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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is Virgin Galactic a scam?

« on: June 20, 2014, 12:01:35 AM »

If I was a satan worshiping organization, I would do what I could to hide the symbolism as well.  Just because it is not a perfect incomplete pentagram, that does not mean it is not an incomplete pentagram.  Satan worshipers are sneaky like that.

You really have no clue, do you? What secret satanic organization is going to use satanic symbols in their PR material? The shit you're spewing doesn't even make sense.

And what the hell does satan worship have to do with the shape of the Earth?

Why would satanists give a crap and why would they be part of a huge conspiracy to deceive the masses about the shape of the Earth?

And finally, do you realize that "satanists" don't actually believe in a satan? Or a god?

I still don't see where you're going with the whole satanism ploy. EVEN if NASA were satanists (which is an absurd notion) what the hell would that have to do with anything this forum discusses? You're throwing out meaningless ad homenims.

Satanists are not exactly known for telling the truth, such as things like the shape of the Earth, now are they?  It is perfectly consistent with a flat Earth.

Yeah, you're just pulling random bullshit out of your ass. Your assertion of "satanism" playing a role in anything that's been mentioned here is complete and utter crap. In fact, your even suggesting that's there's some connection is one of the dumbest things I've heard at this forum. And that's really saying something.

Satanists are no more prone to lying than any other person. In fact, since they are born of mockery of religion, it's arguable that they are MORE concerned with truth than the average Joe.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Mystery Of The Moon Is Finally Solved!

« on: June 19, 2014, 10:53:58 PM »

Well that just makes it consistent with all other FET evidence.

Yup: wrong.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Mystery Of The Moon Is Finally Solved!

« on: June 19, 2014, 04:14:30 PM »

Not proof. The picture is a disc in space, so it could be considered consistent with FET.
Not proof.

How are you concluding the picture to be of a disc at all? There's not enough information there to distinguish disc, sphere or pretty much anything else.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Mystery Of The Moon Is Finally Solved!

« on: June 19, 2014, 04:04:08 PM »

Is this the "image" that Vauxhall (and other flat earthers here) are claiming unequivocally proves the earth is a flat disc?  SERIOUSLY?

Which other flat Earth enthusiasts have claimed that?

One of our esteemed moderators for one.

In response to Vauxhall posting his doctored image, jroa commented:  "seems consistent with FET".

Yes, and he said that because it is consistent with FET. Why else would he say it? The picture has been digitally altered by NASA. My original still stands as unequivocal evidence of a flat Earth.

How is that picture "unequivocal"? It's extremely vague, to say the very least. Certain neither conclusive nor convincing.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is Virgin Galactic a scam?

« on: June 17, 2014, 10:22:22 PM »

If I was a satan worshiping organization, I would do what I could to hide the symbolism as well.  Just because it is not a perfect incomplete pentagram, that does not mean it is not an incomplete pentagram.  Satan worshipers are sneaky like that.

You really have no clue, do you? What secret satanic organization is going to use satanic symbols in their PR material? The shit you're spewing doesn't even make sense.

And what the hell does satan worship have to do with the shape of the Earth?

Why would satanists give a crap and why would they be part of a huge conspiracy to deceive the masses about the shape of the Earth?

And finally, do you realize that "satanists" don't actually believe in a satan? Or a god?

I still don't see where you're going with the whole satanism ploy. EVEN if NASA were satanists (which is an absurd notion) what the hell would that have to do with anything this forum discusses? You're throwing out meaningless ad homenims.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Noctilucent clouds

« on: June 17, 2014, 09:58:19 PM »

and you will not explain it...

And we already know why as I've expressed my opinion about jroe's intentions on this forum.

Refraction indeed does let the sun's apparent position seem higher in the sky and on a different thread a simulation has been made with the proposed modal that proves from a flat earth point of view the sun will never set and be constantly visible.

I'd surely like to see a diagram of how refraction needs to bend the light on a flat earth in order to create this "illusion".

