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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« on: July 22, 2007, 12:24:21 AM »
I really don't get why people don't realize that Narcberry is a troll and not an actual FE'er.

The Sun explodes with a force equal to several hundred nuclear bombs every second. That's why it's a giant fucking ball of flame. This reaction is occurring at the center of the Sun where everything is squeezed together, but due to the insanely massive amounts of mass involved (about 300,000 times as much mass as the Earth, or, roughly the same difference as the difference in height between Mt. Everest and a Marshmallow), this reaction will take billions of years to complete because there simply isn't room enough for all the atoms to squeeze in at once.

This wasn't difficult. This is information I recall from a high school textbook. It's neither obtuse nor arcane knowledge. Until someone actually provides a reason to discredit it, it stands.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why ask for evidence?
« on: July 22, 2007, 12:15:14 AM »
How many hundreds of n00bsters come to this site and leap right into "Show me evidence"
Why?

Let's be honest here, even if a FEer gave you an absolutely perfect explanation, you are going to dismiss it and continue believing in RE anyway

While an interesting claim, this remains firmly in the realm of speculation. I think a more modest test would be to see what happens when a FE'er offers a moderately tenable explanation and go from there. Unfortunately, this also seems to be, at the moment, untestable.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Conspiracy? Yes.
« on: July 18, 2007, 11:58:04 PM »
C doesn't exist.

EDIT: Henseforth: Kolumbia, Khallenger


Ch is actually the only valid use of the letter. Henseforth, the letter kalled c shall only apply to the cosen sound.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« on: July 18, 2007, 04:44:37 PM »
Is the irony in claiming that any exploration beyond the wall is impossible due to imagined darkness, and then linking to an aerial image of the icewall obviously taken by a helicopter during the day, intentional, or what?

Some sections of the Antarctic coast are tall and sheer. Others are not.



Is there any reason to believe your bubble hypothesis for the atmosphere? Is there any reason to believe that those who claim to have been to the South pole were lying, and that further explorations there are the result of a massive conspiracy? Is there any reason to believe that the sizes and shapes of bodies in the Southern hemisphere necessary to contain such a theory are accurate?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« on: July 17, 2007, 07:35:08 PM »
They do not disprove anything. Documentation of their observations do not equate to actuality.

Of course they prove something. Either the observations are false, or the conjecture that the Earth is flat is false. You can, and others have, repeated these experiments and found them, within a certain acceptable margin of error, to be correct. They certainly roundly destroy FET claims.

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"Approximately 29 nations, all signatory to the Antarctic Treaty, send personnel to perform seasonal (summer) and year-round research on the continent and in its surrounding oceans; the population of persons doing and supporting scientific research on the continent and its nearby islands south of 60 degrees south latitude (the region covered by the Antarctic Treaty) varies from approximately 4,000 in summer to 1,000 in winter; in addition, approximately 1,000 personnel including ship's crew and scientists doing onboard research are present in the waters of the treaty region."

They are confined to specific regions in accordance with nation's territorial claims. I would venture that most of the routes involve straight lines (or geodesics if the Earth is indeed a sphere) and their instruments bring them to areas more commonly known as Antarctica.

The treaty was also signed one year after the formation of NASA.

And we still have yet to address the thousands of private individuals who travel each year to the Antarctic, and those who did so long before the formation of NASA, including those who reached the South Pole.

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We know what is claimed.

And if we trusted no third party testimony and no direct observation of our senses, we wouldn't know shit about shit, and we'd sit around twiddling our thumbs and waiting patiently for death. Your attempts to defeat any advancement of human knowledge because there is an absurdly small chance that people could be lying en masse for no good reason or everything we see could be a hallucination is, to say the least, bizarre. Familiarize yourself with Ockham's razor.

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"Bad ideas" is a matter of subjectivity, not objectivity or facts. The same is apparent with values. They are relative and subjective.

Wrong. Lots of bad ideas can be tested and proven wrong.

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The FET is very easy to discount, I agree.

Are you even trying to be consistent? How do you reconcile this with your last statement?

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I agree, some portion would need to be distorted.

If I ask which parts would have such easily measurable distortions, are you going to make more mystical appeals to unknowable forces?

