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Flat Earth Debate / Re: This is supposed to be the area of the globe
« on: November 18, 2018, 07:47:08 PM »
I made no such claim.

I am saying that the official distance 2,550 miles has to be wrong: by what margin, by how much, is something that has yet to be determined.

Well, it's too small, by about a hundred miles or so, but it's close enough. I've driven the width of the country.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Denpressure fails again.
« on: April 11, 2014, 10:15:33 AM »

A similar question arises, which I will ask via another hypothetical scenario.  I have a ball bearing on a spring, ready to launch directly up. It's got a remote controlled release mechanism. On launching it, it pops into the air, let's say about half the height of an evacuatable cylinder.  I remove half the air from that chamber, then launch the ball bearing again. Under Denpressure, does the ball launch higher into the cylinder, or lower? Roughly how much of a change in height would be expected?
Similarly, how is the Ball's descent affected? Does it fall faster or slower?
The ball will go much higher then fall faster than it would under atmospheric conditions.

Could you be more specific? How much higher and how much faster do you predict? Also, I added a second question to my previous post.
I don't know how much higher or faster. That's down to the evacuation of pressure. Try it out and let me know.

You don't know? But this is your hypothesis. And I did tell you, it's at half an atmosphere.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Denpressure fails again.
« on: April 11, 2014, 08:19:17 AM »

A similar question arises, which I will ask via another hypothetical scenario.  I have a ball bearing on a spring, ready to launch directly up. It's got a remote controlled release mechanism. On launching it, it pops into the air, let's say about half the height of an evacuatable cylinder.  I remove half the air from that chamber, then launch the ball bearing again. Under Denpressure, does the ball launch higher into the cylinder, or lower? Roughly how much of a change in height would be expected?
Similarly, how is the Ball's descent affected? Does it fall faster or slower?
The ball will go much higher then fall faster than it would under atmospheric conditions.

Could you be more specific? How much higher and how much faster do you predict? Also, I added a second question to my previous post.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Denpressure fails again.
« on: April 11, 2014, 08:11:57 AM »
if all elements attempt to find their place, if I dig a hole, and I find a tuber while digging, and I put it at the bottom of the hole after digging, deeper than where I found it, why does the tuber not rise to the level I found it at? Why does the natural state of all things seem to be at the bottom, regardless of its weight/ density/ whatever?
The natural state of all things isn't at the bottom, that's the thing. The Earth consists of trapped matter in all things and pressure releases them in stages, from super pressure right under the Earth to lesser pressure above. Your tuber has been placed in an environment that it's not strong enough to recover from.

But all I did was place it in a hole lower than its natural level. Are you saying that the Tuber can push away rocks and stones to find its level but cannot but away the far less heavy air?

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If I buried you up to your waist in sand, you could pull yourself out with a bit of energy and time. I  buried you up to your neck you are going to have a serious problem, because your body is not designed for that environment.
However, if I was to lay a lump of lead on the sand and leave it, it would eventually sink and sink. Everything has it's place as long as you are alive, your place is on top of the ground. When you die, your body is taken apart and put into its respective elemental make up of the Earth.

The body isn't designed to be buried either waste or neck deep in sand, but there's no serious problems to simply being buried to one's neck in the short term.
Also, a lead lump, placed on a pile of sand in an isolated chamber, unmoved, would rest on the top of the sand, as there is no sorting action to sift the sand around and above it. It doesn't magically sink through the grains.

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Anything ejected up to the surface will always be under pressure. The more dense ejection, the more pressure is applied, giving a small dense object a lot of measured weight for it size because it displaces more atmosphere than  other less dense object of bigger sizes because those objects actually absorb quite a lot of atmsophere in terms of a lot is equalised into them, which is why a sping can be big but light to us and weigh next to nothing.

How do objects "absorb" atmosphere?

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I also have a small experiment for you to weigh in on (pun unavoidable). I have two spring scales. One hangs vertically, the other horizontally. Attached to both are identical cables whose weight is known. The cable hangs over a simple pulley with no notable resistance, so that the end of the cable hangs down.  In both cases, two object of identical shape and weight are hung from each scale, and show the same weight.
Both weights and scales are inside an evacuation chamber, which is then evacuated. How does this evacuation affect both spring scales, one hanging vertically, one horizontally?
There bound to show the same weight. Why wouldn't they? They are identical. As long as the same resistance is acting on each pulley there will be no change against the other.