From what I've gathered so far:

Nice! Finally, a diagram that clearly and accurately explains FE BS.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Polar circumnavigations

« on: June 17, 2014, 08:13:48 PM »

I'm still waiting for a FE'er to answer my question of the linear distance required to navigate around Antarctica. Knowing that distance would PROVE round Earth beyond a shadow of ANY reasonable doubt. The averaged shoreline of a normal continental Antarctica would be much shorter than a flat Earth "ring" Antarctica.

But we know that answer will never come. Especially when it would be the smoking gun the FE'ers need to at least get foothold in the scientific debate.

Since flat Earthers have no answer to my question, I went over to my globe and roughly gauged the distance required to circle Antarctica. My finding is somewhere around 13,000 KM.

Now, where are the records showing the route to be almost three times that length? The equator is about 40,075 KM around. Induction and reason tells us that to circle a border ice ring Antarctica would necessarily be a longer trip than the equator journey.

So... what's the distance AROUND Antarctica? This simple answer would pretty much settle the debate.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Polar circumnavigations

« on: June 16, 2014, 01:45:15 PM »

I'm still waiting for a FE'er to answer my question of the linear distance required to navigate around Antarctica. Knowing that distance would PROVE round Earth beyond a shadow of ANY reasonable doubt. The averaged shoreline of a normal continental Antarctica would be much shorter than a flat Earth "ring" Antarctica.

But we know that answer will never come. Especially when it would be the smoking gun the FE'ers need to at least get foothold in the scientific debate.

There is no flat Earth map.
Hasn't anyone ever told you that?

This relates to my comment how?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flying on an airplane I can see the curvature or Earth

« on: June 16, 2014, 01:40:11 PM »

Are you somehow trying to claim that the rim continent does not exist?

Of course Big Blue Marble is not claiming that Antarctica doesn't exist jroa!  You're either being willfully disingenuous or you're misinterpreting the content of his posting.

His questions are purely rhetorical, and he's asking you for answers.  He's not claiming anything one way or the other.

He's asking you why nobody with private planes has ever (apparently) flown any closer than the distance indicated in your image in order to get a more accurate image.

He's also asking you why there aren't literally hundreds of photographic images on the interwebs, showing far more clearly the Antarctic continent than does your image.

—Both perfectly legitimate questions I would've thought.

Big Blue Marble is also asking you why is it that we can't shine a laser beam from the top of a skyscraper in one continent and hit a skyscraper in another continent.  Monochromatic (single wavelength) lasers can easily travel tens of thousands of kilometres in space; why can't they do this on the surface of the planet?  The round earth answer is simply because of the curvature of the earth's surface.

So... what's the flat earth answer?

Why is it that only we round Earthers have the ability to read and comprehend simple posts? I'm somewhat certain that jroa is merely playing his usual diversion tactics to avoid answering an honest, meaningful question.

Seriously, jroa: Why are there NO pictures of this ice ring that SHOW it's "true" form? Why are the only pictures you can muster as so-called "proof" ones that are blurry, distant and utterly ambiguous? The picture you posted means nothing. It proves nothing.

And, no... I do not deny the existence of Antarctica. People go there. There are research bases there. It's on every globe and map. Quit playing games; You're not good at them.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Polar circumnavigations

« on: June 16, 2014, 01:31:00 PM »

I'm still waiting for a FE'er to answer my question of the linear distance required to navigate around Antarctica. Knowing that distance would PROVE round Earth beyond a shadow of ANY reasonable doubt. The averaged shoreline of a normal continental Antarctica would be much shorter than a flat Earth "ring" Antarctica.

But we know that answer will never come. Especially when it would be the smoking gun the FE'ers need to at least get foothold in the scientific debate.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Noctilucent clouds

« on: June 16, 2014, 01:26:02 PM »

The sun's light bounces off the flat earth and reflects up to light these clouds.  On a related note, clouds prove a flat earth.  Their bottoms are always flat just like the earth.

