Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - dim

Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 13
1
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 06:32:29 AM »
Hundred of years of experiments, thousands of astrophysicist, a vast majority of them not biased, not controlled.

So, yes I believe, but it doesn't stop me from having doubts and questions, until I learn about a better theory.

That is good for you.

What about astrophysicists and others, i think they all biased due to conformism that Earth is round and they dont admit it can be flat for the sack of zeteticsm. So, all their calculations and observations are erroneus in this sense.

2
Flat Earth General / Re: On perspective
« on: October 27, 2011, 06:14:55 AM »
Perspective does not tell how the sun appears to move from the eastern horizon to the western one.  Using only perspective, the sun would be far off, then get larger and larger, circle around behind you, and then move off into the distance, getting smaller and smaller the whole time.

At least sun's glare is really getting larger and larger and then smaller and smaller. And we, with our eyes, cannot notice the "body" of the Sun. Never observed it in the telescope with sunlight filter for a significant amout of time thou.

I am not exactly sure what you are saying, but I think you are saying that the size of the sun is not always the same.  Perspective does not account for the position of the sun, though.  It would only account for the size.

Perspective would change everything - position, size... perceived speed, color.

And on this picture mountain obstruct the light, so the shadow casts on everything behind the mountain, and on the bottom of the clouds too.

3
Flat Earth General / Re: Earth is round and very round.
« on: October 27, 2011, 06:12:01 AM »
I have seen videos in which the horizon is concave, convex, and straight, depending on where the horizon is in relation to the center of the video.  However, I seen seen other videos in which this was not apparent.  The horizon stays the same shape, even when the camera is bobbing around in the atmosphere, but changes with time, not position.

If camera is near the edge of the area lit by sun, then that light-edge would be seen as curved.

I agree.  It would if the sun were a spot light shining on a flat Earth.  However, that would not explain time zones, or in other words, the way the sun shines on different parts of the Earth at the times in which people claim it does.

But timezones are adapted for what people see. I dont see a discrepancy here.

I don't think we can reasonably debate time zones.  I have had meetings with individuals in China and South America at the same time using the internet.  No one was late.

I was in the military and I have personally used a radio to have a conversation with individuals several time zones away.  Our radio transmissions took place at the exact time that they would have in a round Earth.

With all of the billions of people across the globe, someone surely would have realized the the sun does not rise or set at the time that real scientists predict it to. 

I have, in the past, visited, three continents and one off shore American territory.  The local time appeared to always be accurate, according to the predicted noon day sun.  I think I would have noticed if the noon sun occurred at a time that was not close to noon.

Well, i need to repeat here, timezones are adopted with the sun appearings. What could be wrong with it? Sun just appears at one place in that time, and in other place at this time.

4
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 06:09:20 AM »
They fool you.

Basicaly a blackhole is an object so dense that it attracks everything in its neighborhood, including light. so a blackhole in our vincinity would already have absorbed everything around, including the Earth and the Moon and the Sun.

mmm...and how do they know it would absorb anything? they tell and you belive.

5
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 06:06:51 AM »
But, zetetics tells us not to rely on previous experiments, but to do them ourselves.  Have you done this?

I do my best! For 3 years I am in the idea of Flat Earth - and 3 years of intent attention to that question is only make me more assured that space, spacetravels etc are not what they tell us.

For the blatantly simple people of the past centuries was enough that Magellanus sailed around the world to prove it roundness. But we know now , that is could be done on the flat earth also.

Earth is grand enormous plate, with it's earthquakes and tsunamies. It is probably unlimited. 50%  of space in universe is nothing (space itslef) and 50% of space in universe is ground.  Other civilizations live far away from here in the horizontal distance. Humankind is not know how to make rockets that would on-fly hundred thousands miles(100.000).  Or at least it is not shown to the people what is going on there far away.

Antarctica is painted in google.maps, only the edges are photographies. Which means no equipment we have to even fly through the blistering coldness.

6
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 05:50:44 AM »
Don't talk nonsense. Study more, troll less. Learn astrophysics.

I dont know, it looks like Anti-moon can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BH_LMC.png

and moreover it's mere a supposition what is written in the Wiki about black holes.

You have no understanding of physics, yet you want to compete with thousands of astrophysicians!

Do not want to compete with them. But still, they could explain anything with mere simple words. But they always use numbers. And numbers fool!