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Um, "a redshift can occur when a light source moves away from an observer" - Why would you assume that the other celestial objects are moving slower than we are and not faster?

If they are accelerating at the same rate as us, there would be no red shift.

If they are accelerating at a slower rate than us, we would have caught them long ago.

If they are accelerating at a faster rate than us, they would be so far away that light from those stars would have no chance of reaching us within the lifespan of the Earth.

There's a lot of problems caused by constant acceleration.

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No. My implication was that they wouldn't be stupid enough to send intelligent soldiers to the Ice Wall.

And yet they need to in order to insure that the very expensive technology is managed properly and the job done correctly. What a wonderfully delicious catch-22.

You made no such implication, you merely stated that the soldiers there would naturally be idiots. The simplest conclusion is that you think this is the default. But this goes back to that Ockham's Razor thing you're unfamiliar with.

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As I said, I cannot speculate on the technology used that would greatly diminish the number of required personnel.

When you appeal to things you claim you cannot know, it's called "mysticism", and it doesn't really form any kind of an argument. It may be that there are mystical forces at work we can't understand, but without an ability to understand them or impact them, their existence is irrelevant, functionally, and can be discounted.

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And the 1960s is not pulled out of my ass. NASA was formed in 1958. The discovery of their Earth's spherical nature or lack thereof would be probably be in the few years preceding or succeeding that formation.

Wrong. We have numerous proofs of the shape of the Earth that long precede this. They have been laboriously explained to you.

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Reverse what? I said - "I suppose the people in the conspiracy would use the global estimated time to reach Antarctica, instead of using a more accurate figure?? Sounds smart."

Which they would be unable to do when the distances between locations are more than twice as wide. They can't magically make battleships travel at twice their normal cruising speed and not have anyone notice.

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I suggest that they have several technological triggers in place, although what they are and how effective they would be is something I cannot speculate on.

This is functionally no different than your attributing it to magic, so I can dismiss your argument as a bad one.

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It seems hospitable enough for the scientists that inhabit it year-round.

You might want to check again.

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I just found it interesting that you'd compare $100M to $12B and suggest that it wouldn't be enough motivation.

Speaking of reading comprehension being key, check that number again. Not 400 million, chief, 400 billion. That's how much real military operations on the scale you're suggesting cost.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« on: July 16, 2007, 11:48:54 PM »
I've never denied that their experiments were repeatable, or that they support conventional wisdom.

Their experiments directly disprove FE theory. Either you are arguing that their experiments are wrong, or you're arguing that FE is unequivocally false. Which is it? (Side note that their experiments are in fact wrong, but with some minor adjustments we arrive at the correct estimates).

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How many people do you suppose venture out that far?

Thousands every year. Maybe you should have some rudimentary knowledge of the things you're going to speculate on.

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We also don't know how the navigation methods used work out when heading south and where they'd end up.

Don't be idiotic, of course we do. If you mean to say that we don't know how Southward navigation would work if FE's theories were true, that's probably because there isn't a logical solution. Hence, the claims can be dismissed as false.

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As for 'memory erasing devices', I wouldn't put it passed them that they could induce amnesia through its various causes. Although none of us could really know.

You need to stop pretending that all ideas are equally valid. It's neither intelligent nor open minded. A good, critical thinker will try to discount bad ideas so as to get at the good ones. Value judgments= teh win, as they say. Flat earth is easy to discount. Your attempts at defending it avail no one and advance nothing like human knowledge.

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Those flat Earth maps are only taking the globe and supplanting it into a plane. It is in no way accurate, that should be a given.

That's because it's impossible for it to be accurate while maintaining the measurements known for the world's oceans and shipping routes, because they rely on a curved plane. Get this through your head; a flat earth is impossible without vastly distorting some area of the globe. That's why map-makers have such a difficult time.

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Since when is the Earth, the universe?

If the Earth were constantly accelerating in one direction in an otherwise normal Universe that were expanding outwards, and we had been doing so for at least human history, we would not see a red shift in the stars and bodies "above" us, i.e., those that we are accelerating towards; we would be approaching them at a speed many times that of light. This idea is untenable. FE requires discarding all our working knowledge of the Universe, as the two are incompatible.

