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Flat Earth Believers / Re: FE Conference Interview

« on: Today at 08:28:49 AM »

Back in 2020 creationist Danny Faulkner wrote a book about the flat earth movement which is a blanket condemnation. In my opinion agnostic heliocentrist Glenn Branch studies the flat earth movement more accurately than Faulkner and wrote a critical review of Faulkner’s book at that time. Branch has perhaps effectively filled the void left by Robert Schadewald’s death back in 2000.

https://skepticalinquirer.org/2020/06/flat-earthery-will-get-you-nowhere/

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: FE Conference Interview

« on: Today at 07:38:29 AM »

At the Flat Earth International Conference (FEIC) 2019 in Dallas, Texas, flat earther Nathan Thompson cornered heliocentric creationist Danny Faulkner. Since Nathan believes in an enclosed universe, he asked Danny “How can you have air pressure without a container?”

I have heard Mark Sargent say that his favourite flat earth proof is that the difference between air pressure and a vacuum disproves gravity. I had honestly not understood what he meant by that until Nathan Thomason’s graphic question brought it into focus. At Flatoberfest 2023, I asked Mark Sargent to expand upon that while Danny Faulkner was listening just a few feet away:

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Noah’s Ark Full Size Replica

« on: Today at 04:44:24 AM »

I visited the Creation Museum near Cincinnati, Ohio a few years ago while I was an over the road truck driver and have wanted to visit the full size replica of the Ark since it was opened. I plan to visit on Saturday, July 11th.

The Creation Museum has a well stocked bookstore with creation science books - both from its own publisher Master Books and others such as Bob Jones University Press. Obviously, their astronomical books are heliocentric, but their biology and geology books are good.

The staff are knowledgeable and interested in the subjects. My conversations with the staff were good and full of content. The staff and the bookstore were two of the highlights for me.

The Creation Museum has various presentations throughout the day. I expect the Ark Encounter has a similar set up.

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: May 24, 2026, 08:18:07 AM »

The author of the 1819 flat earth book entitled ‘The Anti-Newtonian’ and also of ‘Reflections on the Inconsistency of Speculative Astronomy’ appears to be James Fosbury.

The following link is James Fosbury’s correspondence with the British Board of Longitude circa 1819:
https://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/MS-RGO-00014-00055/197

The following link is an informative article by a globularist writer named Glenn Branch entitled ‘Did the Anti-Newtonian Inspire the Flat Earth Movement?’

If I ever run across this Glenn Branch, then I should thank him for doing part of our research for us. That’s not to imply he’s impeccable as he quotes Kelly Weill whom I saw at FEIC 2018 in Denver. Her anti-flat earth book brought nothing new to the table and rather brought to mind the biblical proverb “Depart from the presence of a fool when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.”

I’ll see whether I can obtain a digital copy of Branch’s article pro-bono at my community college library this week in order to copy and paste it here - or at least elicit the worthwhile information from it:

https://skepticalinquirer.org/2025/12/did-the-anti-newtonian-inspire-the-flat-earth-movement/ 

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: May 24, 2026, 07:37:26 AM »

…In the early 1900s, under Lady Blount's leadership, the Flat Earth movement sent associates to Antarctica. Their findings were documented in Lady Blount's science journal Earth Not a Globe Review (later shortened to Earth Review) and led the society to officially adopt the Bi-Polar model (See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Bi-Polar_Model).
…

Does anyone have links to specific issues or articles in the ‘Earth Not a Globe Review’ or its successor in which trips by flat earthers to Antarctica in the early 1900’s are mentioned or documented?

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: May 24, 2026, 03:47:05 AM »

There is a misconception that after Rowbotham the Flat Earth model was always the monopole model. In the early 1900s, under Lady Blount's leadership, the Flat Earth movement sent associates to Antarctica. Their findings were documented in Lady Blount's science journal Earth Not a Globe Review (later shortened to Earth Review) and led the society to officially adopt the Bi-Polar model (See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Bi-Polar_Model). The modern revival of Flat Earth has mostly failed to follow the initial research, instead depicting Rowbotham's original mid-1800's model.