Really? It takes - literally - less than three seconds to prove you wrong. Either look up at the sky or do a Google Image search.

And, as sandmanMike said, how does the fact the SOME clouds have fairly flat bottoms have any bearing on the reality of flat vs. round Earth?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is Virgin Galactic a scam?

« on: June 16, 2014, 01:20:28 PM »

Do you notice the line through the S on NASA. It's a dollar sign. It's right in our faces.

Please notice that the NASA insignia is an incomplete pentagram.  Coincidence?  I think not. 

Ok, now I KNOW you two are full of crap and are nothing more than useless trolls.

How in the world did you get from "NASA is lying about the shape of the Earth" to "EVERY ONE is lying about the shape of the Earth" to "NASA is a satanic organization and they use a pentagram and dollar sign as their logo"? You two are utterly moronic if you believe this bullshit. And if you don't, quit intentionally adding to the world's misinformation. You're doing way more harm than good.

FYI: No dollar sign or pentagram exists in the logo.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: A glass dome in the sky? Really?

« on: June 16, 2014, 01:08:46 PM »

I'm only repeating the truth. You are severely brainwashed and do have heads full of garbage where this stuff is concerned. You may be intelligent but your naivety is off the chart.

No, you're only repeating utter bull crap.

Earth maybe round. It's just not a rotating globe.

Yeah, we know, like a pizza in the sky. Forever tossed upwards towards the great glass dome made of pixie dust. 
 

It doesn't make sense because you refuse to engage your brain into it and are also scared of upsetting your peers if you agree to anything other than what you were programmed to accept.

I'm pretty sure that no one here is "scared of upsetting their peers" by 'learning the truth'. I'm pretty sure that affliction only plagues you.

You aren't using your reasoning. You are simply regurgitating what has been programmed into your head by whatever means officially put out. Let your real senses guide you and you will see things differently. Don;t even start to do it until you strengthen up, as you are extremely weak minded at the moment. It doesn't always have to be this way. It's basically down to you.

Reasoning tells us that for the entire world of scientists to be in on some great conspiracy to brainwash the masses into thinking science is "hard" and that the Earth is a ball is absolutely absurd. Science is applied methodology. Science is neither "hard" nor "easy". It simply IS. Anyone with sufficient motivation can actively partake in science.

Because there has to be an ice dome. It is 100% certain. There is no other way. The problem you have is by not understanding why it is this way, because your head is full of ball turning sea and greenery that you allegedly saw in space pictures, going around a humongous ball of fire just burning away in your space.
You are scared of seeing science in it's easy form because that makes every person privvy to it all, which then destroys the hype that scientific people put upon each other, believing they are smarter than the average bear. It's nonsense.

And, again, your 100% certainty claim of stuff you have no evidence for (other than your own hyper-paranoia brain disorder) makes ME 100% certain that you're either outright lying or 100% out of touch with reality. I'm leaning towards the latter.

My idea (which I won't call a theory,  hypothesis or whatever) is that this website is just run by a bunch of people who no more believe in a so-called "Flat Earth Society" than anyone. But they just think of the most absurd ideas for the sake of argument. And of course they are never going to admit it. If they did , this website would collapse. Either that or Big Blue Marble is right on all counts and they really do have a problem.

It really bothers me that I can't decide which title is more fitting for the FE'ers: Assholes or dumbasses. If they're "flat" out lying they are complete assholes. But if they genuinely deny the world of evidence for a round Earth and honestly believe their rhetoric, well, you can fill in the rest...

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Mystery Of The Moon Is Finally Solved!

« on: June 16, 2014, 01:02:37 PM »

I have seen the flat Earth from space. I made a whole thread about it.. 

Why didn't you tell us you were an astronaut? That fact would have given you a little more credibility.

Wait, you DID see Earth from space PERSONALLY, right? I mean, with your own eyes? With your own body being in a position to see Earth from space? Cool, I wish you'd have said something sooner. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Noctilucent clouds

« on: June 15, 2014, 01:15:22 PM »

Why is it that I have never heard of these clouds before and why is it that they look exactly like normal clouds? 

