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Imagine the Center of this being Antarctica and the Outer Edges Being the North or Alaska.
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If the device knows where I'm at and then tells me what satellites are supposed to be around me, how is it that when I disable all connections to the Internet (such as by placing my tablet in Airplane mode) and turn on the GPS receiver on my tablet, my tablet is able to pinpoint my location? I just tried this now, and it shows my location without any connection to the Internet.
A "connection" with the WWW (not the internet) is not necessary for satellite positioning. My digital camera includes the coordinates of the image's location all by its little self! It's called geotagging.
Fair enough. To clarify, though, my question is not why Earth accelerates upward, but rather that if it does constantly accelerate upward, why do we not feel the motion? Since you don't believe Earth accelerates upward, you don't have to answer (which you said in your previous post). I am interested in your response to my other question and the question about the satellites, though.All I can say is that satellites as we are told..do not exist and never have or will do.
The signals we receive can easily be land based transmitters in relay. Where those transmitters are, I cannot tell you because I have not been looking around for them.
I'd be interested in your answer to this question as well, Scepti. I believe I've also asked this question previously without being provided an answer: If the top layer of the atmosphere is under the lowest amount of pressure like you've said and gravity doesn't exist, why don't the atmospheric gases disperse away from Earth?The atmospheric gases cannot disperse away from earth because the lightest and last gas, freezes against the vacuum.
We are trapped or cocooned in our own cell.
I understand. Okay, my question probably does not actually apply to you since you've stated previously that you don't believe that gravity is real or that Earth is constantly accelerating upward, but as I noted in the edit in my previous post, my question is "If Earth is truly accelerating upward, why do we not feel this motion?" I posed this question to the general FE community.I can't ask for any fairer than that.
Additionally, I don't think it's possible for me to ask questions without them having some connection to what I've learned. I also don't think that this will make things confusing. However, I will give (and already have given) it some deep thought like you request.
I don't know the answer to why the earth would be accelerating up as I don't follow that thought.
Please go back and answer the satellite topic.The OBJECT itself sees to it that the pressure is never equal when it's in motion.
Why, when the pressure is the same above and below an object, does it fall?
Please go back and answer the satellite topic.
Why, when the pressure is the same above and below an object, does it fall?
You still haven't answered my question. The reason that I'm asking you questions is because I'm interested in understanding what your thoughts are on your side. I'm not asking you questions to insult you, and I haven't insulted you like you've been doing to me and some other people. I don't insult or make fun of people that I have debates with since it does not contribute to positive discussion.I wasn't meaning you at this point, I was on about the 3 I ignored.
Also, I'm not "[sticking] rigidly to what's been implanted into [my] mind." I've evaluated both stances (i.e., Earth is flat, and Earth is spherical) and all of the evidence and arguments that support both sides, and I've chosen the side that I believe has the most compelling evidence, which is that Earth is spherical. As a method of further evaluating my stance, I'm asking you questions on the opposing belief.
You can ask me as many questions as you want and if you do it clearly and take the time to absorb them, I will answer ANY question you want. All I ask if that you give it some deep thought and do not do it if you are trying to marry it up with what you've been taught because that will confuse the issue. Do it with as clear a mind as you can. that's all I ask of anyone.
I'm well aware it's not outlandish to you and others. It's because you stick rigidly to what's been implanted into your minds and never wavering from it.I have another question. One problem that I have with the flat earth theory is that according to the flat earth theory, the Earth is constantly accelerating upward at 32 feet per second squared (9.8 meters per second squared). If this were true, we would always feel this constant movement since the human body senses acceleration. One example of this is when you drive a car. While accelerating, you can feel that you're moving. However, once you start moving at a constant velocity (i.e., when you're no longer accelerating), it feels as though you're not moving.And yet you don't seem to have any problem not noticing a so called 1038 mph so called equator spinning globe?
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The saying is, those who have something to hide, will use any story no matter how outlandish, to keep that something hidden.
Correct, I don't have a problem not noticing the rotation. Since the Earth is rotating at a constant velocity, we do not feel as though we're moving. Refer to the end of example that I included in my previous post:While accelerating, you can feel that you're moving. However, once you start moving at a constant velocity (i.e., when you're no longer accelerating), it feels as though you're not moving.
It's not an outlandish concept to understand, especially since it's the same idea as the car example.
Your own body balance and your own eyes should tell you their own story, but the problem is, you believed those in the suits and overcoats and like addicts, it's a hard habit to break, but you can be weaned off of it if you want to. It's down to you.
Most addicts will happily carry on being addicts if there's someone to keep feeding them their drug.
