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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 11, 2011, 09:18:05 AM »

It seems to me that this site is simply an explanation of accepted scientific principles applied to the hypothetical concept of a flat earth.
(Like, "what if" the Earth was flat).
Ex: It's not gravity, It's an unknown force at 9.81 m/s/s that for some unknown reason causes a flat Earth.

All the explanations I've seen are attempts to prove that a flat Earth is possible and not that it actually is. The explanations I've seen  are quite vacuous and rely upon the assumption that Earth has always existed. They also rely on an unknown force that somehow causes Earth to be flat.

I admire the thought that has gone into this site and it's explanations, but there are no conclusions drawn. To me, this site is just a conspiracy theory created simply for the sake of having one.

I also admire your avatars, featuring many old men and past stately figures.

That's my two cents, and my conclusion. I was hoping to come to a conclusion on this site with the creation of this thread, and I have.

Thanks for your input and time,

hullo880

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 08:13:42 PM »

Through science. Are you saying that you simply believe the Earth is flat because, well, it just is?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 07:41:51 PM »

1) I have no idea what you need explaining.  I'm not about to give a sweeping lecture on the principles of gravitation and gravitational effects on a flat Earth.  Please be somewhat more specific.

2) Unknown.

You don't have to give a sweeping lecture.

As I said before, surely anyone well acquainted with Flat Earth theory should be able to explain what forces caused it to be flat.

I find it quite unbelievable that not one "flat earth" believer has been able to answer this.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 06:42:24 PM »

"I missed where this article supports the assertion that it's impossible for an object in space to exist perfectly flat.  At any rate, the Earth is demonstrably not perfectly flat so it seems like a non-issue (unless you'd like to reword your question to better reflect reality)"

"Planets are round because their gravitational field acts as though it originates from the center of the body and pulls everything toward it."

First sentence.

Also don't stray away from my two questions posted above.

That quote explains the theory behind why planets are round.  It does not in any way state that it's impossible for something to be formed flat in space.

Yes it does.

As I said, please don't stray away from my two questions.

1. Explain the FAQ answers concerning gravity.
2. Explain how a flat Earth could be formed because of those answers.

To make it easier:

A1: In the dark energy model, DE accelerates the Earth and all celestial bodies in the universe at 9.81m/s2. This is commonly known as Universal Acceleration, which produces the same effect as "gravity" in our local reference frame. See: Equivalence Principle.

A2: In both the McIntyre and the Bishop model, the Earth is being pushed up by the Universal Accelerator underneath it at 9.8m/s2. This mediates observable gravitational effects in our local reference frame.

A3: In the Davis model, the infinite plane produces a finite gravitational field with a downward pull. Click here for the mathematical formulation behind this model.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 06:37:35 PM »

Most of the "theories" I've read have been centered on the idea of accretion and/or capture -- not pieces "broken off planets".

Pieces broken of off planets are what's behind accretion/capture.
None of the moons are flat either, so I fail to see your point.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 05:54:18 PM »

"Planets are round because their gravitational field acts as though it originates from the center of the body and pulls everything toward it."

Phobos? Proteus? Deimos? Thebe? The list goes on. Perhaps we should come up with new explanations...

Those are all moons.

Broken off of, you guessed it, round objects such as planets.

Edit: If you think moons = planets you need to brush up on your science a bit.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 05:44:38 PM »

1. Can you explain how that proves anything? Like explain what those terms mean.
2. Even if you are able to explain why, It doesn't explain how a flat object is created/formed.
   ....unless you're a creationist.

That post proves an infinite flat plane is possible if Gauss's law holds in the physical universe.

Those are not the only two options;  terra has always existed.

Ah, yes. I was going for something more along the lines of my post above yours. The object's creation. According to flat earth theory, the Earth is, well, flat. It's impossible for something to be created and formed flat in space (i.e. a planet), due to gravity.

Someone suggested the FAQ. I had already read it, and asked someone to explain it's answers.

If someone could get back on track with the thread with the above revision that would be great.

1. Explain the FAQ answers concerning gravity.
2. Explain how a flat Earth could be formed because of those answers.

Surely anyone well acquainted with Flat Earth theory should be able to explain what forces caused it to be flat. 

Which faq answers specifically? 

Ok. Do you believe the Earth has always existed, like an uncaused cause? What is your belief.
You also missed my point, which was that those mathematical equations don't prove what I mentioned. They also don't prove what you mentioned.

Specific Answers:

A1: In the dark energy model, DE accelerates the Earth and all celestial bodies in the universe at 9.81m/s2. This is commonly known as Universal Acceleration, which produces the same effect as "gravity" in our local reference frame. See: Equivalence Principle.

A2: In both the McIntyre and the Bishop model, the Earth is being pushed up by the Universal Accelerator underneath it at 9.8m/s2. This mediates observable gravitational effects in our local reference frame.

A3: In the Davis model, the infinite plane produces a finite gravitational field with a downward pull. Click here for the mathematical formulation behind this model.

I also see no mention of those "models" being mentioned outside of this site.
Could someone provide some sort of proof or source of their existence?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 05:40:06 PM »

"I missed where this article supports the assertion that it's impossible for an object in space to exist perfectly flat.  At any rate, the Earth is demonstrably not perfectly flat so it seems like a non-issue (unless you'd like to reword your question to better reflect reality)"

"Planets are round because their gravitational field acts as though it originates from the center of the body and pulls everything toward it."

First sentence.

Also don't stray away from my two questions posted above.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 05:08:12 PM »

Ah, yes. I was going for something more along the lines of my post above yours. The object's creation. According to flat earth theory, the Earth is, well, flat. It's impossible for something to be created and formed flat in space (i.e. a planet), due to gravity.

Someone suggested the FAQ. I had already read it, and asked someone to explain it's answers.

If someone could get back on track with the thread with the above revision that would be great.

1. Explain the FAQ answers concerning gravity.
2. Explain how a flat Earth could be formed because of those answers.

Surely anyone well acquainted with Flat Earth theory should be able to explain what forces caused it to be flat. 

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 03:00:03 PM »

1. Can you explain how that proves anything? Like explain what those terms mean.
2. Even if you are able to explain why, It doesn't explain how a flat object is created/formed.
   ....unless you're a creationist.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 12:41:20 PM »

 

UA.

Please read our FAQ.

You still haven't answered about the lack of event horizon or redshift despite constantly mentioning special relativity whenever your speed assumptions are called into question. It's not in the FAQ.

Unless you are able to explain the FAQ as asked in this thread please leave. Thanks.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 11:54:18 AM »

I did. I'm asking for your explanations.

For instance, why do the various models such as the McIntyre or Davis mentioned result in a flat earth?

Can you yourself explain or prove the answers, as my own efforts have been admittedly futile?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 11:43:54 AM »

"If so, what causes us to stay fixed to the Earth's surface, whether it be round or flat?"

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Flat Earth Q&A / Do you, as a Flat Earth believer, believe in gravity?

« on: May 10, 2011, 11:22:29 AM »

It is impossible for an object in space to exist perfectly flat due to gravity.
This article can do the best justice to the idea:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-are-planets-round

I'm interested in your responses. Do you not believe in Gravity? If so, what causes us to stay fixed to the Earth's surface, whether it be round or flat?