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Flat Earth Q&A / How does sunset happen?

« on: June 01, 2006, 12:04:04 PM »

Wrong, try again. Rays of light do not curve as you have illustrated. Light travels in a straight line. The refraction you are talking about is what makes our sky blue during the day.

I hate to bring this issue up, but what exactly do you mean by "straight line"?  Do you disagree with general relativity, which says that spacetime is curved, and shows as evidence examples of light bending around stars?

Light, in a vacuum, can still travel on curved paths.

-Erasmus

I meant relatively straight. For light coming from a sun 3,000 miles up, it would never appear to be at the horizon, even if there was a black hole curving the light.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How does sunset happen?

« on: June 01, 2006, 02:11:54 AM »

The illusion of a sunset is created by the refraction of light as it passes from less dense mediums (space, upper atmosphere) into mediums of greater density (atmosphere closer to the ground). The light from the edges of the sun spotlight approach the earth at a more shallow angle than that light which shines "straight down", and thus is refracted to a greater extent. In fact, the maximum refraction occurs such that, at the edges of "daylight" on the flat earth, the light from the sun is traveling nearly parallel to the ground. This creates the illusion of the sun - which is still the same height above the earth - being close to the horzion, and eventually sinking into it.


Excuse the painbrush rendition, but it illustrates my point. If the sun is moving from left to right in the picture, "sunset" would be occuring on the left side.

Wrong, try again. Rays of light do not curve as you have illustrated. Light travels in a straight line. The refraction you are talking about is what makes our sky blue during the day.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Would you believe the earth was spherical if....

« on: May 26, 2006, 08:28:34 PM »

Because the south 'pole''s magnetic effect is spread out around all the edges of the world.

Sheesh, spatial logic, yours = none.

Even though I just used this in another thread, it's fitting here.



See?

Ok, but a magnet does not have one pole in the center, and another pole forming a circle around the edge. It has two poles aligned on the same axis. The south pole of the earth cannot be all around the supposed ice wall simultaneously.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Round Earth and Thetons

« on: May 26, 2006, 08:26:06 PM »

Sorry, and your evidence that the Earth is round is.... that your teacher said so?  That some book said so?  The beliefs of scientologists are written down in books too.

That the FE model is impossible. In fact, any model other than a sphere is impossible because of sunset.

You remind me of all the great scientists who said that heavier-than-air flight is impossible.... except that you're not a great scientist.

-Erasmus

That is fantastic. You still cannot explain how sunset happens in the flat earth model. The sun cannot dissapear below the horizon at one point on earth, and still be directly overhead at another.

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Flat Earth Q&A / A Test to See if the Earth is Flat

« on: May 26, 2006, 08:23:40 PM »

That is because the atmospheric occlusion creates a constant terminal viewing distance, creating an apparent curvature at the visible horizon.

Such occulsion would create an edge view similar to what you get with fog, not a clean, sharp line.

Yes, but the sharpness is only a result of how far away the horizon is. Visibility might very well "fade out" in a similar fashion to what you experience in fog, but when that fade out is 20 miles away it sppears as a crisp line.

No, it would gradually fade out in a linear fashion. Atmospheric occulsion would imply that air molecules are large and dense enough to limit one's view. Molecules closer to you would be no different then molecules farther then you, ergo, a linear decrease in visibility results.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Round Earth and Thetons

« on: May 26, 2006, 08:16:41 PM »

Sorry, and your evidence that the Earth is round is.... that your teacher said so?  That some book said so?  The beliefs of scientologists are written down in books too.

That the FE model is impossible. In fact, any model other than a sphere is impossible because of sunset.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Round Earth and Thetons

« on: May 26, 2006, 06:15:39 PM »

Actually, both are equally absurd. Neither has any proof, both make completely asinine claims, and neither can stand up to any serious debate.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Would you believe the earth was spherical if....

« on: May 26, 2006, 11:33:04 AM »

How can a plane fly around the entire earth? Without turning?

You would fly from east to west by following your compass just as you would on a RE. Of course, you wouldn't be able to fly around from north to south but how often do airlines do this anyway?

You would have to turn in the flat earth model to fly from east to west or vice versa. Besides, how would a compass function in the FE model? There is only one pole, and all electro-magnetic fields consist of two poles on one axis.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How does sunset happen?

« on: May 26, 2006, 11:24:54 AM »

That is very correct, but with these flat earth believers they might say that there are to suns, or the sun stretches out or something.

Or they might say that sunset is a part of the big conspiracy. :roll:






I am STILL waiting for a FE'er to try to answer the question.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How does sunset happen?

