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The Lounge / What'd you guys think of the SpaceX launch today?
« on: May 30, 2020, 02:11:49 PM »
Did anyone watch it?



Curious what people here thought about the whole thing.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
« on: June 15, 2019, 07:43:43 AM »
I already translated what you posted. You changed your settings. When turkey banned youtube a different message appeared.

Youtube is not banned in entire Turkey nowadays. It is illegally banned in only some computers like mine. when I ask this they say it's not forbidden. but this is a lie. This is because I think fetö/nasa did it.
VPN dude.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat earth and physics
« on: June 14, 2019, 06:55:46 PM »
In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.


I'd like to hear more about this.

The calculation method for Pi has flaw i.e. sacrificing a number of tiny fractions in the name of "approximation".
It's obligatory for Pi to be MORE than just 3.14159.

Within 45° the ratio for a circle line segment over the radius is 0.79289 : 1.

Phew = 4 [ (SinX) + (1-CosX)˛ ] OR 4 [ (SinX)˛ + (1-CosX) ] = 3.17157

Why are you calling it Phew? Why not just say Pi actually equals 3.17157? It's like you're saying there is a new constant that no one is considering.

Is Pi = 3.14 incorrect? Or is it true that Pi = 3.14 and Phew = 3.17?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat earth and physics
« on: June 14, 2019, 06:20:09 PM »
In this case: Pi=3.14159. It's obviously incorrect.


I'd like to hear more about this.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: June 13, 2019, 06:18:50 PM »
The fact that people get so triggered in the first place is telling of the state of our society. One thing Trump did was show how emotionally sensitive and mentally weak most of our population is, especially the millennial crowd (of which I am a proud member :) ).

The president or prime minister of other countries might actually have an important role to play, but not in America. Our non-elected government agencies run this country, not our politicians.

Voting for Trump (which I didn't) is no more useful than betting on who wins the Super Bowl.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: June 13, 2019, 04:15:09 PM »
I support Trump because it's fun watching everyone around me in the leftist utopia of Portland Ore collapse into a temper tantrum every time someone mentions his name.

My coworker (a 42-year old male) cried when Trump got elected and believes that we are literally reliving Nazi Germany. He told me that if his wife found out that I didn't vote for Clinton, he wouldn't be allowed to talk to me. There are many people here that operate this way.

It's too fun.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Has There Ever Been a RE v FE Debate?
« on: June 13, 2019, 12:03:43 PM »
a FE scientist.

Are there any? 

wise is a flat earth scientist, according to his/her profile page.  :P

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Flat Earth General / Re: Has There Ever Been a RE v FE Debate?
« on: June 13, 2019, 09:46:41 AM »
It just seems like a matter that would be resolved for a lot of people if it didn't take place only on internet forums and YouTube.

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Flat Earth General / Has There Ever Been a RE v FE Debate?
« on: June 12, 2019, 05:55:04 PM »
I'm searching for any live debate about FE. I can't find any. I know there are a few on YouTube that happen over podcast or over the phone, but they usually suck because it's between two people who know nothing about math or physics (like Jeranism) and they often leave issues open because they can't prove anything one way or another. So I'm wondering if anyone has ever debated a flat-earther in person (I'm picturing a debate like the one between Bill Nye and Ken Ham; a lot of people were interested in that one).

If there hasn't been one, why not? I'd bet any RE scientist would be willing to debate a FE scientist.

And if there hasn't been one, why hasn't the FE community tried to coordinate one? Like the Nye v Ham debate, it would generate a lot of interest and would be a good way for the FE to can more traction.

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Accelerometers in phones work like how other navigation devices. your mobile phone is part of a network and its location is shared tens times per second. You can learn your speed, acceleration, position, altitude and other information instantly thanks to the continuously updated position information.

This doesn't make any sense. OP is talking about the accelerometers inside phones that enable them to determine which orientation they are in (vertical or horizontal).

If a device needed location/network data to know its orientation, then it wouldn't work when it wasn't on a network. But of course, it does still work. You can test this by putting your phone in airplane mode or moving to a location without signal - your phone's ability to know it's orientation will still function.

Digital spirit levels work with the same technology and they do not use "location data."

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Flat Earth General / Re: Mandela Effect and Flat Earth
« on: June 03, 2019, 06:14:55 PM »
Yes. And for the Queen song: you can watch Queen live shows on YouTube. In some concerts Freddie would end that song with "Of the world" and in some shows he wouldn't. Simple. Regardless of what the official release of the song says, the fact is he often finished the song with "of the world" and that's why people remember it that way. And as mentioned before, that line appears in the middle of the song as well. People are just mistaken.