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As Tom would say, "I look out my window and it's flat"...but as for really valid? There isn't anything really.

Then shave off the unnecessary assumptions, man. This isn't rock science.

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Well, not everyone in the military is 18-years old, nor are they all high-school dropouts. Quite the opposite in fact. So I'm confused how I insulted 'everyone in the military'. Another trig and Gulliver attempt?

Because your post directly implied that this was the norm for military personnel. Moreover, since the issue was not everyone figuring out the problems at hand, but rather anyone doing so, you were implying that everyone in the military was a slack jawed college dropout.

If you did not mean to imply this, perhaps you should study English further and advance your own education so that you may express yourself more clearly in the future and avoid that kind of socially awkward mistake.

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12,000 military members since the 1960s? Why so many?

Because the ice wall would have to be very massive, several times the size of the equator, and  maintaining and keeping track of all those stations is going to require a lot of effort. Also, 1960's is pulled out of your ass; try since the late 18th century, when, need I remind you, maintaining the conspiracy with current technology would have been insanely more difficult.

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I suppose the people in the conspiracy would use the global estimated time to reach Antarctica, instead of using a more accurate figure?? Sounds smart.

Reverse it. The times would be much longer than predicted, not much shorter; you're talking about crossing bodies of water that are more than twice as large as predicted.

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What I'm suggesting isn't large at all in regards to military involvement. Quite the opposite.

What are you suggesting, then? And does it have any grounding in anything like reality?

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You're comparing 4 years @ 100M per year to the average of $8.559 billion ($12.681 billion dollars in real terms) per year that NASA has gotten over its 49 years. Ok.

Yes, I am. And Iraq is much, much smaller than the theoretical Ice Wall, and much more hospitable to life. Nor is it required that people there engage in large-scale deception. Where are you going with this?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« on: July 16, 2007, 07:26:42 PM »
They didn't do it accidentally. They recorded their experiments and their observations, I don't see what the fuss is.

The fuss is that they're repeatable experiments that give roughly accurate measurements for the size and shape of the Earth and the distance of the Moon and Sun. These measurements also roundly (ba dum ching) disprove any tenable flat earth model.

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They kill and sink approaching ships? How do you know this?[/quote]

Why do FE'ers, or would-be devil advocates, love trying to be coy so much? If they don't terminate approaching ships then they have to warn them off. If they warn them off, word gets out that no one can go on antactic expeditions without MIBs swarming them and sending them away.

Unless you're going to suggest that the government has memory erasing devices.

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The "shape" of the ocean doesn't have relevance. But clearly it hasn't been inaccurate over all these years. Explain again how these people are in on the conspiracy?

Are you really this dense? The size and shape of the Oceans as we know them only works on a globe. Note how every even somewhat tenable map of the Flat Earth shows the oceans much larger in the Southern hemisphere. This completely fucks up world history beyond recognition.


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Well, besides that any information about the universe would be tainted if this theory were true, where did I say the universe wasn't expanding?

The universe cannot be expanding in every direction if it is constantly accelerating in one direction, for reasons that I hope are obvious.

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Speculating about the UA though...who is to say that the Earth isn't some flat portion of rock that was shot upwards from the Big Bang? Given all the facts, clearly unlikely, but so is this flat Earth theory.

Ockham's fucking razor is to say so. Is there a single valid reason to believe in a flat earth that requires an enormous conspiracy to maintain it's existence?

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Never seen that movie, and that isn't my opinion of the military. Convenient of you to think so though.

Oh, shut your gob hole. Don't insult everyone in the military and then try to play the part of the wounded victim when people call you out on it.

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This proves that every member of the military is in on the conspiracy? No. A sect of the military, employed by NASA and other members of the conspiracy would suit just fine.

Everyone in a position of oversight would have to be in on the conspiracy, and able to maintain this secret against every under officer and enlisted man. It is true that not every single member of the several million man military would have to be in on the conspiracy, but it is also true that no one claimed this. What you seem to be unable to understand is that even the few dozen thousand over the centuries who would have had to be in on it makes this conspiracy improbably to a degree that it would be difficult to express in numerical form if we were to turn every atom in the Universe to ink and paper.

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What distances and times do you think they'd notice for travel? Where are they traveling?