So, even though air presser acts lateral to the resistance of the horizontal spring, and pushes against the resistance of the vertical spring (Pushing it and the object down, in denpressure hypothesis), you say there would be no change?
Good to know.

Along the same lines, would these two weight react the same if the air pressure was doubled, and how much of a weight difference do you expect this, let us say ten pound weight, would show?

A similar question arises, which I will ask via another hypothetical scenario.  I have a ball bearing on a spring, ready to launch directly up. It's got a remote controlled release mechanism. On launching it, it pops into the air, let's say about half the height of an evacuatable cylinder.  I remove half the air from that chamber, then launch the ball bearing again. Under Denpressure, does the ball launch higher into the cylinder, or lower? Roughly how much of a change in height would be expected?
Similarly, how is the Ball's descent affected? Does it fall faster or slower?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Denpressure fails again.
« on: April 11, 2014, 07:34:33 AM »
Take part or don't. I don't care which decision you make. Either put the questions to me in a civil manner or stop going on about them and just sit back and watch. Your choice.

I know you care quite a bit, Scepti, but just because I'm feeling generous, here are the questions, in a civil manner.

if all elements attempt to find their place, if I dig a hole, and I find a tuber while digging, and I put it at the bottom of the hole after digging, deeper than where I found it, why does the tuber not rise to the level I found it at? Why does the natural state of all things seem to be at the bottom, regardless of its weight/ density/ whatever?

I also have a small experiment for you to weigh in on (pun unavoidable). I have two spring scales. One hangs vertically, the other horizontally. Attached to both are identical cables whose weight is known. The cable hangs over a simple pulley with no notable resistance, so that the end of the cable hangs down.  In both cases, two object of identical shape and weight are hung from each scale, and show the same weight.

Both weights and scales are inside an evacuation chamber, which is then evacuated. How does this evacuation affect both spring scales, one hanging vertically, one horizontally?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Denpressure fails again.
« on: April 11, 2014, 07:09:10 AM »
I did the first time. You immediately responded by attempting to beg out of answering them due to a perceived attitude problem on my part. My questions are straightforward, don't involve the numbers you are afraid of, and are relevant to your Denpressure hypothesis.
I asked you to put your questions to me in a civil manner. How you answer is different...but I expect you to put them to me without trying to be clever to impress all your weak internet friends.

If you want to put the questions to me without all the childish silliness, then I'll be happy to answer them. If not, then there's nothing else to say on the matter.

There was no childish silliness. Just you reading motive into a simple question to avoid answering some direct, simple questions. Because you have no answer. Because your hypothesis is meaningless.

I mean, come on, at least make your trolling entertaining for the rest of us.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Principle
« on: April 11, 2014, 07:03:15 AM »
You need to look at all the facts and evidence that shows the earth is round, and get out more to see the world around you.
Anywhere I can travel to on my feet, my visual surroundings indicate a flat Earth.

So, Kansas? Because where I, and for that matter, most people live, the Earth is anything but flat, even on a local scale.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Principle
« on: April 10, 2014, 01:27:45 PM »
The Earth is in suspended animation

You keep using that phrase. You do not seem to understand what it means.

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ina true vacuum.

Another phrase that you do not seem to understand, even using the version of the phrase you defined.


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Flat Earth General / Re: Denpressure fails again.
« on: April 10, 2014, 01:11:44 PM »
Playing along with the troll, for a moment, Scepti, if all elements attempt to find their place, if I dig a hole, and I find a tuber while digging, and I put it at the bottom of the hole after digging, deeper than where I found it, why does the tuber not rise to the level I found it at? Why does the natural state of all things seem to be at the bottom, regardless of its weight/ density/ whatever?

I also have a small experiment for you to weigh in on (pun unavoidable). I have two spring scales. One hangs vertically, the other horizontally. Attached to both are identical cables whose weight is known. The cable hangs over a simple pulley with no notable resistance, so that the end of the cable hangs down.  In both cases, two object of identical shape and weight are hung from each scale, and show the same weight.