 In case anyone is interested in a reprint of ‘The Anti-Newtonian’:

https://app.thebookpatch.com/BookStore/the-anti-newtonian-the-authors-archival-of-evidence-reflecting-on-the-inconsistencies-of-modern-astronomy/ff0f9266-619f-4517-bbd9-b7e85974b004

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: May 11, 2026, 08:43:09 AM »

For what it’s worth, although the essay in this link pokes fun at the ‘The Anti-Newtonian’ (1819 version), it is perhaps not altogether useless. It appears to contain a rather cohesive version of the diagram which has unfortunately been reproduced in a somewhat distorted way in the most common pdf version online:

https://www.bobforrestweb.co.uk/Barren_Tracts/pages/16_The_Anti-Newtonian.htm

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: May 10, 2026, 05:53:31 PM »

Wise, thanks for your comments.

I have a geological world map depicting elevations which shows Antarctica and Greenland as the two most elevated regions in the world which appears to me to confirm statements made in the Christian Topography and (if memory serves) also in Earth Not a Globe. I realise I need to review these books to pinpoint the location of such statements in the text of both books - to have such verifiable references.

Also, it’s been so long since I’ve posted any photo in this forum that I long since forgot how to post a photo stored in my phone or else I would have already posted the aforementioned world map.
I’ll also have to find again the source of this map. I’m particularly much interested in finding supporting scientific literature for what the map depicts.

I happened across both the aforementioned map and such statements about the elevations of Antarctica and Greenland in a geological study, and I’m kicking myself for not having recorded the source of this at the time I ran across it.

I’ll post such information when I retrieve it.

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: May 08, 2026, 07:52:54 PM »

Wise, I appreciate the conversation and your answers as they tend to confirm some degree of similarities with the YouTube flat earthers. If you don’t mind, I have another question. You said:

“Regarding the numbers, pinpointing an exact percentage of those who accept the Antarctic Midnight Sun is difficult, as it's a fluid environment. However, it is safe to say that those who hold it as a physical reality are in the minority.”

Well perhaps. However, I have a question about a different group of people altogether.

Concerning people who believe the earth to be a globe, would you say it’s safe to say the majority hold the midnight Antarctic sun as a physical reality?

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: May 04, 2026, 06:30:57 PM »

Well, I stand corrected. Wise, I actually appreciate your comment because it helps gauge where people stand on this forum. I’m not trying to argue. I wanted to get an idea of where people stand.

 I have not been regularly active on this forum in many years and have only occasionally stopped to check in. So, I mistook Tom Bishop’s position as representative of the flat earthers on this forum generally. I may not necessarily agree with Tom Bishop on every detail, but I admit I found his main conclusion agreeable. After being away from this forum for quite some time I was quite glad to see the basic conclusion that he arrived at on this subject.

Wise, you have obviously been active in this forum and are much more familiar with it than I. So, let me ask you a question.

What percentage of flat earthers active on this forum accept the Antarctic midnight sun as real?
How many reject it?
And how many would you say are undecided?

Would you say Tom Bishop is in the majority among flat earthers on this forum concerning his  acceptance of the Antarctic midnight sun as real?


Wise, without splitting hairs it sounds like your own position is roughly similar to that of David Weiss in that evidently neither one of you think it’s real. Just an observation.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / The Duran

« on: May 02, 2026, 10:12:05 AM »

About three years ago I began to search out content creators and podcasters to see who had the best news analysis. As a result I became aware of several informative resources.

The centrepiece of these is the Duran, a program of geopolitical analysis by two Greek gentlemen, Alexander Mercouris and Alex Christoforou.  I usually listen to their program every day, and the knowledge has rather complemented my library.

https://www.youtube.com/theduran?ra=m

I am excited because the Duran along with a couple other of the aforementioned podcasters will be speaking at a conference in Chattanooga, TN on August 1st & 2nd. I know it’s expensive, but in any event, I’m going and already have my ticket.

https://www.1776lawcenter.com/

This is convenient for me since I’m working on an associates degree, and the event occurs in between the summer and fall semesters.

Since Chattanooga is located so close to Knoxville, TN, I wonder whether John Davis or other flat earthers in that area might be interested in a Chattanooga meet-up at the end of July or first week of August?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing

« on: May 02, 2026, 09:34:30 AM »

CCR - Midnight Special



Those flat earthers who accept the phenomenon of the Antarctic midnight sun as reality brought this tune to mind.