I think that the many thousands of soldiers we had in the Asian-Pacific in WWII would, for instance, notice that all the travel distances between islands were three times as long as estimated.

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Why would the money come from anywhere else? $16B to NASA, and include the other various agencies, I'm sure there is enough to go around.

That's because you're lacking in knowledge and imagination. Sixteen billion is nothing for a large government/military operation of the scale you're suggesting. In four years, for comparison, the Iraq war has rung up 400 million. And these are basic operational costs; what you need to maintain that kind of conspiracy, with money as your only motivation, even if that would suffice, is going to be much greater; people aren't going to keep a lid on that kind of secret for a living wage.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Who's in on the conspiracy? Info for the FAQ
« on: July 16, 2007, 12:00:34 AM »
Wrong. They did not need to be in on the conspiracy.

...Because? Or were you just going to assert that they accidentally generated scientifically repeatable experiments that proved the earth's spherical nature?

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Could be a number of reasons for why. For one, they could be told anything regarding a detail in Antarctica. They are not required to be in on the conspiracy.

The problem with that is that then they wouldn't kill/sink any approaching ships, because it would be against the rules of engagement. They have to be both in on the conspiracy and nefarious.

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Wrong again. Governments are not required to be in on the conspiracy, but it's likely a few would know. Space agencies of governments and "private" ones are obviously needed to be involved however.

Wrong. Forget space travel; far more important to the formation of world history is the simple size and shape of the world's oceans. Many, many, many people have been involved in disputes, shipping routes, and wars and battles that depended upon information about the size and shape of the oceans and major seas of the world being accurate. They would all need to be in on the conspiracy or all blissfully unaware of why their estimates keep turning out wrong.

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Not surprised by your stupid assumption.

Those who live in glass houses...

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Why would they never claim to see it? It still doesn't prove anything. You're doing a terrible job so far.

Yeah, a mysterious curvature to the Earth that's only visible at very high altitudes doesn't prove anything. It's just an optical illusion that doesn't work at ground level or even small hills because of the magical leprechauns that refract light back to the dark matter acceleration disk conspiracy.

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Care to share?

We could start with the existence of an entire Universe expanding in every direction, every direction, including what should be "downwards" relative to the theoretical flat earth's acceleration, full of spherical bodies and not a single flat planet.

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Is the sun not round?

It's both round, and ninety-three million miles away.

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As for the stuff I didn't comment on, it was just too stupid to bother.

If you took this attitude towards every bit of every post someone made, we'd all be much happier.

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I'm sure some 18-year old high school drop out that enlisted can tell his exact location by looking at the stars. Not to mention, they can easily be told they are guarding something in Antarctica which wouldn't be that far from the truth. You're not exactly brought up to question your orders in the military.

And as extensive and formidable your personal knowledge of the military and the way it is conducted no doubt is, derived directly from such prestigious sources as watching Full Metal Jacket a half dozen times, you seem to have neglected a few key aspects, such as;

- The personnel needed to oversee and assign and manage these numerous antarctic stations, a task which inherently requires knowing the size and shape of the Earth.

- The shipping for all the materials and supplies needed to maintain these way stations, which requires captains and certain staff on board ships also having said information.

- The possibility that maybe not everyone in the military is as blazingly idiotic as, say, you, and might be able to notice things like days being much longer (but still at a regular rhythm, contrary to our current expectations of conditions around the poles), the increased, rather than decreased, rotation of the stars, the unusual distances and times involved in transportation and travel over what would be expected... I mean, I suppose they could just pick out the stupidest soldiers imaginable, but that seems counter-productive to their goal of keeping this massive conspiracy entirely secure, especially given the extremely sensitive and expensive equipment needed for this continued indefinite operation.

- Where the fuck the money for this entire thing is coming from, anyway.


In short, you're an absolutely terrible skeptic. Please save the job for those with at least a semblance of credibility.


If you consider all that plausible, you really must believe that unicorns are plausible.

Partly a straw man, but other than that, are you denying that there isn't a misconception amongst how the idea of a unicorn appeared?[/quote]

Unicorns, a powerful horse with a single horn- gentle around maidens or children, but capable of savage fury.