Both weights and scales are inside an evacuation chamber, which is then evacuated. How does this evacuation affect both spring scales, one hanging vertically, one horizontally?
When you come back without trying to be a skitty git, I'll address your points. Clean up your act or ship out.

Oh please, Scepti, you can't go around calling everyone ignorant, naive, and stupid and then get all in a huff when someone is flippant in return. It really does nothing but make you look the spoiled child.

Very appropriate. Now, answer the question or admit you have no answer. I mean, we all know you have no answer, but it's nice to be formal about these things.
I will when you ask me the questions in a calm, cool, civil manner.

I did the first time. You immediately responded by attempting to beg out of answering them due to a perceived attitude problem on my part. My questions are straightforward, don't involve the numbers you are afraid of, and are relevant to your Denpressure hypothesis.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Denpressure fails again.
« on: April 10, 2014, 09:59:10 AM »
Playing along with the troll, for a moment, Scepti, if all elements attempt to find their place, if I dig a hole, and I find a tuber while digging, and I put it at the bottom of the hole after digging, deeper than where I found it, why does the tuber not rise to the level I found it at? Why does the natural state of all things seem to be at the bottom, regardless of its weight/ density/ whatever?

I also have a small experiment for you to weigh in on (pun unavoidable). I have two spring scales. One hangs vertically, the other horizontally. Attached to both are identical cables whose weight is known. The cable hangs over a simple pulley with no notable resistance, so that the end of the cable hangs down.  In both cases, two object of identical shape and weight are hung from each scale, and show the same weight.

Both weights and scales are inside an evacuation chamber, which is then evacuated. How does this evacuation affect both spring scales, one hanging vertically, one horizontally?
When you come back without trying to be a skitty git, I'll address your points. Clean up your act or ship out.

Oh please, Scepti, you can't go around calling everyone ignorant, naive, and stupid and then get all in a huff when someone is flippant in return. It really does nothing but make you look the spoiled child.

Very appropriate. Now, answer the question or admit you have no answer. I mean, we all know you have no answer, but it's nice to be formal about these things.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Denpressure fails again.
« on: April 10, 2014, 08:38:03 AM »
Playing along with the troll, for a moment, Scepti, if all elements attempt to find their place, if I dig a hole, and I find a tuber while digging, and I put it at the bottom of the hole after digging, deeper than where I found it, why does the tuber not rise to the level I found it at? Why does the natural state of all things seem to be at the bottom, regardless of its weight/ density/ whatever?

I also have a small experiment for you to weigh in on (pun unavoidable). I have two spring scales. One hangs vertically, the other horizontally. Attached to both are identical cables whose weight is known. The cable hangs over a simple pulley with no notable resistance, so that the end of the cable hangs down.  In both cases, two object of identical shape and weight are hung from each scale, and show the same weight.

Both weights and scales are inside an evacuation chamber, which is then evacuated. How does this evacuation affect both spring scales, one hanging vertically, one horizontally?

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So, ignoring the long running troll fest, a question-

Why is air pushed up by the UA and no other form of matter, such as anything touching the air?

If you stand on some train tracks and there is a train coming at you, I'm pretty sure you the air won't make you move while the train is on its way.

No, but by the same token, the Train is not pushing Air towards me, it's shoving it aside. If the air in front of the train was being pushed directly at me with the same force as the speeding train, it would be an extension of the speeding train as far as its force went.

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So, ignoring the long running troll fest, a question-

Why is air pushed up by the UA and no other form of matter, such as anything touching the air?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Sun's Apparent Size DOES change!
« on: March 27, 2014, 08:56:52 AM »
I started this thread to point out yet ANOTHER similarity with the moon and sun.  I wasn't referring to it on a daily basis.  If anything, we can compare the similarities over a month instead of a year.  I'm telling you, they are the same thing.  I think the moon creates the light energy we see as the sun.

They are not the same thing in the slightest, and you've got your cause and effect backwards. It is the sun that radiates the energy that is absorbed and reradiated by the moon to produce the light we see coming from the moon.