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: May 02, 2026, 09:11:29 AM »

Well, at least we are agreed that the Antarctic midnight sun is quite real and visible above the horizon without setting (particularly in Decembre and January) and that this phenomenon is not faked as certain disingenuous flat earthers (such as for example David Weiss) have stated.

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: April 28, 2026, 07:51:15 AM »

I'm not sure why anyone wants to talk about the Antarctic Midnight Sun when I've shown that light is behaving abnormally and radically in phenomena which passes right over your head.

We have been aware of the Bi-Polar Model for decades. Even the Flat Earth model prior to Rowbotham's model had two poles. Further study of this would be interesting to add to contribute to futher knowledge and perhaps distinguish between Flat Earth models, but again, why talk about something which is occurring in Antarctica, when we can simply look up and see that we live in a surreal world?

One reason I’m interested in talking about it is I’m not convinced those explanations are correct, but I’ll look into them more.

If you recall I am the one who several years ago first mentioned the Anti-Newtonian on this forum, and I’m glad I did so because you’ve evidently long since made an excellent online encyclopaedia article about that book.

I also first posted a link to Robert Schadewald’s book on this forum. I corresponded with him back in the 1990’s and still have that correspondence. He had mentioned to me about his book back then in the late 1990’s which had not yet been completed to his own satisfaction.

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Flat Earth Believers / History of Cosmography

« on: April 27, 2026, 05:30:28 PM »

History of Cosmography

I. Ancient Cosmography
https://odysee.com/@Dionysios:e/Flannery_001:d

II. Rise of Globularism
https://odysee.com/@Dionysios:e/Flannery_002:2

III. The Christian Cosmos 
https://odysee.com/@Dionysios:e/Flannery_003:2

IV. Islamic & Latin Science
https://odysee.com/@Dionysios:e/Flannery_004:3

V. Triumph of Globularism
https://odysee.com/@Dionysios:e/Flannery_005:b

I videotaped a 5 part history of cosmography from ancient pre-Christian times to the eighteenth century in lecture format. I deliberately bypassed the nineteenth century flat earth movement because that is already well known.

This video consists of about 5 hours of lecture and is clearly a rough first draft, especially because I did not take time to streamline my notes to perfection so that I could read word for word. Consequently, although I know exactly the thought or point I want to express I often pause searching for the precise word or phrase which makes for a presentation that is more poor than the content, but I wanted to get something started upon which I can improve. As I said, the presentation needs vast improvement, but the basic structure will remain.

This video was recorded in Vancouver, Washington in one day on March 1st 2024 and does not include much comment about the Antarctic midnight sun. The second edition will mention the Antarctic midnight sun in the section about ancient Christian cosmography which I’m convinced provides a model that explains this phenomenon incomparably better than modern flat earthism since the nineteenth century.

I have collected quite a bit of material debunking the space program which this series does not yet touch upon. If another segment is ever added to this, it will not focus upon modern flat earth movements. It will rather focus upon debunking the space age and in that context constitute a continuation of the final segment dealing with the “triumph of globularism”.

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Flat Earth Believers / Russian Flat Earthism

« on: April 27, 2026, 04:12:05 PM »

Like many of its ancient traditions, Russian flat earthism is derived from Byzantine tradition. Texts like the ‘Christian Topography’ of Kosmas Indikopleustes were translated from Greek to Slavonic.

Today only three Byzantine Greek manuscripts of the Christian Topography are known to still exist, but approximately 100 Slavonic manuscripts of this book from across many centuries survive giving evidence that Russia has preserved a tradition of flat earthism that has survived intact since Byzantine times.