7
Flat Earth General / Re: On perspective
« on: October 27, 2011, 05:49:16 AM »
Perspective does not tell how the sun appears to move from the eastern horizon to the western one.  Using only perspective, the sun would be far off, then get larger and larger, circle around behind you, and then move off into the distance, getting smaller and smaller the whole time.

At least sun's glare is really getting larger and larger and then smaller and smaller. And we, with our eyes, cannot notice the "body" of the Sun. Never observed it in the telescope with sunlight filter for a significant amout of time thou.

8
Flat Earth General / Re: Is the world really flat?
« on: October 27, 2011, 05:45:10 AM »
1Ph j00Z \/\/4|\|7 4 pL41|\| 4|\|D 51/\/\PL3 4|\|5\/\/3R. 1 PhL3\/\/ 4R0U|\|D 7|-|3 9L0B3.
if you want a plain and simple answer. i flew around the globe.

how do you know it is a globe?

9
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 05:42:27 AM »
So, are you saying that the anti-moon is not a zetetic observation, since it can not be observed?  It is just a guess?

Well, zetetic is a shadow on the moon and black-holes. But black-holes could be (by mistake or on purpose) made seen as very distant objects.  And i personally dont have a X-ray radar and cool powerful telescope to make my own zetetic experiments. And all who do have an equipment are often conformists of Round Earth, so their experiments and observations are erroneous.

and i dont count myself as a zetetic. Though I respect it's approach. I just know, that scientists and other "blue blood people" are always lie to the simple people, so it's not hard to them to make us not know about anti-moon, but to weight our heads with stinky black holes.

You quoted yourself, so I am not sure if that was directed at me.  But zeteticism is often proclaimed as being superior to the scientific method.  How do you feel about this?

Scientific method is too sophisticated and too much based on calculations of pregiven calculations and on ... terrible axioms that Earth is round!! So, i dont really trust in that kind of a Science. Zeteticim is cool and fair on the other hand : - )

10
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 05:33:30 AM »
How can you say that the anti-moon, which has never been observed, is a black whole, which has actual proof to help explain it?

They observe anti-moon and due to conformism(or to cover facts) discribe it as a black hole which is far-far away.

"I observed a pink pig orbiting a million of kilometers away, but they don't allow me to show you!"

These two sentences are at the same level, they lack of proof. Without evidence their value is zero.

Who observed antimoon? When? Where? Data? Evidence?

Who and why is more important then when and where.

And black holes are not Zetetic though.

11
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 05:29:15 AM »
So, are you saying that the anti-moon is not a zetetic observation, since it can not be observed?  It is just a guess?

Well, zetetic is a shadow on the moon and black-holes. But black-holes could be (by mistake or on purpose) made seen as very distant objects.  And i personally dont have a X-ray radar and cool powerful telescope to make my own zetetic experiments. And all who do have an equipment are often conformists of Round Earth, so their experiments and observations are erroneous.

and i dont count myself as a zetetic. Though I respect it's approach. I just know, that scientists and other "blue blood people" are always lie to the simple people, so it's not hard to them to make us not know about anti-moon, but to weight our heads with stinky black holes.



12
Flat Earth General / Re: On perspective
« on: October 27, 2011, 05:26:05 AM »
Just to try to stay on topic, this isn't about bendy light.  It's about perspective. 

Can someone (perhaps Tom) explain to me how the rising sun can cast a shadow of a mountain on the bottom of clouds if Rowbotham's explanation of perspective is correct? 

See:

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/10/26/the-long-shadow-of-mt-rainier/

Perspective makes sun to appear for an eye at the eye level and even at below eye level. It is just a visual effects. So, the very peak of a mountain obstructs the light (the effect of light) and makes a shadow on bottom of clouds. What discrepancy you see here?

13
Flat Earth General / Re: Earth is round and very round.
« on: October 27, 2011, 05:05:40 AM »
I have seen videos in which the horizon is concave, convex, and straight, depending on where the horizon is in relation to the center of the video.  However, I seen seen other videos in which this was not apparent.  The horizon stays the same shape, even when the camera is bobbing around in the atmosphere, but changes with time, not position.

If camera is near the edge of the area lit by sun, then that light-edge would be seen as curved.

I agree.  It would if the sun were a spot light shining on a flat Earth.  However, that would not explain time zones, or in other words, the way the sun shines on different parts of the Earth at the times in which people claim it does.

But timezones are adapted for what people see. I dont see a discrepancy here.