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scepti - If I weigh an object 20 width x 20 length x 20 height cm on some scales there will be pressure on 5 sides, a total of 2000 sqmm.

Another object of same material, 40 width x 40 length x 5 height cm, pressure on 5 sides, a total of 2600 sqmm.

The scale pan is flat and 50 x 50 cm.

So the weight will be different?
If it's exactly the same material then of course it will be different.
Both objects are 8000 cu mm.
My mistake, I didn't get the calculator out, I just saw 2,600 and 2000 and made an assumption, wrongly. They would be the same. I'll make a point next time in watching out for your attempts at duping, as I rarely take much notice of you in reality, you just sort of slip in like a pick pocket, then runaway waiting for me to realise my wallet has been nicked.
Do you see what I'm trying to say to you?

Yes, that you blather on and on without taking notice of what people actually say to you. Or what you're saying. Or what your statements imply.

Basically, you're saying you talk a lot and both say nothing, but also hear nothing as well.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Amazing artwork Etched Into Earth.
« on: January 13, 2014, 03:49:43 PM »
Human eyeball is actually a sphere this is why an illusion of curve appears. But I have been on many flights no curvature observed.

If the Airplane window or the human eye were at the root cause of an illusion of curvature, such illusion would be visible regardless of altitude. It is not.

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The solution to this problem depends on whether or not we consider the coefficient of friction between the floor of the bus and the kid to be zero (as he's on a skateboard).  There's be no horizontally applied external forces.

If that was theoretically the case, then the only force acting on the kid would be a vertical force due to gravity.  The kid's body would resist moving because of inertia, and therefore crash into the back of the bus at around 20 mph.
There is no such thing in reality as gravity or inertia and I swear on that. It's bogus.

There are absolutely such things in reality as gravity and inertia, and I swear on that. They're valid.

See, I can make promises and assertions too!

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The larger sphere has a greater surface area. More surface area means more air to push down on. This means that air is exerting more overall pressure to the larger sphere, even if the two objects are at the same altitude.


Atmospheric air pressure exerts a force equal at, and perpendicular to, every point on the sphere's surface.  The air pressure exerted on both sphere's is identical, that is 1 atm =101,325 Pa (in the metric system).

I was operating under Scepti's atmospheric pressure handwavium where it somehow is not, for sake of argument. I should have specified that.

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Sceptipoo, a question- I have two Steel balls. One is solid and half a meter in diameter. One is hollow and one meter in diameter. The hollow one is completely airtight, and has a 1 centimeter thick outer shell.

Which of these two steel balls takes more effort to get moving?
The solid half a metre ball would take a lot more energy to get it into motion than the larger airtight ball due to it having more density against the ground.

Why would it have more 'density against the ground' since under your model, it is air pressure from above that pushes objects towards the ground. Why would the object with the smaller surface area have the greater Air Pressure pushing on it?
Who said it had greater air pressure pushing on it?

The larger sphere has a greater surface area. More surface area means more air to push down on. This means that air is exerting more overall pressure to the larger sphere, even if the two objects are at the same altitude.

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Sceptipoo, a question- I have two Steel balls. One is solid and half a meter in diameter. One is hollow and one meter in diameter. The hollow one is completely airtight, and has a 1 centimeter thick outer shell.

Which of these two steel balls takes more effort to get moving?
The solid half a metre ball would take a lot more energy to get it into motion than the larger airtight ball due to it having more density against the ground.

Why would it have more 'density against the ground' since under your model, it is air pressure from above that pushes objects towards the ground. Why would the object with the smaller surface area have the greater Air Pressure pushing on it?

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Sceptipoo, a question- I have two Steel balls. One is solid and half a meter in diameter. One is hollow and one meter in diameter. The hollow one is completely airtight, and has a 1 centimeter thick outer shell.

Which of these two steel balls takes more effort to get moving?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Infinite earth model 5D earth
« on: December 30, 2013, 06:34:57 AM »
It is very obvious that a standard disk shaped flat earth map does not work. We also know that round earth global map does work accurately.

Yes it does, as you admit two sentences ahead.

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That is precisely because earth is 5D. So although it appears like a globe and can be mapped like a globe, it is still not a globe.

Put another way "Even though the globe actually works, it's not one because I don't want it to be."

