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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Circumference of flat earth/coastline of Antarctica

« on: May 10, 2012, 09:36:43 PM »

Why does it only take 11,000 miles to totally circumnavigate Antarctica and end up where you started, when it should take 78,000?

That's because it doesn't.

Then why is the coastline of Antarctica recorded to be 11,000 miles?

Who recorded it?

Fedor Konyukhov did it in 102 Days.   If it was 78,000 miles he would have had to average 767 miles per day!

As it stands, he would have averaged a more realistic 107 miles a day.

Tom, I know you are going to reject this evidence out of hand.  I'm interested to know the reason.

I don't think that account is fabricated. He might have gone around something. Not necessarily the Ice Rim.

How do you know mr Bishop have you been there? if not why dont you go! i will pay all the expenses! here is your chance to prove your theory.

PM Daniel and I'm sure he will be willing to tell you how to deposit those funds into our PayPal account.  How exciting!

I didn't say that I will give you money!  . I said that i will pay for the trip, do you want to come along?

Well, of course the money will be used for the trip, but how can we trust that you're sincere if you're not willing to deposit it into our PayPal account up front?

I would love to go!

I think he is talking about a different kind of trip than you are.

Let me enlight  you about your question! A simple exmple , If you ask a woman out  for dinner, do you give her the money for the dinner up front ? or you go to dinner together and you pay the bill? 

Now i will say the same thing for the third time I said... (clears throat) I WILL PAY for the trip, so Flat Earth Society can make all the necessary arrangements with bookings and I will pay the bill! The offer applies to all the members of the Flat Earth Society. I will even fund you your own documentary crew so you can make your own documentary!

And please don't ask why... its simple ... because I can 

I'm sorry, you have to understand, we get a lot of trolls here.  While I usually prefer to look for the good in people and assume the best intentions, because I'm an idealist, I'm just not sure we can trust you to pay up when the time comes.  Also, this is a bit different from trying to woo a woman (unless you are attracted to Tom Bishop!  ) so your analogy really doesn't apply.

But I do trust that you fully intend to live up to your word, and provide us with the $$$ necessary to mount this expedition.  If you're really interested, PM Daniel and ask him how to deposit money into our PayPal account!

Well, the dinner example is what i state in the the first place... an example, but you choose to elaborate, change the sentence and imply that i am a gay man which is not true so your point was to insult me! The second assumption was that i am a troll which again i am not because i didn't say anything to imply that! The proposition in our conversation here is quite simple, as i have explained earlier adding a purposely misinterpreted example to gain grounds to throw insults, i  am making an offer here to cover the cost of logistics and take whoever of your group is interested on an exploration expedition, adding  a documentary crew to record things the way you will dictate. Now i would expect that the appropriate assertiveness from your side to be something like "thank you for your offer mr X, how can we make arrangements so the we can meet and discuss the matter at hand" and not "PM mr David and deposit the £££ in our paypal account" which is abrupt for a multilevel procedure like this one. This is business my friend trust me and in the business world you have to glide not drop!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INS disproves FE.

« on: May 10, 2012, 04:22:47 PM »

That made me laugh. You think to get a commercial airline license that you go on-line and apply? What is all this .co.uk business? The caa is the civil aviation authority. They have a website as google has told you, but its not for doing exams on. When you do the exams you go to a designated exam hall. Where you sit, and an invigilator makes sure you are who you say you are checking your ID, that you don't cheat and that the exam conditions are adhered to. I should also point out I went to a professional training college. I didn't just turn up and do an exam.

As for whether I fly or not, I guess you'll need to lurk moar to find out.

Actually to be honest with you yes someone applies online initially to sit and take the exams at the 'caa.co.uk' exam centre but you already know that since you sat the exams and got your licence:) but you cannot witness it ::)but you ask witnessing from others! aka me!
.co.uk refers to the UK caa, the country you live in.
 Yet though if you have sat the exams it would be easier for you to post for example 'I should point out when i sat my exams for my commercial pilots licence i didn't just turn up and do(you should have said 'sat my exams') an exam.
Still you brought up a driving test and a professional training college on your reply's above, were it would have been more relevant to refer to a flight test and commercial pilots exams and easier and on the subject of flight but you didn't because its not the first thing you can think of because you are simply not trained in to it and is obvious.
 You know there is a jargon amongst pilots and student pilots and it is something you haven't used here because simply you are not aware of it and believe me you cannot google it, you have to be involved, which you clearly not, despite your claims!
as if i would try to engage in a conversation with baristers for example or biologists claiming I am one, i would make fool of my self to them cos i don't have knowledge of their specialities at the deep level they do and the jargon they use.
 Not only young people use the internet these days and not all of them who post here are outside the circles and professions they 'claim' but you are aware of that young man and you don't really believe in a flat earth, you are just in here for the fuss of it as most of you.
Well I will forgive your naiveness no offence, actually i believe you are a brilliant young man.

P.S. its not commercial airline pilots licence Its ATPL but you already know that
And its not INS its IRS (ISU) inertial reference system that is being used for more than 30 years and the only errors it has is those the pilot might accidentally type in.
Actually it was back in 1973 and the first platform to incorporate such system was the F-16 fighting falcon.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INS disproves FE.