There's apparently lots that you don't know around this wonderful round Earth of ours.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Noctilucent clouds

« on: June 15, 2014, 12:22:40 PM »

Great topic and beautiful pictures. More evidence for the round Earth. More fodder to watch the FE'ers buckle at the knees trying to invent convoluted explanations.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is Virgin Galactic a scam?

« on: June 15, 2014, 12:11:16 PM »

The satanists at NASA are running a money laundering scheme.  I don't know how to put it any other way.

Wow, so now they're satanists? Do you people ever get fresh air?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Theory: the moon, sun and stars are just reflections

« on: June 15, 2014, 12:08:44 PM »

After all this time you'd think that you people would understand that attempted ridicule is meat and drink to me. 

Then you must be stuffed! Burp.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: A glass dome in the sky? Really?

« on: June 15, 2014, 12:00:03 PM »

I'm only repeating the truth. You are severely brainwashed and do have heads full of garbage where this stuff is concerned. You may be intelligent but your naivety is off the chart.

No, you're only repeating utter bull crap.

Earth maybe round. It's just not a rotating globe.

Yeah, we know, like a pizza in the sky. Forever tossed upwards towards the great glass dome made of pixie dust. 
 

It doesn't make sense because you refuse to engage your brain into it and are also scared of upsetting your peers if you agree to anything other than what you were programmed to accept.

I'm pretty sure that no one here is "scared of upsetting their peers" by 'learning the truth'. I'm pretty sure that affliction only plagues you.

You aren't using your reasoning. You are simply regurgitating what has been programmed into your head by whatever means officially put out. Let your real senses guide you and you will see things differently. Don;t even start to do it until you strengthen up, as you are extremely weak minded at the moment. It doesn't always have to be this way. It's basically down to you.

Reasoning tells us that for the entire world of scientists to be in on some great conspiracy to brainwash the masses into thinking science is "hard" and that the Earth is a ball is absolutely absurd. Science is applied methodology. Science is neither "hard" nor "easy". It simply IS. Anyone with sufficient motivation can actively partake in science.

Because there has to be an ice dome. It is 100% certain. There is no other way. The problem you have is by not understanding why it is this way, because your head is full of ball turning sea and greenery that you allegedly saw in space pictures, going around a humongous ball of fire just burning away in your space.
You are scared of seeing science in it's easy form because that makes every person privvy to it all, which then destroys the hype that scientific people put upon each other, believing they are smarter than the average bear. It's nonsense.

And, again, your 100% certainty claim of stuff you have no evidence for (other than your own hyper-paranoia brain disorder) makes ME 100% certain that you're either outright lying or 100% out of touch with reality. I'm leaning towards the latter.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Theory: the moon, sun and stars are just reflections

« on: June 15, 2014, 11:43:56 AM »

My aim is for the real people to see through the lies and see an alternative

Ah, real people.  So out the 7 billion "real people" around on the planet, how many have you convinced so far?

Just a rough estimate will do.

It's not about convincing anyone.

Well, you are doing well then.

Why don't you try to post something that isn't whining, self-righteous bullshit?  Seriously, it is so tiresome.

How about that diagram of how sunsets work in your ice dome?  You've been promising for years, but so far just can't deliver....

I hope I'm super tiresome to you people. It's not you people that I'm putting my thoughts across to, it's those with logical thinking minds. I do just it through you people.

The dark ages called; they want their worldview back.

I love how you ramble on and on about crap you cannot possibly know, then you claim to know it 100% - even in a complete void of evidence - then ridicule those who know the Earth is flat (based on mountains of evidence).

You are a silly, silly man. By the way, I found your picture via Google Image search. But I'm sure you'll deny it as some global conspiracy bent on denying the size of your brain.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Mystery Of The Moon Is Finally Solved!