The ones that are willing to walk away to cold turkey are the ones that will eventually see the bigger picture.
I have another question. One problem that I have with the flat earth theory is that according to the flat earth theory, the Earth is constantly accelerating upward at 32 feet per second squared (9.8 meters per second squared). If this were true, we would always feel this constant movement since the human body senses acceleration. One example of this is when you drive a car. While accelerating, you can feel that you're moving. However, once you start moving at a constant velocity (i.e., when you're no longer accelerating), it feels as though you're not moving.And yet you don't seem to have any problem not noticing a so called 1038 mph so called equator spinning globe?
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The saying is, those who have something to hide, will use any story no matter how outlandish, to keep that something hidden.
While accelerating, you can feel that you're moving. However, once you start moving at a constant velocity (i.e., when you're no longer accelerating), it feels as though you're not moving.
The flat earth purportedly accelerates at a 9.8 m/s^2 rate. If I stood there and look up I should feel a stronger and stronger wind coming downwards, as earth is rushing into the atmosphere. But it doesn't
This is all the proof you need to know the Earth cannot possibly be forever accelerating upwards.
I know this point has probably been brought up many times, but thought I would share it.
With a round Earth, now it makes sense. The Earth spins, that is it, simple. No UA, no proof of UA... while it is possible to prove the UA isn't there, you feel the wind and the Earth stays where it is.
The air is pushed upwards at the same rate as the Earth. This is why we do not feel air rushing downwards.
How does it work then, same on tablets with no phone.The device knows where you are, and then tells you what satellites are supposed to be around you and where in the sky they are supposed to be.
Did you seriously think that an app can make your device magically detect all of the frequencies that satellites use?
And what conditions are these measured in?
The state of all matter.You write about the importance of density, what's the definition?How do you measure the density of an object and how does density change by moving it?How do you measure your fictional gravity?
How do you measure gravity?
Take it how you want to. It's no problem to me. Go with what's been bred into you. All it tells me is, none of you even want to question what's been told to you and some of you probably do know what's what but are into full on denial mode.
That's fine, I have no issue with that and I know that anything I say will just whizz straight past you.
As long as some people looking in are grasping it, then, like I said earlier, that'll do for me.
Yes, I've been on one of those before. I can see where you're coming from somewhat with certain parts of what you've said, but the reason you're pushed against the outside of the ring is due to centrifugal force, not air pressure.Yes, but that's the name we are brought up with but people assume it's gravity that's the cause of it and inertia without knowing how it works.
It's like, 2 oh this works because it wants to throw you off but the wall stops you being thrown off, yet they don't tell you what the force is that makes that happen and it's the same as the bus scenario inside , only this is doing it in a rotating motion.
I'll try and do both analogies side by side.
In the bus as rest, you are sat on your seat and everything is equal pressure.
In the rota, the very same thing happens as it's stationary. We can agree on this.
The bus accelerates and you feel yourself pushed back.
The rota starts off and you feel your body being pushed back to the wall.
In both cases, your body is not ready, so your natural balance is affected.
If the bus accelerates constantly, building up a great speed, you will feel more pinned back into your seat, because the bus is running into the air in front and compressing making it higher pressure it and that higher pressure has to be deflected behind to the lower pressure void that is always left because of the push of the front of the bus.
The same thing is happening inside the bus, except that the front of the bus goes faster than the air inside whilst the back sort of crashes into the air from the back... and it leaves a low pressure inside the front that is immediately filled by the high pressure created by the outside force of the front of the bus. It all works in unison but on acceleration, it will always build pressure...ALWAYS, until that acceleration becomes a constant speed, in which case,the pressure will equalize but will be much higher than it was at the start of the journey.
In the rota, it starts to rotate and as it does so, the rim of it creates friction inside and out along with the people in it...and that force of the inner and outer rim, plus people against the air, compresses it out of the way and makes it go over the bodies of the people which creates a high pressure which the now lower pressure inside the rota away from them tries to fill so pushes against the higher pressure, pinning the people more and more to the wall.
The faster it goes, the more the lower pressure in the rota tries to keep equalizing but it can't fully so it because every time it does, the rota is speeding up a little at a time till eventually the floor can drop and the people can stick to the wall.
It doesn't matter what's used on earth, it all boils down to the exact same scenario, it's just done in different ways, as I've explained.
The result is, gravity and inertia are misinformation and misdirection and atmospheric pressure is the very reason for anything that happens.....no other forces needed.
Have you ever been on one of these?
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If you have, you will notice that the pressure on you feels mild, but it's enough to make you stick to the wall when the floor drops.