« on: May 26, 2006, 02:16:55 AM »

There's no sunset you morons!! If the sun never dips below the horizon there can't be a sunset, no can there? Have you ever actually seen a sunset with your own eyes? I didn't think so, CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!!! It's just a myth, so shut up about the stupid nonexistent sunset.

Oh, I see, it is one of those handy 'optical illusions', right? Caused by 'atmospheric conditions'? :wink:

To be fair, your question is unreasonable, which is why nobody answered.

It's as if you asked your science teacher to explain mirages and said, "But don't use 'optical illusion' in your explanation.  I want to know why on a hot day, water gathers in pools far away from you, and then drains suddenly when you get near it!  It's not an illusion, I could see the water right there, and now it's gone!"

Nobody answered because there is no answer. It is impossible for the sun to be at the horizon in one part of the earth, and to be directly above another part of the earth. The flat earth model is impossible.

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Flat Earth Q&A / A Test to See if the Earth is Flat

« on: May 26, 2006, 02:14:55 AM »

That is because the atmospheric occlusion creates a constant terminal viewing distance, creating an apparent curvature at the visible horizon.

Such occulsion would create an edge view similar to what you get with fog, not a clean, sharp line.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How does sunset happen?

« on: May 24, 2006, 06:04:12 PM »

I still demand an answer. In the flat earth model, it is impossible to have sunrise and sunset. Therefore, the entire theory is invalidated.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How does sunset happen?

« on: May 23, 2006, 01:49:58 PM »

If the sun was to get far enough away from the Earth to create night, all heat on the earth would dissapate in a matter of hours.

What?  Do you mean to suggest that in the RE universe, the sun is heating the dark side of  the Earth at night, and keeping it warm enough to prevent all heat from dissipating?

Anyway, heat doesn't dissipate as quickly as you seem to think; that's why temperatures don't differ that much between night and day.  This is the case both in the RE world and in the FE.

-Erasmus

It heats the other side of the Earth, and the atmosphere traps the heat in. Now, answer my original point.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why cant i see the sun with a telescope ?

« on: May 23, 2006, 01:46:51 PM »

And at sunsets, wouldn't the sun fade out in size ?

Yep, probably. Are you saying it doesn't? But how can that be possible; surely you realize that, if the earth were a sphere, you would be closest to the sun at midday, and rotating further away at night. If you can't see the sun getting smaller (because it's moving further away), then surely the earth isn't a sphere.

The sun is 93,000,000 miles away. The distance from the sun increases by 4,000 miles from high noon to sunset. The difference in size is impossible to discern with our own eyes.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How does sunset happen?

« on: May 22, 2006, 06:59:14 PM »

Above me is what's known as a "fallback tactic". It is most commonly used when someone comes out with a logical answer to an insane point.

In this case, the fallback tactic was to tell me to "read the FAQ".

Thanks for the lesson in... whatever it is you mistakenly think you're educating the world about.

I directed you to the "FAQ" because you were asking a frequently asked question.  The FAQ is there (and says "Please read before posting") so that we don't have to spend the time that I'm now spending.

Thanks for being intentionally irritating.

-Erasmus

That would be fine and dandy, except it cannot answer how the sun is at the horizon at sunrise. If the sun is approximately 3,000 miles from the surface, and were in some sort of device to act as a spotlight, sunset would look similar to this:

(Spotlight in grey, to show that it exists)

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Flat Earth Q&A / How does sunset happen?

« on: May 15, 2006, 04:54:35 PM »

I do believe the earth is round, I've even seen this with my own eyes. But this sunset thing? No way. If they are real then why haven't I ever seen one?

Because you are blind.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How does sunset happen?

« on: May 15, 2006, 11:34:13 AM »

There's no sunset you morons!! If the sun never dips below the horizon there can't be a sunset, no can there? Have you ever actually seen a sunset with your own eyes? I didn't think so, CAUSE IT DOESN'T EXIST!!! It's just a myth, so shut up about the stupid nonexistent sunset.

Oh, I see, it is one of those handy 'optical illusions', right? Caused by 'atmospheric conditions'? :wink:





Face it, you FE'ers. You cannot answer this. In your model, it is completely impossible to have a sunset. And because sunsets do happen, this model cannot be possible.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How does sunset happen?

« on: May 14, 2006, 06:38:13 PM »

They have a "spotlight" theory that supposedly explains light and darkness.

But it doesnt explain sunsets... I'm sure the explanation will be "optical illusion" (wich I think is a cop out)

Lets see if somebody explains it in this thread because no FE'ers came to my thread when I asked this (and a few other questions)

Isn't it funny how they conveniently ignore the reasons they cannot argue? I say we keep bumping this until we get a response.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How does sunset happen?