Dragons- Serpentine, lizard-like river dwellers of staggering size, power, and viciousness.

Fairies- Mischievious, tiny people that live in trees and can be alternately helpful or malicious.

Ogres- Large, hairy humanoid beings that hate and eat human beings (see also giants and nephilim).

Flat Earth- A belief that, because the Earth appears to be flat, it is flat.

Lots of myths have origins. So what?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If Earth really is flat...
« on: July 11, 2007, 10:29:38 PM »
You could read the FAQ, you know. It wouldn't kill you.

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And on a Flat Earth finite plane, they would just cut off.

GET IT INTO YOUR BRAIN.  That isn't the point.  Yes, that is what we are assuming.  But listen, the point is a drop off or a sinking object CANNOT happen on a Flat Earth.  A finite plane would be like the objects just stop.  Think before posting.  Look at the third picture.

However, if there is an atmosphere for the far away vanishing point to hide behind, the receding left hand prisms absolutely could appear to breach the line of the horizon.

I like that word- could. Is there any reason to believe that this is actual occurring though, other than an ad hoc desire to prove FE right somehow?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Where do waves come into play here?
« on: July 06, 2007, 10:13:51 AM »
so when a ship goes over the horizon it is the waves that make it seem to sink, but what about on a large dry lake bed where there are no waves like this one?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/iconscience/104763669/

The distant mountains in that image are in full view, not obscured from the bottom up.

Therefore the earth is flat.

They're not obscured between their tops and the horizon either, Tom. That's because they're clouds.

I think you might've meant something like this?


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I think this shut Tom up.

Either that or he isn't awake yet.


Shhhhh.... let him dream.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: I'm tired of them
« on: July 03, 2007, 01:15:02 AM »
I like the liberal use of copyrighted video game images.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: "sinking skyline" effect
« on: July 02, 2007, 01:36:23 PM »
Don't we already have fifty different threads where TomB's points are disproven and he just stops posting in that thread? Do we need more? Really?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: I just do not get it
« on: July 01, 2007, 10:10:11 PM »
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That is exactly what I am talking about, if the FE community launched a ballon and provided their own Photographic evidence that showed a flat plane then at least there would be some support that the thousands upon thousand of pictures and videos were faked

The Flat Earth is a circle, right?

If we send up a high altitude balloon and look at the horizon we will see an elliptical rounded horizon with a sharp drop off into blackness. the apparent "curvature of the earth" comes from the basic shape of the Flat Earth: a circle.

In FE theory, the dropoff is the ice wall. So if the rounded horizon is anything but a wall of ice for Antarctica, then your explanation doesn't work. And if all visible horizons in every direction were ice, you would have proven FE theory.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The mass of the cosmos on the FE.
« on: July 01, 2007, 09:54:40 PM »
I think it's fair to say that Tom Bishop doesn't actually read replies at this point.

Hammertime: Don't you need a crew of fellow spammers to spam-attack? Or is that no longer the standard operating procedure?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: I just do not get it
« on: June 30, 2007, 11:07:43 PM »
Weather Balloon- Upper, upper estimate- 1000$

High-quality camera- Upper, upper estimate- 5,000$

Dreaming the Impossible Dream- Priceless

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Antarctic Experiment
« on: June 30, 2007, 10:51:42 PM »
So I guess anyone who claims to have sailed around Antarctica is part of the conspiracy. Problem solved.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: I can prove it's not round
« on: June 29, 2007, 08:36:04 AM »
That's not the main FE argument. Dr. Rowbotham demonstrates mathematically through careful experimental examination that the surface of standing water does not arc in the manner supposed. That is the argument upon which FE was originally based upon.

You mean... he observed things? *dundundun*

Supposedly observed things, I should say.

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The difference is that Flat Earth Theory is not set in stone.

Yes, it is. This is why I and others have entertained the idea that the Earth might be flat, examined the questions this raised, and been able to rule them reasonably implausible (massive convoluted conspiracy theories) or flat-out contradictory or wrong (pretty much everything else).

FE'ers, on the other hand, don't entertain the idea that there's a much simpler explanation for all the many questions they struggle to answer and the holes in their theory struggle to compensate for, and it's that the Earth is round.

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Flat Earth Theory does not make assumptions without experimental evidence.