Some people think that the Mandela Effect is evidence of alternate realities or people going back in time to change things. Apparently they're messing with us by going back in time and changing "Mirror mirror" to "magic mirror" for some reason. There are a ton of videos on YouTube about it.

Many of the proponents seems to try to link it to Judeo-Christian stuff. Often you'll hear these people claiming that Bible verses have changed from what they remember (similar to the movie quotes from Snow White or Star Wars; they remember it one way and now it is different). Instead of just assuming that they remember it wrong, they conclude that people went back in time and changed the Bible (just like they changed these movie quotes). It's silly.

It's even more silly when you hear what they claim has changed. You'd think if people were going back in time to be malicious with the Bible, they'd change things that actually matter to the Christian religion - like whether or not Jesus rose from the dead; or whether or not Moses led God's chosen people out of Egypt. But no, instead, the evildoers decided to change "wine skins" to "bottles" and "lion" to "wolf." It is so inconsequential. Plus, it turns out, it all depends on what translation you're reading.

So some bloke reads in a Bible "no man puts new wine in old wine bottles" and says to himself, "wait a minute, it used to say 'wine skins', not 'bottles'" and they run with it and conclude that the Bible changed from what they read 20 years ago. They never do the 5 minutes of research it would take to realize that different translations say different things - some translations still say "wine skins" and some now say "bottles."

It'so silly, and some of the claims are just plain incorrect.

And if you don't subscribe to this Mandela Effect as evidence of time shifts and parallel universes and flat earth, you're brainwashed and living in the matrix. Fun.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Trump In On The Conspiracy?
« on: May 22, 2019, 03:01:31 PM »
On to the next problem, Trump agrees to fly around moon, "oops we botched that 'free-return trajectory ;)' - guess the VP will have to take the reins".
Now Mike, about those extra few billion you offered for NASA ;D?


The first conspiracy theory on this site that actually makes sense.

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Sometimes it helps if you don't take things so seriously.
You do realize that nobody except yourselves takes you seriously. The reason is because of answers like that and because of threads like this.

You guys are actually claiming that NASA and the FBI (which would actually give zero !@#$s about your forum) are compromising (erasing?) people so they don't talk about flat earth. I would think if it were even remotely possible, and if you guys even actually believed it, you wouldn't handle it in such a troll-like fashion. Why some people have thousands and tens of thousands of posts on this forum just to troll is beyond me, but to each their own I suppose.

So when I double-check by asking a couple questions, my suspicions are confirmed when you say "don't take it seriously." Don't worry, I won't - and no one else will either.

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All the suspects here were determined by taking into consideration the data such as the persons he was interviewed, the projects he was working on, and the persons and institutions he was receiving threats during his disappearance. you can review all of them separately. Most of them has written here and some of datas came from other forum. this will be taken into account when you present any objection to any of them, together with your evidences. however, the objections that do not rely on the document in the style of "all ridiculous" will not be considered.

Okay. Honestly, I'm still confused and this is even more confusing than the title and the first post. Are you saying these fifty-some odd forum-goers were "compromised" by NASA or some other agency in one way or another? I get that each case is different, but what is the one thing they all have in common?

I don't even see where this data comes from; there's nothing of substance linked to any of these "cases" and the first few people one the list have been active in 2019. Help me understand.

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Hold on!

Is this thread claiming that those who became inactive on the forums "disappeared" by the hands of NASA or another agency? I am not sure what the title "Members that cleared by NASA" means.

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The Lounge / Re: New Kid on the Block
« on: April 18, 2019, 10:02:16 AM »
but there are nasa, cia, fbi and nsa agents who work here. we need to be careful about them. there are many methods they use.

How do you know this? And why would the FBI care about the flat earth theory?

Legitimately curious.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Spacex launched the ham satellite
« on: April 18, 2019, 08:19:45 AM »
popcorn is an argument.

To be clear, ":popcorn" was meant to be the popcorn-eating emoji (doesn't seem to be supported on this forum), which was to represent me waiting in anticipation for any flat earth responses to OP - which hadn't happened in 24 hours. It's a tease.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Spacex launched the ham satellite
« on: April 17, 2019, 12:37:52 PM »
:popcorn

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why I got this result if the earth is flat ?
« on: April 17, 2019, 12:33:53 PM »
Hi,

I live in France in Lille.
I have a friend who live in montpellier.

We do an experiment .

We plant a stick in the ground (same stick for both).

When we observe the shadow of the stick we got two different one.

If the earth is flat the shadow should be exactly the same isn't it ?

No. Even on a flat plane, the sticks would have different shadow lengths because they are different distances from the sun. This is elementary. The only exception would be if the sun was the exact same distance from the two sticks.

