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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Mach 20 flight

« on: August 12, 2011, 03:02:54 PM »

And it's gone.

Just like last year, they lost contact.  That's another few hundred million down the toilet.

But think of all the jobs those few hundred million created.

So government spending creates jobs. Thanks.

Defense spending.  You think any of those jobs were union?  We should eliminate those.

I bet most of the manufacturing jobs were union as well as the jobs created to make the raw materials of said plane.
The research guys were probably contract.

Also: education spending creates jobs.

As long as its not unionized it might be something I could get behind.

Then how would you keep teachers from being fired for not teaching creationism when the principal doesn't believe in evolution?

And seriously, why are unions bad? They negotiate a contract both sides agree on and renegotiate every few years. They offer legal protection when some kid decides to lie about something you did or said. They require evaluations of teachers every few years to ensure they are teaching what they should be. And they ensure that a non-profit, no consequence for having crappy teachers district hires at a decent wage.

I'm not sure why you seem to think all teacher unions want $70,000 start salaries and 100% fully paid health care and force districts to pay millions just to hire a janitor.

I can only provide an European point of view here, we have loads of unions as well, but please accept it as my 2 cents:

I think unions are necessary, but I do not think they are a good thing. Most of the time they look for their butts, not people's interest.
Necessary because sometimes they really make their job..... but my opinion is that many times they do not.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: .999999999999...=1

« on: August 12, 2011, 02:54:37 PM »

OK, anyone can rectify and some1 said it is wise to do so.

After some mathematical research ( beyond 3rd grade ;-) I must change my opinion and recognize that after all 0.999999999999..... is as well a valid representation of 1

Please, accept my apologies for all previous messages since I understand that I should have made this research before posting.

have a good day.

You mean, you looked this up on google?

No, I mean that I consulted some mathematician friends, and that I revised some Math books, and therefore I changed my mind

:-)

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Skin Tatoo electronics

« on: August 12, 2011, 03:04:18 AM »

First step to become a Borg maybe??

:-P

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: .999999999999...=1

« on: August 12, 2011, 03:02:55 AM »

OK, anyone can rectify and some1 said it is wise to do so.

After some mathematical research ( beyond 3rd grade ;-) I must change my opinion and recognize that after all 0.999999999999..... is as well a valid representation of 1

Please, accept my apologies for all previous messages since I understand that I should have made this research before posting.

have a good day.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Mach 20 flight

« on: August 12, 2011, 01:06:04 AM »

Well, it was just a testing to learn about conditions at such speeds. I do not think that they had any idea of recovering the plane ( looks more like a bullet )

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How can the Earth be an infinite plane?

« on: August 12, 2011, 01:04:11 AM »

UHmm, going back to the very start of this thread, "How can the Earth be an infinite plane"

I do not think it can be an infinite plane at all, because as someone as already stated (just to choose one discussion line and not being lost in 10^3 different lines), this would result in the fact that it has infinite mass, and therefore an infinite amount of atoms and an infinite volume.

If earth would have infinite mass, then there should be almost no other thing in the universe but earth. So unless someone states that stars ( which you can see with your eyes at night ) are nothing but bright parts of the infinite earth, (earth becomes maybe a ring after some time as in Ringworld?), or reflections in the atmosphere of the existing ones in the earth plane or so.. you must conclude that above, there are exactly this, stars. And a moon, and other planets and such.... and all this from my point of view is a substantial amount of matter that does not ( most likely ) belongs to Earth.

The only possible approximation I can see to an "infinite" earth is a Dyson sphere, and again, it is not infinite, and I do not think we are inside one.

Anyway, when you start considering the "infinite" outside the pure mathematical thinking, you face a very slippery territory, where you can throw a lot of things into the "infinite" box of anything. Infinite, from a macroscopic point of view, is simply too much for any specific object.

This would lead as well to discuss if the Universe is an object (in which programming language?..ha ha ha :-P), and if it is infinite ( can it be? )

This is more a trick of mathematics than common sense. I suggest you look up the Infinite Hotel Paradox to see why you're presenting a logical fallacy.

UHmm common sense and maths sometimes are just not good friends :-)

Anyway, infinite is always ans slippery thing. I am aware of the Infinite Hotel; I will re-read the thread iin order to review it in this light :-)

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: .999999999999...=1

« on: August 12, 2011, 12:58:59 AM »

I thought it was infinity + 1 :-D

I will revise my 4th grade concepts :-D

Anyway, since I am going to have vacation tomorrow I will take calculus again ;-)

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How can the Earth be an infinite plane?