14
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 05:02:08 AM »
So, are you saying that the anti-moon is not a zetetic observation, since it can not be observed?  It is just a guess?

Well, zetetic is a shadow on the moon and black-holes. But black-holes could be (by mistake or on purpose) made seen as very distant objects.  And i personally dont have a X-ray radar and cool powerful telescope to make my own zetetic experiments. And all who do have an equipment are often conformists of Round Earth, so their experiments and observations are erroneous.

15
Flat Earth General / Re: Earth is round and very round.
« on: October 27, 2011, 04:55:57 AM »
I have seen videos in which the horizon is concave, convex, and straight, depending on where the horizon is in relation to the center of the video.  However, I seen seen other videos in which this was not apparent.  The horizon stays the same shape, even when the camera is bobbing around in the atmosphere, but changes with time, not position.

If camera is near the edge of the area lit by sun, then that light-edge would be seen as curved.

16
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 04:37:54 AM »
How can you say that the anti-moon, which has never been observed, is a black whole, which has actual proof to help explain it?

They observe anti-moon and due to conformism(or to cover facts) discribe it as a black hole which is far-far away.

Who is they?  Is it NASA?

Not NASA. I dont know who told Copernicus and others to start a simulation of Round Earth modelling and makeing it a  first thing children are told about. Some witches i guess )

17
Flat Earth General / Re: Earth is round and very round.
« on: October 27, 2011, 04:35:37 AM »
I do know some witches, but you will just either have to take my word for it or not.  It does not matter, though, since the point that Tom is trying to make is that witches never existed and that people were being sheep to follow mainstream science.

In the videos I have seen of amateur rocket launches, the horizon starts off looking flat, but then becomes more round as it gets higher.  I have seen some that obviously show curvature when it should not be there, but many of them show a flat horizon that gradually curves as the altitude increase.

Didn't you see videos showing straight horizon? or also videos where horizon even concaves cuz of fish-eye effect. But in the middle of the process(between curving and concaving) horizon is straight.

18
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 04:30:53 AM »
How can you say that the anti-moon, which has never been observed, is a black whole, which has actual proof to help explain it?

They observe anti-moon and due to conformism(or to cover facts) discribe it as a black hole which is far-far away.

19
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 04:29:13 AM »

You cannot see the Sun from anywhere, cuz when it is far from you - you can not see it.(a perspective)

If it's small because of distance, I should see AT LEAST his light, like I see the lights from the other stars that are farther.

Quote
Lunar Eclipse - is a weird thing, but if there are "dark holes", sure we can suppose an Anti-moon here. 

It's like saying "Bananas exists so we can suppose an apple here".

Quote
I think, that this body surrouned by clouds(producing clouds) at all times, so it can not be seen from the Earth. Or may it be transparent but capture the light - as "dark holes" do.

1) Nebulas are "surrounded by clouds" but with a telescope you can see it clearly and they are so much farther than "antimoon". Surrounded by clouds doesn't meen invisible.

2) Black holes are trasparent to light (but they emict X-rays!!! so in every case we know where they are!) for a reason: they are so massive that the escape speed is higher than speed of light. antimoon surely doesn't have this property.

Quote
Maybe those dark holes are those anti-moons.

Please...

1) When something is far away it is not small, it is not seen. Even flock of birds 1-2 miles away will seen like dive into horizon. So with the sun. It just far away and obstructed by the horizon, and no light we see cuz atmosphere is not fully transparent.
2) It's like we dont know what is black holes, and dont know what is anti-moon - so maybe it is a same thing? Just a hypotesis.
3) i mean clouds in sky like in nasty weather.
4) nobody experienced a blackhole's power or any other qualities. It's mere a supposition of scientific persons that it has some qualities. So, if we see shadow on the moon and no any other object seen - we could also suppose, that it is a body unseen for the eye that obstruct the light and produces a shadow on the moon.
Black holes emit X-rays? Sun and Moon also do.

20
Flat Earth General / Re: Earth is round and very round.
« on: October 27, 2011, 04:22:08 AM »
In the 1600's people didn't believe in the existence of witches because they knew witches existed. They believed simply because that what they were told to believe by their authorities.

Are you suggesting that people did not practice witchcraft in the 1600s?  Just because you don't believe in witches, that doesn't mean that witches don't exist and just because you don't believe that the earth is round doesn't mean that it isn't.