You can go one step further and incorporate some maths (distance between sticks, height of sticks, distance and angle from the sun, direction and magnitude of shadows) to demonstrate that the earth is round. This is how they did it many moons ago.

You should do it. Those two cities are about 1000km away from one another so you could probably get some useful data. I have no friends otherwise I'd do it :)

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Flat Earth General / Re: FE - the real truth
« on: April 12, 2019, 06:33:27 AM »
Hi,

I don't understand why people are "debating" so much with FE ?
Isn't that clear that is a huge massive troll ?
And to be honest I'm impress by this troll it cost a lot of time and effort to keep going over years !

I mean gps, flight equipment and so many technologies prove that the earth is round.
If FE was a real thing and not a troll they can develop their own gps own space program etc... to prove their points.
Instead of this they are focusing on posting on some internet forum.

The truth is here the earth is a huge triangle that's it !

Yeah, I'm not convinced most of the movement isn't driven by trolls. I first heard about the new flat earth movement about a year ago. It was very fascinating to me, at least as an interesting thought experiment. I'm one of those folks that is curious about the moon landing conspiracies, so the flat earth thing just sort of added another dimension to my already-existing skepticism.

I spent many, many hours cruising the forums and watching their highly-regarded YouTube videos on the subject (I have some downtime at work). Most of what I was reading and hearing seemed to be coming from an echo chamber where they all just repeat each other with pseudo-evidence that the world is flat. Most of the gurus (dubay, jeran, sergant, etc.) on the subject don't give much evidence, nor do they actually do the hard work themselves to prove they earth is flat, but instead simply resort to calling non-believers as brainwashed fools, NASA-lovers, blind, stupid, etc.

Imagine actually believing the world is actually flat and that most governments, NASA, Amazon, United Airlines, and Google have all been lying to us! How drastic of a worldview change you would have! If the earth were actually flat, the entire meaning of existence would change. You'd think flat earthers would actually want to prove it. You'd think they wouldn't hesitate to travel to Antarctica to see for themselves, or spend the thousands of dollars to take a trip up to 70k feet (sounds like that's where you can see the curvature), or build a rocket with tons of cameras on it. How about sitting down with a scientist or mathematician and discussing it? Or how about asking someone from NASA for a sit down or debate? Any of this could be done with time and/or money, and if they banded together they could do it. Heck, all they'd have to do is have someone sail out toward the horizon and another person film it, then watch when/if the ship disappears from the bottom up. But that would only happen if they actually believed it - so the lack of actual exploration and original content shows me they don't.

Heck, I saw a jeranism video where he was showing that a T Mobile commercial "accidentally" shows us that cell networks are delivered by land-based cell towers instead of satellites, which apparently disproves the existence of satellites and shows us the earth is flat. All the flat earthers in the comment section went wild, as if they cracked the code! They fail to realize that everyone else on earth already knows that cell networks are NOT delivered by satellites. All they'd have to do is take a ferry out a few hundreds yards to see that they're cell phone coverage stops when they get far away from land - but they won't even do that because they would take effort. So they - and their guru experts - don't even know how basic technology works, so when they see it works different than they though, they assume they disproved it!

I've asked many questions on the different forums and got very disappointing answers (if any answers at all). The last question I asked on this forum was centered around "why would Amazon invest billions in satellites if they know the earth is flat." Only one flat earther actually answered my question and simply said "all global companies are in on the conspiracy." (facepalm)

So, in short, the whole subject is still appealing to me because I know there are legit flat earthers out there (I know one in person, but likewise, he is unwilling to actually put effort into exploring the truth) and I want riff with people on their different worldviews and see how people think. Again, it's an interesting thought experiment, at least. But I think most of the folks on the internet are trolling.

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all global companies are part of the conspiracy.

they probably don't have a work on satellites. I mean, I think they are going to established a terrestrial communication network on earth.

You're wellcome.

So when a company only operates domestically, they are not part of the conspiracy? Then when they start to offer products or services internationally, they become part of the conspiracy? How does that work exactly?

"Yes, you can start offering your services in the UK, but first... we must tell you... the earth is actually flat!. You have to keep it a secret, only a few people know! You okay with that?"

A little tongue-in-cheek, but do you realize how silly that sounds? 

I guess the point of your response is to say that you just assume that Amazon and SpaceX are lying, right? I'm not necessarily here to debate that. I just wanted to know how flat earth believers handle these kinds of stories. So thanks for your response.


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It's too late for me, but you can still save yourself.

Haha. Okay thanks.

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No flat earther has an opinion about this?