A 200 page history of Russian cosmography was written by Anne-Laurence Caudano entitled:
‘Let There Be Lights in the Firmament of the Heaven’

This history is published and sold by Palaeoslavica for $50 postpaid.
https://www.palaeoslavica.com/id5.html

Many scanned facsimiles of Slavonic manuscripts of the ‘Christian Topography’ from the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries are online. Several of these manuscripts are replete with cosmographical and astronomical illustrations:
https://rusneb.ru/search/?q=%D0%A5%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F+%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%8F&c%25255B%25255D=3&c%25255B%25255D=14&c%25255B%25255D=30&c%25255B%25255D=31&c%25255B%25255D=25&c%25255B%25255D=23&c%25255B%25255D=7&c%25255B%25255D=5&c%25255B%25255D=15&c%25255B%25255D=20&c%25255B%25255D=13&c%25255B%25255D=4&c%25255B%25255D=22&c%25255B%25255D=28

I found one Slavonic manuscript of this book from as late as the early 1800’s replete with full colour cosmographical illustrations. This is not very long at all prior to Rowbotham’s time.
This manuscript was produced some time between 1800 and 1825 which makes sense. The Old Believers were repressed by the Romanovs, but they had a period of respite from the accession of Catherine in 1762 to the accession of Nicholas I in 1825 who renewed the old persecution.
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/gdc/gdclccn/20/18/69/40/11/2018694011/2018694011.pdf

Although the Christian Topography and flat earthism were evidently alive and well in the Russia of Ivan IV Grozny, Russian scholars indicate that Peter the Great reversed this, and after Peter Romanov flat earthism is found almost exclusively among the Old Believers. The early nineteenth century Slavonic manuscript I found was produced by Russian Old Believers.
https://www.loc.gov/item/2018694011/

Concerning the earlier Byzantine history of this famous flat earth book, a sharp and perceptive art teacher named Travis Lee Clark has written the best study I’ve seen correcting many errors and calumnies against it by its detractors both modern and ancient:

‘Imaging the Cosmos’
By Travis Lee Clark
https://digital.library.temple.edu/digital/api/collection/p245801coll10/id/2022/page/0/inline/p245801coll10_2022_0

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: April 27, 2026, 03:30:00 PM »

There is a misconception that after Rowbotham the Flat Earth model was always the monopole model. In the early 1900s, under Lady Blount's leadership, the Flat Earth movement sent associates to Antarctica. Their findings were documented in Lady Blount's science journal Earth Not a Globe Review (later shortened to Earth Review) and led the society to officially adopt the Bi-Polar model (See: https://wiki.tfes.org/Bi-Polar_Model). The modern revival of Flat Earth has mostly failed to follow the initial research, instead depicting Rowbotham's original mid-1800's model.

Even so, the Monopole model has not been abolished from tfes.org. It remains viable because the Antarctic Midnight Sun can still occur under it.

Thanks for the comments. Back about 2018 I was first alerted to this dual pole model of Blount and Smith.

If I may recount a bit of recent history of the “YouTube” flat earth community…

The dual pole flat earth model is popular with Karen Endecott who organised the Flatoberfest conferences which were the biggest flat earth conferences from 2019 to 2024 (roughly 400 attendees). These were a continuation of the large FEIC conferences of 2017 to 2019 - the Flatoberfests having much more intelligent organisers I might add. 

The “YouTube” flat earth community to some extent split into two strata because of the “final experiment” of Decembre 2024: those who reject an Antarctic midnight sun and those who accept it.

Those who reject the reality of an Antarctic midnight sun are more inclined to open ended conspiracy theories and perhaps less likely to even be aware of the dual pole model.

Among those YouTube flat earthers who accept the Antarctic midnight sun are the Globebusters group originally founded by (the late) Bob Knodel and more recently including the following: 

Globebusters
https://www.youtube.com/@GLOBEBUSTERS1

Austin Whitsit
https://m.youtube.com/@Witsit

Alan
https://m.youtube.com/@space_audits/featured
https://aethercosmology.com/c/main/4

Shane St Pierre
https://m.youtube.com/@shanestpierre

The aether cosmology group is a derivative or continuation of Globebusters. This is a concise history of how this flat earthers group was formed:

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Flat Earth Believers / Re: Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: April 12, 2026, 07:01:55 PM »

New Concepts in Global Tectonics
https://www.ncgtjournal.com/

Obviously not a flat earth group, yet one with better than average information about geology.

An explanation about this group of international scholars:
https://davidpratt.info/ncgt-jse.htm

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Flat Earth Believers / Antarctic Midnight Sun

« on: April 12, 2026, 06:57:02 PM »

I had not thought often about the possibility of a 24+ hour (non-setting) sun in Antarctica at the height of southern summer (around Decembre and January), but the Decembre 2024 trip of a couple of flat earthers to Antarctica got me reflecting upon it. And shortly afterwards I came away with two main conclusions.