What about your assumptions about ice walls, conspiracies, inaccurate jet stream speeds, etc., etc.?

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Dr. Rowbotham openly admits that there are no visible or observable mechanisms for what moves the celestial bodies, or for what powers the sun. Therefore, as a Zetetic, he cannot make an experiment or an assumption. The topic is left unanswered as it should. Dr. Rowbotham differentiates himself from the theorizers in this fashion, by only explaining the direct and observable, by conducting honest experimental evidence and letting the results speak for themselves.

Bullshit. He theorized that the Earth was flat, and then conducted experiments to try and prove this/disprove the round Earth. There's nothing wrong with that; it's called the scientific method. But don't try to criticize other people for the exact same thing.

Go to your dictionary and look up "hypothesis".

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Stephen Hawking, in stark contrast, conducts zero experimental evidence to back up his hypothesis.

Stephen Hawking is bound in a wheelchair, genius. However, he doesn't have to conduct extensive experiments himself; he can conceive of a hypothesis and have students or friends conduct experiments to falsify the hypothesis for him. It's easier to do this when you have standing in the scientific community because you're not a fucking nutjob.

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Stephen Hawking is a fraud scientist, nothing more than a dreamer. His followers take in his mathematical fantasies like sheeple,

The very fact that you use a term like "sheeple" renders your argument unfit for anything but mockery.

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incorporating his delusions into mainstream science without confirmation or experimental evidence of any sort.

Because I assume you're still on about the expansion of the Universe, I should point out two things lest you embarrass yourself further.

1) Stephen Hawking didn't propose the idea of an expanding Universe. This happened before Hawking was even born. Hawking merely made an analogy about it.

2) You can see the expansion of space all the fucking time. Try a rubber band. Try warming an object- you'll notice that, while the mass doesn't functionally increase, the size of the object does.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Psuedoscience
« on: June 27, 2007, 11:00:36 PM »
The sun becomes hazy and squishes into the horizon as it sets, as Rowbotham predicts in Chapter 10 of ENaG. See this image.

Actually look at the picture, Tom. The Sun doesn't "squish". It submerges a degree at a time. It does not become blurrier, more hazy and indistinct and squashed until the last light of day finally disappears. It submerges entirely, with some distortion but retaining a high amount of clarity, over the course of 15-30 minutes.

If you want a picture that disproves FE without the confusion-inducing cloud cover, try this;



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While Rowbotham's explanation may not be true, there are obviously a lot of optical effects going on as it is near the horizon. One can only guess at what effects are affecting the sun, and why these effects occur at that time only. Remember, the setting sun is also an illusion in the RE model. The sun does not really set.

But the Sun's setting corresponds to RE predictions. This makes RE more useful.

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I am not willing to personally measure the size of the oceans, Are you?

You're willing to rely on photographs taken by others and on experiments done by others. Why should I not be able to rely on measurements taken by others?

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Jet Streams. Failing that, it simply means that the FE model is mistaken in the position of the continents.

Regardless of how you positioned the continents, you could not close the gaps; a fixed flight time over the Pacific merely fucks up the Indian and Atlantic.

Also, I'll quote myself;

To be concise

- The jet streams only go in one direction except seasonally.

- The jet streams average 35 mile per hour in the Summer and 75 miles per hour in the Winter. The 250 mph you listed is the highest recorded speed within the jet stream, not it's average.

I'd say you're still stuck on a lie.

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What peer reviewed experimental evidence disproves a Flat Earth?

We could start with going to the Moon, a feat which no credible scientist has ever questioned the validity of.

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Did you see my thread in the Information Repository which lists a large collection of Flat Earth literature?

No. The question once again becomes, however; why should I trust your hundreds of sources (assuming it stacks up to that many) when you discount my thousands? That seems to make you the veriest of hypocrites.

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Well if NASA is all you have, of course the Conspiracy will be invoked! That's the premise of this website after all: Everything you know about space and the shape of the earth is a Conspiracy.

What if I refer to the many movements and behaviors of the celestial bodies and the tides, as well as satellites, which all correspond to RE predictions and counter FE predictions?

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Dr. Rowbotham is correct in his math, and how the earth should curve on a Round Earth. Read through ENaG again. The math in Earth Not a Globe is completely accurate.