This is very similar to when you travel in a vehicle that gradually gains speed. It's a gained pressure that simply pushes against your full body.
On a bus, you do not feel it on your body to the point of really noticing but take the head rest away and you will feel it on your neck muscles.
If there's a sharp acceleration, then there will be a sharp jerk of air onto you in COMPRESSED state, not as wind, like you would feel if the wind blew on you, because that wind can pass around you and over you which you feel as it's pouring friction all around your body by deflecting the pressure directly at you, around your body. The opposite effect is if you were riding a motorbike into that air friction.
Once that outside air hits you, it can do only two things. It can knock you off your bike , except that you have hold of the handle bars....or hit you and pass around you, so you feel that force by your body and the friction of it as it's deflecting around you, stretching your face, clothes and whatever.
In A bus, it's like you are put into a compressed air cylinder before being filled, knowing that it's at equal pressure.
It's then as though someone is adding pressure but as a build up that cannot pass around you because the back of the cylinder is closed, so it simply compresses the air and you towards the back of the cylinder.
At low speed, you barely notice it in motion of slow acceleration, except for the IMMEDIATE start off, which your body is not ready for, which you feel as a kick back...and as the acceleration builds up, your body is geared for it and you are reacting to it naturally, because that's how your body is geared to react to anything...it just isn't geared to react to SUDDEN movement.
It's like walking up a hill. You know what's coming as you walk, so your body changes angle to balance the forces.
Our bodies are equipped for the pressure we live under, or are born under and growing under, so we are equalized to that pressure and think it's nothing, It's anything BUT nothing. it's extremely strong which can be seen if you unbalance that force by creating a higher or lower pressure by whichever means you want to.
You can make a 10 foot flask of which you know that some of the air is evacuated from it. If you were to whack a hole into that flask, you would be pushed into it, because the atmosphere would immediately want to equalize the low pressure inside that flask and to get in, it would have to get past you, forcing you into it as well.
It's an extreme example but it would be a real scenario.
Then you have a compressed air cylinder that is under higher pressure than the air outside...so the air inside if the cylinder was whacked with a hole, would be explosive decompression of that and I think you've seen what that can do.
Can you see what I'm getting at?
Because the air is compressed against you. It's in a container (the bus).If anyone claims it is all about air pressure then they should do some real tests to prove it.
Agreed. Also, I've read through all 78 pages of this thread, but I'm not sure if the following question has been answered yet.
Let's go back to the bus example. Scepti, if the reason that people are pushed into their seats upon acceleration of the bus is due to the air from the front moving to the back because of air pressure, why do we not feel a rush of air hit us upon acceleration? If the air was truly rushing toward the back of the bus fast enough to push us into the seats, then we'd feel a rush of air hit us.
It is not blown against you as is passing you by as if you were on top of the bus.
If anyone claims it is all about air pressure then they should do some real tests to prove it.
Using bricks is actually a perfectly good analogy. All solids (rocks and bricks included) deform slightly when a force is applied to them, and return to their original shape in a process known in engineering as elastic deformation. Without an external force, the force on the molecules of a solid are in balance. Once a force is applied, no matter how small, that balance is broken, and the molecule compresses into the next molecule, breaking that molecule's balance of forces, and this happens as a chain all the way through the solid like a wave. It is the exact same thing that Sceptimatic is describing with the air in the bus.
How can people honestly believe the earth is round??? How do they describe how people on the "bottom" of the earth don't just fall off? I mean you can't stand on a sphere from every side.
You asked me why pressure happen, so me being me and thinking you would grasp the analogy, I thought I'd use bricks but of course, I shouldn't have done that because I'm dealing with another scientist who can't be simplistic.I didn't mention anything about sea level atmospheric pressure or compressed air containers. You claimed that the air molecules are held together by compression. The concept of compression in this sense inherently implies that something is pushing down on the molecules from the top with something (whether this is simply a heavier object on the top or air moving from a point of high pressure to a point of low pressure in order to equalize the air pressure). I asked you to explain how compression could occur if the top molecules are under lower pressure than the bottom molecules are.Which bricks on a house are under most pressure and which are under the least pressure?
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Air is a gas, bricks are a solid. Gases and solids have different properties. For example, solids don't attempt to fill a given space evenly because the atoms in a solid do not move nearly as much as the atoms in gases do. In other words, if you put a brick in an small enclosed container and then put that same brick in a larger enclosed container, the brick will not change. If you put the same volume of the same type of gas in those two different-sized containers, they will fill up each container evenly because the molecules in a gas are moving much more quickly. This means that the atoms of gas in the larger container would be more spread apart than those in the smaller container.