First, this endeavour known as The Final Experiment or TFE did show conclusively that a midnight sun is visible in the Antarctic sky at that time of year. This information has long been obtainable previously, but it’s not the kind of information that most people generally bother to verify.

On this first point I might also say that some members of the flat earth community have generated absurd conspiracy theories to explain away the self evident truth about the midnight sun rather than accepting that reality as fact. I disagree with that and further find it consistent with the unfortunate fact that many flat earthers indulge conspiracy theories which I view as a phenomenon characteristic of much (but not all) of modern American society and not an intrinsic characteristic of flat earthism because the nineteenth century flat earth movement did not have the level of conspiracism inherent in flat earthism since the movement expanded after 2015.

My second main conclusion is that the modern flat earth model derived from Sam Rowbotham fails to explain the midnight Antarctic sun whereas the ancient flat earth models including especially the ‘Christian Topography’ of Kosmas the Egyptian monk does explain it. This is the great significance of the TFE in that it justifies the ancient Christian flat earth model.

As good as Rowbotham’s model usually works, one of the key differences between Rowbotham and the ancient models is that Rowbotham has no mountain in the Arctic north. Kosmas, however, has a large mountain orbited by the sun which casts a shadow upon part of the world. This shadow constitutes night.

Since it has been shown that the sun’s light is powerful enough to shine brightly from at least England to both of the Americas and Australia covering both the Atlantic and Pacific oceans simultaneously, it seems evident to me that the only thing preventing it from also shining its light on Russia and India at the same time is that a physical object in the Arctic north blocks the sun’s light and casts a shadow of darkness opposite the sun.

It’s not because of any great distance since the sun is only hundreds of miles away. The inverse square law legitimately refutes the absurd claim that stars are allegedly light years away, but here we are only talking about a few thousand miles at most.

As far as the identification of the mountain, unless some uncharted island is forthcoming (which I don’t rule out), then I would identify it with Greenland which is the northernmost known landmass in the world. I would like to gather more information about it, but much geology says that Greenland and Antarctica are the two most elevated landmasses in the world. I have found some information about this including a useful world map showing this in an international journal published by a group of dissident geologists who question continental drift theory which I will post in the comments.

Also, both Kosmas and Rowbotham have made statements in their respective books about the elevation of the world being higher in the Arctic.

Finally, it appears that the elevation of the sun varies throughout the year. Kosmas’s ’Christian Topography’ contains an image of the northern mountain with three rings around it at three different levels of elevation which correspond to the sun.

The point is that the sun has a particularly high elevation during Decembre and January - so much so that the shadow cast by the northern landmass does not quite reach Antarctica at that time which explains why the sun does not set when viewed from Antarctica during part of Decembre and January.

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Flat Earth Believers / FE Conference Interview

« on: April 12, 2026, 06:01:33 PM »

The following is a brief interview I had with Kyle Adams at Flatoberfest 2023 which was a flat earth conference in Las Vegas. Most of the interview summarises how I came to flat earthism back in the 1990’s.

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Flat Earth General / Flatoberfest 2021

« on: August 29, 2021, 10:06:10 PM »

Flatoberfest
(Flat Earth Conference)
Magnolia Grand Event Centre
Spartanburg, SC

23 & 24 Octobre
(Saturday & Sunday)

https://flatearthfestivals.com/flatoberfest2021/

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?

« on: September 05, 2020, 09:00:59 AM »

Can you prove that atoms even exist?

I understand that Pierre Duhem was a prominent chemist of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries whose book ‘The Aim and Structure of Physical Theory’ says that although atoms do not exist, theoretical models about the interaction of elements such as the periodic table can be useful to a limited extent.

https://books.google.com/books/about/The_Aim_and_Structure_of_Physical_Theory.html?id=5mVPK7QBdTkC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button

I should say that a French priest who was particularly interested in science named Stanley Jaki wrote a sympathetic biography of Duhem that delves into the contentious issues of late nineteenth century science and which I perceive could prove more insightful to read for an appreciation of an overview of the history of physics before reading books by Duhem himself.