« on: May 14, 2006, 05:59:19 PM »

In the FE model, how can sunset possibly be explained? For the sun to set, it would need to go completely out of view at one part of the Earth, and be directly above at another part of the Earth.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Final proof against flat earth model.

« on: January 08, 2006, 06:24:29 AM »

As a newly self-appointed flat-earther, I feel obligated to point out the inherent flaw in this idea.  See, you think the airline is unbiased, when there is, in fact, a conspiracy.

The reason it takes you the same amount of time is simple, the airplane flies more slowly to your hypothetical "35 n", and flies faster to "35 s".  Making it equal the same amount of time to fly the two distances.

I would think this would be clear, by you are obviously blinded by your zeal to defend a lie.

Ok, so any contradictory point to your idea is an attempt by some government or corporation from keeping you from knowing the truth? :roll:

Now lets see why this idea is absloutely asinine using simple math. The distance from the north pole to the south pole is about 12,500 miles. Since there are 180 lines of latitude, divide 12,500 by 180 to get the distance between two lines. This comes out to be about 70 miles. Now, the 35 n line of latitude is 55 degrees away from the north pole. That means that the distance from the north pole to the 35 n line is 3,820 miles. To figure out the distance that this trip is, we need the distance around the equator, which is about 25,000 miles. The equator is located 6,250 miles away from the north pole. To get the distance of the 35 n trip, set up a ratio:
25,000/6,250=X/3,820
3,820*(25,000/6,250)=X
X=15,280
As for the 35 s line, the steps are essentially the same. The only difference is that the calculations are based on a flat earth model.
Distance from the north pole to the 35 s line=8,750
25,000/6,250=X/8,750
X=35,000
For a plane to fly 35,000 mph in 48 hours (approximation based on the fact that initial assumptions were done with places halfway across the globe) means that it was going:
730 mph, which is substantially faster than the maximum speed of a standard Boeing 747-400. It is impossible for the plane to make the trip in 48 hours, because the Boeings are also not able to sustain maximum speed for very long without overheating. The trip is impossible with the flat earth model.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Final proof against flat earth model.

« on: January 07, 2006, 08:38:27 PM »

There is one piece of undeniable evidence against the flat earth model. Something that cannot be explained by "atmospheric conditions". Say you were taking a trip from Buenos Aries to Melbourne Australia, at the 35 south latitude. The trip is about twenty hours. Then you take a trip from Charlotte, NC to Tokyo Japan, at the 35 north latitude. Here is what that general path looks like, on the flat earth model:

The red trip is the first one, the blue is the second.
According to the flat earth model, the red trip should take significantly longer to fly, it is a longer distance. However, the blue trip is twenty hours, too. How can this be possible with the flat earth model? It cannot. The only possibility is the round earth model.


Argument over.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Round earth Gravity vs. Flat earth "Gravity"

« on: January 07, 2006, 05:41:35 PM »

If the only thing that affected its height was it's own power, under round earth phys the earth would spin off underneath leaving it behind in space. Which isn't the case.

Assuming that the earth has no gravity, yes. However, this is not the case. Gravity is still pulling on the helicopter, that is why it can only hover over the ground. Otherwise, it would simply continue rising. Therefore, the helicopter will stay with the earth, rather than simply flying away into space.



Ok, moving on, the flat earth explanation as to why gravity exists is because the earth is flying up at amazing speeds. But then, if you were to jump, why would you come back down? For the sake of argument, lets say that the earth is going up at 100 mph. When you jump, you would go faster than the earth (that's why you go ahead of it), so lets say 105 mph. What would slow you down? Why would you not simply continue going 105? I am assuming the argument will be that friction between you and the air slows you down. Ignoring the fact that the amount of friction required between you and the air to slow you down five mph in about a second is insanely high, at best, you would slow back down to 100 mph. You wouldn't be able to slow down further because the air friction would actually push you back up, since the air is moving at 100 mph. That means you were going 105 for awhile, causing you to come off the ground, then slowed back down to 100, keeping you from going any further up. You cannot slow back down, because of the same friction that slowed you down to begin with, so you would be levitating over the ground forever. This doesn't happen. When you jump, there is another force that pulls you back down, something that the flat earth model lacks. The round earth model has this, and it is gravity.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Simple logic

« on: January 07, 2006, 12:31:51 PM »

You are all uneducated bumbling morons. Have any of you ever even researched gravity or what it is? Gravity pulls mass TOGETHER, not down. The round earth theory works perfectly, because everything is pulled towards the center of the earth. People wouldn't slide off the side, and yes, the oceans would "stick to the sides". And don't you idiots think that if every government in the world were keeping a secret like SPACE, for half a century, wouldn't one person would have told? People are terrible at keeping secrets, take a look at watergate!