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Human experience upon the earth clearly shows that earth is infect not a globe.

Contrarywise, our experience clearly shows it is.

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Rowbotham proved it its not spherical, however spherical modes does work for navigation and other things.

Rowbotham claimed a result of experiment, the results of which were shown to be opposite of his claims by parties performing the same experiment.

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So this brings me to a conclusive point. To imagine infinite earth we actually must imagine infinite number of globes with different continents of course. This was also suggested in the book called Worlds Beyond the Poles by Amadeo Giannini. The earth however is still flat but its 5D aspect makes it illusionary global.

So... why should we imagine an infinite earth in the first place?

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Flat Earth General / Re: If so called gravity is weaker...
« on: December 28, 2013, 08:39:57 PM »
And which ballistic object do you know that's escaped the atmosphere?
Do you people actually have this stuff IMPLANTED into your minds from birth from a chip or something?
Surely you can't read up on it and just accept it all, there must be drugs involved in some fashion, or like I said, some kind of micro chip implanted into your skull that interferes with your brains ability to use rational thought.
I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING!!!!!!!!  HILARIOUS!
All this rocket crap makes sense to these guys because they are naïve believers.  Astrophysicists can make it all up because the rockets don't REALLY leave our atmosphere.

Listen, Earthy, Baby, Scepti's Sockpuppet. Just because we disagree with you and Sceptic doesn't make us naive. It makes us people who disagree with you. Many of us understand the physical principles involved. You don't, which is why you you attempt to insult and belittle us. It props up your fragile ego and acts a smokescreen for your complete lack of understanding of anything we are talking about.

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Does that mean you have to give the tip to Jesus? Or Jesus is giving you a tip? Or only Jesus will be tipped?

A tip in the name of Jesus

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Flat Earth General / Re: Answer this.
« on: December 16, 2013, 05:33:21 PM »
They are not hiding a flat earth. Per the earth's shape, they are simply mistaken.

Tom is a false flag. His account has been hacked by NSA. There is a flat earth conspiracy and they will kill you if you try to find out. I was followed home last night and I just joined a few days ago.

The only Flat earth conspiracy is people determined to prove that the earth is flat.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Global earth V concave earth.
« on: December 09, 2013, 07:37:13 AM »
You really shouldn't mention FACTS like what you're actually saying is FACT, because that's not exactly correct, is it?[/quote]

No, what I'm saying is fact. And hell, my hypothesis about your revulsion to them is looking supported. Look at the reaction I got!

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Your FACTS are based on books, not direct visual sighting or direct measurement of anything done by yourself.

From direct personal experience, I can say rivers run to the Ocean on both east and west coasts of north and south Americas and in Europe. From documentary evidence, I can say the same about Africa, asia, Australia, and the pacific islands.

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About your gravity and spherical earth.
The simple and easy answer, is, the water would run off, just as it would if you poured it on a football.

Water runs off of a football because there is a stronger attractive force pulling it away. When this force is negated, water does not flow downwards, but gathers up in a blob.
#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Wringing out Water on the ISS - for Science!

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Your gravity is laughable. It does not exist.

It does. It's responsible for objects falling towards earth, not your Platonic elemental sorting gibber jabber.

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I mean, your supposed moons gravity pulls at the oceans and yet your so called earth gravity pulls everything into the centre....I mean...what?
It's so senseless, it's beyond all reason and the most basic logic and common sense.

No, two massive bodies near each other attract each other, and all smaller bodies around them. That's not beyond all reason, that's verified through math and experimentation.

Really, Scepti, more and more, your only rebuttal to modern physics is that it's "laughable" or "beyond reason," with no actual argument, so everyone can see what you really mean when you say that is "I don't understand it, therefore it cannot be true."

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Conflicting rate of curvature?
« on: December 08, 2013, 08:49:42 PM »
There have been countless, Sixstring.

None of them are on the scale you think of, because there's no structure with a singular component long enough and also inflexible enough to require being machined to the curvature of the earth.

But there are quite a number of structures that require the curvature to function.

They whiz over us all the time. Wouldn't work without the curvature, you see.