Tom said that people DID believed and were sure that witches exist, because they were told about this.  But at that time there were much more truth than we have now.

You are right.  Tom did say that.  But in the context of his post, he is implying that what they believed has been disproved in modern times.  However, witch craft has not been proven to be false.  Modern people today still believe in witch craft and practice it and no scientific evidence has proven that it does not exist, unlike, for example, the scientific evidence that proves the Earth is not flat.

Well, I don't wanna say that witches are not exist, but i never seen them, so i never seen round world(and can't imagine it, really). It much more easier to comprehend mere a flat earth.

I dont know scientific evidences that prove the Earth is not flat, but a camera on a baloon shows straight horizon(if it is not wide-angle or fish-eye lens).

21
Flat Earth General / Re: On perspective
« on: October 27, 2011, 04:17:12 AM »
Thanks, I've been here before and that's not very helpful.

And what is wrong with that picture? Shows flatness.

Did I say there was something wrong with it?  I just don't see how it is possible on a flat earth without bendy light.  Specifically, I believe it is evidence against Rowbotham's perspective explanation.  I'm just looking for someone who believes in Rowbotham's explanation of perspective (like Tom) to explain how it is possible.

What is bendy light?They light that curves?

And how it is possible on the flat earth? Sun is far away and rays it emits are obstructed by the mountain which makes a shadow...  Direct straight rays, why it would bend in this picture or on the flat earth?

22
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 04:12:24 AM »
Don't talk nonsense. Study more, troll less. Learn astrophysics.

I dont know, it looks like Anti-moon can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BH_LMC.png

and moreover it's mere a supposition what is written in the Wiki about black holes.

23
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 03:02:14 AM »
If there was a black hole over our head, it would suck everything around it, not only light, but the Moon, the Sun, the Earth and so on.

That what scientits suppose it can be. But in reality their black hole can just be an anti-moon, which is much easier to understand, but still a weird thing.

24
Flat Earth General / Re: On perspective
« on: October 27, 2011, 02:55:55 AM »
Thanks, I've been here before and that's not very helpful.

And what is wrong with that picture? Shows flatness.

25
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 02:52:52 AM »
Anti-moon = dark hole? Wrong.

Anyway nobody has never ever produce a clue about the Anti-Moon.
Modern science can easily disproove it.

Why wrong? they look up in the sky and see some weird black hole, that doesnt emit light, and it gets all the light. And as a conformists they think it is billions miles away, but at reality it is just above their heads. and moving fast, but they still think that it is Earth rotates. Could be? Yes, it can.

26
Flat Earth General / Re: Earth is round and very round.
« on: October 27, 2011, 02:48:54 AM »
In the 1600's people didn't believe in the existence of witches because they knew witches existed. They believed simply because that what they were told to believe by their authorities.

Are you suggesting that people did not practice witchcraft in the 1600s?  Just because you don't believe in witches, that doesn't mean that witches don't exist and just because you don't believe that the earth is round doesn't mean that it isn't.

Tom said that people DID believed and were sure that witches exist, because they were told about this.  But at that time there were much more truth than we have now.

27
Flat Earth General / Re: Some questions.
« on: October 27, 2011, 02:38:43 AM »
Not all your question can be answered in the clarified light, but:

You cannot see the Sun from anywhere, cuz when it is far from you - you can not see it.(a perspective)

Lunar Eclipse - is a weird thing, but if there are "dark holes", sure we can suppose an Anti-moon  here. And the orbit of the Moon is all times different, so those variations could happen because of Anti-moon.

I think, that this body surrouned by clouds(producing clouds) at all times, so it can not be seen from the Earth. Or may it be transparent but capture the light - as "dark holes" do.

Modern sceince has so many questions, Zetetic too. They could be allies. May be those dark holes are those anti-moons.

28
Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Stars... Revisited, or the Stary night explained.
« on: October 12, 2010, 07:22:28 AM »
If clock goes from left to right - it is clockwise....

What is that single point around which stars rotate and it is opposite of North Pole(and Polar Star)? We all know RET, but does it match with reality?

29
Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Geographic problem
« on: October 12, 2010, 07:20:53 AM »
  Southern Hemisphere is an unpopulated empty land that nobody cares about?

It's really a clue in here.

30
Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Geographic problem
« on: October 12, 2010, 06:51:01 AM »
I mean, is that a real picture and not photoshopped?


Pages: [1] 2 3 ... 13