‘Uneasy Genius:
The Life and Work of Pierre Duhem’
By Stanley Jaki

https://books.google.com/books/about/Uneasy_Genius_The_Life_And_Work_Of_Pierr.html?id=qXDwCAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flatoberfest

« on: September 05, 2020, 07:36:48 AM »

Ms. Karen B, the organiser, has updated the list of speakers:

https://flatoberfest.com/the-presenters/

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flatoberfest

« on: September 05, 2020, 07:29:04 AM »

Did you get a chance to ask D. Marble why he ran away from Team Skeptic when he realized who he was

That’s actually a very worthwhile question - not because of Team Skeptic (whom I’d honestly have to look up to know who you’re talking about), but because D Marble has generally been openly critical of racism and other inappropriate things within flat earthism, and rightly so.

I’m personally good friends with Darryle Marble whom I’ve met at multiple meet ups in Oregon and conferences including Dallas and Denver.

I mentioned to him on one occasion that modern flat earthism could use some anti-racism and historical education both for its own ethics and to be consistent with its history.

If I may call the Flat earth movement of the past five years the “YouTube Flat Earthism” as opposed to this forum which is about 10 years older, then I have to say the politics of the Youtube flat earthers tends to be further to the right in general. During the past year especially Darryle Marble has denounced racism among some flat earthers which I think has been therapeutic for the movement. It needed that. One of the things that tipped it off may have been Owen Benjamin’s monologue at the Dallas conference during which he freely used the n word, denounced holocaust museums, et cetera.

I would not say most “YouTube flat earthers” are like Owen Benjamin, but it’s good and even necessary that people like Darryle Marble are there to stigmatise such things.

Although personally I confess I am more drawn to the “YouTube” flat earthers probably because of the prevalence of agnosticism on these forums as well as a couple of other issues, if this forum has a saving grace (other than its online library) I think the political awareness and perspectives on this forum have in the past often enough been a bit more astute than aggregate of those in the “YouTube” movement.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?

« on: August 24, 2020, 06:36:38 PM »

‘The Smyth Report’, the official US government history of the Manhattan Project issued in 1945 does not report about any kind of secrets that could be stolen.

https://www.orau.org/ptp/pdf/smythreport.pdf

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?

« on: August 24, 2020, 06:30:57 PM »

‘The Atom Spy Hoax’
By William A. Reuben
(1954)

The author William Reuben  was a personal friend of the Rosenbergs and organised their international support network. He also wrote perhaps the best defence of Alger Hiss and expose of Nixon.

Reuben was an enemy of McCarthyism and vigorously defended its victims.

This iconoclastic book in particular debunks the spirit of atomic energy and alleged Soviet evil connected with McCarthyism.

I would go so far as to say that the theory of relativity and the theory of a nuclear atom being debated in the 1930’s were never resolved scientifically. It was the spirit of anti-communist totalitarianism in the late 1940’s and McCarthyism that arbitrarily took it for granted that these theories were incontestable facts with dangerous consequences vis a vis nuclear weapons in the wrong hands.

A 1980’s interview with the author:

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?

« on: August 24, 2020, 06:19:34 PM »

‘Five Days in August’
By Michael D. Gordin

https://books.google.com/books/about/Five_Days_in_August.html?id=LoQgCgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?

« on: August 24, 2020, 06:13:50 PM »

This 20 minute interview with Michael Gordin about his short but highly informative book ‘Five Days in August’ contains a wealth of pertinent neglected knowledge about the atom bombs:

https://vimeo.com/109149783

I have to say this particular book by Michael Gordin written when he was younger is an eye opener that goes against the grain and holds its own because it stands on the evidence, but his later stuff is much less impressive with a perspective conformist to standard American views.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?

« on: August 24, 2020, 06:10:06 PM »

‘Five Myths About Nuclear Weapons’
By Ward Wilson

https://books.google.com/books/about/Five_Myths_About_Nuclear_Weapons.html?id=70ZRhKAHM4oC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?

« on: August 24, 2020, 06:08:19 PM »

Apparently motivated by the research of Tsuyoshi Hasegawa and Michael Gordin, Ward Wilson wrote a book entitled ‘The Five Myths of Nuclear Weapons’.

This is an article by Ward Wilson that summarises Hasegawa’s debunking of the American view of the end of World War 2:

‘The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan...Stalin Did’

https://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/30/the-bomb-didnt-beat-japan-stalin-did/