But for a terrestrial example, the Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge in China, a 102 mile bridge, Bang Na expressway in Thailand, at 34 miles, and the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway in southern Louisiana, which is 23.83 miles entirely over water. All have to take the curvature of the earth into account, not for individual pieces, but for how they join together to form a coherent whole.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Global earth V concave earth.
« on: December 08, 2013, 08:14:05 PM »
But this is just the point. If we can find out about these people, we can maybe put them in order on the map so that it all fits around a concave earth.
The fact that some people in some countries are smaller than other in other parts, tells me that, some live lower down the concave earth and some live higher up.

Here's a few for instances and have a think about it.

The highest above sea level towns.
La Rinconada, Peru, over 16,000 feet above sea level.
Wenquan, China, over 16,000 feet above sea level.
El Aguila, Argentina, over 16,000 feet above sea level.
Colquechaca, Bolivia, over 15,000 feet above sea level.
Ukdungle, India, over 15,000 feet above sea level.


Now, of course you can say, "yes but they are up mountains, etc or whatever.
The point is, the people of these places are at one hell of a high elevation.

If the map was made to cater for where these places are against lower places in whatever parts of the countries, then a  concave map could be made to see if it works out for where these places could be on it, as opposed to the nonsensical globe.

It's one trillion percent not a globe, so this stuff should be looked at, which I am trying to.

These towns are all in the centers of continents, your theory is based on an morphological pattern you ASSUME should happen with no evidence, the world is a globe, and you're not actually trying to look at anything. Facts are anathema to you.

You also did not explain how gravity and a spherical earth prevent the water cycle from happening, or why water must flow into space on a round earth.

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Flat Earth General / Re: AQ
« on: December 08, 2013, 01:41:37 PM »
It could only flow downhill to the sea on certain areas and I'm being kind in saying that, because in reality, the sea would not exist on a globe, because not only would it flow down hill, it would flow off into your space.

But you do not say why, not giving mechanisms. Under my understanding of my gravity and my space, water always flows downhill. Away from space.

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If your gravity stops water flowing off into space, it would also stop it flowing altogether, you can't have it both ways.

Yes I can. Water flows 'down,' down is away from space, water flows downhill, towards the lowest point, away from space. Various pressures and procedures keep the water rising to land  liquid and gaseous forms and keep the water cycle going.

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Because lots of things have changed since the early times.
The food was the fat of that land and the genetics were of that land.
It's all mixed, today, where people have acclimatised from other parts and bred into the various areas.

Food today is a mixture of imports from every part of the circle of land masses.

Please, be specific. What do you mean by 'early times?' 300 years ago? 1000 years ago?
Ok, just to give you a quick and easy thought. Look at Thailand, Japanese, Chinese, etc...Years ago they were all basically tiny framed, but now, with more modern foods, shelter and drugs...you know what I mean, so let's not start pretending you don't.

This is what I'm talking about, so how about switching your head on instead of making out you can't grasp what I'm talking about.

And years ago, French and British and Spanish and Arabic and Nordic people were all basically tiny framed, but with modern foods, shelter, and drugs, they are now larger.

Also, by your logic, inland Chinese should be taller and thinner than shorter and stockier Coastal Chinese. An examination of their history does not bear this out.

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Flat Earth General / AQ
« on: December 07, 2013, 05:59:12 PM »
It could only flow downhill to the sea on certain areas and I'm being kind in saying that, because in reality, the sea would not exist on a globe, because not only would it flow down hill, it would flow off into your space.

But you do not say why, not giving mechanisms. Under my understanding of my gravity and my space, water always flows downhill. Away from space.

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If your gravity stops water flowing off into space, it would also stop it flowing altogether, you can't have it both ways.

Yes I can. Water flows 'down,' down is away from space, water flows downhill, towards the lowest point, away from space. Various pressures and procedures keep the water rising to land  liquid and gaseous forms and keep the water cycle going.

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Because lots of things have changed since the early times.
The food was the fat of that land and the genetics were of that land.
It's all mixed, today, where people have acclimatised from other parts and bred into the various areas.

Food today is a mixture of imports from every part of the circle of land masses.

Please, be specific. What do you mean by 'early times?' 300 years ago? 1000 years ago?

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