trolling.


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Here is someone who photographed the sun in Madison USA. Summer and Winter. During USA winter the Earth is closest to the Sun. During USA summer Earth is farthest from the Sun.

http://webpages.charter.net/darksky25/Astronomy/Articles/sun/sunindex.html

Doesn't quite match up with the path of the sun on a flat map does it.

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To add to my earlier comment. The sun actually gets bigger during winter in the USA. Shouldn't it get smaller because it's moved towards the south?

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