« on: June 15, 2014, 11:31:02 AM »

Typical deluded answers: "Where are the experiments you personally performed from space to verify that the entirety of science isn't lying to us." The retort gets old really quickly.

Where is the evidence YOU flat Earthers gathered during YOUR personal journeys to the "tell-tale" smoking guns that reveal all of this is bull crap? Oh wait, you have none    How unfortunate for your cause.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: A glass dome in the sky? Really?

« on: June 14, 2014, 11:13:06 PM »

We've come a long way in just a few hundred years. Does any rational person believe that we shoot into technology only in the past 100 years and yet there were all those absolute experts of planerty observations and what not from 500-ad and onwards just shooting out genius after genius.
I mean, does it seem possible that we just came out of the basic ages only 100 years ago?

We are being told a pack of lies, one way or the other.

Of course it's possible. Knowledge and technology aren't linear paths. Once one thing is known or one piece of technology is developed it branches out in many directions. Many of those branches diverge to form even more branches. Before you know it, that narrow bottleneck explodes into the forest of modern technology, with a massive body of knowledge budding in many directions.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: A glass dome in the sky? Really?

« on: June 14, 2014, 11:07:45 PM »

so you cant have space without a light to see it,,, a blind man can't experience space,,,

I really appreciated the information you gave me.

Stop feeding the troll. He's already full.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: A glass dome in the sky? Really?

« on: June 14, 2014, 11:06:46 PM »

Could it be, that it's all about light ,, no light, no space,, (no space no time,)
think about true darkness,,

Imo it is light that creates this 3D' realm,,
could it be that nobody knows' what's outer space,, or outside our space,,, the big bang was to create the (our) dome,,,,
Could it be that we are the' center of our' universe,,,

Well, we are our own universe. We are cocooned and see what we see from the light reflected over and around the dome which has to reflect back from the dome itself because it cannot enter through the dome into nothing, or like you mention...true darkness.

A medium is always needed to light otherwise it cannot exist as light at all.
That's why the speed of light is absolute nonsense. It's the speed of sound because it's sound that creates light due to friction. No friction, no sound. No sound and no light.
The speed of light from sound is dependent on the energy applied and how frequent.

Your claims are evolving from insane to bat-shit crazy. How do you know all this about light being sound and so on? It sounds to me like the uber troll is trolling again.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: A glass dome in the sky? Really?

« on: June 14, 2014, 11:04:35 PM »

Amongst the gluttony of other wacky ideas you have, you're wrong to claim that "You've demonstrated nothing factual. Nobody really has, because none of us really know the true Earth in its entirety." There IS someone who knows the true Earth in its entirety: YOU! You've said at least twice now (that I'm aware of; I'm 'certain' it's happened many more times) where you are "certain" of the 'truth' of your claims.

Are you people CERTAIN that your Earth is a rotating globe and space is what they tell you? I think your answer would be, "yes we are certain." You will say that without actually knowing, except the indoctrinators told you how it all is, so it is; of that you are certain.

If it's good for the Goose, it's good for the Gander.

I'm 100% certain of the dome. I'm 100% certain space does not exist how we are told. I'm 100% certain that all life on Earth and all the things we see and feel, including sun/moon, etc, are all inside the dome.
We are sealed in. We do not walk about on a silly spinning ball with hot suns and balls of rocks floating around us.
I expect ignorant people to believe this. People that are ignorant of the truth because of the feeding of lies and not having the common sense to bother to see it all for the nonsense it really is.

I would expect anyone who has studied it, to actually clearly see it for the nonsense that it is, yet very few are awake to it and most refuse to question what their masters have put into their brains.

You're 100% certain of those things, huh?  Right.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Photography (AKA Grasping at straws)

« on: June 14, 2014, 10:47:20 PM »

I used Way Back Machine to pull up a cached post from this site around 2007. The post has since been deleted. It took me literally three hours to find.

3 hours of your life, wasted. A blurry picture proves absolutely nothing. This is bigfoot 101: 1) Take a crappy, blurred picture. 2) Claim you've proven something profound. 3) put fingers in ears and go "lalalalalalalala" when people point out the obvious fail.