« on: May 10, 2012, 01:53:13 PM »

You name it, we have had it.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=16154

But you forgot to mention it in the above statement...

I forgot sailors and Google employees too.

Just for your info the questions in the test i am referring to comes from real flights... 'someone wants' aka they, aka the ones who singed and issued your commercial licence! aka caa.co.uk. Since you live in the uk and to fly in the uk you need a caa.co.uk licence approval and witnessing and proof to be allowed to sit in a cocpit  and claim here in this forum that you have a licence and use INS. Which you don't because you can't witness it but you only claim it! Like me! In which i offered you the option for witnessing and don't accept it. But you didn't offered me one, where if you offered me the option of me witnessing you, i whould take it!
 By the way why don't you bring a flight test example and you bring a driving test example since we are talking about flying a plane here and not driving a car?
There are numerous examples in real flight test you could pull here IF you had the personal experience
Which you haven't witnessed yet and it remains a claim like mine!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INS disproves FE.

« on: May 10, 2012, 01:17:17 PM »

Turbofan, have you ever flown south of antarctica? In you estimation, howmuch farther do you have to fly to get to the terminus in our suns light?

Ask Thork...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INS disproves FE.

« on: May 10, 2012, 10:44:24 AM »

You name it, we have had it.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=16154

But you forgot to mention it in the above statement...

I forgot sailors and Google employees too.

I would never mention them! they are not trustworthy honorable Thork where all your statements are true beyond no doupt...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INS disproves FE.

« on: May 10, 2012, 10:30:17 AM »

You name it, we have had it.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=16154

But you forgot to mention it in the above statement...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INS disproves FE.

« on: May 10, 2012, 10:15:15 AM »

i would take anyone of this group or maybe the whole group on one of my flights! I could even hang them outside the plane so they can witness with their own eyes -they wouldn't complain about fake windows with monitors that display graphics - but they wouldn't survive long enough to come back and tell what they saw

witness what?

All you have to do is come and meet me if you want

to witness what?

Nothing i am just saying... but you claimed to be a commercial pilot in the first place so i challenge you in air combat

I suppose you think you are the first teenager to come to this site pretending to be an astronaut, pilot, Antarctic ice guard, NASA agent, military dictator, astronomer, scientist, deity, porn star or extraterrestrial.

You forgot to say politician  I suppose...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INS disproves FE.

« on: May 10, 2012, 10:01:10 AM »

i would take anyone of this group or maybe the whole group on one of my flights! I could even hang them outside the plane so they can witness with their own eyes -they wouldn't complain about fake windows with monitors that display graphics - but they wouldn't survive long enough to come back and tell what they saw

witness what?

All you have to do is come and meet me if you want

to witness what?

Nothing i am just saying... but you claimed to be a commercial pilot in the first place so i challenge you in air combat

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INS disproves FE.

« on: May 10, 2012, 09:53:49 AM »

i would take anyone of this group or maybe the whole group on one of my flights! I could even hang them outside the plane so they can witness with their own eyes -they wouldn't complain about fake windows with monitors that display graphics - but they wouldn't survive long enough to come back and tell what they saw

witness what?

All you have to do is come and meet me if you want

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Circumference of flat earth/coastline of Antarctica

« on: May 10, 2012, 09:51:52 AM »

Why does it only take 11,000 miles to totally circumnavigate Antarctica and end up where you started, when it should take 78,000?

That's because it doesn't.

Then why is the coastline of Antarctica recorded to be 11,000 miles?

Who recorded it?

Fedor Konyukhov did it in 102 Days.   If it was 78,000 miles he would have had to average 767 miles per day!

As it stands, he would have averaged a more realistic 107 miles a day.

Tom, I know you are going to reject this evidence out of hand.  I'm interested to know the reason.

I don't think that account is fabricated. He might have gone around something. Not necessarily the Ice Rim.

How do you know mr Bishop have you been there? if not why dont you go! i will pay all the expenses! here is your chance to prove your theory.

PM Daniel and I'm sure he will be willing to tell you how to deposit those funds into our PayPal account.  How exciting!

I didn't say that I will give you money!  . I said that i will pay for the trip, do you want to come along?

Well, of course the money will be used for the trip, but how can we trust that you're sincere if you're not willing to deposit it into our PayPal account up front?

I would love to go!

I think he is talking about a different kind of trip than you are.

Let me enlight  you about your question! A simple exmple , If you ask a woman out  for dinner, do you give her the money for the dinner up front ? or you go to dinner together and you pay the bill? 

Now i will say the same thing for the third time I said... (clears throat) I WILL PAY for the trip, so Flat Earth Society can make all the necessary arrangements with bookings and I will pay the bill! The offer applies to all the members of the Flat Earth Society. I will even fund you your own documentary crew so you can make your own documentary!

And please don't ask why... its simple ... because I can 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INS disproves FE.

« on: May 10, 2012, 09:30:02 AM »

First I want proof that it actually does take account for earth's curvature like they say it does. Then I want proof that if it does, that isn't what screws it up. Its a two-part challenge.