It's wrong if it predicts a significant curve over a stretch of ground obsevable from a standing, even position. If the Earth's curvature could be seen that readily, I'm afraid you would have nothing to stand on at all, as this is essentially your only valid argument. The curvature is only visible at all from very high altitudes, and it's slight. Because the World is big.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Psuedoscience
« on: June 27, 2007, 08:21:29 PM »
Flat Earth Thorey is testable,

You never responded to the tests involving the size of the Sun and it's image near the horizon that completely contradict FE predictions. You never responded to the tests involving the size of the Oceans that contradict FE predictions, or airline flight times. FE theory is testable, but you appropriately ignore the evidence that disproves it.

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and has been tested by hundreds of independent investigators.

Source. I suppose it's also useless to point out that many, many thousands of people have verified the round globe, since you'll just cry conspiracy.

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Results indicate a Flat Earth. Standing water does not form an arc of a circle as predicted

Predicted by people with bad math skills? Do you have any idea how large the Earth is?

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All observations suggest a Flat Earth. One simply needs to take a walk down the road to realize that he is walking on a plain. One simply needs to take an international flight to see that the earth does not curve in the fashion predicted by a spherical earth.

One need simply lift one's hand to determine that your hand is larger than the Sun. I only need to close my eyes to determine that I can cause all light in the world to vanish. Funny, that.

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It's actually the Round Earthers whose theory relies on faith; faith in NASA. There is not one piece of experimental evidence otherwise which suggests a globe earth.

Except the ones that are part of the conspiracy, of course.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Psuedoscience
« on: June 27, 2007, 03:33:43 PM »
Unfair burden. Everything TomB posts is inaccurate.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What's the story on this picture?
« on: June 26, 2007, 07:10:00 PM »
Why should we listen to you, an anonymous internet persona, over a professional lighting and perspective expert who tells us directly that there is no physical possibility for the NASA images to have been shot from the moon?

Why should we listen to a lighting and perspective expert over thousands of scientists and astronauts, genius? Do you not even see how ludicrous your appeal to authority is in light of your claiming every authority who disagrees with you are a liar?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What causes Earth's upward acceleration?
« on: June 26, 2007, 03:07:23 PM »
Starvation is caused by sinning

...what about Gluttony?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Flight times experiment
« on: June 26, 2007, 12:32:39 PM »
To be concise

- The jet streams only go in one direction except seasonally.

- The jet streams average 35 mile per hour in the Summer and 75 miles per hour in the Winter. The 250 mph you listed is the highest recorded speed within the jet stream, not it's average.

I'd say you're still stuck on a lie.

Bump.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Psuedoscience
« on: June 26, 2007, 12:13:47 PM »
I'm tired of Tom B's bullshit. Do go on about the evolution thing. How has it been tested?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: TheEngineer is not a pilot.
« on: June 26, 2007, 12:11:59 PM »
This debate is stupid. Rentacow's honesty is certainly out the window, whether or not he's a pilot.

I'd still like someone to address the curvature found in pictures, however.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What's the story on this picture?
« on: June 26, 2007, 12:10:13 PM »
NASA would not need to employ soldiers. The expenditure of defence, which garnered $290 billion in 1999 would be more plausible in regards to the shipment of supplies, men and their training.

Believe it or not, if you tap into the Department of Defense's budgets to station thousands of soldiers and very expensive equipment around Antarctica, they're going to want to know why. In detail.

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NASA would however, need to pay a large number of scientists as well as the people they contract out to for some equipment, provided those aren't lies. And then of course the people fabricating the physical evidence.

Are you suggesting that the manufacturers that make parts for NASA are also in on the conspiracy?

I think the best sign of an invalid conspiracy is that the closer you examine it, the more caveats and members have to be added onto it.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Flat Earth theory is great and all, but...
« on: June 26, 2007, 02:33:28 AM »
Teutonic theology isn't any sillier than most major religions, when you get right down to it. Certainly cooler than most.


Odin's so badass.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Psuedoscience
« on: June 26, 2007, 02:24:46 AM »
So, evolution isn't science? That certainly isn't testable in any meaningful or relevant sense.

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