« on: August 11, 2011, 04:44:39 AM »

Earth.. this undiscovered thing

We, humans we are infinite, infinitely complex, and all perceptions of infinitude come from our own infinity

Earth can be infinite if our infinite perception lead us to perceive it so. Otherwise all former limitations apply and earth from my point of view cannot be an endless and infinite plane. Even if it is flat.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Stupid Brain Cells...

« on: August 11, 2011, 04:25:16 AM »

LOL, just a funny effect :-)

On the other hand, the fact that our brain can be "tricked", allows us to have 3D cinema and stereo-vision and other nice and useful things :-)

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Apes

« on: August 11, 2011, 04:22:36 AM »

Wizards are guilty.....

Now for serious; The problem comes when the Religious fanatics DO NOT accept at all the idea of evolution. Then, for these people, apes are just animals, and humans are something completely different, absolutely different. Nothing to do one thing with the other.

So what they need is to accept that evolution, EXISTS. And it happens EVERY day. DNA is changing every day, and lots of ppl from different etnias make children together, so there is NOT a pure species. In fact I think that the only moment when a "pure" species exists is the moment you get 1 specimen, and you declare it a species. Since it cannot modify substantially its own DNA, it will remain genetically identical. The moment he gets a child with a partner, it may happen, if both are pretty similar, that the child is close to their progenitors as well..... but it will be slightly different.

Evolution is allways working, allways there. You cannot stop it, because it happens every time a newborn comes to world.

If religious fanatics cannot swallow the idea of evolution, then it is pointless to talk them about taxonomy or science in general. Well, in many cases it will be pointless as well to talk with them at all, but this is another topic :-P

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Bootstrap Paradox

« on: August 11, 2011, 04:12:21 AM »

Unless someone can produce and interpretation of Time that can accept these kind of time manipulations, I do not think that time travel could be possible. But this is a belief.

About the time travel itself; I am going to quote Sheldon Cooper when he is defining the room mate agreement with Leonard. They agree that if any of them discover time travel, the first stop they will make would be this specific time point. Nothing happens, and therefore is concluded that they do not make a time traveling machine.

You could say that this is pre-arranged, and it causes no real havoc / paradox or anything. But I think that it is the only way to remain consistent.

Furthermore time travel may face some engineering problems, and I really do not think it can be possible short of using wormholes, black holes or the like.... which in most cases would prove to be...uncomfortable for the traveler.

HOWEVER; if you admit the infinite universe theory ( multiverse/multidimensional etc.. ) and you make an inter-dimension travel machine. THEN, maybe, you can choose what moment of the time line of this other universe you pop out from ours. Then, you are affecting this other universe, not "your own"

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: .999999999999...=1

« on: August 11, 2011, 03:32:12 AM »

First of all yes, please forgive my European notation ;-)

There are infinite real numbers between 0 and 1, this lead us to the fact that for any iota ( ANY ) that allows me to consider:
x+i = 1, even if x= 0,99999999999999999.. ( you put as many 9's here as you want ), "i" is still NOT 0

The fact that there are infinite 9s cancels out the fact that there are infinite numbers between 0 and 1.  Would you dispute the fact that 0,333... is equal to 1/3?  If you do, I wish you luck in the third grade; if not, I hope you realize that it is the same principle at work here.  Technically you can put as many 3s after the decimal point you want, it will still not be equal to 1/3 (which by definition can't be expressed by a terminating decimal anyway); but if it's understood that there are an infinite number of 3s after the decimal point, it is equal to 1/3.

0,333... x 3 = 0,999...; do you dispute the logic?

1/3 x 3 = 1; do you dispute the math?

Therefore, 0,999... = 1.

In other words, there is no iota.

About the topic; I am not discussing the logic nor the math. However..... (1/3) X 3 = 1  ... Absolutely OK, nothing to say..

0,3333 X 3 = 0,9999 .... how many 3?

Maybe this is just spinning out; what I say is that THERE is, a difference, a Iota, between these infinite "3", or "9", and the complete number. It is just out of convenience, and because it is much better, that we type 1/3 instead of the zillions of 3`s ... and this is precisely the point... 1/3 is a solid complete number; so it is 1.

I understand your point ( for real), but I only can accept that 0,999999 (period) IS 1 as APROXIMATION.

Again, for most common uses, even Pi can be considered as 3,1416 ... but it is NOT. Pi is Pi ..... and NO short description of Pi ( even with zillions of numbers) is Pi

1) (1/3) + (1/3) + (1/3) = 1

2 ) The 0,3333 version.......... I cannot support it from an strict mathematical point of view. Again, I can accept it as approximation.