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So Jeff Bezos says Amazon is planning to launch more that 3,000 satellites that will operate in low earth orbit to provide internet to the world. In the view of flat earth theorists, is Amazon aware of the fact that the earth is not a sphere and Amazon is part of the conspiracy? Or is Amazon unaware and will find out eventually that the earth is flat when their rockets hit the dome or disappear, or whatever?

SpaceX also says it's planning to launch over 4,000 satellites in the future to offer the same thing.

How do you (flat earthers) interpret these stories or claims by these companies? Are they lying? Are they naive? Why would private companies invest billions and billions into something that won't bring them an ROI, where they would have to dupe thousands and thousands of people working for them in order to pull off?

If Amazon is successful in providing earth-wide broadband internet, are we to believe that they are actually not using satellites as they claim, but instead are using towers like cell phone signals and other wireless internet providers?

I am not trolling. I am legit asking how a person with the flat earth worldview processes these stories, because it is interesting to me.

Thanks.

Project Kuiper: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/04/amazon-project-kuiper-broadband-internet-small-satellite-network.html
SpaceX: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/17/spacex-testing-its-own-satellite-broadband-internet-network.html


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https://apnews.com/8a44f393f98a4b43bacf5034e398d796

Either they are lying or they severely miscalculated the distance traveled. Right?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why does this seem like a "new" movement?
« on: November 28, 2015, 07:48:32 PM »
Very interesting and insightful inputs. Thanks everyone. Much appreciated.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why does this seem like a "new" movement?
« on: November 25, 2015, 10:50:13 PM »
This is the first time in history that something can be easily researched using your own tools. It is the first time powerful computers are available to anyone. The sharing of information has become widespread. Whole computer operating systems and thousands of programs have been released. Tens of thousands of books and articles are available. People help each other without expecting reward or profit. Freely received freely given. People are learning to think for themselves. Once aware of a truth by your own convictions there is no going back. The deception is broken.

I understand all that. But the internet has been a common household tool since the early 2000s, at the latest. My question is more related to the very recent increase of content regarding flat earth (like hoppy mentioned). I was curious if something like, someone in the mainstream media recently saying something, or if something specific happened somewhere that caused this exponential growth in the volume of FE content in the last year or two.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The shape of the Sun
« on: November 25, 2015, 10:42:50 PM »
You saying impossible a bunch of times does not make something impossible.  I know you are running out of ammo, but please have some respect for yourself and your fellow roundies.  You are making yourselves look bad.   

What? Sorry to change the subject, but I respectfully have to disagree - I don't think he's making anyone look bad. I'm no physicist, but I think he is providing a solid case for why the explanation you gave does not hold up.

I understand you said "other flat Earthers have proposed ..." so it may not be your personal claim, but you essentially put forth an argument that - as far as I can figure - has been rebutted. Mainframes makes a good argument. It'd be nice to see his statements rebutted with a scientific/mathematical/logical argument.

Until then, it appears that you're just dodging his statement by insulting him (something I unfortunately see too much of on this forum. I'm not a flat earther, but I'm really trying to understand the theory and learn all I can before dismissing it, and its discouraging to see so much nonsensical insulting instead of honest discussion).

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Flat Earth General / Why does this seem like a "new" movement?
« on: November 25, 2015, 09:48:35 PM »
I've read the history of the Flat Earth Society. I understand this idea/belief of the earth being flat is not new. Still...

Why does this flat earth movement seem to have gained significant attention only recently?

I was introduced to flat earth theory (FET) maybe four weeks ago and it immediately sparked my interest in learning more. I'm not a "flat earther" (I'm probably still a "round earther" if I had to chose), but I'm still open to the idea of the earth "not being a globe". When I started doing some research - first stops: Google and YouTube - I noticed that almost all the videos, articles, etc. about FET are very recent (most are newer than 2014).

Here are some the YouTube channels responsible for some of the most-popular videos concerning FET, and the upload date of their first FET video.

Eric Dubay - The Flat Earth Conspiracy - Nov 14, 2014.
markksargent - FLAT EARTH Clues Introduction - Feb 10, 2015.
Rob Skiba - 17 TFR Revolutionary Radio Project - Apr 17, 2015.
DITRH - Flat Earth weather map - May 30, 2015.
jeranism - The Dogmatic Globe Defenders - Oct 16, 2015.
TheNASAchannel - 1ST FLAT EARTH VIDEO 2011 - Mar 31, 2011 (oldest one I could find).

If you do a YouTube or Google search of anything related to flat earth, you'll see all the search results are very recent. Just curious if there's a reason it appears this way. Thanks.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof the world is a sphere
« on: November 20, 2015, 03:52:42 AM »
No replies? I'm legitimately curious about how this would work on the flat earth model. 

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