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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why did God create Atheists?

« on: August 20, 2009, 01:05:29 PM »

He wants you to recognize that this ordered and structured and clearly designed universe in which we live was created by something better than you without holding your hand and telling you.

So what created the ordered, structured and clearly designed Creator? For any creator capable of designing the Universe must be at least equally as complex.

Man created God as a way to get out of trouble.  "Why did you do that?"  "God told me to."  God is as complex as FET because we had to continue to add more outlandish attributes to him to explain away our bad reasoning.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Okay. I want pictures of this ice wall.

« on: August 20, 2009, 12:33:02 PM »

I think the biggest irony is that some guy hundreds of years ago, named Galileo, went out of his way to disprove a flat earth. And he used better scientific examples than these guys.

And then the catholic church placed him under arrest for heresy. 

BTW, Gallileo wasn't arrested for saying that the Earth is round (everybody knew that already).  He was arrested for saying that the Earth went around the sun.

Galileo was found "vehemently suspect of heresy," namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions.[92]

Sorry, my bad.  Turns out the greeks proved the Earth round circa 4th c. BCE, which became universal knowledge (the eurocentric "universal").  but then Christians denied it and destroyed as much earlier enlightened knowledge as they could, hence the "Dark Ages".  Unfortunately, some would prefer that the dark ages continued on forever...

But I do wonder about my question: Is there anyone who actual believes this drivel that has no religious motivations? there is probably a thread on it, guess i'll do some searching...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Okay. I want pictures of this ice wall.

« on: August 19, 2009, 11:49:08 PM »

Just because we do not know what causes gravity, doesn't mean it's not there. We can
observe its effect.

When I was a kid I could observe the effect of a Tooth Fairy and a Santa Clause. "Gravity" is just a theory, no more than that.

A scientific theory can be thought of as a model of reality, and its statements as axioms of some axiomatic system. The aim of this construction is to create a formal system for which reality is the only model. The world is an interpretation (or model) of such scientific theories

in other words, unlike in the humanities where theories are all in your head and have little bearing on life, in science there is little difference between a theory and a law.  the difference being that a theory has yet to be proven.  However, take a theory like gravity, it's relatively simple to understand and it is easily observable, it is the best explanation for an actual phenomenon.  Most importantly, it is described in a way that is testable, so it will always remain a theory until a scientist (amateur or professional) demonstrates through scientific experimentation--in a method that other scientists can repeat-- that it is not true or that some other explanation is simpler or better.  There are competing scientific theories in some areas but so far i havent found any competing scientific theories in these threads.

the problem here is that many of the defenders of FE are making arguments based on redefining words or outright denial of clear facts.  How can there be an honest discussion?  The belief in FE is absolutely dogmatic and having a debate between dogma and science is most likely futile. 

I should probably post this q elsewhere or search more, but is there seriously any non-religious FEers? Ones that dont also subscribe to even more insane ideas like Dickian false reality, etc? 

BTW, the CONSPIRACY is a bad idea, it doesnt help prove any point nor help people take any of this seriously.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Okay. I want pictures of this ice wall.

« on: August 19, 2009, 11:04:51 PM »

I think the biggest irony is that some guy hundreds of years ago, named Galileo, went out of his way to disprove a flat earth. And he used better scientific examples than these guys.

And then the catholic church placed him under arrest for heresy.  Perhaps this explains all the good logic in the thread.

P1: we know the earth is flat.
P2: the catholic church says the earth is flat.
C: the catholic church is god.