My point is that in order for you to make your argument, you need to compare a gas to a gas, not a gas to a solid, otherwise we're comparing "apples to oranges," as the cliche goes.
I didn't mention anything about sea level atmospheric pressure or compressed air containers. You claimed that the air molecules are held together by compression. The concept of compression in this sense inherently implies that something is pushing down on the molecules from the top with something (whether this is simply a heavier object on the top or air moving from a point of high pressure to a point of low pressure in order to equalize the air pressure). I asked you to explain how compression could occur if the top molecules are under lower pressure than the bottom molecules are.Which bricks on a house are under most pressure and which are under the least pressure?
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Ahhh right. So this is where you can't get your head around it all.They are held together by compression. We interpret that compression and the agitation of it as many things from electricity, magnetism and whatever you would like to name.
If you were in a person pyramid of say 10 people on the floor and stacked up like snooker balls before break off, only a vertical pyramid...which person will be under the most pressure and who is under the least pressure?
Totally false analogy. Air molecules are not "stacked up" like a vertical frame of snooker balls. Atoms in the air are held together by electrostatic bonds in a 3-dimensional grid, and not gravity.
Stop bringing gravity into it, it's not needed anymore. It should blatantly obvious how the earth works, which rules out your space and rotating nonsensical globe as well as many other things.
You have been duped in mammoth proportions but I understand you sticking rigidly to your model because for you to change your mind, would render all your science life being mostly fantasy stories which could wreck your mind, so carry on believing. I'm just happy that I can see it all for what it really is.
If the air molecules were held together by compression, this would require a higher pressure at the top than at the bottom. You've stated that the top molecules are under the least amount of pressure. If the top molecules are under the least amount of pressure, how are the air molecules held together by compression?
What you need to do, is stop thinking about SEA LEVEL atmospheric pressure or compressed air containers, because by doing this you will NEVER, EVER grasp what the reality is.
I'm not saying it's easy to grasp but it's not hard if you are prepared to open your mind and stop hanging onto a spinning, ridiculous globe model and gravity and inertia and all the other stuff they implanted into your head and I say that in the nicest possible way, because we were all under that spell as some point.
Look at low pressures and high pressures and think about evacuated chambers and temperatures and what causes them at sea level...then try and under stand that we are the ants that live on the bottom of the big filled dome that has all that stacked pressure for however high it goes, onto us.
Your argument is below:Technically not because a large portion of the convertible IS enclosed.
There is one major difference between the two and that is the SE model is not ENCLOSED but a vehicle is.
My response:
The same thing would happen if you were in a convertible, which is a vehicle that is not enclosed. Once the convertible stops accelerating and it is moving at a constant velocity, your body will move at the same velocity as the convertible. This is regardless of whether or not the car is enclosed.
They are held together by compression. We interpret that compression and the agitation of it as many things from electricity, magnetism and whatever you would like to name.
If you were in a person pyramid of say 10 people on the floor and stacked up like snooker balls before break off, only a vertical pyramid...which person will be under the most pressure and who is under the least pressure?
Totally false analogy. Air molecules are not "stacked up" like a vertical frame of snooker balls. Atoms in the air are held together by electrostatic bonds in a 3-dimensional grid, and not gravity.
Stop bringing gravity into it, it's not needed anymore. It should blatantly obvious how the earth works, which rules out your space and rotating nonsensical globe as well as many other things.
You have been duped in mammoth proportions but I understand you sticking rigidly to your model because for you to change your mind, would render all your science life being mostly fantasy stories which could wreck your mind, so carry on believing. I'm just happy that I can see it all for what it really is.
I'm sorry, I thought by "SE model" you meant "RE model," as in round earth model. I should have asked you to clarify. What do you mean by SE model?You're correct. Spherical Earth is more accurate.
There is no pull, it's simply a stack. The very top molecules are under the least pressure and are under no pressure but their own, so they become dormant. They freeze because they are not affected by temperature of friction.
Think of a compost heap, where is it hottest and ask yourself why. and where is the coldest parts of it?
The atmosphere moves with the Earth as it rotates for the same reason that you eventually move at the same speed as a car when it stops accelerating. Once a car stops accelerating and it is moving at a constant velocity, your body also moves at the same velocity until some other force (e.g., applying the brakes) slows the car down. Since the Earth is rotating at a constant velocity, the atmosphere continues rotating at that same velocity. The atmosphere stays with the Earth and doesn't dissipate because of gravity.There is one major difference between the two and that is the SE model is not ENCLOSED but a vehicle is.
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