With proper focus, we'd see (IF this is indeed a picture of the Earth) that this is nothing more than crescent-quarter phase with the sun being along more of the right X-Z axis away from our vantage point. Sorry, I don't know the correct name Cartesian coordinates for the position.

Also, if the Earth were accelerating "upward", why is the elongated blur along the wrong axis? And how are they so far away from the Earth in the wrong direction? If they Earth whizzed by them, we'd see the "bottom" side of the Earth, not an elliptical view of the"top".

And really? They only got one picture? Oh wait, you claim "They sent these images back to Earth before we lost contact with them forever." Where are the other photos they sent back?

You also claim "... taken in the 1990s by amateur Flat Earth astronauts in one of the very first (perhaps only) visits to space that we have record of." Yet we have plenty of records of visits to space before that time.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Mystery Of The Moon Is Finally Solved!

« on: June 14, 2014, 10:21:23 PM »

Wow, I post a video showing the far side of the moon, claiming the moon to be a spheroid, claiming to even explain WHY the far side of the Earth looks different than the side we normally see and no FE'er even has a comment to refute it.

Could it be that the FES cannot compete with actually fact and science? Well slap my ass and call me speechless!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flying on an airplane I can see the curvature or Earth

« on: June 14, 2014, 10:18:11 PM »

Here is a picture of the rim continent from a very far distance.  It is not hard to imagine that just a short distance farther, it will just fade away. 

Ahh, too far away to make out well. How convenient. How convenient indeed. Like so many a bigfoot sighting. Psh, hogwash.

You seriously mean to tell us that with all the people in the world who own planes NO one has ever gotten close enough to get a picture that proves your case? Of course not. Your 'case' is utterly vapid. Devoid of substance.

Seriously, if the FE model were true there'd be pictures all over the internet SHOWING this "insurmountable" magical land of snowmen and lollipops.

And why is it that we cannot shine a laser beam the top of a New York skyscraper and detect it at the top of some skyscraper in Dubai of China? We already KNOW that a laser beam will in fact transmit that far (and farther) and remain in a remarkably straight path.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How does bird migration work on an FE model?

« on: June 14, 2014, 10:10:12 PM »

Wait, you mean you actually think that Einstein said that because he believed the Earth was flat?
You are far more ignorant that I thought LOL

Vauxhall still hasn't cottoned on to the fact that Einstein was using his flat earth quotation as an example of how misguided "common" sense can be.  I dunno how many times we've gotta point this out to poor old Vauxhall before the penny drops LOL.

Was Einstein your father? Grand father? Uncle? Did he tell you personally what the quote meant?

Are you Einstein? If not, then shut the f&*k up because you can't possibly know his thought process when he said that quote.

If Einstein were here with us today he would kick you in the balls. That's a guarantee.

Vauxhall: king of dumbass (non)rebuttals.

actually, the quote continues on to say: "Common sense is what tells us the Earth is flat and the Sun goes around it." Twist the meaning all you want; Einstein was neither saying nor implying that he thought the Earth was flat. Nor that he thought the Sun revolved around it. He was, in fact - as I pointed out earlier - the fallacious nature of "common sense" as a source for ultimate truth.

I've read enough of Einstein's material to KNOW that he was NOT a FE'er but, instead, a RE'er subscribing to the heliocentric model.

Lay down and play dead: You're wrong. What's the matter? Can't handle the fact that you've been using a mockery quote against your believe to try to support your argument?

Common sense tells me that you've failed. Oh look at that; apparently common sense IS correct: SOMETIMES. But Einstein knew better with regards to the Earth.

Actually, I'm amazed out haven't already been called out on that one. Or have you?

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Flat Earth General / The Mystery Of The Moon Is Finally Solved!

« on: June 13, 2014, 10:30:40 PM »

The Mystery Of The Moon Is Finally Solved!

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You flat Earthers should have a BALL with this one.

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