I'd use a pregnancy simile.. but unsure if it's out of rules :-P

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How can the Earth be an infinite plane?

« on: August 11, 2011, 02:47:22 AM »

maybe I am confused, sorry You are proposing then 2 infinite 2-dimensions planes??

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How can the Earth be an infinite plane?

« on: August 11, 2011, 12:45:22 AM »

UHmm, going back to the very start of this thread, "How can the Earth be an infinite plane"

I do not think it can be an infinite plane at all, because as someone as already stated (just to choose one discussion line and not being lost in 10^3 different lines), this would result in the fact that it has infinite mass, and therefore an infinite amount of atoms and an infinite volume.

If earth would have infinite mass, then there should be almost no other thing in the universe but earth. So unless someone states that stars ( which you can see with your eyes at night ) are nothing but bright parts of the infinite earth, (earth becomes maybe a ring after some time as in Ringworld?), or reflections in the atmosphere of the existing ones in the earth plane or so.. you must conclude that above, there are exactly this, stars. And a moon, and other planets and such.... and all this from my point of view is a substantial amount of matter that does not ( most likely ) belongs to Earth.

The only possible approximation I can see to an "infinite" earth is a Dyson sphere, and again, it is not infinite, and I do not think we are inside one.

Anyway, when you start considering the "infinite" outside the pure mathematical thinking, you face a very slippery territory, where you can throw a lot of things into the "infinite" box of anything. Infinite, from a macroscopic point of view, is simply too much for any specific object.

This would lead as well to discuss if the Universe is an object (in which programming language?..ha ha ha :-P), and if it is infinite ( can it be? )

In his model, the Earth is only infinite in two dimensions. It has a fixed height.

Even if it has 1 fixed dimension, the other 2 are still infinite; therefore there is still an infinite mass, and therefore, volume.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How can the Earth be an infinite plane?

« on: August 10, 2011, 03:31:06 PM »

UHmm, going back to the very start of this thread, "How can the Earth be an infinite plane"

I do not think it can be an infinite plane at all, because as someone as already stated (just to choose one discussion line and not being lost in 10^3 different lines), this would result in the fact that it has infinite mass, and therefore an infinite amount of atoms and an infinite volume.

If earth would have infinite mass, then there should be almost no other thing in the universe but earth. So unless someone states that stars ( which you can see with your eyes at night ) are nothing but bright parts of the infinite earth, (earth becomes maybe a ring after some time as in Ringworld?), or reflections in the atmosphere of the existing ones in the earth plane or so.. you must conclude that above, there are exactly this, stars. And a moon, and other planets and such.... and all this from my point of view is a substantial amount of matter that does not ( most likely ) belongs to Earth.

The only possible approximation I can see to an "infinite" earth is a Dyson sphere, and again, it is not infinite, and I do not think we are inside one.

Anyway, when you start considering the "infinite" outside the pure mathematical thinking, you face a very slippery territory, where you can throw a lot of things into the "infinite" box of anything. Infinite, from a macroscopic point of view, is simply too much for any specific object.

This would lead as well to discuss if the Universe is an object (in which programming language?..ha ha ha :-P), and if it is infinite ( can it be? )

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: .999999999999...=1

« on: August 10, 2011, 02:56:43 PM »

0,9999999999999...... <> 1

0,9999999999999...... it is NOT 1

There are infinite real numbers between 0 and 1, this lead us to the fact that for any iota ( ANY ) that allows me to consider:

x+i = 1, even if x= 0,99999999999999999.. ( you put as many 9's here as you want ), "i" is still NOT 0

You can say that 0,9999999.... is 1 in the limit ( Lim x-> 1 ; y=x ) Please, forgive this poor mathematic notation, just get the idea.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Mach 20 flight

« on: August 10, 2011, 02:47:16 PM »

Wel, MAtch 20 may sound terrific about traveling, but you really need to consider some things about this. A rocket, missile or the like, is "immune" to accelerations, inertia and such, and its basic idea is to crash and explode, so you can remove a lot of unnecessary systems like landing ones, atmosphere keeping, etc....

I am not saying that it is impossible at all, in fact I think that it can be really possible and this development may lead us to a Match 10, match 15 and so aircrafts.... on time. Concorde was dismissed and it was not a Match 5 aircraft.

Match 20 will likely come..unless we can develop a working macroscopic quantum interleaving system that can help us to simply dismiss distances instead of flying them.