As its a flat earth instrument, we are a long way from using it to prove earth round as the op stated.

Sorry to interrupt but... havent you proved that when you answered the questions at your theoretical exams when you passed your commercial pilots training???

I am with you. Unless he did a test in very short haul commercial pilot training, he got every evidence he ever needed. I learned enough to be able to check what they call "RE assumptions" just talking with my uncle, who had a small private plane. Everything you need to check the "assumptions" is right there in front of you. Wind speed, land speed, instantaneous fuel consumption, specialized slide rulers to calculate the Great Circle navigation route, and INS among others. And in that time there were no navigational computers like now, so a weirdly intelligent navigational system that fools the pilot was out of the question. All this theory of dumb pilots and fiendishly intelligent navigational aids is idiotic now, and would have been worse than a bad science fiction movie back then in the seventies.

Listen mate I AM an airline pilot IN THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE!!! I fly 30 hours a week long haul flights and i would take anyone of this group or maybe the whole group on one of my flights! I could even hang them outside the plane so they can witness with their own eyes -they wouldn't complain about fake windows with monitors that display graphics - but they wouldn't survive long enough to come back and tell what they saw

 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Circumference of flat earth/coastline of Antarctica

« on: May 09, 2012, 11:53:06 PM »

Why does it only take 11,000 miles to totally circumnavigate Antarctica and end up where you started, when it should take 78,000?

That's because it doesn't.

Then why is the coastline of Antarctica recorded to be 11,000 miles?

Who recorded it?

Fedor Konyukhov did it in 102 Days.   If it was 78,000 miles he would have had to average 767 miles per day!

As it stands, he would have averaged a more realistic 107 miles a day.

Tom, I know you are going to reject this evidence out of hand.  I'm interested to know the reason.

I don't think that account is fabricated. He might have gone around something. Not necessarily the Ice Rim.

How do you know mr Bishop have you been there? if not why dont you go! i will pay all the expenses! here is your chance to prove your theory.

PM Daniel and I'm sure he will be willing to tell you how to deposit those funds into our PayPal account.  How exciting!

I didn't say that I will give you money!  . I said that i will pay for the trip, do you want to come along?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Circumference of flat earth/coastline of Antarctica

« on: May 09, 2012, 11:46:37 PM »

Why does it only take 11,000 miles to totally circumnavigate Antarctica and end up where you started, when it should take 78,000?

That's because it doesn't.

i didn't say i will give you money! I said i will pay for the trip  . Do you want to come along???
Then why is the coastline of Antarctica recorded to be 11,000 miles?

Who recorded it?

Fedor Konyukhov did it in 102 Days.   If it was 78,000 miles he would have had to average 767 miles per day!

As it stands, he would have averaged a more realistic 107 miles a day.

Tom, I know you are going to reject this evidence out of hand.  I'm interested to know the reason.

I don't think that account is fabricated. He might have gone around something. Not necessarily the Ice Rim.

How do you know mr Bishop have you been there? if not why dont you go! i will pay all the expenses! here is your chance to prove your theory.

PM Daniel and I'm sure he will be willing to tell you how to deposit those funds into our PayPal account.  How exciting!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Circumference of flat earth/coastline of Antarctica

« on: May 09, 2012, 10:05:47 PM »

Why does it only take 11,000 miles to totally circumnavigate Antarctica and end up where you started, when it should take 78,000?

That's because it doesn't.

Then why is the coastline of Antarctica recorded to be 11,000 miles?

Who recorded it?

Fedor Konyukhov did it in 102 Days.   If it was 78,000 miles he would have had to average 767 miles per day!

As it stands, he would have averaged a more realistic 107 miles a day.

Tom, I know you are going to reject this evidence out of hand.  I'm interested to know the reason.

I don't think that account is fabricated. He might have gone around something. Not necessarily the Ice Rim.

How do you know mr Bishop have you been there? if not why dont you go! i will pay all the expenses! here is your chance to prove your theory.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Satellite Media?

« on: May 09, 2012, 10:00:52 PM »

Ugh, one of these threads again. Stratellites, enough said.

You just answered my question

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Satellite Media?

« on: May 09, 2012, 07:33:17 PM »

Oh, then what is transmitting these signals?  Towers going miles up?

It can be some kind of secret military tech.

prove that!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Satellite Media?

« on: May 09, 2012, 06:07:41 PM »

If the earth was moving upward so fast, the stratallite would not have enough downward thrust to stay in the air.  Nor would airplanes, helicopters etc.

Everything is accelerating along with the Earth. Have you even bothered to read our FAQ?

your FAQ's are inaccurate airline pilots dont use GPS for navigation, i can update you if you want! you are welcome on one of my flights for free if you want 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: INS disproves FE.

« on: May 09, 2012, 05:42:21 PM »

First I want proof that it actually does take account for earth's curvature like they say it does. Then I want proof that if it does, that isn't what screws it up. Its a two-part challenge.

As its a flat earth instrument, we are a long way from using it to prove earth round as the op stated.

Sorry to interrupt but... havent you proved that when you answered the questions at your theoretical exams when you passed your commercial pilots training???